Girls wear certain clothes when they are looking

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This is not about your opinion, it's how you're slandering women BECAUSE of your opinion. You can have it and still be decent to people.

No. Not women. Certain women. This is not a gender issue, as I have mentioned men aswell. I have not been indecent to anyone, I have just said what I personally do not like about certain things. As have you. When can you accept that everyone can have an opinion and not just you?

lol okay so according to you SOME women deserve your insults

@obeseandsassy
I thought so too, like, how?!

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lol okay so according to you SOME women deserve your insults

@obeseandsassy
I thought so too, like, how?!

You're allowed to insult people when you see fit, though, as we have seen here.

Yeah, I am a troll. Good on you for finding me out.

This thread is a joke, I'm not surprised these forums have a bad name.

I only called you ignorant to this subject, which means you don't know about it or understand it.

You're not a troll, you're just so clueless to the feminist issues surrounding sexuality that you don't even know what you're saying.

Just to clarify on my past comments, I feel the same way about men as I do about women acting like *kitten*. It applies to both sexes. This thread is specifically talking about women, which is why I highlighted that.

The fact that I come onto a thread to give my opinion and end with being called ugly, need to get laid etc by people that are saying they don't judge is funny, though. I give up commenting on this site, you're like a clique of *****y hens that can't help but pick someone apart if they're not like you. You are acting exactly like what you claim to hate.

Promises, promises.

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Uh, did I say it's solely about women sleeping around? No, I said it has a lot to do with women's sexuality.

You're absolutely ridiculous when you attempt to argue. I'm not twisting ****, lady. You are.

If you say so, but I'm pretty sure the majority of sane women in this world didn't see women putting their lives on the line for us to have a better life as a reason to sleep with as many men as possible.

I can't even do anything but laugh at this.

Laugh as much as you want. You're only making yourself look bad by replying with stupid comments about how everyone else is wrong, but you must be ultimately right. Grow up.

Pretty sure I'm not. This is not about being right or wrong. This is about you treating women who choose to sleep with a lot of people like they are inferior because of their decisions. You may not agree with their habits, which I think is fine, but you can't just slander women for choosing to have an opinion and behaviors that YOU don't agree with.

You have to be the biggest hypocrite on this thread!! your giving out about slander but yet YOUR slandering Emma just because she has a different opinion to you , typical feminist attitude!!

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Uh, did I say it's solely about women sleeping around? No, I said it has a lot to do with women's sexuality.

You're absolutely ridiculous when you attempt to argue. I'm not twisting ****, lady. You are.

If you say so, but I'm pretty sure the majority of sane women in this world didn't see women putting their lives on the line for us to have a better life as a reason to sleep with as many men as possible.

I can't even do anything but laugh at this.

Laugh as much as you want. You're only making yourself look bad by replying with stupid comments about how everyone else is wrong, but you must be ultimately right. Grow up.

Pretty sure I'm not. This is not about being right or wrong. This is about you treating women who choose to sleep with a lot of people like they are inferior because of their decisions. You may not agree with their habits, which I think is fine, but you can't just slander women for choosing to have an opinion and behaviors that YOU don't agree with.

You have to be the biggest hypocrite on this thread!! your giving out about slander but yet YOUR slandering Emma just because she has a different opinion to you , typical feminist attitude!!

hahaha I'm slandering because I don't want her to treat promiscuous women like they are lesser beings? that's rich.

I love when people make their message board debuts just to defend a user who is usually saying something stupid...doesn't seem suspicious at all!

Re: the OP's original comment - I think there is definitely some truth to what the comedienne said. Does it apply to ALL women at ALL times? No, of course not.

But for me personally, when I want to look good, I shave my legs and wear heels.

OP responded earlier and noted that how she interpreted the discussion (forgive me, can't remember the page to quote OP directly) was that women were trying to get sexual attention when they dressed a certain way.

How did this snowball from the topic of 'women dress for sexual attraction' to posts about rape and *kitten*?! It started out as a pretty good debate and has a resulted in some pretty nasty assumptions, mud-slinging and OPINION bashing. Between this and 1 other thread where the OP was slamming people who like to treat themselves ... it's pretty depressing.

I respect the OPs interpretation of the conversation. It's not how I would have interpreted it, but that's ok. Ruby Wax (for those who don't know) is actually a fully qualified psychologist. I'm sure there are psychologists out there that would disagree with some of her views, but much of psychology is primal behaviour.

Doesn't matter which way the wind blows - women, men, animals - all feel good when they are considered sexually attractive.

Doesn't matter which way the tide turns - no woman deserves to be called a *kitten* and no woman has ever asked nor deserved to be raped

Ha I LOVE RUBY WAX. She's hilarious. But I do tend to agree with her about people wanting attention. I dress in certain clothes to feel good about myself and I LOVE getting complimented! I think it was slightly extreme and like you said about not having much information about what clothes she was referring to makes it difficult to pass too detailed a comment on but I know that I personally dress to look good (unless I'm working out).

The funniest thing from all of this is, I said I hate women who are *kitten*. Never said it directly to anyone of you.

Yet you all jump in to defend yourselves from being one??

Wow. That's all I will say.

