what is it with my wife?!

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  • That_Girl
    That_Girl Posts: 1,324 Member
    Have you stayed home alone with the baby all day by yourself? Ya. It sucks.

    And I don't know about her, but I am not a stay at home mom. The idea seems nice but as a teacher, i get summers off and they SUCK. I don't know how people do it. It's depressing for me. Maybe your wife is just very unhappy and doesn't want to say it because raising children is supposed to be this blissful thing.

    Does she get time with adults? Friends? Do you guys go on dates?

    Talk to her. Just don't try to schedule her days or make a chart for chores. Omg. Don't do that.
  • AsaThorsWoman
    AsaThorsWoman Posts: 2,303 Member
    Also...

    You can take the wifi router to work in your car with her car keys so she doesn't get distracted by the internet all day.

    She'll be so bored the house will be spotless and you can give back her luxuries!

    But set that precedent!

    She's setting a precedent right now, so you're going to have to show her it is not OK or it's not going to change.
  • bannedword
    bannedword Posts: 299 Member
    Tell her to do it or you'll take away all luxury.

    Money, credit cards, CELL PHONE.

    She has one job.

    She can do it.

    If not, don't reward bad behavior.

    If she's going to act like a child, treat her like a child.

    [sarcasm] Because that's certainly a reasonable way to behave with another adult person you claim to love. [/sarcasm]
  • serindipte
    serindipte Posts: 1,557 Member

    Sweetie, I'm going to be cutting back on my work hours so I can catch up on the housework. I know you're busy and all darling. Unfortunately to accommodate our new, spiffy clean lifestyle I'll be disconnecting the cable, the cellphones, canceling the health club memberships and limiting the grocery items to generic only. Also, no more take-out or dinners out. It's a good thing! You'll lose the baby weight! Oh and the cars. We'll only have one now. I'll be taking it to work. Don't worry. I'll only be working 30 hours a week! You'll have plenty of time to use it when you need to go to the Laundromat. Yes. The washing machine and dryer won't be fitting into our new budget. I listed them up for sale on Craig's list. Sorry honey.

    I love this one!

    I'm a stay at home mom that also has a home daycare so I have anywhere from 4 to 6 kids every day. I manage to keep house in between taking care of all of them.. One 11 month old? Bah, she could easily keep up with the house, too and should in my opinion.
  • Wow, a topic like this brings out all kinds, doesn't it?

    There is, of course, the possibility that she is just lazy or milking the "mommy card" as some women surely will.

    There is also the (more likely) possibility that she is the first time mom of a crawling mess creator and at the end of her frustrating and hard working days, her husband comes home and sighs with dissatisfaction because his wife, who doesn't produce any income, didn't do as much as he thinks she should have.

    Two things:

    1. It is a lie that she produces no income. In my pre-child job I brought in about 40k a year. After careful and honest calculations, we discovered that sending me to work produced almost no net value for our family. Between child care, work clothes, gas, parking, lunch downtown, take out dinners because I work too late to cook, and paying a premium for most other purchases because there is barely time to shop- let alone comparison shop. In the end we realized that we were paying a huge price to keep me "working". So at the very least, be realistic about the value that she provides at home.

    2. Do you have any idea, because you provided no details, what it looks like to be an inexperienced mother to a baby? For one thing, her body spent nine months being robbed of nutrients and energy to create this little girl you love. Experts have recently determined that it takes more than a year for a woman's body to fully recover from pregnancy and childbirth. And that is if she doesnt breastfeed. Breastfeeding trouble opens up a level of stress and exhaustion that cant ever be understood by anyone else. After she was completely depleted physically, she came home with a small creature that requires almost 24/7 attention for the first six months. She wakes up every two hours and stays awake for at least 30 minutes each time. Your wife is NEVER able to enter a productive sleep cycle because it is being interrupted. She likely hasnt slept well in a year and is living on such a sleep deficit that she could be declared dangerous to herself. I seriously hope that she is napping when your daughter does because she simply won't make it otherwise. The amount of extra laundry, trash, and dishes that are created by feeding and changing and bathing a baby is extraordinary. Not to mention that once they start crawling you can't let them out of your sight. They can destroy an entire room in five minutes and injure themselves in even less. Trying to fold laundry with an eleven month old is like trying to organize papers on a desk with a fan blowing on it. Adding to all of this is an inevitable level of "mommy guilt" about the fact that she just can't manage to pull it all together and please the judgmental people that act like she "doesn't work" and want to know why the house isn't sparkling and there isn't a pot roast on the table since she was just sitting at home all day. If you come home in the evening and the house isn't falling down and the baby is fed and clean and in one piece and your wife can manage to keep her eyes open long enough to put a frozen pizza in the oven, consider yourself a lucky man and try to understand what it took out of her that day to make it happen. Instead of spending your time complaining to strangers and seeking sympathy for how overworked you are and that your wife doesn't pull her weight since that kid came along, try spending the time supporting your wife emotionally. The first two years of parenting is a crazy team effort. Nobody should ever be "off" for more than a few hours and the expectation of a clean house is ludicrous. You have two options: Come home from work and make your wife feel guilty for not meeting your expectations while doing chores until you are resentful and your marriage fails. Or, come home from work and genuinely care for your wife. Forget about the house being totally clean, and just be glad you get out of the house for 8 hours a day.
  • DaWayne360
    DaWayne360 Posts: 261 Member
    Hire a stripper (female of course) to come clean your house. Make sure she does it while you are there and sit back and watch. Your wife may decide to clean the house for you.
  • deksgrl
    deksgrl Posts: 7,237 Member
    So you want her to work during her 3-4 hours of free time, but you are complaining because she asks you to help out during your free time? Maybe y'all should talk about it, nicely and calmly, and decide on a compromise that you both are happy with...

    or the housekeeper idea. :)

    Originally before our baby when she was working part time, we had a deal that she would do all the housework except cleaning the kitchen and I would take care of that.

    Now that she is not working away from home at all, she wants me(who has taken on extra work hours to survive on a single income) to do more than just clean the kitchen, which I still do daily...

    She asks me not to help out, but to do it instead of her...helping is one thing, being a slave entirely different...she also gets all day with our daughter, I get less than 2 hours per day.

    Just adding perspective.

    I have a close friend that had a similar situation, he was not happy that during the few hours that the baby was sleeping, his wife was not getting the ton of housework done.

    Until his wife pointed out that he has what she termed "head space" during the commute, 2 15 minute breaks at work, plus a lunch hour. She didn't have any of that to zone out, socialize, or just "be" and during the baby's nap time she was chatting on the phone with her mother, catching up on email, or just drawing a little because she was devoting the rest of the day to the baby and trying to get a few things done around the house as well.
    Loss of time to just "be" is like a small loss of self, and it isn't as trivial as it sounds. Help her out, it won't be forever.

    Why can't she have her "head space" when he gets home and WANTS to play with the baby instead of doing her chores?

    I know, we are only getting one side of the story here, but he is working and making the money, she should be doing the house work. And maybe this means that things aren't perfect for awhile (just wait, the kid is only 11 months..... )
  • bannedword
    bannedword Posts: 299 Member
    Also...

    You can take the wifi router to work in your car with her car keys so she doesn't get distracted by the internet all day.

    She'll be so bored the house will be spotless and you can give back her luxuries!

    But set that precedent!

    She's setting a precedent right now, so you're going to have to show her it is not OK or it's not going to change.

    I honestly cannot believe this.
  • Pipsg1rl
    Pipsg1rl Posts: 1,414 Member
    When my kids were still small and I was still a SAHM I spent most of naptime catching up on sleep and not cleaning (my kids were up once every two hours for three years). When I DID have time to get the housework done it was very helpful to me to know what hubby's priorities were. In our case, he'd happily ignore a giant pile of laundry (that my mobile kids would just unfold before I'd made a dent anyway) but he'd get really stressed out if there were dishes in the kitchen sink when he arrived home. So I started with his biggest pet peeves and would work down the list until life interrupted. Maybe you could let her know what your biggest prioirities are so that she'll know where to begin. Likewise she could do the same for you. Sometimes it's easy to look at a mess and feel so overwhelmed you don't even know where to start, but if she had a list of "bathrooms, then mopping, then laundry, THEN trash" or whatever that might help a little?

    I like this answer. The priority list.

    Also, maybe her love language is not the same as yours. Take the quiz and find out. I seriously believe this could be some of what's happening.

    And even if she seems happy while you're home she may be depressed while you are away and you don't see how that's affecting her other than non-motivation to do anything other than care for your daughter. Don't discount it.
  • DaWayne360
    DaWayne360 Posts: 261 Member
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  • That_Girl
    That_Girl Posts: 1,324 Member
    Yeah, hire a housekeeper. Arguing about who does what is a waste of time, seriously invest in a housekeeper and you can thank me for saving your marriage later ;)

    That's not an affordable option right now, otherwise we would have done that already...but thank you for the tip.

    It's cheaper than a divorce my friend

    If a couple is going to split up over chores, then the divorce is worth it.

    Death by 1000 cuts. Divorce wouldn't be about the chores, but the resentment behind it. People divorce for many reasons. Sex and money being the biggest "reasons" but I'd say it's the frustration and resentment behind those issues.
  • DaWayne360
    DaWayne360 Posts: 261 Member
    Wow, a topic like this brings out all kinds, doesn't it?

    There is, of course, the possibility that she is just lazy or milking the "mommy card" as some women surely will.

    There is also the (more likely) possibility that she is the first time mom of a crawling mess creator and at the end of her frustrating and hard working days, her husband comes home and sighs with dissatisfaction because his wife, who doesn't produce any income, didn't do as much as he thinks she should have.

    Two things:

    1. It is a lie that she produces no income. In my pre-child job I brought in about 40k a year. After careful and honest calculations, we discovered that sending me to work produced almost no net value for our family. Between child care, work clothes, gas, parking, lunch downtown, take out dinners because I work too late to cook, and paying a premium for most other purchases because there is barely time to shop- let alone comparison shop. In the end we realized that we were paying a huge price to keep me "working". So at the very least, be realistic about the value that she provides at home.

    2. Do you have any idea, because you provided no details, what it looks like to be an inexperienced mother to a baby? For one thing, her body spent nine months being robbed of nutrients and energy to create this little girl you love. Experts have recently determined that it takes more than a year for a woman's body to fully recover from pregnancy and childbirth. And that is if she doesnt breastfeed. Breastfeeding trouble opens up a level of stress and exhaustion that cant ever be understood by anyone else. After she was completely depleted physically, she came home with a small creature that requires almost 24/7 attention for the first six months. She wakes up every two hours and stays awake for at least 30 minutes each time. Your wife is NEVER able to enter a productive sleep cycle because it is being interrupted. She likely hasnt slept well in a year and is living on such a sleep deficit that she could be declared dangerous to herself. I seriously hope that she is napping when your daughter does because she simply won't make it otherwise. The amount of extra laundry, trash, and dishes that are created by feeding and changing and bathing a baby is extraordinary. Not to mention that once they start crawling you can't let them out of your sight. They can destroy an entire room in five minutes and injure themselves in even less. Trying to fold laundry with an eleven month old is like trying to organize papers on a desk with a fan blowing on it. Adding to all of this is an inevitable level of "mommy guilt" about the fact that she just can't manage to pull it all together and please the judgmental people that act like she "doesn't work" and want to know why the house isn't sparkling and there isn't a pot roast on the table since she was just sitting at home all day. If you come home in the evening and the house isn't falling down and the baby is fed and clean and in one piece and your wife can manage to keep her eyes open long enough to put a frozen pizza in the oven, consider yourself a lucky man and try to understand what it took out of her that day to make it happen. Instead of spending your time complaining to strangers and seeking sympathy for how overworked you are and that your wife doesn't pull her weight since that kid came along, try spending the time supporting your wife emotionally. The first two years of parenting is a crazy team effort. Nobody should ever be "off" for more than a few hours and the expectation of a clean house is ludicrous. You have two options: Come home from work and make your wife feel guilty for not meeting your expectations while doing chores until you are resentful and your marriage fails. Or, come home from work and genuinely care for your wife. Forget about the house being totally clean, and just be glad you get out of the house for 8 hours a day.

    I'm sorry, did you say something? I think I dozed off.
  • christmre
    christmre Posts: 109 Member
    I have to be blunt here. Being a stay at home mom is her job. Being a homemaker means you make the home what it is. It means not only do you take care of the children, you clean the house, do the laundry, go to the grocery, do the cooking, and make your home comfortable for the person who provides the income. You don't get to complain about how they don't clean enough or do enough. They are earning the money that allows you to do your job in comfort. I have been a homemaker for many years, and disabled for about half of them, I would never expect my husband to come home and clean the house or make his own dinner. He does however do the handyman jobs around the house, mostly because he likes to do them. If she doesn't like her job, maybe she should get a job to pay for someone to do it for her.
  • ValGogo
    ValGogo Posts: 2,168 Member
    Hmmm, how about you guys come up with a list of chores for BOTH of you? Like splitting the ugly chore (bathroom, mopping) one time her and one time you, and then letting her have the quiet chores (dusting, folding baby clothes - you know there are like a million baby clothes - and food shopping) and you can do the noisy chores (vacuuming, loading laundry and dryer, etc.) when you get home.

    It's a tough call but definitely doable.

    Oh, I forgot the garbage too.
  • That_Girl
    That_Girl Posts: 1,324 Member
    Also...

    You can take the wifi router to work in your car with her car keys so she doesn't get distracted by the internet all day.

    She'll be so bored the house will be spotless and you can give back her luxuries!

    But set that precedent!

