Everyone told me coconut oil was good for me

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  • shannashannabobana
    shannashannabobana Posts: 625 Member
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    Note, I'm saying saturated fat not all fats. I think people aren't understanding that the conversation hasn't been about fats in general, just saturated fat. Most people who are informed about their health are aware that low-fat isn't healthful,
    I disagree. I think people understand this distinction perfectly well, they just don't agree. The same people who told us to eat low fat, and tons of margarine (including what we found out later were REALLY unhealthy trans fats!) were the ones who told us not to eat saturated fat. That turned our really well. Their data was bad then and it's still bad.

    I do agree it's no one's fault if they are trying to follow conventional wisdom coming from the 'experts', but as a good chunk of that advice turned out to be bad, I'm fairly skeptical about it these days. Everyone, as always, can do as they like. If you want to 'fry' your mushrooms in water, have at it. I'll stick with butter.
  • Lovlilyn
    Lovlilyn Posts: 79 Member
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    I'd say most health organizations are pretty adament that you should seriously limit the amount of saturated fat you eat each day.

    I wouldn't say that the apparently misinformed notion that saturated fat is bad for you is a reason to yell at the OP or anyone who was also misinformed. I, myself, am still pretty skeptical and am fairly certain that saturated fat may be necessary for health but only in the smallest (5 g or less/ day) amounts.

    Note, I'm saying saturated fat not all fats. I think people aren't understanding that the conversation hasn't been about fats in general, just saturated fat. Most people who are informed about their health are aware that low-fat isn't healthful, although again I don't think that's something someone can be chewed out for that because it was "common fact" for a long time.

    But that's just me. I don't like implying that people are stupid for not knowing that general health myths are incorrect. Most people are misinformed about nutrition and weight loss. It's a learning process.

    Good point. WebMD has a good article on it, quote: "Neither the American Heart Association (AHA) nor the U.S. government's 2010 Dietary Guidelines suggest that coconut oil is any better or preferable over other saturated fats. Coconut oil, like all saturated fats, should be limited to 7%-10% of calories because it can increase risk for heart disease, according to the AHA and 2010 Dietary Guidelines"

    http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/coconut-oil-and-health

    I'm going with the AHA on its recommendation on saturated fat. And, I don't agree that there's any "good" fat - just because it's vegetable based doesn't mean it's good. The only fat that's good for you is in moderation. Basically, almost everything we eat contains fat, and it's really easy to end up with 30% of your calories coming from fat without even adding 1 tsp of oil or butter. Fat is the one thing that all nutritionists agree on should be used in moderation - they may disagree on carbs, salt, protein, etc., but they all will agree about fats. I am not talking about the low-fat craze that had you replace fat calories with carbs, but just a general 25-30% of your calories from fat for overall health.

    Finally, I am trying to figure out how anyone can eat 60% of their calories from fat and not be starving. I know that fat is satiating, but I have a total of 1300 calories to eat, that's 780 in fat, which only leaves me 520 in real food - that seems like it would be difficult to get in all the nutrients you need for good health, not to mention that I'd be starving.
  • Carnivor0us
    Carnivor0us Posts: 1,752 Member
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    I'd say most health organizations are pretty adament that you should seriously limit the amount of saturated fat you eat each day.

    I wouldn't say that the apparently misinformed notion that saturated fat is bad for you is a reason to yell at the OP or anyone who was also misinformed. I, myself, am still pretty skeptical and am fairly certain that saturated fat may be necessary for health but only in the smallest (5 g or less/ day) amounts.

    Note, I'm saying saturated fat not all fats. I think people aren't understanding that the conversation hasn't been about fats in general, just saturated fat. Most people who are informed about their health are aware that low-fat isn't healthful, although again I don't think that's something someone can be chewed out for that because it was "common fact" for a long time.

    But that's just me. I don't like implying that people are stupid for not knowing that general health myths are incorrect. Most people are misinformed about nutrition and weight loss. It's a learning process.

    Good point. WebMD has a good article on it, quote: "Neither the American Heart Association (AHA) nor the U.S. government's 2010 Dietary Guidelines suggest that coconut oil is any better or preferable over other saturated fats. Coconut oil, like all saturated fats, should be limited to 7%-10% of calories because it can increase risk for heart disease, according to the AHA and 2010 Dietary Guidelines"

    http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/coconut-oil-and-health

    I'm going with the AHA on its recommendation on saturated fat. And, I don't agree that there's any "good" fat - just because it's vegetable based doesn't mean it's good. The only fat that's good for you is in moderation. Basically, almost everything we eat contains fat, and it's really easy to end up with 30% of your calories coming from fat without even adding 1 tsp of oil or butter. Fat is the one thing that all nutritionists agree on should be used in moderation - they may disagree on carbs, salt, protein, etc., but they all will agree about fats. I am not talking about the low-fat craze that had you replace fat calories with carbs, but just a general 25-30% of your calories from fat for overall health.

