Is chivalry really dead? :(

Can't have chivalry and equality at the same time, so yes it's dead or at the least almost dead.

Equality is one thing and Chivalry is another.

I love statements that demonstrate a certain ignorance of the subject matter. The chivalric code was based on an assumption of inequality. It was honorable for a man of a certain position to protect and serve the weak. Once you have equality, what is being discussed is mere courtesy among equals.

Based on the Merriam Webster definition of the world "chivalry", I find it ironic that you are accusing the dictionary of being ignorant of the subject matter.

Can't have chivalry and equality at the same time, so yes it's dead or at the least almost dead.

Equality is one thing and Chivalry is another.

I love statements that demonstrate a certain ignorance of the subject matter. The chivalric code was based on an assumption of inequality. It was honorable for a man of a certain position to protect and serve the weak. Once you have equality, what is being discussed is mere courtesy among equals.

Based on the Merriam Webster definition of the world "chivalry", I find it ironic that you are accusing the dictionary of being ignorant of the subject matter.

Here let me communicate in a way you may understand, lol wut?

Can't have chivalry and equality at the same time, so yes it's dead or at the least almost dead.

Equality is one thing and Chivalry is another.

I love statements that demonstrate a certain ignorance of the subject matter. The chivalric code was based on an assumption of inequality. It was honorable for a man of a certain position to protect and serve the weak. Once you have equality, what is being discussed is mere courtesy among equals.

Based on the Merriam Webster definition of the world "chivalry", I find it ironic that you are accusing the dictionary of being ignorant of the subject matter.

Here let me communicate in a way you may understand, lol wut?

Dude... your 'roid rage is showing.

Can't have chivalry and equality at the same time, so yes it's dead or at the least almost dead.

Equality is one thing and Chivalry is another.

I love statements that demonstrate a certain ignorance of the subject matter. The chivalric code was based on an assumption of inequality. It was honorable for a man of a certain position to protect and serve the weak. Once you have equality, what is being discussed is mere courtesy among equals.

Based on the Merriam Webster definition of the world "chivalry", I find it ironic that you are accusing the dictionary of being ignorant of the subject matter.

"The system of values (such as loyalty and honor) that knights in the Middle Ages were expected to follow"

So sayeth Webster's.

Also go look up ironic while you're in there.

Bingo

Absolutely. Chivalry is dead because alot of females have become "I can do it myself". Everything from opening doors for a woman, to footing the bill. Women have become more independent over the years and to an extent arrogant, conceited and just as egotistical as most men. Don't blame the guys, blame the other women out there who have confused them into thinking "chivalry" is wrong.

Wow. So are you saying you get some serious resistance when you insist on being chivalrous?

No I'm speaking from the experiences I've had talking to several women who were just friends on this topic

The more sandwiches and sweaters she makes, the more chivalrous I am.

He got me a wash cloth after then called me a cab. But I paid the fare.

I will continue to practice it. If it is appreciated fine, if not fine. It's their problem and not mine.

I guess I fail to see the conflict between chivalry and equality.

Chivalry is a way of treating people...

Equality is allowing people an equal opportunity for achievement.

Men who hold back chivalry in the name of equality do so out of holding a grudge, or because they don't like showing respect to women in the first place.

But that's just my opinion.

Nicely said!

Can't have chivalry and equality at the same time, so yes it's dead or at the least almost dead.

Equality is one thing and Chivalry is another.

They are distinct, but they sometimes come in conflict. Opening doors, for instance, is a nice gesture. It doesn't presuppose any inequality.

Picking up the tab does. If my date and I are both professionals with equal opportunities for earning, it makes no sense for us not to go dutch unless you suppose some inequality between us.

To answer this thread, chivalry isn't dead but it has had to evolve to coexist with gender equality and will continue to do so. End of story.

P.S.
The "Knight's Code" people are referring to is the product of the "Peace and Truce of God" movement in Medieval Catholic thought and was a direct result of severe inequality. Modern notions of chivalry are an offshoot of it, although there are many others.

Can't have chivalry and equality at the same time, so yes it's dead or at the least almost dead.

Equality is one thing and Chivalry is another.

They are distinct, but they sometimes come in conflict. Opening doors, for instance, is a nice gesture. It doesn't presuppose any inequality.

Picking up the tab does. If my date and I are both professionals with equal opportunities for earning, it makes no sense for us not to go dutch unless you suppose some inequality between us.

And what about doing something nice for a woman you're courting?

I don't agree with you here.

Maybe I was raised "wrong", but it makes me ridiculously uncomfortable for a woman to pay for anything in my presence. (Within reason, mind.)

Can't have chivalry and equality at the same time, so yes it's dead or at the least almost dead.

Equality is one thing and Chivalry is another.

They are distinct, but they sometimes come in conflict. Opening doors, for instance, is a nice gesture. It doesn't presuppose any inequality.

Picking up the tab does. If my date and I are both professionals with equal opportunities for earning, it makes no sense for us not to go dutch unless you suppose some inequality between us.

And what about doing something nice for a woman you're courting?

I don't agree with you here.

Maybe I was raised "wrong", but it makes me ridiculously uncomfortable for a woman to pay for anything in my presence. (Within reason, mind.)

Yeah, I would say that's a problem. Can't she do something nice for you? Why does it make you feel so uncomfortable? Do you feel emasculated? Do you assume you're more successful than her? I buy stuff for my boyfriends all the time. It's a nice gesture as long as you don't require it.

Yeah, I would say that's a problem. Can't she do something nice for you? Why does it make you feel so uncomfortable? Do you feel emasculated? Do you assume you're more successful than her? I buy stuff for my boyfriends all the time. It's a nice gesture as long as you don't require it.

Of course she can do something nice for me. I don't feel emasculated, I just feel that if I ask her out, I should pay.
I don't assume I'm more successful...
I've been known to let a woman pay if she asked me out and insisted on paying.
It was hard, but I did it.

Why? Would you owe her some bow chica wow wow later?

Oh heavens no.
I just deem it to be kind and respectful behavior to show a woman I'm trying to court.

I'm going to elaborate on this....

Just because I pay doesn't mean I have any expectations. And any guy that DOES have expectations if he pays is dangerous and not a man.

I guess I fail to see the conflict between chivalry and equality.

Chivalry is a way of treating people...

Equality is allowing people an equal opportunity for achievement.

Men who hold back chivalry in the name of equality do so out of holding a grudge, or because they don't like showing respect to women in the first place.

But that's just my opinion.

I like you.

I like u 2!!

Yeah, I would say that's a problem. Can't she do something nice for you? Why does it make you feel so uncomfortable? Do you feel emasculated? Do you assume you're more successful than her? I buy stuff for my boyfriends all the time. It's a nice gesture as long as you don't require it.

Of course she can do something nice for me. I don't feel emasculated, I just feel that if I ask her out, I should pay.
I don't assume I'm more successful...
I've been known to let a woman pay if she asked me out and insisted on paying.
It was hard, but I did it.

See, that's a good attitude to have. You should have said that in the first place. The person who does the asking out should be the one who pays.