The Skinny on Obesity (or: "Calories are not created equal")

*sigh* How about this? I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe and we all go on our merry way? I never said anyone else should or should not do anything else. In *my* world added sugar is not a friend. I never tried to claim anything else.

All i know.. is if I eat added sugar I feel like crap, i can't sleep and I get a headache. I also crave more sugar. So.. I cut as much of it out as I can. That doesn't happen when it's sugar from fruit. And yes.. those 2 cookies i had last week.. (or whenever that was) gave me a headache. If it doesn't do that for you. Then good for you. I will maintain my belief that added sugar is bad, esp in the quantity most people get it in. (since it's in pretty much everything you don't make yourself). You can maintain whatever you want.


And no.. not pre-diabetic, diabetic or anything. I get tested for it often because diabetes runs in my family.

What I find most amusing about the the sugar threads and the sugar thread addicts is looking at people's diaries. With the exception of the chick who eats candy for breakfast, the vast majority of the people who refute sugar is a problem, aren't actually eating it. Oh, I know there is the occasional small piece of candy, the quarter cup of ice cream, small portion of rice pudding, but on balance, they eat good food. Balanced diets without a lot of junk - even 1200 calorie diets! Now, before I get blasted, I have a life (at least I try). I could only look at so many diaries and a couple days each. Props to the guy who was in for a bowl of ice cream. He actually ate a bowl of ice cream.

If you feel you are the exception to the above generalization - I am sure you are and preemptively believe you.

Aren't actually eating it, or are eating it in moderation?

What kind of lunatic wants a moderate amount of ice cream? Great, 200 calories of ice cream. A whole 1/4 of a pint. That really hit the spot. Yawn.

See that's the problem. Who wants a 1/4 cup. If you look at the container on the Ben & Jerry's ice cream that is a serving size. And most are around 300 calories. So by your logic it doesn't count if I don't eat the whole thing?

And yes that does satisfy me. You know why? Because I can have 1/4 cup today, and tomorrow and the next day.

And in case you think I'm talking some bs here is my freezer. I won't even show you my Count Chocula and Pop Tart closet.

So you're mentioning how a 1/4 cup of ice cream is a serving, and you have 8 pints of B&J's in your freezer?

Do you have your groceries airlifted to you?

Yup. My thoughts exactly. I like to know that I have options to satisfy whatever taste I'm looking for. In the morning I may log Caramel but when I get home I may be feeling some chocolate. It's better to be prepared than not.

What I find most amusing about the the sugar threads and the sugar thread addicts is looking at people's diaries. With the exception of the chick who eats candy for breakfast, the vast majority of the people who refute sugar is a problem, aren't actually eating it. Oh, I know there is the occasional small piece of candy, the quarter cup of ice cream, small portion of rice pudding, but on balance, they eat good food. Balanced diets without a lot of junk - even 1200 calorie diets! Now, before I get blasted, I have a life (at least I try). I could only look at so many diaries and a couple days each. Props to the guy who was in for a bowl of ice cream. He actually ate a bowl of ice cream.

If you feel you are the exception to the above generalization - I am sure you are and preemptively believe you.

Aren't actually eating it, or are eating it in moderation?

What kind of lunatic wants a moderate amount of ice cream? Great, 200 calories of ice cream. A whole 1/4 of a pint. That really hit the spot. Yawn.

See that's the problem. Who wants a 1/4 cup. If you look at the container on the Ben & Jerry's ice cream that is a serving size. And most are around 300 calories. So by your logic it doesn't count if I don't eat the whole thing?

And yes that does satisfy me. You know why? Because I can have 1/4 cup today, and tomorrow and the next day.

And in case you think I'm talking some bs here is my freezer. I won't even show you my Count Chocula and Pop Tart closet.

So you're mentioning how a 1/4 cup of ice cream is a serving, and you have 8 pints of B&J's in your freezer?

Do you have your groceries airlifted to you?

