I'm tired, cranky now I read Kate Upton is fat?!

Well models should also represent health while they're at it. Nothing wrong with fantasy models, just not enough average ones out there. Everywhere you turn you see size 0 models. No wonder girls who are Kate's size think they're fat..

Models are not making a public service announcement. They are selling ****.

You seem to have a rather shocking lack of understanding of how the media influences individuals. Wow. Just oh wow!

The media influences individuals who can't wrap their heads around that fact that it's a fantasy. That's my whole point. Let the fantasy be the fantasy that it is. Don't conflate it with reality and get all bent out of shape because the two don't measure up. They aren't supposed to. That's why it sells. You're the one who doesn't seem to understand.

maybe YOU dont understand that not everyone's fantasy is what YOU think it is.

She really doesn't, and that's because she's subscribing to the same fantasy prototype woman that has been drilled into our retinas by modern media. Fancy that.

Also there are different types of models for different audiences/purposes - runway models, haute couture, editorial, catalogue, plus size, alternative, glamour/men's mag models. The faces and bodies of these models correspond to whatever category their look is appropriate for (unless they hit supermodel status). Kate's look caters to editorial/men's magazines. That's why she is always shown in bikinis about 3 sizes too small for her (which doesn't REALLY flatter her body, but guys don't notice that because boobs) Her face and body is meant to sell to this demographic, and that it does.

She's not fat, but I do find her weight average and that's not good enough for a model.

We need more average models. These really thin, airbrushed ones we have are the reason why so many girls have eating disorders.

What do we need average models for? We have average people everywhere. Models are supposed to represent a FANTASY. We can't handle the fact that we aren't perfect so we have to make art that's mediocre? C'mon.

My fantasy in no way resembles a stick figure, so please dont generalize. And to the person that says "she doesnt work out,,lazy etc" Boo on you, you're wrong. She does work out AND she makes NO apologies for the figure GOD gave her. Im sorry Ive seen stick figures with more cellulite SO>>> she looks healthy to me. Not Body Builder healthy, but healthy. WHATS WRONG WITH HER BODY? Nothing. END OF STORY. Good bye

Good-looking or plastic-looking?

definitely good looking....thats why so many songs are written about California girls.

fine...fresh..fierce...

When I saw her on the cover of sports illustrated, I was like, "Wow; they put a plus size model on the cover. That's progressive." She's not "fat" for a person walking on the street, but she certainly has at least 2 times the body fat of a standard model. Why does she get paid for that? I think models should have to work for it... Their job is to look good... That's all they have to do. And she doesn't bother to work out? That's just lazy.

please tell me you're not serious...

Please? Pretty please?

She's not fat, but I do find her weight average and that's not good enough for a model.

We need more average models. These really thin, airbrushed ones we have are the reason why so many girls have eating disorders.

What do we need average models for? We have average people everywhere. Models are supposed to represent a FANTASY. We can't handle the fact that we aren't perfect so we have to make art that's mediocre? C'mon.

Fashion models are NOT meant to be a fantasy. They are meant to present the clothing in an appealing way to the public. The reason that models are generally thin is because they are displaying the "demo version" of the clothing. Designers want to spend as little as possible on the demo as a means to keep costs low. So the "demo version" of the clothing is made in the smallest size possible. For the most part, this cost is minimal, but since employing this practice, society has embraced this rail-thin model as some ideal for beauty and have put this ideal on a pedestal.

Pinup models are meant to be a fantasy and generally carry a larger percentage of body fat than a fashion model.


To each their own. If you feel like the fashion model ideal is right for you, then I wish you luck at it. But that doesn't mean the models with a higher percentage of body fat are lazy or are not beautiful or ideal. Your opinions border dangerously on the line of body-shaming and I think you should reevaluate your opinions because you sound ignorant.

*standing ovation* Thank you. Just.... thank you. :flowerforyou:

She's not fat, but I do find her weight average and that's not good enough for a model.

We need more average models. These really thin, airbrushed ones we have are the reason why so many girls have eating disorders.

What do we need average models for? We have average people everywhere. Models are supposed to represent a FANTASY. We can't handle the fact that we aren't perfect so we have to make art that's mediocre? C'mon.

Fashion models are NOT meant to be a fantasy. They are meant to present the clothing in an appealing way to the public. The reason that models are generally thin is because they are displaying the "demo version" of the clothing. Designers want to spend as little as possible on the demo as a means to keep costs low. So the "demo version" of the clothing is made in the smallest size possible. For the most part, this cost is minimal, but since employing this practice, society has embraced this rail-thin model as some ideal for beauty and have put this ideal on a pedestal.

Pinup models are meant to be a fantasy and generally carry a larger percentage of body fat than a fashion model.


