Is chivalry really dead? :(

I guess I fail to see the conflict between chivalry and equality.

Chivalry is a way of treating people...

Equality is allowing people an equal opportunity for achievement.

Men who hold back chivalry in the name of equality do so out of holding a grudge, or because they don't like showing respect to women in the first place.

But that's just my opinion.

You are A OK in my book!

Here is the real question, if you were on a sinking ship would you want chivalry to be dead or alive ladies? If you have been arguing that chivalry is a misogynistic ideal, then I am guessing you would want an equitable way of deciding who drowns and who gets in the lifeboat that has nothing to do with gender.

Actually that's a hypothetical question. Seeing as you're so fond of hypotheticals, let me pose one to you; If it came down to your son or husband or an old lady getting in that lifeboat would you want chivalry to be alive?

Pardon me, hypothetical question, my bad. I hardly ever post, so I don't know where you come off saying I am so fond of them, but I have seen many of your other posts, so I guess I get the snark.

I don't have an answer, no one does, as you so graciously pointed out, it is a hypothetical and any answer is the same. However, I believe I would never get on a lifeboat if my son or husband did not. However, I have the luxury of saying that because I don't have young children at home who need me. I think I would prefer young families survived but that is me hoping I have some level of honor that I would live up to in that situation.

I would throw most of you overboard and save myself.

Finally! An honest answer.

Yup. I intend to live on in that circumstance.

However, I do not believe that I would throw a child overboard to save myself.

*looks up, makes eye contact, keeps sitting*

Well, I don't want to make you uncomfortable.

You're welcome.

Thanks!

I don't mind standing on the bus, I do mind feeling like someone sacrificed their comfort just for me (all other things being equal. If I'm 8 months pregnant, everyone 7 months in and earlier better offer up their seats.)

Cat that would survive sinking ship:

I just want somebody to buy me some tacos, ok?

QFT.

One can only hope.

I guess people think they deserve a pat on the back for behaving politely to women, it can't just be expected. sure, the "good old days" are gone.... I agree... one can only hope that they are gone...

My point precisely. The idea of chivalry was romanticized in the 1800s when people were revolting against the industrial revolution. Chivalry, like I said earlier, was a code of conduct created by priests to prevent knights from killing each other in times of peace. There was nothing chivalrous about knights.

Enter the Ivanhoe in the 1800s and people have been stupefied ever since. Woman can actually vote now. That's called progress. It ain't perfect but anyone who thinks females fared better in the past are moronic at best.

BTW, googling "Rose door Titanic" under "images" shows that this debate is alive and well. :laugh:

http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/news/titanic-mythbusters-kerb.php

No......it's not really needed as many girls will "give it up", with not much effort....

Oh this looks fun. Chivalry is for getting women to have sex with you?

No......it's not really needed as many girls will "give it up", with not much effort....

Lol. If you're nice to a girl just to get laid, you're a DB.

I guess I fail to see the conflict between chivalry and equality.

Chivalry is a way of treating people...

Equality is allowing people an equal opportunity for achievement.

Men who hold back chivalry in the name of equality do so out of holding a grudge, or because they don't like showing respect to women in the first place.

But that's just my opinion.

Good point.

I don't believe it's dead. I think if a woman appreciates it and if both parties are actually open to it then it works, otherwise not . But some people don't want anything to do with it. Hate to say it, but I also think some people don't have enough respect for themselves for any of it anymore. To expect it/ to dish it...its all about wham, bam, out the door and onto the next.

I truly hope not... This is what separates the boys from the men.

^^^^THIS!!! SO THIS!!!^^^^

That is also an androgynistic comment.

No......it's not really needed as many girls will "give it up", with not much effort....

Points for honestly.

And... well, that's about it.

One can only hope.

I guess people think they deserve a pat on the back for behaving politely to women, it can't just be expected. sure, the "good old days" are gone.... I agree... one can only hope that they are gone...

My point precisely. The idea of chivalry was romanticized in the 1800s when people were revolting against the industrial revolution. Chivalry, like I said earlier, was a code of conduct created by priests to prevent knights from killing each other in times of peace. There was nothing chivalrous about knights.

Enter the Ivanhoe in the 1800s and people have been stupefied ever since. Woman can actually vote now. That's called progress. It ain't perfect but anyone who thinks females fared better in the past are moronic at best.

Did anyone say that "women fared better in the past?" I don't recall any single person making that particular argument. It would be moronic if any one had in fact made that statement. I had a high school history teacher who said the worst mistake men ever made was giving women the right to vote. I also had a guidance counselor who told me it was okay that I wasn't good at math and to just take typing classes instead. So I don't feel I need a lecture on women's rights and their advancement in the last few decades. Thinking "chivalrous" behavior is of some value is not the same as saying women should be weak, sweet, little, demure creatures who depend on a man for their very survival.