"Girl" Pushups????
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We were always taught the same thing. And it makes sense to do so. Hardly any girls in elementary can do a single full push up. Sort of hard to create any method of testing when none of them can complete a single repetition.
Citation, please. Or are you just making things up to suit your argument?0 -
When I was growing up I was always told that I could never do what a boy can do, that's why girls don't play baseball or football. It was why as a kid I was never active. I wanted to do what the boys did but since I can't then I wont.
I am so hoping my future daughter wants to play football one day so I can reset the balance lol0 -
@rml_16 -- Same here. My daughter is a personal trainer. She has everyone do "regular pushups" and those new can start with "girl pushups" even the guys. They just don't call them that because the world has gone word mad. After my hernia, I wimpered..'get now I have to do girl pushups." In 1978, we were told to do the harder ones if we could. EVERYONE. Not just the girls. So, I would imagine it is the teacher's option. We have a lot of home school kids. We teach the goal is to advance or even start right away with the regular push up.0
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I am having the same issue here! I was very surprised to see they can not get their bodies off the floor. We start with the simple for them and let them know the goal is to get to five and then advance to the regular push up! That is what drew me to this conversation in the first place. Some are still "trying" to get to five! Just simply no body strength. The guys though, without any training, can pump out regular push ups. We are talking age range between 14 to 19! I would think they could just pump them out at that age, but not in a sedentary lifestyle common to kids today.0
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Oh Heelllllll no! I would be calling that as'shole and telling him that I don't appreciate his attempts to indoctrinate the future generations in sexist bullshi t.
I love how you jumped right in and made the gy, teacher a male when it specifically states in the OP:Her: "You know! A girl pushup! The teacher said that boys and girls do different kinds of pushups and we can get extra credit tomorrow if we show her that we know how to do a girl pushup."
Sexist pig!
That's because everyone knows that all sexism comes from males.
Duh.
Everybody knows that.
Girls are sugar and spice and everything nice. :AngelicEmoticonMFPReallyNeedsToGet:
Didn't you read as a kid? Geez...
Hey! I'm on your side!!!
So shut up and get back in the...
...uh...
...other room.
Sorry, jof...let me make you a conciliatory sammich!0 -
For all those in doubt that kids cannot do push ups in school, go to the gym teacher and ask....These kids today are not in shape.
To call that sexist is sad.I have been exercising with kids since my mother opened her first day care center and home school.
If you do not believe those that are stating kids cannot do push ups, instead of insulting and calling the person making a post a sexist... GO TO THE SCHOOL and check out kids that have NO PE!
The movie WALL·E | Disney Movies is not joking about what is happening to people's bodies today.
So... rather than insult or demand those of us that have experience with children being out shape, do your own research. Go have a few children without PE in elementary school. or even sad to say higher grades, do a few push ups for you.
And YES ... girls are worse. I will take a video next time I have a few over 18 over. The boys triple the girls in reps of nearly ever exercise - and none of them practice outside their times here despite encouragement.
It is so sad seeing pre-teen children going to my daughter's personal studio unable to do the basics. I LOVE PE and wish it was in every school at least three times a week. A home-school parents really need to include it for their children's overall well being.0 -
I'm sure that the majority of the ladies (girls) on here would certainly show me a thing or two on how to do a (boys) press-up.
I would like to try and stir it up and call you all weak girly girls but it would be very embarrassing for me, should we ever have a press-up off.0 -
Honestly I never heard of such non-sense in my school growing up. The gym teacher always had the boys and girls do same activity whether it was basketball or volleyball or push-ups and sit-ups. If a male or female could not do lets say push-ups then the teacher would tell then to do half-ups. I never heard the terms mentioned in here ever used , there is no exercise thats labeled "girl-push-ups" I never heard such stupidity in my life.0
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I am a very strong women. I could bet the boys in every leg wrestling and arm wrestling match until they reach puberty. I can still beat them in leg wrestling. I won the arm hang in junior high school. I do construction right along my husband. I am in better shape than my husband overall.
