Are we all..sexist?

Does romance mean strong man rescuing weak girl or something? What does romance have to do with it?

You said," It's very tough to find two women interacting with each other on a movie or TV screen about something other than a man, and the vast majority of female-led pop songs are either directly about a man or about how empowered the singer is without a man. Women are defined in our society by their romantic value to men. "


I thought you were refering to chicflicks and romantic storylines. I was just pointing out that that's in alot of our movies.. just because we are romantic/relational creatures... and it just is.

I'm talking about all media. Look up the Bechdel Test.

Wikipedia version okay?

Do you think its funny to not use solid sources to formulate your world view?

Does romance mean strong man rescuing weak girl or something? What does romance have to do with it?

You said," It's very tough to find two women interacting with each other on a movie or TV screen about something other than a man, and the vast majority of female-led pop songs are either directly about a man or about how empowered the singer is without a man. Women are defined in our society by their romantic value to men. "


I thought you were refering to chicflicks and romantic storylines. I was just pointing out that that's in alot of our movies.. just because we are romantic/relational creatures... and it just is.

I'm talking about all media. Look up the Bechdel Test.

Wikipedia version okay?

Do you think its funny to not use solid sources to formulate your world view?

Maybe... but it's still forming the way that we and our children think about men. I remember when I was 5, my mom couldn't fit my ken doll in the front of my barbie car... so she said.. well men can't drive anyway and told me that he needed to sit in the passenger side. For YEARS I really thought all men were terrible drivers.

That's silly, but if little things like that have an effect on our mind... how much greater effects does seeing it in television and media EVERYDAY?

It's not that women don't have legit struggles... but its that men's aren't brought to light near as much.
The world is worried that women are being photoshopped and this is a huge deal because it's changing the way we see beauty but aren't men photoshopped too?

http://youtu.be/9wbTX49padE

Does romance mean strong man rescuing weak girl or something? What does romance have to do with it?

You said," It's very tough to find two women interacting with each other on a movie or TV screen about something other than a man, and the vast majority of female-led pop songs are either directly about a man or about how empowered the singer is without a man. Women are defined in our society by their romantic value to men. "


I thought you were refering to chicflicks and romantic storylines. I was just pointing out that that's in alot of our movies.. just because we are romantic/relational creatures... and it just is.

I'm talking about all media. Look up the Bechdel Test.

Wikipedia version okay?

Do you think its funny to not use solid sources to formulate your world view?

Do you have anything to add? At all? Do you have a different definition of feminism that you would like to argue? Wikipedia was just the fastest link.. You asked that I define the way I am using the word feminism... wikipedia does a good job doing that. If you have another, I'll hear it.

Does romance mean strong man rescuing weak girl or something? What does romance have to do with it?

You said," It's very tough to find two women interacting with each other on a movie or TV screen about something other than a man, and the vast majority of female-led pop songs are either directly about a man or about how empowered the singer is without a man. Women are defined in our society by their romantic value to men. "


I thought you were refering to chicflicks and romantic storylines. I was just pointing out that that's in alot of our movies.. just because we are romantic/relational creatures... and it just is.

I'm talking about all media. Look up the Bechdel Test.

Wikipedia version okay?

Do you think its funny to not use solid sources to formulate your world view?

Pot kettle black. lol

Um, have I provided to you or anyone else the source material for my views and understanding of the world? No. I have not. You have likely made assumptions, meanwhile decrying peer reviewed studies from reputable sources in favor of youtube videos.

The videos have sources and reason, something pseudo-intellectual feminists are not use to. Back to Jezebel.com from whence you came! lol

Yep, let's see those true colors.

Does romance mean strong man rescuing weak girl or something? What does romance have to do with it?

You said," It's very tough to find two women interacting with each other on a movie or TV screen about something other than a man, and the vast majority of female-led pop songs are either directly about a man or about how empowered the singer is without a man. Women are defined in our society by their romantic value to men. "


I thought you were refering to chicflicks and romantic storylines. I was just pointing out that that's in alot of our movies.. just because we are romantic/relational creatures... and it just is.

I'm talking about all media. Look up the Bechdel Test.

Wikipedia version okay?

Do you think its funny to not use solid sources to formulate your world view?