I do the same thing. I often have 4-8 different flavors of ice cream in my freezer. I typically eat 1 serving at a time. Variety is nice.

Yup. My thoughts exactly. I like to know that I have options to satisfy whatever taste I'm looking for. In the morning I may log Caramel but when I get home I may be feeling some chocolate. It's better to be prepared than not.

This is why I only eat the left twix. The right twix calories cause cancer of the diabeetus.

*sigh* How about this? I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe and we all go on our merry way? I never said anyone else should or should not do anything else. In *my* world added sugar is not a friend. I never tried to claim anything else.

All i know.. is if I eat added sugar I feel like crap, i can't sleep and I get a headache. I also crave more sugar. So.. I cut as much of it out as I can. That doesn't happen when it's sugar from fruit. And yes.. those 2 cookies i had last week.. (or whenever that was) gave me a headache. If it doesn't do that for you. Then good for you. I will maintain my belief that added sugar is bad, esp in the quantity most people get it in. (since it's in pretty much everything you don't make yourself). You can maintain whatever you want.


And no.. not pre-diabetic, diabetic or anything. I get tested for it often because diabetes runs in my family.

I was not trying to "diary shame" you..just pointing out you eat added sugar...which based on what I can see is a relatively new thing since you probably just started the 17 day diet...if that is why...know this...c3 and c4 add in other foods and maitenance says...and I am quoting from the book...

"on the weekends eat 4 of your favorite meals"...doesn't matter if it's brown sugar pork chops or a hot fudge sunday...even the author knows it is not reasonable to expect people to reject the food they like and/or love to eat...as it is not sustainable .

*sigh* How about this? I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe and we all go on our merry way? I never said anyone else should or should not do anything else. In *my* world added sugar is not a friend. I never tried to claim anything else.

All i know.. is if I eat added sugar I feel like crap, i can't sleep and I get a headache. I also crave more sugar. So.. I cut as much of it out as I can. That doesn't happen when it's sugar from fruit. And yes.. those 2 cookies i had last week.. (or whenever that was) gave me a headache. If it doesn't do that for you. Then good for you. I will maintain my belief that added sugar is bad, esp in the quantity most people get it in. (since it's in pretty much everything you don't make yourself). You can maintain whatever you want.


And no.. not pre-diabetic, diabetic or anything. I get tested for it often because diabetes runs in my family.

I was not trying to "diary shame" you..just pointing out you eat added sugar...which based on what I can see is a relatively new thing since you probably just started the 17 day diet...if that is why...know this...c3 and c4 add in other foods and maitenance says...and I am quoting from the book...

"on the weekends eat 4 of your favorite meals"...doesn't matter if it's brown sugar pork chops or a hot fudge sunday...even the author knows it is not reasonable to expect people to reject the food they like and/or love to eat...as it is not sustainable .

yep. it's a constant struggle. i don't always realize what i'm eating has the added sugar in it until it's too late and i had cut out most of it prior to the 17 day diet. I only started it, because it is chock full of the food I already eat, so fairly easy to follow. I'm aware of what the author says. that does not mean that I am going to eat those foods or that i would even want to. I don't eat enough.. i think that's where the unhealthy choice came from the other day. I was starving and needed something quick, so i grabbed those stupid bars and the cookies (did it twice actually if i remember right) My son is currently bulking so he needs all that stuff in the house or I wouldn't even have it.

What kind of lunatic wants a moderate amount of ice cream? Great, 200 calories of ice cream. A whole 1/4 of a pint. That really hit the spot. Yawn.

I am quite sure you do. And who doesn't admire a freezer full of ice cream? Seriously

I admire it and envy it, ive only got five different kinds in my freezer (gotta have room for all that chicken breast.) Makes me wonder if I'm missing out by being anti skinny cow. Is that stuff even real ice cream?

Gawd, who cares? The mint ice cream sandwiches are great. Even better when you eat two.

edit: I suck at quotes.