However, I am weaker than the men. That is not being sexist. That is reality.
They can lift drywall alone. It takes two of us strong girls.
Hands down. Men are amazingly stronger than women in general. There are the ones of us that are stronger than others, but over all men are stronger. That is not sexist That is reality. To teach we are equal in strength is a lie to this and the next generation. It puts an undo stress on the children to measure up. We were tearing out a wall yesterday, (myself, my daughter, and a younger female friend). We did everything our strength could do. A man walked in.. we all three happily stepped back to have him get the board we could not get out without a saw. The thank yous and great timing were mentioned, and we continued without him for the rest of the project. He was able to do it alone. We could not do it with three of us (without a tool). He was our tool !
We need to stop diluting our girls they are equal to men in physical strength. Madison yelled, "I did that like a man." when one of the sections came out. I laughed so hard. I told her she did it beautifully.. like a women. I assured them both we are all doing a fabulous job, but men could have completed the task with much less time an effort. Regardless, we are women and we did terrific, so why compare! She still did her muscle pose. She is 14 and already has the stupid comparison garbage that I did not have to deal with when I was young. I was strong.. for ME. I worked hard for me. I was not compared to my extraordinarily stronger brother or my much much weaker and fragile sister. This we are equal in things we are not equal in nonsense is damaging our children of this generation mentally and emotionally. 0 -
However, I am weaker than the men. That is not being sexist. That is reality.
A pushup is a body weight exercise. It isn't the same as lifting drywall. "Weaker" is a relative term and really has no place in this discussion because this teacher isn't saying a girl can't bench 1,000 pounds and a boy can. She's telling girls they CANNOT and SHOULD NOT even TRY doing a regular pushup.
That absolutely is sexist and wrong.0 -
For those of you missing what is sexist about labeling assisted, or modified, push-ups "girl push-ups", please allow me to break it down for you.
1. No one is debating that males, on average, have greater explosive muscular strength and endurance than their female counterparts. There is empirical evidence to support this.
2. Males, on average, having greater explosive muscular strength and endurance does not affect whether or not females can perform full push-ups.
3. Your anecdotal evidence of school-aged females' ability to perform full push-ups is just that... anecdotal. Cite fitness benchmarks from a credible source.
4. Assigning the term "girl" to modified push-ups is bad for both genders, not just females. It establishes that females should operate in a diminished capacity and it establishes that males whom cannot perform full push-ups are not entitled to their male gender identity.0 -
Thats awesome! Go Mom!0
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For those of you missing what is sexist about labeling assisted, or modified, push-ups "girl push-ups", please allow me to break it down for you.
1. No one is debating that males, on average, have greater explosive muscular strength and endurance than their female counterparts. There is empirical evidence to support this.
2. Males, on average, having greater explosive muscular strength and endurance does not affect whether or not females can perform full push-ups.
3. Your anecdotal evidence of school-aged females' ability to perform full push-ups is just that... anecdotal. Cite fitness benchmarks from a credible source.
4. Assigning the term "girl" to modified push-ups is bad for both genders, not just females. It establishes that females should operate in a diminished capacity and it establishes that males whom cannot perform full push-ups are not entitled to their male gender identity.
End of Thread.0 -
For those of you missing what is sexist about labeling assisted, or modified, push-ups "girl push-ups", please allow me to break it down for you.
1. No one is debating that males, on average, have greater explosive muscular strength and endurance than their female counterparts. There is empirical evidence to support this.
2. Males, on average, having greater explosive muscular strength and endurance does not affect whether or not females can perform full push-ups.
3. Your anecdotal evidence of school-aged females' ability to perform full push-ups is just that... anecdotal. Cite fitness benchmarks from a credible source.
4. Assigning the term "girl" to modified push-ups is bad for both genders, not just females. It establishes that females should operate in a diminished capacity and it establishes that males whom cannot perform full push-ups are not entitled to their male gender identity.
End of Thread.