    Finally, I am trying to figure out how anyone can eat 60% of their calories from fat and not be starving. I know that fat is satiating, but I have a total of 1300 calories to eat, that's 780 in fat, which only leaves me 520 in real food - that seems like it would be difficult to get in all the nutrients you need for good health, not to mention that I'd be starving.

    Fat is 'real food'. I eat 75% fat intake and I'm not starving- because, like you said, fat is satiating. I think the biggest point of contention here is that the OP is insulin resistant, and her doctor is advising her to eat the worst possible macro ratio for that condition.
  • StacyReneO
    StacyReneO Posts: 317 Member
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    So you want to be able to fry your mushrooms with something low fat and low calorie without too many chemicals? May I suggest unicorn oil? You can find it in the magical fantasy aisle of any grocery store. Either make it fit in your macros by dropping something else or give up the notion that your mushrooms *have* to be fried.

    This. And yes everyone told you coconut oil is good for you because it is. You choose to not have good fats in your diet - that doesn't make it bad. Just like I choose not too have too many carbs in my diet, and that means I have to cut out some good stuff like a good amount of fruit - but it doesn't mean fruit is bad. It's like saying sugar is sugar is...but really not all sugar is the same, just as all fats are not the same.
  • Lovlilyn
    Lovlilyn Posts: 79 Member
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    I do agree it's no one's fault if they are trying to follow conventional wisdom coming from the 'experts', but as a good chunk of that advice turned out to be bad, I'm fairly skeptical about it these days. Everyone, as always, can do as they like. If you want to 'fry' your mushrooms in water, have at it. I'll stick with butter.

    The problem wasn't that they were following the conventional wisdom from the experts - it was that they were not. The low-fat recommendation were not to replace fat with sugary-starchy carbs, it was - like basically all healthy diets - to eat lean protein, lots of fruits and vegetables, and whole grains, and get your fat from that food with minimal added fat. It's always the peoples' execution of these recommendations that is at fault. It's like when people say that Atkins is a no-carb or all protein diet. From day one you are advised to eat leafy greens on Atkins, but people are ignorant that lettuce is a carb.
  • RivenV
    RivenV Posts: 1,667 Member
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    I'd say most health organizations are pretty adament that you should seriously limit the amount of saturated fat you eat each day.

    I wouldn't say that the apparently misinformed notion that saturated fat is bad for you is a reason to yell at the OP or anyone who was also misinformed. I, myself, am still pretty skeptical and am fairly certain that saturated fat may be necessary for health but only in the smallest (5 g or less/ day) amounts.

    Note, I'm saying saturated fat not all fats. I think people aren't understanding that the conversation hasn't been about fats in general, just saturated fat. Most people who are informed about their health are aware that low-fat isn't healthful, although again I don't think that's something someone can be chewed out for that because it was "common fact" for a long time.

    But that's just me. I don't like implying that people are stupid for not knowing that general health myths are incorrect. Most people are misinformed about nutrition and weight loss. It's a learning process.

    Good point. WebMD has a good article on it, quote: "Neither the American Heart Association (AHA) nor the U.S. government's 2010 Dietary Guidelines suggest that coconut oil is any better or preferable over other saturated fats. Coconut oil, like all saturated fats, should be limited to 7%-10% of calories because it can increase risk for heart disease, according to the AHA and 2010 Dietary Guidelines"

    http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/coconut-oil-and-health

    I'm going with the AHA on its recommendation on saturated fat. And, I don't agree that there's any "good" fat - just because it's vegetable based doesn't mean it's good. The only fat that's good for you is in moderation. Basically, almost everything we eat contains fat, and it's really easy to end up with 30% of your calories coming from fat without even adding 1 tsp of oil or butter. Fat is the one thing that all nutritionists agree on should be used in moderation - they may disagree on carbs, salt, protein, etc., but they all will agree about fats. I am not talking about the low-fat craze that had you replace fat calories with carbs, but just a general 25-30% of your calories from fat for overall health.

    Finally, I am trying to figure out how anyone can eat 60% of their calories from fat and not be starving. I know that fat is satiating, but I have a total of 1300 calories to eat, that's 780 in fat, which only leaves me 520 in real food - that seems like it would be difficult to get in all the nutrients you need for good health, not to mention that I'd be starving.