To each their own. If you feel like the fashion model ideal is right for you, then I wish you luck at it. But that doesn't mean the models with a higher percentage of body fat are lazy or are not beautiful or ideal. Your opinions border dangerously on the line of body-shaming and I think you should reevaluate your opinions because you sound ignorant.

*standing ovation* Thank you. Just.... thank you. :flowerforyou:

Everyone who is calling me ignorant and body shaming... etc. I didn't say this is MY ideal or MY fantasy, or that it's right or wrong or even express MY opinion about what's right or wrong or how things should be. I just gave an honest appraisal of how the media actually works and how it uses bodies and body image to sell products. Your opinions and my opinions about how the media should be don't change how it is or what actually sells products, so please stop with the personal attacks. Thanks.

Everyone who is calling me ignorant and body shaming... etc. I didn't say this is MY ideal or MY fantasy, or that it's right or wrong or even express MY opinion about what's right or wrong or how things should be. I just gave an honest appraisal of how the media actually works and how it uses bodies and body image to sell products. Your opinions and my opinions about how the media should be don't change how it is or what actually sells products, so please stop with the personal attacks. Thanks.

What exactly about this statement were you not expressing your opinion about Kate Upton's body and character based on the percentage of body fat? Where exactly did you reference "media's" opinions on the matter? I've bolded the most ignorant parts of the statement for you.

When I saw her on the cover of sports illustrated, I was like, "Wow; they put a plus size model on the cover. That's progressive." She's not "fat" for a person walking on the street, but she certainly has at least 2 times the body fat of a standard model. Why does she get paid for that? I think models should have to work for it... Their job is to look good... That's all they have to do. And she doesn't bother to work out? That's just lazy.

She gets paid because she is gorgeous and people want to see her. Why would you think she doesn't work just as hard as any other model? Looking good is not all that they have to do as a model. Why would her percentage of body fat cause you to presume that she doesn't work out and is lazy?

Not once in this statement did you make any claim to representing the opinions of public media. Here's a clue... if public media felt like you do about Kate Upton... then she wouldn't have a career for us to acknowledge and we wouldn't be discussing this now.

She's not fat, but I do find her weight average and that's not good enough for a model.

We need more average models. These really thin, airbrushed ones we have are the reason why so many girls have eating disorders.

What do we need average models for? We have average people everywhere. Models are supposed to represent a FANTASY. We can't handle the fact that we aren't perfect so we have to make art that's mediocre? C'mon.

Fashion models are NOT meant to be a fantasy. They are meant to present the clothing in an appealing way to the public. The reason that models are generally thin is because they are displaying the "demo version" of the clothing. Designers want to spend as little as possible on the demo as a means to keep costs low. So the "demo version" of the clothing is made in the smallest size possible. For the most part, this cost is minimal, but since employing this practice, society has embraced this rail-thin model as some ideal for beauty and have put this ideal on a pedestal.

Pinup models are meant to be a fantasy and generally carry a larger percentage of body fat than a fashion model.


To each their own. If you feel like the fashion model ideal is right for you, then I wish you luck at it. But that doesn't mean the models with a higher percentage of body fat are lazy or are not beautiful or ideal. Your opinions border dangerously on the line of body-shaming and I think you should reevaluate your opinions because you sound ignorant.

*standing ovation* Thank you. Just.... thank you. :flowerforyou:

Everyone who is calling me ignorant and body shaming... etc. I didn't say this is MY ideal or MY fantasy, or that it's right or wrong or even express MY opinion about what's right or wrong or how things should be. I just gave an honest appraisal of how the media actually works and how it uses bodies and body image to sell products. Your opinions and my opinions about how the media should be don't change how it is or what actually sells products, so please stop with the personal attacks. Thanks.

Nope, sorry...

...I'm unpersuaded by your current argument...

...mostly because it seems to have no connection to your original statement.

Well models should also represent health while they're at it. Nothing wrong with fantasy models, just not enough average ones out there. Everywhere you turn you see size 0 models. No wonder girls who are Kate's size think they're fat..

Models are not making a public service announcement. They are selling ****.

You seem to have a rather shocking lack of understanding of how the media influences individuals. Wow. Just oh wow!

The media influences individuals who can't wrap their heads around that fact that it's a fantasy. That's my whole point. Let the fantasy be the fantasy that it is. Don't conflate it with reality and get all bent out of shape because the two don't measure up. They aren't supposed to. That's why it sells. You're the one who doesn't seem to understand.

maybe YOU dont understand that not everyone's fantasy is what YOU think it is.

^ This and "the individulas who can't wrap their heads that it's fantasy" are usually adolescent girls and it can be damaging to fragile self esteem.

Sigh. You would need to read through the entire thread to see the subsequent statements I made to get the full version of what I said about the media and the fashion industry apart from Kate Upton specifically... I was responding to other generalizations people were making about models.. .and my responses on that topic were not as opinion based as my assessment of Kate Upton.