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You linked an abstract that supported you in one determination only: that boys performed better than girls in the areas of aerobic fitness, strength, speed and agility while girls performed better in the areas of balance and flexibility. Nowhere, in the cited documentation, is there anything to confirm your half-baked claim that "most girls between the ages of 5 and 12 years old can't do a full push-up". Even were that true, it is still not okay to refer to an assisted, or modified, push-up as a "girl push-up". It negatively impacts individuals of both genders, a point which has been made by numerous posters in this thread.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22561975
The assisted push up is used in schools for strength testing purposes once every few months. Not as strength training. There may be exceptions based on PE teacher preferences, but this is true in most schools.The test would be worthless if the majority of girls were unable to perform it. Which is reality. Your judo class is obviously a much more physically capable subset.
Reinforcing sexist, stigmatic language because you are too egocentric to recognize your own privilege is not, in fact, "telling it like it is". It's actually doing the opposite. It's refusing to take into account myriad factors and the individual, as well as institutional, experiences of others and substituting your own "reality" in lieu of them.
Delusions
You're debating factors and causation. That's irrelevant when creating testing methodology. Up to 30% (google this) of children, male and female, can't complete a single pushup. The number is worse for females. You can't create a decent study showing strength over time for a large subset of children if 30 or 40% of them are only doing 1-2 reps. The assisted pushup is needed in the testing.
Sure, call it assisted pushup instead. That's not what I was arguing and you know it. Or you just entirely missed the point. It would have also been nice if you scrolled up and read what I quoted. You did not,0 -
Up to 30% (google this) of children, male and female, can't complete a single pushup.
You're making this claim. You google it and post the link.
I don't believe it for a second, especially that more girls than boys can't complete a single pushup.
Not because I don't think men overall are stronger. They are. But this is a body weight exercise and subjective.0 -
Up to 30% (google this) of children, male and female, can't complete a single pushup.
You're making this claim. You google it and post the link.
I don't believe it for a second, especially that more girls than boys can't complete a single pushup.
Not because I don't think men overall are stronger. They are. But this is a body weight exercise and subjective.
Except that the bodyweights for these weakest 30% children are nearly the same between genders. They can't do the pushups because they're overweight, according to the PE teachers.
And no, I'm on my phone and have no desire to google again for you and post links. If you want it, you can find it. I have nothing to prove and no investment in this ridiculous thread.0 -
Up to 30% (google this) of children, male and female, can't complete a single pushup.
You're making this claim. You google it and post the link.
I don't believe it for a second, especially that more girls than boys can't complete a single pushup.
Not because I don't think men overall are stronger. They are. But this is a body weight exercise and subjective.
Except that the bodyweights for these weakest 30% children are nearly the same between genders. They can't do the pushups because they're overweight, according to the PE teachers.
For fun, I googled "30% of children can't do a single pushup" and got exactly nothing that supports your claim.0 -
And no, I'm on my phone and have no desire to google again for you and post links. If you want it, you can find it. I have nothing to prove and no investment in this ridiculous thread.
Then why do you keep coming back and saying such ridiculous things?0 -
Up to 30% (google this) of children, male and female, can't complete a single pushup.
You're making this claim. You google it and post the link.
I don't believe it for a second, especially that more girls than boys can't complete a single pushup.
Not because I don't think men overall are stronger. They are. But this is a body weight exercise and subjective.
Except that the bodyweights for these weakest 30% children are nearly the same between genders. They can't do the pushups because they're overweight, according to the PE teachers.
For fun, I googled "30% of children can't do a single pushup" and got exactly nothing that supports your claim.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/health/nutrition/11well.html?_r=0
Here's one showing 50% of male children and 75% of female children meet pushup targets (this is more than one pushup of course, I know)
The 30% stats are in some other articles that I don't remember what I googled to find. But the above study illustrates my original point well.