    I must have missed something here. First you say that about 25-30% of your diet should be fat for overall health. Then you go on to say that it's not a "real food." Why is fat not a real food if it's a necessary and vital part of your diet, as you yourself have said?
    Additionally, you concede that fat is satiating, but wonder how anyone could feel full with a high fat diet.
    Either I'm confused by what you're saying here or you're confusing what you're trying to say. Thoughts?
  • Carnivor0us
    Carnivor0us Posts: 1,752 Member
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    I do agree it's no one's fault if they are trying to follow conventional wisdom coming from the 'experts', but as a good chunk of that advice turned out to be bad, I'm fairly skeptical about it these days. Everyone, as always, can do as they like. If you want to 'fry' your mushrooms in water, have at it. I'll stick with butter.

    The problem wasn't that they were following the conventional wisdom from the experts - it was that they were not. The low-fat recommendation were not to replace fat with sugary-starchy carbs, it was - like basically all healthy diets - to eat lean protein, lots of fruits and vegetables, and whole grains, and get your fat from that food with minimal added fat. It's always the peoples' execution of these recommendations that is at fault. It's like when people say that Atkins is a no-carb or all protein diet. From day one you are advised to eat leafy greens on Atkins, but people are ignorant that lettuce is a carb.

    Have you looked at the Food Pyramid from the 90s? 6-11 servings of grains and potatoes a DAY. Good GOD.

    The experts told us all to eat like cattle and we did. We replaced fat with grains (starch and sugar) to eat that ****ty low-fat diet.
  • lisabeth36
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    You don't need to add water - and I agree I like mushrooms sauted in butter actually. However I found something that works pretty well - and tasts pretty good - use a little wine :-) I have tried with white and red both - they are both good and have different flavors - sweet vermouth goes good with steak/mushrooms, but it has a higher sugar/calorie count.
  • aproc
    aproc Posts: 1,033 Member
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    Unfortunately there is too much bad advice out there and articles citing how bad fats, especially saturated fats, are for you... Some are actually really good for you (such as what's found in coconut oil) and fat is essential in the diet.. As long as your getting your fat intake from good sources like coconut oil, nuts, fatty fish, avocados, meat, etc and not going overboard then you shouldn't worry too much about it. It's when your getting your dietary fat from processed junk that causes the problems.
  • stealthq
    stealthq Posts: 4,298 Member
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    I do agree it's no one's fault if they are trying to follow conventional wisdom coming from the 'experts', but as a good chunk of that advice turned out to be bad, I'm fairly skeptical about it these days. Everyone, as always, can do as they like. If you want to 'fry' your mushrooms in water, have at it. I'll stick with butter.

    The problem wasn't that they were following the conventional wisdom from the experts - it was that they were not. The low-fat recommendation were not to replace fat with sugary-starchy carbs, it was - like basically all healthy diets - to eat lean protein, lots of fruits and vegetables, and whole grains, and get your fat from that food with minimal added fat. It's always the peoples' execution of these recommendations that is at fault. It's like when people say that Atkins is a no-carb or all protein diet. From day one you are advised to eat leafy greens on Atkins, but people are ignorant that lettuce is a carb.

    I have to disagree here. It was not just replacing fats with carbs that was bad. It was also the stupidly low levels of fats that we were advised to adhere to as well.

    I was on one of those diets - lean protein, whole grains, lots of veggies - for athletics, not even to lose weight. I was not to use any additional fat on anything. No oil for cooking or salad dressings, that sort of thing. No meats except non-oily fish and skinless chicken. Fortunately, I was only on it for 7-8 mos. Unfortunately, I followed it religiously. The end result is that it negatively impacted my digestive system for a long time. Any amount of fat sent me sprinting for the restroom within 30min of eating. It took years for my digestive tract to get back to functioning properly.
  • shannashannabobana
    shannashannabobana Posts: 625 Member
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    The problem wasn't that they were following the conventional wisdom from the experts - it was that they were not. The low-fat recommendation were not to replace fat with sugary-starchy carbs, it was - like basically all healthy diets - to eat lean protein, lots of fruits and vegetables, and whole grains
    What do you think whole grains and fruits and some vegetables are made of??? Carbs. Wheat. You're still subbing in carbs for fat, which was a huge change in our diets that failed miserably as a health measure. We dutifully followed this advice and reduced our fat intake significantly, including subing in stuff like trans fat filled margarine which we now know is just awful but at the time were told was great. If you take out fats you have to replace it with something. It didn't work, it was bad advice and now it's time to re-look at the data, re-evaluate and question it all. Look at that ancel keys study, he basically threw out all the people who ate high fat and had good numbers and then published his data. It was awful science.
  • jennifershoo
    jennifershoo Posts: 3,198 Member
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    I see what everyone here is saying... But saturated fat IS the "bad" fat that everyone should stay away from...you want omega3, and monounsaturated

    No it's not. The only bad fat is the trans fat.
  • jennifershoo
    jennifershoo Posts: 3,198 Member
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    I see what everyone here is saying... But saturated fat IS the "bad" fat that everyone should stay away from...you want omega3, and monounsaturated

    wrong. Hydrogenated saturated fats - trans fats - and saturated fats from corn, soy, as well as from cows fed corn and soy, are the bad fats. Grass fed meat has the perfect Omega 3:6 ratio. Vegetable oils are all very high in omega 6 as well. Fats from whole food sources come in the correct ratios, where manufactured fats as skewed to Omega 6 making them inflammatory eaten alone without an omega 3 supplementation.