I could honestly care less what other statements you made about the media because the fact of the matter is that you aren't a representative of the entire whole of media. As I said, fashion models are fashion models and pinups are pinups. The last time I checked, Sports Illustrated was not a fashion magazine, but you clearly stated your shock and dismay that they selected her for the cover because she does not conform to your ideal, and you made the rather egregerious assumption that she doesn't work out.

Short of stating that you are matter-of-factly wrong, there really isn't anything you can say to dig yourself out of that hole!

She's not fat, but I do find her weight average and that's not good enough for a model.

We need more average models. These really thin, airbrushed ones we have are the reason why so many girls have eating disorders.

What do we need average models for? We have average people everywhere. Models are supposed to represent a FANTASY. We can't handle the fact that we aren't perfect so we have to make art that's mediocre? C'mon.

Fashion models are NOT meant to be a fantasy. They are meant to present the clothing in an appealing way to the public. The reason that models are generally thin is because they are displaying the "demo version" of the clothing. Designers want to spend as little as possible on the demo as a means to keep costs low. So the "demo version" of the clothing is made in the smallest size possible. For the most part, this cost is minimal, but since employing this practice, society has embraced this rail-thin model as some ideal for beauty and have put this ideal on a pedestal.

Pinup models are meant to be a fantasy and generally carry a larger percentage of body fat than a fashion model.


To each their own. If you feel like the fashion model ideal is right for you, then I wish you luck at it. But that doesn't mean the models with a higher percentage of body fat are lazy or are not beautiful or ideal. Your opinions border dangerously on the line of body-shaming and I think you should reevaluate your opinions because you sound ignorant.

*standing ovation* Thank you. Just.... thank you. :flowerforyou:

Everyone who is calling me ignorant and body shaming... etc. I didn't say this is MY ideal or MY fantasy, or that it's right or wrong or even express MY opinion about what's right or wrong or how things should be. I just gave an honest appraisal of how the media actually works and how it uses bodies and body image to sell products. Your opinions and my opinions about how the media should be don't change how it is or what actually sells products, so please stop with the personal attacks. Thanks.

Nope, sorry...

...I'm unpersuaded by your current argument...

...mostly because it seems to have no connection to your original statement.

So read the rest of my statements, dip****.

No thanks. Your first post in this thread told me all I needed to know.

(However, the post quoted above is providing some additional insight.)

I'm about half her size and I'm disgusting to look at. If someone has decided to call her fat then so be it. She looks great whatever the label.

This made me sad. You shouldn't say you are disgusting to look at.

I agree. I bet you are beautiful.

She's not toned, but she looks fantastic nevertheless. Don't forget that cameras add 10 lbs, so in real life she would still be slimmer than the vast majority of us.

All I can say is.........where are the short models?!!! I will never be considered model worthy, plus size or otherwise! Oh the injustice!It's not my fault I'm veritically challenged! Sigh, my self esteem will never recover from this :sad: :sad: :sad:

I always say that I wasn't overweight, I was undertall!

She's not fat, but I do find her weight average and that's not good enough for a model.

We need more average models. These really thin, airbrushed ones we have are the reason why so many girls have eating disorders.

What do we need average models for? We have average people everywhere. Models are supposed to represent a FANTASY. We can't handle the fact that we aren't perfect so we have to make art that's mediocre? C'mon.

Well models should also represent health while they're at it. Nothing wrong with fantasy models, just not enough average ones out there. Everywhere you turn you see size 0 models. No wonder girls who are Kate's size think they're fat..

I totally agree. We need more average models like we need more average intelligence doctors and physicists. All those smarty pants types giving people of average intelligence low self esteem. It's just not fair.

Oh there are plenty of average intelligence doctors.

Can I just add that intelligence can be quantified while beauty is subjective, and therefore, the analogy of models to doctors is apples to oranges.

Regardless of the objectivity of intelligence (quite open to debate in its own right), thh comparison was simply meant as an observation on the status of the relative importance of intelligence vs. beauty in popular culture. People get seriously worked up about how they look and then spew hate towards models because they apparently set "unrealistic standards of beauty," and yet no one is running around angrily complaining about how Stephen Hawking is setting unreasonable standards of intelligence. It's just an observation on the state of things. One can always lose weight, but adding IQ points is an entirely different matter. I won't discard the importance of beauty, and health is vital, but I truly hope (and strive to help) my girls spend far more time working hard and achieving in school than worrying about how they look. The rest of the time I'm pushing them in athletics.

Kate Upton is beautiful and she certainly isn't fat. It seems though that people go out of their way to catch a model or actress looking less than her best so they can gossip. Pop culture . . . :grumble: