Is butter the devil?

That said, the recent much touted by the media meta-analysis showing saturated fat as healthy as unsaturated fat was indeed full of error.

Especially true if one believes saturated fat is bad........like you do.

?? I fail to see how what I believe could be relevant to the study's problems. The study's authors republishing to correct several errors certainly does, though. But shockingly, the mass media didn't give that as much coverage. Some scientists don't think that's enough and are calling for a total retraction.

A link would probably be a nice touch.

Consider yourself nicely touched.

http://news.sciencemag.org/health/2014/03/scientists-fix-errors-controversial-paper-about-saturated-fats

That said, the recent much touted by the media meta-analysis showing saturated fat as healthy as unsaturated fat was indeed full of error.

Especially true if one believes saturated fat is bad........like you do.

?? I fail to see how what I believe could be relevant to the study's problems. The study's authors republishing to correct several errors certainly does, though. But shockingly, the mass media didn't give that as much coverage. Some scientists don't think that's enough and are calling for a total retraction.

A link would probably be a nice touch.

Consider yourself nicely touched.

http://news.sciencemag.org/health/2014/03/scientists-fix-errors-controversial-paper-about-saturated-fats

Hmm. Just from reading that article, I don't see how the changes will much effect the outcome of the meta-analysis. It only mentions a couple of studies that should have been included, but how much would they, or did they change the ultimate conclusion? Perhaps only slightly, depending on the sizes of the studies, we don't know. Or has it been republished?

"The errors "demonstrate shoddy research and make one wonder whether there are more that haven't been detected," writes Jim Mann, a researcher at the University of Otago, Dunedin, in New Zealand, writes in an e-mail. "If I had been the referee I would have recommended rejection.""

Heheh. My colleagues and I used to review papers and pick them to shreds just as a learning experience. You can find something wrong in almost any study if you look hard enough. The peer review process is better than nothing, but it's not without it's flaws.

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High fat low carb diets are really coming into light at the moment, there have been so many studies proving its effectiveness on weightloss and a healthy overall goal.

I don't mind butter, I don't eat buckets of the stuff but if I fry I may use butter, why not? I also eat **** loads of cheese. I love cheese

No Silly, Carbs are.

Do not besmirch my potatoes, young lady. Just put the butter on them.

I love how the ppl who nay-say butter use man-made oils like margarine and canola and........

Canola (rapeseed) is not a man made oil. It comes from a plant, related to mustard. Pretty yellow flowers.

Yes it's a plant but without human intervention canola oil would never exist considering it's origins and then bred ot reduce the erucic acid content. Unfortunately refined canola contains trans fats from the deodorizing process....I opt out of most refined oil, including this one.

Do you have a source for that?

I didn't want to get into this, as I usually try to stay out of arguments related to canola oil as there is so much misinformation flying about, but please have a look at this: http://www.snopes.com/medical/toxins/canola.asp

Canola oil was discredited by a sourceless chain email sent out years ago, which still circulates, and worse, the nonsense from it is widely circulated as de-sourced rumour, and for some unfathomable reason, widely believed.

I'm not saying there are never any problems with rapeseed cultivation. It's a monoculture crop, there are various issues which can apply; seed-dressing with pesticides is a big issue, for instance, especially with respect to its effect on bees. Also the usual problems of soil degradation and overuse of fertilisers. But these are problems with industrial agriculture which need tackled at a systemic level, not problems with a specific crop.

I live in the UK. Rapeseed oil is grown here, and hot-pressed purified rapeseed is to us what corn oil is to most of the USA, or sunflower to most of Europe. It's our standard cooking oil. It is not fake, man-made, poisonous, or loaded with trans fats. It is just oil. From a plant. Cold-pressed rapeseed is in fact a damn good salad oil, well worth trying.

I understand concerns about food quality and the effects of industrialisation, but propagating baseless rumours is not the way to address these issues. It can in fact make them worse, by confusing the real issues.

I'm not referring to a email rumor or it's safety, I'm referring to the name Canola. Rapeseed was bred to reduce it's eurcic acid content to less than 2% to receive a LEAR status which is an acronym for Low Eurcic Acid Rapeseed and the name Canola was coined by the Rapeseed Association of Canada from the contraction of Canadian and oil, where it was originally conceived from the University Of Manitoba. Now most Canola in North American is also Genetically Modified to resist disease because of it's increased use and importance monetarily. In Europe it's still called rapeseed but referred to as double zero rapeseed which is the same plant as the LEAR. Any rapeseed that doesn't conform to LEAR is not used for human consumption,so I can see why your confused.

I think the only word that tells us all we need to know about canola is - Monsanto!

Agreed the cold pressed Scottish Rapeseed oil is less processed than the Monsanto Canola, but it is still high in Omega 6 and there are healthier alternatives available. IMHO

The ratio of n:3's to n:6's in Canola is 2:1 which is pretty damn good, so I wouldn't consider that a negative. Personally I just don't consume refined oils and especially any that produce trans fats from the refining process. Cold pressed Canola wouldn't have any trans fats but trying to find colds pressed Canola is pretty much impossible in Canada or the USA. The EU doesn't allow GMO's to be imported so your rapeseed is different and cold pressed is probably the norm, but not here.

If i do go out to eat I get a salad with no dressing or specifically check that no animal products are used in preparing it.

Study: No-fat, low-fat dressings don't get most nutrients out of salads
June 19, 2012




WEST LAFAYETTE, Ind. - The vegetables in salads are chock-full of important vitamins and nutrients, but you won't get much benefit without the right type and amount of salad dressing, a Purdue University study shows.

In a human trial, researchers fed subjects salads topped off with saturated, monounsaturated and polyunsaturated fat-based dressings and tested their blood for absorption of fat-soluble carotenoids – compounds such as lutein, lycopene, beta-carotene and zeaxanthin. Those carotenoids are associated with reduced risk of several chronic and degenerative diseases such as cancer, cardiovascular disease and macular degeneration.

The study, published early online in the journal Molecular Nutrition & Food Research, found that monounsaturated fat-rich dressings required the least amount of fat to get the most carotenoid absorption, while saturated fat and polyunsaturated fat dressings required higher amounts of fat to get the same benefit.

"If you want to utilize more from your fruits and vegetables, you have to pair them correctly with fat-based dressings," said Mario Ferruzzi, the study's lead author and a Purdue associate professor of food science. "If you have a salad with a fat-free dressing, there is a reduction in calories, but you lose some of the benefits of the vegetables."

In the test, 29 people were fed salads dressed with butter as a saturated fat, canola oil as a monounsaturated fat and corn oil as a polyunsaturated fat. Each salad was served with 3 grams, 8 grams or 20 grams of fat from dressing.

The soybean oil rich in polyunsaturated fat was the most dependent on dose. The more fat on the salad, the more carotenoids the subjects absorbed. The saturated fat butter was also dose-dependent, but to a lesser extent.

Monounsaturated fat-rich dressings, such as canola and olive oil-based dressings, promoted the equivalent carotenoid absorption at 3 grams of fat as it did 20 grams, suggesting that this lipid source may be a good choice for those craving lower fat options but still wanting to optimize absorption of health-promoting carotenoids from fresh vegetables.

"Even at the lower fat level, you can absorb a significant amount of carotenoids with monounsaturated fat-rich canola oil," Ferruzzi said. "Overall, pairing with fat matters. You can absorb significant amounts of carotenoids with saturated or polyunsaturated fats at low levels, but you would see more carotenoid absorption as you increase the amounts of those fats on a salad."

The findings build on a 2004 Iowa State University study that determined carotenoids were more bioavailable – absorbed by the intestines – when paired with full-fat dressing as opposed to low-fat or fat-free versions. Ferruzzi; Wayne Campbell, a Purdue professor of nutrition science; Shellen Goltz, a Purdue graduate student in food science; and their collaborators, Chureeporn Chitchumroonchokchai and Mark L. Failla at Ohio State University, are the first to study different types of fats in differing amounts in human subjects.

Ferruzzi and colleagues will next work on understanding how meal patterning affects nutrient absorption. He is trying to determine whether people absorb more nutrients if they eat vegetables at one time or if consumption is spread throughout the day.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture funded the research.

Writer: Brian Wallheimer, 765-496-2050, bwallhei@purdue.edu

Source: Mario Ferruzzi, 765-494-0625, mferruzz@purdue.edu

I prefer my butter to be made from cream rather than grass, but then, sometimes, I soak my grass in the butter to make "grown-up" brownies. :laugh: :smokin: (Just keep the heat low so you don't burn the grass!)

You need a brownie mix/recipe that calls for oil. You sautee, lightly, the grass in the oil to help extract all the ummmm... vitamins.

High fat low carb diets are really coming into light at the moment, there have been so many studies proving its effectiveness on weightloss and a healthy overall goal.

Can you provide links to these studies that prove the health effects of a HFLC diet? Studies I've seen all point to Mediterranean and vegetarian being the most healthy diets, neither of which are low carb.