The Skinny on Obesity (or: "Calories are not created equal")

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  • willdob3
    willdob3 Posts: 640 Member
    OP, there are some people that are so deeply rooted in their beliefs that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie and weight loss is simply "calories in vs. calories out" that they won't just to skip over this post, but instead will make a complete mockery of it. I didn't watch the video. No need to. I understand that the food we eat has a profound effect on our hormones, inflammation, metabolism...etc. without any consideration to "calories." I hope you weren't expecting to have an intelligent conversation on this subject, because it won't happen here, unfortunately.

    Good post.
  • Quieau
    Quieau Posts: 428 Member
    Thanks for those who warn me of the dire sarcasm *shudder* that would follow. I expected it. *yawn*

    I posted it for those people who are like me, scouring these forums for actual information based in science. I knew that it would be buried in ponies and unicorns, but figured that others out there looking for this information would still see it, so that accomplishes my goal. You can play word games with the facts, but they remain facts.

    I actually enjoy(ed) reading the 'backlash' banter ... it's kind of like watching Fox News. :drinker:

    You are all Special Snowflakes in my book! :heart:
  • jofjltncb6
    jofjltncb6 Posts: 34,415 Member
    In...

    ...because I just can't help myself around sugar threads.
  • bunnybutler29
    bunnybutler29 Posts: 291
    There is so much to be said about weight loss. As for the sugar part of it, that can be a difficult part for many. It's not just sugary foods, white sugar. It's in a lot of foods, fruits too. Your body breaks down carbs into sugar. Which is also why people like the no carb diet. It's not just the carbs you are cutting out, but the sugar that your body has turned the carbs into. There are so many complicated things when it comes to figuring out the body and how it works. Just about everything is linked together. Taking away from one thing effects another and another so on and so on. So in a way not all calories are created equal. To deprive yourself of no sugar or no carbs can in turn hurt you in another way. It's finding the balance to it all that is key to weight loss and living healthy. There is no way in HELLo that I am giving up sugar. Cut back maybe, but give it up nope, nada, not gonna happen. Not all calories are created equal and yes some will benefit the body better than others, DUH. My slice of lemon meringue pie doesn't have the same vitamins or minerals as the bowl of fruit that is next to it. Both have calories and tons of sugar. Its all about choices.
  • vjohn04
    vjohn04 Posts: 2,276 Member
    um yeah...

    Thinking the OP feels like:

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    These threads never go well.
  • dunnodunno
    dunnodunno Posts: 2,290 Member
    I eat sugar everyday....I am fat as f**k srs

    :O!
  • Fayve
    Fayve Posts: 406 Member
    I'm so addicted to sugar (threads).
  • VeinsAndBones
    VeinsAndBones Posts: 550 Member
    God man good thing I just ate all the puddin!
  • Cranquistador
    Cranquistador Posts: 39,744 Member
    Thanks for those who warn me of the dire sarcasm *shudder* that would follow. I expected it. *yawn*

    I posted it for those people who are like me, scouring these forums for actual information based in science. I knew that it would be buried in ponies and unicorns, but figured that others out there looking for this information would still see it, so that accomplishes my goal. You can play word games with the facts, but they remain facts.

    I actually enjoy(ed) reading the 'backlash' banter ... it's kind of like watching Fox News. :drinker:

    You are all Special Snowflakes in my book! :heart:
    funny what you believe are facts
  • PtheronJr
    PtheronJr Posts: 108 Member
    Thanks for those who warn me of the dire sarcasm *shudder* that would follow. I expected it. *yawn*

    I posted it for those people who are like me, scouring these forums for actual information based in science. I knew that it would be buried in ponies and unicorns, but figured that others out there looking for this information would still see it, so that accomplishes my goal. You can play word games with the facts, but they remain facts.

    I actually enjoy(ed) reading the 'backlash' banter ... it's kind of like watching Fox News. :drinker:

    You are all Special Snowflakes in my book! :heart:

    The reason people are responding with derision is because what you linked is absolute horse****, it's pseudo-science and any studies done by people who actually know what they're talking about (see: actual nutritionists and dietary scientists) will completely and utterly disagree with the fear mongering. If your diet is otherwise healthy, you do not have to worry about sugar, if you are a lifter, someone who runs, or someone who engages in any sort of mild activity, sugar is a necessary part of your diet, processed sugars will not overly hamper you unless you eat them in excess and this goes for nearly everything. Your body needs sugar like it needs nearly every other kind of food, like fat, or protein, or even sodium, or carbs (those last two are another pair that is constantly hounded by idiots who have no idea what they're talking about).

    Look at your sources, don't look at random worthless videos and base your ignorant opinions off of those, go to websites that actually understand what's going on, or take a class on nutrition done by someone with actual credentials, I'll guarantee you that your viewpoint regarding crap like this will change instantly.
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
    Thanks for those who warn me of the dire sarcasm *shudder* that would follow. I expected it. *yawn*

    I posted it for those people who are like me, scouring these forums for actual information based in science. I knew that it would be buried in ponies and unicorns, but figured that others out there looking for this information would still see it, so that accomplishes my goal. You can play word games with the facts, but they remain facts.

    I actually enjoy(ed) reading the 'backlash' banter ... it's kind of like watching Fox News. :drinker:

    You are all Special Snowflakes in my book! :heart:
    funny what you believe are facts

    MFP Logical Property #3: I believe it, thus it is a fact. If you won't agree or show up with some proof of otherwise you work for big food/lack the will power to eat clean and/or cut out what it is I'm talking about/are a meanie head.
  • chrisdavey
    chrisdavey Posts: 9,834 Member
    http://www.fitnessbaddies.com/your-problem-with-sugar-is-the-problem-with-sugar/

    HTH OP
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    in....for the show...
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    ohnoes-4270.jpg

    ^ this is awesome! LOL
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    now we just need the "my buddy" guy to show up ...and we will have the whole "sugar is evil" crew together...
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    OP, there are some people that are so deeply rooted in their beliefs that a calorie is a calorie is a calorie and weight loss is simply "calories in vs. calories out" that they won't just to skip over this post, but instead will make a complete mockery of it. I didn't watch the video. No need to. I understand that the food we eat has a profound effect on our hormones, inflammation, metabolism...etc. without any consideration to "calories." I hope you weren't expecting to have an intelligent conversation on this subject, because it won't happen here, unfortunately.

    so if a calorie is not a calorie you are saying I can eat 1000 cals over maintenance a day and still lose weight????? heads for dunkin donuts to get four blueberry muffins and a dozen donuts....
  • LolBroScience
    LolBroScience Posts: 4,537 Member
    Tell me more, tell me more... like does he have a car??
  • DrewMontoya
    DrewMontoya Posts: 77 Member
    in....for the show...

    http://youtu.be/IwSTe9uit48
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    In...

    ...because I just can't help myself around sugar threads.

    bro you are totally addicted...!!! we need to have an intervention and get you into Sugar Thread Anonymous...or STA .....
  • jonnythan
    jonnythan Posts: 10,161 Member
    In to read tomorrow and see where this crazy train is headed.
  • FredDoyle
    FredDoyle Posts: 2,273 Member
    The youtubes are scientific research now?
    I guess, if you take your cues from internet research scientists like Jenny McCarthy...
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  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    Thanks for those who warn me of the dire sarcasm *shudder* that would follow. I expected it. *yawn*

    I posted it for those people who are like me, scouring these forums for actual information based in science. I knew that it would be buried in ponies and unicorns, but figured that others out there looking for this information would still see it, so that accomplishes my goal. You can play word games with the facts, but they remain facts.