And I'm done. Every point I made on the last page was in response to ONE person who claimed prepubescent strength levels should be the same between genders. My quote was in response to her, not the OP or any other claim.0 -
The entire point of the original post was that coining assisted, or modified, push-ups "girl-push-ups" was inappropriate due to its sexist and defeatist nature. You argued, vehemently, that it was "not sexist" and that "reality bites". You misinterpreted the data in the medical journal that you linked to support a straw man argument about the overall fitness of school-aged children, but made sure to remind us that females performed more poorly than males.Delusions
You're debating factors and causation. That's irrelevant when creating testing methodology. Up to 30% (google this) of children, male and female, can't complete a single pushup. The number is worse for females. You can't create a decent study showing strength over time for a large subset of children if 30 or 40% of them are only doing 1-2 reps. The assisted pushup is needed in the testing.
Sure, call it assisted pushup instead. That's not what I was arguing and you know it. Or you just entirely missed the point.
Busting out numbers means nothing if you cannot cite a source and explain why it is relevant to the discussion. Here's mine:
http://www.exrx.net/Testing/YouthNorms.html
Why is it relevant? Because it shows that females, aged 5 to 17 years old, are performing full push-ups and multiple repetitions. You can find the website credentials on their About page.
Finally, the overall fitness of school-aged children does not pertain to the original topic. Stop bringing that up as though it's relevant. It's not.
TLDR: Just because you cannot follow someone else's logic does not mean that they are delusional.0 -
The entire point of the original post was that coining assisted, or modified, push-ups "girl-push-ups" was inappropriate due to its sexist and defeatist nature. You argued, vehemently, that it was "not sexist" and that "reality bites". You misinterpreted the data in the medical journal that you linked to support a straw man argument about the overall fitness of school-aged children, but made sure to remind us that females performed more poorly than males.Delusions
You're debating factors and causation. That's irrelevant when creating testing methodology. Up to 30% (google this) of children, male and female, can't complete a single pushup. The number is worse for females. You can't create a decent study showing strength over time for a large subset of children if 30 or 40% of them are only doing 1-2 reps. The assisted pushup is needed in the testing.
Sure, call it assisted pushup instead. That's not what I was arguing and you know it. Or you just entirely missed the point.
Busting out numbers means nothing if you cannot cite a source and explain why it is relevant to the discussion. Here's mine:
http://www.exrx.net/Testing/YouthNorms.html
Why is it relevant? Because it shows that females, aged 5 to 7 years old, are performing full push-ups and multiple repetitions. You can find the website credentials on their About page.
TLDR: Just because you cannot follow someone else's logic does not mean that they are delusional. Also, cite a source.
No, once again. Reading comprehension. I replied to a woman who stated strength levels between prepubescent males and females should be the same. A very different point than you are arguing0 -
Up to 30% (google this) of children, male and female, can't complete a single pushup.
You're making this claim. You google it and post the link.
I don't believe it for a second, especially that more girls than boys can't complete a single pushup.
Not because I don't think men overall are stronger. They are. But this is a body weight exercise and subjective.
Except that the bodyweights for these weakest 30% children are nearly the same between genders. They can't do the pushups because they're overweight, according to the PE teachers.
For fun, I googled "30% of children can't do a single pushup" and got exactly nothing that supports your claim.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/health/nutrition/11well.html?_r=0
"In a 2001 study, researchers at East Carolina University administered push-up tests to about 70 students ages 10 to 13. Almost half the boys and three-quarters of the girls didn’t pass."
A 12-year-old study that says NOWHERE that the children couldn't do a single pushup. It's also testing middle-schoolers who have reached puberty, not younger children who are more evenly matched.
The teacher in the OP told the girls that they must do different pushups from the boys. That is ridiculous. Nothing you have asserted refutes that stance.0 -
Finally, the overall fitness of school-aged children does not pertain to the original topic. Stop bringing that up as though it's relevant. It's not.
Ahh,. clearly you did not read the quote chain I originally posted and you blasted me after. The overall fitness was what was being discussed, and NOT the original topic. You're arguing apples and oranges.
You misread the conversation and blasted me for something entirely separate.0 -
You're scaring me!0
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Finally, the overall fitness of school-aged children does not pertain to the original topic. Stop bringing that up as though it's relevant. It's not.