    This answer is even better^
  • jogglesngoggles
    jogglesngoggles Posts: 362 Member
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    You need to take the bad stigma away from "fat". SOME fats, like coconut oil are GOOD for you. I drink coconut milk and I eat a lot of nuts. ALL healthy fats, and my cholesterol is in GREAT shape.

    Please research the difference between "good" and "bad" fats, and how they can impact your life. And enjoy your coconut oil in the process.

    Yep...Fats are not created equally! I use coconut oil every day, drink coconut milk, eat avocado's and nuts!!
  • ladylaume
    ladylaume Posts: 81 Member
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    So you want to be able to fry your mushrooms with something low fat and low calorie without too many chemicals? May I suggest unicorn oil? You can find it in the magical fantasy aisle of any grocery store. Either make it fit in your macros by dropping something else or give up the notion that your mushrooms *have* to be fried.

    Love this!
  • hilaryhill
    hilaryhill Posts: 156 Member
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    You need to take the bad stigma away from "fat". SOME fats, like coconut oil are GOOD for you. I drink coconut milk and I eat a lot of nuts. ALL healthy fats, and my cholesterol is in GREAT shape.

    Please research the difference between "good" and "bad" fats, and how they can impact your life. And enjoy your coconut oil in the process.

    This x1000000.

    I eat organic butter, coconut oil, and olive oil and drink whole milk. Natural fat is NOT bad for you, its all the processed crap that makes you sick.
  • 2delicio
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    I eat A LOT of pan fried (I like to say sauteed better :) ) mushrooms and onions. I Love Them! I could eat them on a shoe - lol! But I mostly use them as a side with a turkey pattie or Boca (veggie) burger, or I eat them over rice with a side of veggies for lunch or dinner. I use Olive Oil - like some have said - don't worry over the good fats. (just don't go crazy) A tablespoon or two won't kill you. Have you tried them using Pam yet (the spray) I know - not the same - but if you cooked them slow and keep stirring, they're not too bad. I fell off the wagon for awhile, but have started back again about a month ago. I am doing good again. The thing I am doing different this time, that is working like a charm is eating nuts . . . believe it or not. I eat about a quarter cup aday, almonds or cashews, for a snack to hold me over till lunch and dinner, or an orange and a handful of almonds for breakfast. Like they say, Protein helps fill you up, and takes away cravings. The extra fat calories are worth it, just so long as you watch your daily calorie quota. You have to lighten up somewhere to make room for those nutty treats. I am also eating 1/4 of an avacado on most days on my fat free bean tacos (plain corn or flour tortillas - just heat them in on a dry fying pan) and then lots of red onion, cilantro, tomatoes - Yum! . . . so don't give up the things you love (the healthy things), or you will feel deprived. Good Luck!
  • quill16
    quill16 Posts: 373 Member
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    If you hate the thought of PAM (I use it) try one of those spritzer cans that you put oil in and it comes out in a fine mist.I don't know how much they put out in a spray, but you could weigh the can before and then after and then see how much you used to count the calories
  • mumtoonegirl
    mumtoonegirl Posts: 586 Member
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    So you want to be able to fry your mushrooms with something low fat and low calorie without too many chemicals? May I suggest unicorn oil? You can find it in the magical fantasy aisle of any grocery store. Either make it fit in your macros by dropping something else or give up the notion that your mushrooms *have* to be fried.

    I love this! I seriously almost spit my water all over my computer when I read this.

    You don't 'need' to fry your mushrooms in anything, just in a pan with the tiniest amount of water and some seasonings. Leave it at that.

    But if the mushrooms are so important to be fried move something else out. There is no oil on the market that won't have some sort of fat in it, if it does it is likely a chemical crap storm.
  • LondonEliza
    LondonEliza Posts: 456 Member
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    The thing is, I like mushrooms. I eat about a half pound a day, sliced and pan fried. I can fry them in water but They just don't turn out as good.

    Boiled .... BOILED mushrooms!!? Eughhh. I'd rather be fat if that was the price of thin. >> shudder <<