Maybe you mistook our pride with defence.

I love her!

I agree that school age girls and those in their 20s wear revealing clothes for the attention, not that they are asking for sex, excluding those on holiday in places like Ibiza lol.

This family on holiday in Ibiza are just asking for sex.

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The funniest thing from all of this is, I said I hate women who are *kitten*. Never said it directly to anyone of you.

Yet you all jump in to defend yourselves from being one??

Wow. That's all I will say.

Maybe you mistook our pride with defence.

Well, you said it not me.

Looking back on this thread, I am sad to know such *****y, childish women exist. If you want to take pride in sleeping around, its all cool. Have fun with your unfulfilling life, where the only joy you have is needing a man to sexually make you feel important.

That's a lot of anger and judgement you have there!

I think it is certainly true that both women and men sometimes dress in a way which, consciously or unconsciously, signals sexual availability or openess However that does not mean to say they wish to attract indiscriminate sexual attention or says anything whatsoever about their moral code.Those assumptions are truly ridiculous.

[:flowerforyou: Yes! And even if they do wish to attract sexual attention, I'm not sure why that's such a bad thing.

Sexual attention is not a bad thing as such. I just don't perceive that men or women wanted to be hassled because of it.

This is a classic example of society feeling threatened by an overt display of female power. Female sexuality is fiercely kept in check by moral censure as it simply won't do to have women showing themselves to possess power.

Consider the following scenario:

A man is in a supermarket. He is well groomed and wearing an exquisitely tailored suit. He is holding the keys to his Aston Martin nonchalantly in his hands. How do most people perceive him? Positively I would suspect.

Flip it round to a woman. She is wearing a figure hugging dress. Her styling and make up is immaculate. She is showing a little cleavage. How do people perceive her? Generally negatively I believe "Why is she wearing that to go shopping? What a slut!"

Both displays of power.

Both viewed differently.

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Uh, did I say it's solely about women sleeping around? No, I said it has a lot to do with women's sexuality.

You're absolutely ridiculous when you attempt to argue. I'm not twisting ****, lady. You are.

If you say so, but I'm pretty sure the majority of sane women in this world didn't see women putting their lives on the line for us to have a better life as a reason to sleep with as many men as possible.

I can't even do anything but laugh at this.

Laugh as much as you want. You're only making yourself look bad by replying with stupid comments about how everyone else is wrong, but you must be ultimately right. Grow up.

Pretty sure I'm not. This is not about being right or wrong. This is about you treating women who choose to sleep with a lot of people like they are inferior because of their decisions. You may not agree with their habits, which I think is fine, but you can't just slander women for choosing to have an opinion and behaviors that YOU don't agree with.

You have to be the biggest hypocrite on this thread!! your giving out about slander but yet YOUR slandering Emma just because she has a different opinion to you , typical feminist attitude!!

hahaha I'm slandering because I don't want her to treat promiscuous women like they are lesser beings? that's rich.

I love when people make their message board debuts just to defend a user who is usually saying something stupid...doesn't seem suspicious at all!

hahahaha suspicious?? There is 7 billion people on the planet and just because someone doesn't agree with you, you think its some kinda of conspiracy it real is true what people say about Americans must be something in the drinking water over there!

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I may or may not shave my legs when I go out... I'm not the type to take someone home the first time I meet them so it tends to be outfit dependent anyway. Too much trouble to do it every day and my hair doesn't grow that fast.

I rarely wear high heels.

But I do tend to try to dress in an outfit that makes me feel Sexy when I'm out and hope to meet a guy. If I'm going out with my friends I may want to look good but would be okay if the out fit was more cute than sexy.

And when I go out dressed like I am in my profile picture I expect comments, cat calls, but don't intend to really truly consider anyone I meet dressed like that...all they can see is boobs anyway.

That said, dressed Sexy, cute, or like my profile picture, I reserve the right to set straight anyone who sees the way I'm dressed as an invitation to touch anything they aren't invited to touch...

No one is implying (at least I am not) that if you dress sexy, other people have a right to touch you inappropriately. I don't care if you walk down the street buck a** naked. If someone touches you in a wrong way, or worse, they belong in jail.

I don't think anyone was either. To me I find it interesting that there are women saying they will dress in a way that tends to make people make comments (either to her or themselves) but get may when they say something. I've had women dress very sexy and then get mad at a compliment (one that wasn't even on the scale of offensive.)

I think what I was trying to say is that there is a line between acceptable behavior and freedom. Yes, I have the right to dress in my corset and have half my boobs hanging out so long as I'm within the nudity laws of the area I'm in, and someone has the right to talk about it, make cat calls, even call me certain names. Their right ends when it comes to unwanted touching. But as a female who normally dresses highly conservative due to the jobs I work, I have no problem reminding anyone, male or female that it's not okay to touch if not invited...

But yes, I do think if a woman is going out to hunt for a guy she will dress in a way she feels will attract the kind of guy she is looking for. I also think this doesn't mean that every woman wearing what I would wear is looking for a guy. And I think that we have taken the first statement, turned it into the second and then moved from that to interpretting it as someone saying a girl was asking to be raped if she wore that type of clothing, which I don't think was meant by the initial statements.