Ahh,. clearly you did not read the quote chain I originally posted and you blasted me after. The overall fitness was what was being discussed, and NOT the original topic. You're arguing apples and oranges.
You misread the conversation and blasted me for something entirely separate.
You made two posts before I finally decided to respond. The first of which was this gem:
Calling it a "girl push up" is sexist. It assumes we are the weaker sex and incapable of doing a regular push up. It totally insults women.
Reality bites.
Women are the weaker sex physically. And very few girls ages 5-12 can do a single push up. Recognizing reality is not sexist.
Maybe it could be called something other than a girl push up. But everyone would still know what it refers to.
In your response here, you made sweeping generalizations and completely unfounded statements. You then went on to link a medical journal article that was not relevant to the sexist nature of deeming modified push-ups "girl push-ups". I simply addressed both your crappy "reality bites" attitude about sexism and your misinterpretation of the medical journal article, as well as pointed out its complete and utter irrelevance to the topic of the discussion.
Okay, so you've determined that "Women are the weaker sex." (presumably overall) based upon the fact that men have greater explosive muscular strength and endurance.
Scientific American says you're wrong. (The following link is relevant to you being wrong about women being the "weaker" sex.)
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-men-the-weaker-sex/
Finally, you haven't been blasted, you've been corrected. Your reading comprehension is severely lacking, but I didn't feel the need to be patronizing. I'm sorry you've felt the need to be. It doesn't, however, make you right.0 -
In your response here, you made sweeping generalizations and completely unfounded statements. You then went on to link a medical journal article that was not relevant to the sexist nature of deeming modified push-ups "girl push-ups". I simply addressed both your crappy "reality bites" attitude about sexism and your misinterpretation of the medical journal article, as well as pointed out it's complete and utter irrelevance to the topic of the thread.
Okay, so you've determined that "Women are the weaker sex." (presumably overall) based upon the fact that men have greater explosive muscular strength and endurance.
Scientific American says you're wrong. (The following link is relevant to you being wrong about women being the "weaker" sex.)
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-men-the-weaker-sex/
Finally, you haven't been blasted, you've been corrected. Your reading comprehension is severely lacking, but I didn't feel the need to be patronizing. I'm sorry you've felt the need to be. It doesn't, however, make you right.
Again, you failed to read the context. The linked study on strength levels in prepubescent strength levels was in response to someone speaking about her judo class and that prepubescent children should have the same level of strength because men haven't hit puberty yet. That is all my link addressed. It was 100% relevant to the discussion. A discussion entirely separate from what you're discussing.
The irony of your post is fantastic0 -
Okay, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. If you say that's all your link was intending to address, that's fine. That's not sexist. The statement(s) that you made prior to that post? Sexist. Incorrect. Proven invalid numerous times in this thread since you made them.Again, you failed to read the context. The linked study on strength levels in prepubescent strength levels was in response to someone speaking about her judo class and that prepubescent children should have the same level of strength because men haven't hit puberty yet. That is all my linked addressed.
The irony of your post is fantastic0 -
Up to 30% (google this) of children, male and female, can't complete a single pushup.
You're making this claim. You google it and post the link.
I don't believe it for a second, especially that more girls than boys can't complete a single pushup.
Not because I don't think men overall are stronger. They are. But this is a body weight exercise and subjective.
Except that the bodyweights for these weakest 30% children are nearly the same between genders. They can't do the pushups because they're overweight, according to the PE teachers.
For fun, I googled "30% of children can't do a single pushup" and got exactly nothing that supports your claim.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/11/health/nutrition/11well.html?_r=0
Here's one showing 50% of male children and 75% of female children meet pushup targets (this is more than one pushup of course, I know)
The 30% stats are in some other articles that I don't remember what I googled to find. But the above study illustrates my original point well.
And I'm done. Every point I made on the last page was in response to ONE person who claimed prepubescent strength levels should be the same between genders. My quote was in response to her, not the OP or any other claim.
