Holy sexism, batman!
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No, for things that have an objective definition, you can't do that. But things like sexism and racism don't have one bright-line definition.
But you don't get to define that for her.
I don't think back-biting and minimizing another person's experience is going to help us unite and fight against sexism in all its forms.I work in a male dominated field and have had to deal with real sexism... what the op is talking about is not sexism.
What the op is talking about is not sexism...
Does an individual get to define what every word means for themselves? From this point forward the word "tree" refers to the clear liquid that is necessary for life.0 -
three words: Concealed weapons license
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Holy crap, then again I say I'm glad I don't live in the UK.
Then I'm super confused. So if a man sexually assaults another man, the victim of that assault, under the law, cannot be said to have been raped?
Yes, that is my point that I was making. There is no way "under the law a man cannot be raped". Perhaps you have some crazy laws that prevent women from being convicted of "rape", but that is semantics. Where I live, there is no such crime "rape". There is "sexual assault" and men and women both can be victims and perpetrators. Rape is a culturally-loaded term anyway, so it's probably for the best that we do not have it codified in laws.
Are you just going to ignore all of the male victims of rape, seriously?! I can't even...
I think it would be a little difficult to get the real numbers for men seeing as under the law a man cannot be raped, so reporting it wouldn't really do anything. I'll be honest I don't know about sexual harassment numbers, but society as a whole pretty much says guys want it so it can't happen.
True enough.
A woman can commit the offence of assault by penetration however. I obviously support the rights of both men and women who have been victims in this regard. It is simply unacceptable.
Eh?
Under English Law a man can be raped by a woman but cannot be called a rapist - the wording of the statute does not allow for it.
A man can rape another man and be called a rapist.
That is the point being made.
I wasn't saying a man can't be raped, I was saying under the law it is impossible for a man to be "raped'. Only a woman can be "raped"
I forget the exact wording, but it's something like "rape is the act of a man penetrating a woman against her will."
I'll try to find the exact quote0 -
No, for things that have an objective definition, you can't do that. But things like sexism and racism don't have one bright-line definition.
But you don't get to define that for her.
I don't think back-biting and minimizing another person's experience is going to help us unite and fight against sexism in all its forms.I work in a male dominated field and have had to deal with real sexism... what the op is talking about is not sexism.
What the op is talking about is not sexism...
Does an individual get to define what every word means for themselves? From this point forward the word "tree" refers to the clear liquid that is necessary for life.
A person of another race looked at me today. He was a racist.0 -
I knew that; but I thought you both live in the UK. I stand corrected if that is not the case.
Fair play 0 -
Holy crap, then again I say I'm glad I don't live in the UK.
Then I'm super confused. So if a man sexually assaults another man, the victim of that assault, under the law, cannot be said to have been raped?
Yes, that is my point that I was making. There is no way "under the law a man cannot be raped". Perhaps you have some crazy laws that prevent women from being convicted of "rape", but that is semantics. Where I live, there is no such crime "rape". There is "sexual assault" and men and women both can be victims and perpetrators. Rape is a culturally-loaded term anyway, so it's probably for the best that we do not have it codified in laws.
Are you just going to ignore all of the male victims of rape, seriously?! I can't even...
I think it would be a little difficult to get the real numbers for men seeing as under the law a man cannot be raped, so reporting it wouldn't really do anything. I'll be honest I don't know about sexual harassment numbers, but society as a whole pretty much says guys want it so it can't happen.
True enough.
A woman can commit the offence of assault by penetration however. I obviously support the rights of both men and women who have been victims in this regard. It is simply unacceptable.
Eh?
Under English Law a man can be raped by a woman but cannot be called a rapist - the wording of the statute does not allow for it.
A man can rape another man and be called a rapist.
That is the point being made.
I wasn't saying a man can't be raped, I was saying under the law it is impossible for a man to be "raped'. Only a woman can be "raped"
I forget the exact wording, but it's something like "rape is the act of a man penetrating a woman against her will."
I'll try to find the exact quote
I'm not from the UK lol this is US0 -
Then I'm super confused. So if a man sexually assaults another man, the victim of that assault, under the law, cannot be said to have been raped?
Yes, that is my point that I was making. There is no way "under the law a man cannot be raped". Perhaps you have some crazy laws that prevent women from being convicted of "rape", but that is semantics. Where I live, there is no such crime "rape". There is "sexual assault" and men and women both can be victims and perpetrators. Rape is a culturally-loaded term anyway, so it's probably for the best that we do not have it codified in laws.
Are you just going to ignore all of the male victims of rape, seriously?! I can't even...
I think it would be a little difficult to get the real numbers for men seeing as under the law a man cannot be raped, so reporting it wouldn't really do anything. I'll be honest I don't know about sexual harassment numbers, but society as a whole pretty much says guys want it so it can't happen.
True enough.
A woman can commit the offence of assault by penetration however. I obviously support the rights of both men and women who have been victims in this regard. It is simply unacceptable.
Eh?
Under English Law a man can be raped by a woman but cannot be called a rapist - the wording of the statute does not allow for it.
A man can rape another man and be called a rapist.
That is the point being made.
I wasn't saying a man can't be raped, I was saying under the law it is impossible for a man to be "raped'. Only a woman can be "raped"
I forget the exact wording, but it's something like "rape is the act of a man penetrating a woman against her will."
I'll try to find the exact quote
In the USA, as of the early 2000s, all states define rape without reference to the sex of the victim and the perpetrator. Though the overwhelming majority of rape victims are women, a woman may be convicted of raping a man, a man may be convicted of raping a man, and a woman may be convicted of raping another woman. Furthermore, a spouse may be convicted of rape if the perpetrator forces the other spouse to have nonconsensual sex. Many states do not punish the rape of a spouse as severely as the rape of a non-spouse.0 -
this^I feel like we are getting very off topic.
On topic, what those men did was not sexism.
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it wasn't rape either0 -
sex·ism (skszm)
But you don't get to define that for her.
I don't think back-biting and minimizing another person's experience is going to help us unite and fight against sexism in all its forms.I work in a male dominated field and have had to deal with real sexism... what the op is talking about is not sexism.
What the op is talking about is not sexism...
Sexism has a definition and what the op is talking about ain't it...
n.
1. Discrimination based on gender, especially discrimination against women.
2. Attitudes, conditions, or behaviors that promote stereotyping of social roles based on gender.
The attitudes, conditions and behaviors the OP described seem to fit the definition handily. It promotes the stereotyping of social roles based on gender (i.e., women's bodies exist for the gratification of men). If you want to argue and say it doesn't fit definition 1., I'm ok with that.0 -
I feel like we are getting very off topic.
On topic, what those men did was not sexism.
/thread
it wasn't rape either
I'd rape you with my eyes 0 -
In serious agreement with you here. But as the OP is apparently in the UK, that is an avenue denied her.three words: Concealed weapons license0 -
Holy crap, then again I say I'm glad I don't live in the UK.
Then I'm super confused. So if a man sexually assaults another man, the victim of that assault, under the law, cannot be said to have been raped?
Yes, that is my point that I was making. There is no way "under the law a man cannot be raped". Perhaps you have some crazy laws that prevent women from being convicted of "rape", but that is semantics. Where I live, there is no such crime "rape". There is "sexual assault" and men and women both can be victims and perpetrators. Rape is a culturally-loaded term anyway, so it's probably for the best that we do not have it codified in laws.
Are you just going to ignore all of the male victims of rape, seriously?! I can't even...
I think it would be a little difficult to get the real numbers for men seeing as under the law a man cannot be raped, so reporting it wouldn't really do anything. I'll be honest I don't know about sexual harassment numbers, but society as a whole pretty much says guys want it so it can't happen.
True enough.
A woman can commit the offence of assault by penetration however. I obviously support the rights of both men and women who have been victims in this regard. It is simply unacceptable.
Eh?
Under English Law a man can be raped by a woman but cannot be called a rapist - the wording of the statute does not allow for it.
A man can rape another man and be called a rapist.
That is the point being made.
I wasn't saying a man can't be raped, I was saying under the law it is impossible for a man to be "raped'. Only a woman can be "raped"
I forget the exact wording, but it's something like "rape is the act of a man penetrating a woman against her will."
I'll try to find the exact quote
I'm not from the UK lol this is US
you are abusing the term "LOL". You sound like a tween0 -
you were showing vulnerability and submissiveness with downcast eyes. The wolves will go after the weak. Why are you taking power away from yourself and then being surprised when men pounce on it? That's their nature. Put your head up, make eye contact, speak with your eyes that you don't take sh** from anyone. They won't mess with you then.0
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Holy crap, then again I say I'm glad I don't live in the UK.
Then I'm super confused. So if a man sexually assaults another man, the victim of that assault, under the law, cannot be said to have been raped?
Yes, that is my point that I was making. There is no way "under the law a man cannot be raped". Perhaps you have some crazy laws that prevent women from being convicted of "rape", but that is semantics. Where I live, there is no such crime "rape". There is "sexual assault" and men and women both can be victims and perpetrators. Rape is a culturally-loaded term anyway, so it's probably for the best that we do not have it codified in laws.
Are you just going to ignore all of the male victims of rape, seriously?! I can't even...
I think it would be a little difficult to get the real numbers for men seeing as under the law a man cannot be raped, so reporting it wouldn't really do anything. I'll be honest I don't know about sexual harassment numbers, but society as a whole pretty much says guys want it so it can't happen.
True enough.
A woman can commit the offence of assault by penetration however. I obviously support the rights of both men and women who have been victims in this regard. It is simply unacceptable.
Eh?
Under English Law a man can be raped by a woman but cannot be called a rapist - the wording of the statute does not allow for it.
A man can rape another man and be called a rapist.
That is the point being made.
I wasn't saying a man can't be raped, I was saying under the law it is impossible for a man to be "raped'. Only a woman can be "raped"
I forget the exact wording, but it's something like "rape is the act of a man penetrating a woman against her will."
I'll try to find the exact quote
I'm not from the UK lol this is US
you are abusing the term "LOL". You sound like a tween
I can confirm Bieber is hawt lol jk bai0 -
@#$* that @#$(. Are you seriously reducing men to nothing more than animals incapable of mediating their instinctive behavior?! Sexism works both ways, you know.you were showing vulnerability and submissiveness with downcast eyes. The wolves will go after the weak. Why are you taking power away from yourself and then being surprised when men pounce on it? That's their nature. Put your head up, make eye contact, speak with your eyes that you don't take sh** from anyone. They won't mess with you then.
Seriously, that's victim-blaming at its finest. I do those assertive behaviors, and I find I don't have trouble, but that doesn't mean that someone who doesn't deserves to be preyed upon.0 -
I've become more afraid of this topic than the OP was of the guys wolf whistling.
HOLY TRAINWRECK, BATMAN!
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I feel like we are getting very off topic.
On topic, what those men did was not sexism.
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it wasn't rape either
I'd rape you with my eyes
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But there's no rape culture. :huh:I feel like we are getting very off topic.
On topic, what those men did was not sexism.
/thread
it wasn't rape either
I'd rape you with my eyes0 -
But there's no rape culture. :huh:I feel like we are getting very off topic.
On topic, what those men did was not sexism.
/thread
it wasn't rape either
I'd rape you with my eyes
How is that rape culture? You guys are seriously blowing my mind in this thread lol
If I made a joke to my friend saying "say that to my face and not online and see what happens" am I promoting assault culture? Or maybe harassment culture? Possibly a mix of the two?0 -
But there's no rape culture. :huh:I feel like we are getting very off topic.
On topic, what those men did was not sexism.
/thread
it wasn't rape either
I'd rape you with my eyes
How is that rape culture? You guys are seriously blowing my mind in this thread lol
If I made a joke to my friend saying "say that to my face and not online and see what happens" am I promoting assault culture?
If I jokingly told whoha I was going to kill him, would I be promoting murder culture?0 -
I don't find joking about rape acceptable in any way; I don't think you'll find many people who have been raped who do. But I guess my lack of a sense of humor on this topic is my problem, not yours.
I've made my serious point here, which I see now was a fool's errand. I'll take off my serious hat now and go back derp-hunting elsewhere.0 -
But there's no rape culture. :huh:I feel like we are getting very off topic.
On topic, what those men did was not sexism.
/thread
it wasn't rape either
I'd rape you with my eyes
How is that rape culture? You guys are seriously blowing my mind in this thread lol
If I made a joke to my friend saying "say that to my face and not online and see what happens" am I promoting assault culture?
If I jokingly told whoha I was going to kill him, would I be promoting murder culture?
If I told wisi i loved him would I be promoting love culture?
no I'd be promoting homosexual culture.
love you bb0 -
But there's no rape culture. :huh:I feel like we are getting very off topic.
On topic, what those men did was not sexism.
/thread
it wasn't rape either
I'd rape you with my eyes
How is that rape culture? You guys are seriously blowing my mind in this thread lol
If I made a joke to my friend saying "say that to my face and not online and see what happens" am I promoting assault culture?
If I jokingly told whoha I was going to kill him, would I be promoting murder culture?
If I told wisi i loved him would I be promoting love culture?
no I'd be promoting homosexual culture.
love you bb
If I wanted to rub on whoha's feet and have him send me pics, would I be promoting fetish culture?0 -
I think it would be a little difficult to get the real numbers for men seeing as under the law a man cannot be raped, so reporting it wouldn't really do anything. I'll be honest I don't know about sexual harassment numbers, but society as a whole pretty much says guys want it so it can't happen.
True enough.
A woman can commit the offence of assault by penetration however. I obviously support the rights of both men and women who have been victims in this regard. It is simply unacceptable.
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So, it couldn't possibly be the case that some dudes are ignorant about what constitutes explicit, affirmative consent and would not benefit from being educated that consent is never implied, or that consent cannot be given by someone who is impaired by alcohol or drugs? OK. Carry on then.I don't think anyone needs to be taught not to rape lol do you think someone would be raping people for years, then hear someone say "no dude rape is bad you shouldn't do that" and they'd be like "really? guess I'll stop". And this whole thought that there is a culture that promotes rape completely blows my mind. Rapists are criminals. That's it.
date rape. drunk rape. drugs rape.0 -
this^I feel like we are getting very off topic.
On topic, what those men did was not sexism.
/thread
it wasn't rape either
agreed very off topic. mostly because the topic was unclear or overstepping to begin with. where or where is OP to clear this all up?
what is that thing called when someone starts a topic that can get out of hand and then sits back and lulz?0 -
So, it couldn't possibly be the case that some dudes are ignorant about what constitutes explicit, affirmative consent and would not benefit from being educated that consent is never implied, or that consent cannot be given by someone who is impaired by alcohol or drugs? OK. Carry on then.I don't think anyone needs to be taught not to rape lol do you think someone would be raping people for years, then hear someone say "no dude rape is bad you shouldn't do that" and they'd be like "really? guess I'll stop". And this whole thought that there is a culture that promotes rape completely blows my mind. Rapists are criminals. That's it.
date rape. drunk rape. drugs rape.
As I said before. If both parties are equally intoxicated, all blame falls on the man and he can be charged with rape, even if she consented while drunk. This is where things get ridiculous. And I'm in no way saying that rape or date rape or anything like that are ok, but the double standards are out of hand.0 -
this^I feel like we are getting very off topic.
On topic, what those men did was not sexism.
/thread
it wasn't rape either
agreed very off topic. mostly because the topic was unclear or overstepping to begin with. where or where is OP to clear this all up?
what is that thing called when someone starts a topic that can get out of hand and then sits back and lulz?
It's called
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So, it couldn't possibly be the case that some dudes are ignorant about what constitutes explicit, affirmative consent and would not benefit from being educated that consent is never implied, or that consent cannot be given by someone who is impaired by alcohol or drugs? OK. Carry on then.I don't think anyone needs to be taught not to rape lol do you think someone would be raping people for years, then hear someone say "no dude rape is bad you shouldn't do that" and they'd be like "really? guess I'll stop". And this whole thought that there is a culture that promotes rape completely blows my mind. Rapists are criminals. That's it.
date rape. drunk rape. drugs rape.
As I said before. If both parties are equally intoxicated, all blame falls on the man and he can be charged with rape, even if she consented while drunk. This is where things get ridiculous. And I'm in no way saying that rape or date rape or anything like that are ok, but the double standards are out of hand.
I'm going to have to side with him on this, and I'm a woman.0 -
If only there were some way we could, oh, I don't know, *teach* people that if she (or he) was drunk/drugged, she (or he) didn't give affirmative consent! If only there were some way of combating these ridiculous double standards! http://www.doctornerdlove.com/2013/03/enthusiastic-consent/
So, it couldn't possibly be the case that some dudes are ignorant about what constitutes explicit, affirmative consent and would not benefit from being educated that consent is never implied, or that consent cannot be given by someone who is impaired by alcohol or drugs? OK. Carry on then.I don't think anyone needs to be taught not to rape lol do you think someone would be raping people for years, then hear someone say "no dude rape is bad you shouldn't do that" and they'd be like "really? guess I'll stop". And this whole thought that there is a culture that promotes rape completely blows my mind. Rapists are criminals. That's it.
date rape. drunk rape. drugs rape.
As I said before. If both parties are equally intoxicated, all blame falls on the man and he can be charged with rape, even if she consented while drunk. This is where things get ridiculous. And I'm in no way saying that rape or date rape or anything like that are ok, but the double standards are out of hand.0
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