    She's setting a precedent right now, so you're going to have to show her it is not OK or it's not going to change.

    I honestly cannot believe this.

    Right? Wtf. This is a grown woman. If my husband wanted to treat me like a child, he'd have papers served. I'd say the wife is depressed...but according to these people, screw her! Just punish her. Yea, that will not work.
  • bannedword
    bannedword Posts: 299 Member
    Okay, I wasn't going to, but I can't help myself.

    Dude, you made a baby together. Presumably you decided that it would be best for said baby if your wife stayed home and took care of it. You likely calculated the cost of day care vs. the income your wife brought in and decided together as a couple that your wife would stay home.

    At some point, you decided on a dwelling place for the family. You need to come to an agreement on how said dwelling place is tended. Not by either of you demanding or pouting or recriminating. Certainly not by taking things away, each from the other. You need to act like a married couple and talk about your expectations. And if they are reasonable. You need to listen to each other and respect each other and act like grown-ups. Holy moly. You wouldn't think this would be so hard.
  • k_nicole87
    k_nicole87 Posts: 407 Member
    Well, I haven't read through this thread but I will offer some advice that has worked for my family and getting my husband more involved as we both work and I also go to college.

    We got a dry erase board and put a "chore chart" on it for all of us, my young daughter included.

    Just maybe ask her in a nice way how you two can divide chores equally and post them in a family space like the kitchen. It's a way of telling her you want to know what she expects from you as well. This way she won't feel like she is being attacked and something gets accomplished also.
  • AsaThorsWoman
    AsaThorsWoman Posts: 2,303 Member
    Tell her to do it or you'll take away all luxury.

    Money, credit cards, CELL PHONE.

    She has one job.

    She can do it.

    If not, don't reward bad behavior.

    If she's going to act like a child, treat her like a child.

    [sarcasm] Because that's certainly a reasonable way to behave with another adult person you claim to love. [/sarcasm]

    If the actions have no consequences the behavior will not change.

    Talk to her, say "Honey, the house needs to be cleaned today. If it is not done, I'm taking away luxuries. This is your fair warning."

    Likely, she will not believe him, and he'll come home to a mess, and than take the cell, the wifi, the car keys.

    The next day, talk to her "Honey, I will return your luxuries today if I come home to a clean house."

    It'll work like magic.

    Than she will know you're serious.
  • JonnyMacAwesome
    JonnyMacAwesome Posts: 770 Member
    Tell her to do it or you'll take away all luxury.

    Money, credit cards, CELL PHONE.

    She has one job.

    She can do it.

    If not, don't reward bad behavior.

    If she's going to act like a child, treat her like a child.

    [sarcasm] Because that's certainly a reasonable way to behave with another adult person you claim to love. [/sarcasm]

    If the actions have no consequences the behavior will not change.

    Talk to her, say "Honey, the house needs to be cleaned today. If it is not done, I'm taking away luxuries. This is your fair warning."

    Likely, she will not believe him, and he'll come home to a mess, and than take the cell, the wifi, the car keys.

    The next day, talk to her "Honey, I will return your luxuries today if I come home to a clean house."

    It'll work like magic.

    Than she will know you're serious.

    To be honest, I could never be that disrespectful to my wife. This is not an ultimatum. My question for this entire topic is for suggestions on how to approach the subject without it becoming a fight.

    I have seen a lot of responses on here with great suggestions that won't make it seem like I am attacking her - as she feels I have done in the past.

    I can't treat her like a child, she is my wife and an adult...not my daughter. I wouldn't want to be treated like a child, I would want to be approached in a less degrading manner personally...I just suck at soft approaches, that's why I asked the question.
  • RavenLibra
    RavenLibra Posts: 1,737 Member
    I haven't the time to read each page of this thread BUT if you are still married... try this...

    sit down with her.. and prepare a list of ALL the things that need to be done around the house... break them down to daily, weekly, monthly... set out a schedule that you can each follow... you accomplish 2 things... consensus and accountability... follow up with tracking the time it takes to do a task.. and revise the schedule... it will take some time to establish the rhythm...

    ON her side of this.. it's a little hard to do things like vacuum and yard work while the kid is napping...

    I had a blow out with my wife (of 15 years) not long ago... about this exact same thing... I get up at 4... walk the dogs, and am in the office before 7... my wife ... works about 10 minutes from the house and starts at 8... I leave the office at 4.. and the commute home can be anywhere from 1-2 hours depending on traffic and weather...

    anyway... I TOO had been working some extended hours due to the size and scope of a project... and I get the old.. YOU don't do enough around here... and my response was quite simple... I said... Maybe YOU should focus a little more on WHAT I DO instead of what MORE you want me to do...