Pot kettle black. lol

Um, have I provided to you or anyone else the source material for my views and understanding of the world? No. I have not. You have likely made assumptions, meanwhile decrying peer reviewed studies from reputable sources in favor of youtube videos.

The videos have sources and reason, something pseudo-intellectual feminists are not use to. Back to Jezebel.com from whence you came! lol

Yep, let's see those true colors.

Yes, your sources and proof are solid alright:

Let's take a look at them, here they are:

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Sure, you get special treatment. And you also get crapped on. It's all in how you look at things.

The women probably got hired because they could pay them less. Or, if they were truly "eye candy," I'm willing to bet that it's not going to be a very pleasant work environment for them. You can only be called "honey" so many times before it starts to stick in your craw.

People are often more courteous to women, because of the old-fashioned ideas of chivalry. But that only goes so far.

Does romance mean strong man rescuing weak girl or something? What does romance have to do with it?

You said," It's very tough to find two women interacting with each other on a movie or TV screen about something other than a man, and the vast majority of female-led pop songs are either directly about a man or about how empowered the singer is without a man. Women are defined in our society by their romantic value to men. "


I thought you were refering to chicflicks and romantic storylines. I was just pointing out that that's in alot of our movies.. just because we are romantic/relational creatures... and it just is.

I'm talking about all media. Look up the Bechdel Test.

Wikipedia version okay?

Do you think its funny to not use solid sources to formulate your world view?

Pot kettle black. lol

Um, have I provided to you or anyone else the source material for my views and understanding of the world? No. I have not. You have likely made assumptions, meanwhile decrying peer reviewed studies from reputable sources in favor of youtube videos.

The videos have sources and reason, something pseudo-intellectual feminists are not use to. Back to Jezebel.com from whence you came! lol

Yep, let's see those true colors.

Yes, your sources and proof are solid alright:

Let's take a look at them, here they are:

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I haven't made a statement that needed sources. I haven't argued that something is right or wrong.

I asked you a question that you can't seem to answer.

So if you want to talk about nothing, let's talk about your non-response.

Does romance mean strong man rescuing weak girl or something? What does romance have to do with it?

You said," It's very tough to find two women interacting with each other on a movie or TV screen about something other than a man, and the vast majority of female-led pop songs are either directly about a man or about how empowered the singer is without a man. Women are defined in our society by their romantic value to men. "


I thought you were refering to chicflicks and romantic storylines. I was just pointing out that that's in alot of our movies.. just because we are romantic/relational creatures... and it just is.

I'm talking about all media. Look up the Bechdel Test.

Wikipedia version okay?

Do you think its funny to not use solid sources to formulate your world view?

Pot kettle black. lol

Um, have I provided to you or anyone else the source material for my views and understanding of the world? No. I have not. You have likely made assumptions, meanwhile decrying peer reviewed studies from reputable sources in favor of youtube videos.

The videos have sources and reason, something pseudo-intellectual feminists are not use to. Back to Jezebel.com from whence you came! lol

Yep, let's see those true colors.

Yes, your sources and proof are solid alright:

Let's take a look at them, here they are:

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I haven't made a statement that needed sources. I haven't argued that something is right or wrong.

I asked you a question that you can't seem to answer.

So if you want to talk about nothing, let's talk about your non-response.

I responded to you, and even linked to a study in this thread many comments back. You desperately want to see a world fraught with sexism against women. That is your bias and your ideology - it's the type of skewed world view common amongst feminists - where sexism is omnipresent.

And yet I never said any of those things in this thread and have actually referenced men facing their own set of challenges and that the struggles of one doesn't negate the struggles of the other.

Funny how you think you can speak for me though.

Feminism: the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men. -Dictionary.com

This is what you would call nebulous. What does equality even mean? How does creating rape culture mythology, the pathetic phoney wage gap, constantly pushing bad statistics on rape and domestic violence, creating illegal protests, or asinine sexual objectification theory fit into equality?

Simple, it doesn't.

Let's look at another nebulous definition now:

Rape: the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.

Many states have their own definition of rape, even the FBI recently changed their definition on what rape is, but popular usage from common dictionaries tells us everything we need to know on wehat rape is *eyes roll*. I linked a video explaining this simple concept.

Feminism: the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men. -Dictionary.com

This is what you would call nebulous. What does equality even mean? How does creating rape culture mythology, the pathetic phoney wage gap, constantly pushing bad statistics on rape and domestic violence, creating illegal protests, or asinine sexual objectification theory fit into equality?

Simple, it doesn't.

Let's look at another nebulous definition now:

Rape: the unlawful compelling of a person through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.

Many states have their own definition of rape, even the FBI recently changed their definition on what rape is, but popular usage from common dictionaries tells us everything we need to know on wehat rape is *eyes roll*. I linked a video explaining this simple concept.

Have you ever been, or known a woman who has been, raped? Do you go around questioning sexual assault victims as to the validity of their claims to make sure it was a legit rape and that it wasn't some nebulous pseudo-definition of unwanted sex? This post makes makes me sick. Legit sick.

Have you ever been, or known a woman who has been, raped? Do you go around questioning sexual assault victims as to the validity of their claims to make sure it was a legit rape and that it wasn't some nebulous pseudo-definition of unwanted sex? This post makes makes me sick. Legit sick.

Mmmmk...?

Honestly, why does the individual list matter?

We are working out of a tradition that established that men were to be strong, powerful, and non emotional and women to be hysterical, weak and defenseless. That hasn't worked out well for anyone. But the reason it hasn't worked out isn't because feminists swooped in and suddenly made a fair game unfair.

So one of my guy friends is starting to hate women because he thinks that everyone treats women so much better than guys. What do you guys think?

I have a couple examples that he gave me..
1. He's been going on job interviews as well, they were about to hire him until a lesser qualified piece of eye candy came into the picture and got the job instead..this happened to him twice.
2. We were at a Spanish deli and we both ordered chicken, rice, and beans. They asked me what part of the chicken I wanted and they didn't ask him. Afterwards he points it out. I told him he should've let them know..he said he was being quiet to prove a point that women are always treated better than men. (Side note a third friend who usually goes to that deli says that they treat you better of you're a woman or speak Spanish so maybe it's based on the place..)

Do you think we as a society are sexist???

Oh yeah, women get treated so much better than men! Let me list the ways:
-rape culture
-most women can't walk outside at night for fear of being raped (1 in every 6 American women have been the victim of attempted/complete rape in her lifetime)
-we can't get drunk at bars/clubs for, again, fear of being raped
-when we are raped we're blamed for leading men on
-we can't dress provocatively 'cause then we're *kitten* deserving of rape
-women still make less than men (77 cents to a man's dollar) in the US. Never mind other countries where it's devastating less
-women in the workforce are generally considered to have "slept their way to the top"
-women in the work place are constantly coddled, underestimated, and dismissed regardless of their ability
-women often lose high ranking positions to men despite being of equal/more qualified
-if a woman has sex before marriage she's ruined, not to mention, y'know, a *kitten*
-if a woman gets pregnant before marriage it's entirely her fault for not closing her legs
-women who'd rather a career than raise children are looked down upon and considered selfish
-women are constantly verbally/emotionally/physically assaulted and we're expected to grin and bear it (street/car calling, wolf whistling, butt slapping, etc)
-women are expected to marry at a certain age otherwise there's something wrong with them
-women are expected to have children otherwise there's something wrong with them
-women can't even serve their country because the level of sexism and misogyny is the army/military is atrocious
-women are expected to be rack thin and dolled up because otherwise we're ugly and plain and lazy
-women can't sleep around, admit to masturbating, or discuss sex without being considered a *kitten*
-women are continuously sexually objectified by everyone, but particularly the entertainment industry
-women who bring these things to light and try to change things (feminists, womanists, etc) are called all number of things, such as: *kitten*, crazies, femi-nazis, radicals, etc. the word "feminist" carries so many negative connotations despite the fact that feminists are the ones who helped us get this far
-abortion and birth control. enough said.
-to a lot of people our worth amounts to how much leg and cleavage we show, and how attractive we are
-the worst insults you could give a man is apparently calling him gay (which, to a lot of people, is synonymous with being girly) or comparing him to a girl
-ETC, ETC, ETC (because I could seriously go on and on and on and on and on)

And that's only in the USA.


Here ya go. So the next time your friend whines about how hard he has it there's a list you can shove at him.


(BTW: I'm fully aware that gender expectations goes both ways. I could easily make a list of the ways men are mistreated and discriminated against because of stupid social constructs, if anyone would like. It probably wouldn't be as long, but it wouldn't be short, either.)