It's not a question of what percentage of boys and girls in the USA or wherever can currently do push-ups or other exercises. I don't doubt that in an average class, boys will perform better on average than girls.... the question you need to ask is whether that's a fundamental biological difference or the result of girls being told (implicitly and explicitly) that they're not as strong as boys and never will be.
What percentage of boys are involved in sports compared to girls? How many boys are told that they're fundamentally weaker than 50% of the population and won't be able to achieve what they can? There's no physiological reason for pre-pubescent kids to have such big differences in what they can achieve in physical activities. Boys don't get their testosterone advantage until puberty. Girls who are encouraged and given the same opportunities to train and develop their skills can compete alongside boys in sports that require strength. I've seen it in judo and in ice hockey. It's only around age 13-14 that girls start seeing a disadvantage due to being female, when everything else is equal. Except everything else is usually not equal... girls are told they're not allowed to play, that they can't play, that those things are for boys, How many girls are encouraged to really push their limits physically compared to boys? That's the issue. And telling girls crap like "you should do push-ups like this because you're girls and you can't do full push-ups" makes that problem worse, not better. I'm glad no-one ever fed me that bull**** when I was a little girl.... I went out there and beat up all the boys before anyone ever told me that I couldn't....
Also, that line of thinking is bad for boys too. When a girl (like me) beats them at judo, or fighting in the playground or can do more push-ups than them, or whatever, there's no shame in that. Yet there's still this whole "you got beat up by a girl" attitude like there's some shame in being beaten by someone who's stronger and more experienced than you are, just because they're female. And quite often they get butthurt over it and call the girl names that are homophobic and calling her gender into question (yep I've been on the receiving end of that) as an ego defence mechanism against the "shame" of being beaten by a girl.... why put kids through that, having their gender (and sexuality in some cases) questioned over a pre-pubescent girl beating a pre-pubescent boy? I never considered any boy that I beat at judo or anything else any less of a male because of it, as I wasn't raised with all that bull in the first place and I'm glad of it. But a lot of kids are, and it's not fair on boys or girls.
I'm not questioning the strength advantage men have from puberty onwards, I could see that for myself when I got to age 13/14... all of a sudden I had to focus a lot more on judo technique when various boys wanted to get revenge on me for beating them up once they got significantly stronger than me :laugh: But pre-puberty, boys don't have that advantage and any statistics like more boys than girls can do full push-ups it's because more girls are out of shape and/or have never been encouraged to try at anything that involves strength.0 -
In your response here, you made sweeping generalizations and completely unfounded statements. You then went on to link a medical journal article that was not relevant to the sexist nature of deeming modified push-ups "girl push-ups". I simply addressed both your crappy "reality bites" attitude about sexism and your misinterpretation of the medical journal article, as well as pointed out it's complete and utter irrelevance to the topic of the thread.
Okay, so you've determined that "Women are the weaker sex." (presumably overall) based upon the fact that men have greater explosive muscular strength and endurance.
Scientific American says you're wrong. (The following link is relevant to you being wrong about women being the "weaker" sex.)
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-men-the-weaker-sex/
Finally, you haven't been blasted, you've been corrected. Your reading comprehension is severely lacking, but I didn't feel the need to be patronizing. I'm sorry you've felt the need to be. It doesn't, however, make you right.
Again, you failed to read the context. The linked study on strength levels in prepubescent strength levels was in response to someone speaking about her judo class and that prepubescent children should have the same level of strength because men haven't hit puberty yet. That is all my link addressed. It was 100% relevant to the discussion. A discussion entirely separate from what you're discussing.
The irony of your post is fantastic
the girls at my judo club = girls who are told that they can and should be able to do full push ups.... 100% of them could
the girls in the average school include all the girls who are not encouraged to do stuff like that.... so it's not surprising that a lot of them couldn't
none of the girls in my judo club were cherry-picked for strength. I didn't grow up in the Soviet Union... none of the kids in my judo club were stronger at the start.... but we were stronger than other kids at school, because we trained...
I also think you're drastically underestimating how much strength gains people of either gender, pre or post puberty can get from the right kind of training............... or you're not considering this at all in this discussion.0
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