    I actually enjoy(ed) reading the 'backlash' banter ... it's kind of like watching Fox News. :drinker:

    You are all Special Snowflakes in my book! :heart:

    only in MFP land can "fact" be someones "opinion"...I wish I could live in that world, where everything I say is fact....

    oh and *yawns* at this topic, as it is only about the millionth thread on this topic....but hey, originality and facts seem to be OP's specialty...
  • Pulka_Dot
    Pulka_Dot Posts: 87 Member
    There have been dozens of threads about this. Personally, I believe it, but it doesn't change anything for me. I still need to eat my 'junk' food or I'd never stick to any kind of 'diet'. If it means I lose 1 less lb every 2 months, I couldn't care less.

    Thank you for saying "couldn't care less" instead of the ever-popular (and incorrect) "could care less". :flowerforyou: :happy:
  • fitmusiclifeviola
    fitmusiclifeviola Posts: 99
    Wow, OP, you are getting attacked big time...and I don't think it's fair. I agree with you that different calories have a different affect on me and my weight loss. It's a lot easier for me to eat a normal (for me) # of calories when I eat whole foods. Actually, one of the primary changes I made that jump started me on my road to weight loss was to start having oatmeal and fruit for breakfast. Before I would usually have cereal, or pancakes+syrup, and while neither typical unhealthy food, I found oatmeal to keep me more full for longer. Pretty sweet tool to have while losing weight.
    I also found that going to no sugar made me crave it less (after a while), and again, eating less calories became easier. Hope you can read through all the pony garbage, and just see a post for riding your original topic. (sorry, couldn't resist getting on that horse too. :oD )

    Have a good day!
  • aimforhealthy
    aimforhealthy Posts: 449 Member
    The youtubes are scientific research now?
    I guess, if you take your cues from internet research scientists like Jenny McCarthy...

    "On the Internet" is synonymous with "trufax." Everyone knows this.
  • daybehavior
    daybehavior Posts: 1,319 Member
    I knew that it would be buried in ponies and unicorns, but figured that others out there looking for this information would still see it, so that accomplishes my goal.

    Yeah but the responses in the thread (which most reasonable people would also read) contradict the OP so you really didn't accomplish anything.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    In to read tomorrow and see where this crazy train is headed.

    this train is headed straight to sugar land! Oh yeaaaaaaaaa LOL

    Actually, derail city is about ten miles ahead on the left....
  • Achrya
    Achrya Posts: 16,913 Member
    Wow, OP, you are getting attacked big time...and I don't think it's fair. I agree with you that different calories have a different affect on me and my weight loss. It's a lot easier for me to eat a normal (for me) # of calories when I eat whole foods. Actually, one of the primary changes I made that jump started me on my road to weight loss was to start having oatmeal and fruit for breakfast. Before I would usually have cereal, or pancakes+syrup, and while neither typical unhealthy food, I found oatmeal to keep me more full for longer. Pretty sweet tool to have while losing weight.
    I also found that going to no sugar made me crave it less (after a while), and again, eating less calories became easier. Hope you can read through all the pony garbage, and just see a post for riding your original topic. (sorry, couldn't resist getting on that horse too. :oD )

    Have a good day!

    I often feel like people who tlak about how the only way they can adhere to their diet/eat the right number of calories is by eating 'whole' food (Which always seems to mean high volume+low calorie) are eating a frightfully low amount.

    That's just my opinion thought. Even though I said it on the internet it's not a fact.
  • Mother_Superior
    Mother_Superior Posts: 1,624 Member
    Thanks for those who warn me of the dire sarcasm *shudder* that would follow. I expected it. *yawn*

    I posted it for those people who are like me, scouring these forums for actual information based in science. I knew that it would be buried in ponies and unicorns, but figured that others out there looking for this information would still see it, so that accomplishes my goal. You can play word games with the facts, but they remain facts.

    I actually enjoy(ed) reading the 'backlash' banter ... it's kind of like watching Fox News. :drinker:

    You are all Special Snowflakes in my book! :heart:

    Somebody get Godwin on the phone! I think we've discovered a possible expansion to his law!

    (That said, I have nothing meaningful to contribute to the scientific veracity of either side of the issue. I'm sure solid arguments will be presented on both sides though. Carry on good people.)

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