Judging people and their weight

If I am wrong (which happens:grumble: don't tell my husband :noway: ) your medical reports should be sent to the WHO asap, they could maybe use the info to help people in starving areas subsist and remain healthy at a lower caloric intake.

Well, therein lies the fallicy "subsit and REMAIN HEALTHY". Yeah, no one's arguing that while those symptomes were happening that they were healthy. At the point in time that I had gained quickly I was in renal failure. I don't think even in starving areas they want to gain weight only to die because their kidneys and adrenal glands aren't working.

It was not just in reference to you.....but if you gained 60lbs of fat in 3 months that would be 3,500 calories x 60=210,000 then divided by 92 (we'll say two 31 day months) = 2282.61 calories over TDEE per day. That would mean for the laws of energy to stand you had a TDEE in the negative and ALL calories you consumed turned to fat.

A calorie is a unit of energy, energy can NOT be created out of nothing or disappear.... It must be converted.

Renal failure can cause mass water retention..... Its what the kidneys do so a lot of the weight could have been water.

Also anything that can rewrite the laws of energy, would benefit humanity. If they looked at someone that gains on 1000 per day in a coma then that would mean they could maintain organ function at a much lower rate than currently believed. Also no more energy crisis if energy could just appear :drinker:

I will need to find the article but even the most extreme and rare metabolic disorders only lower BMR by about 10%. ***//strike through obviously doesn't work :grumble: //***

I also meant by healthy, not have system failure ie: not die.........in reference to crisis situations this is the main goal.


Eta: having trouble finding the one study but.....

http://examine.com/faq/does-metabolism-vary-between-two-people.html#ref1

This articles has the studies linked and does a good job of explaining why most are not the special snowflakes that defy science that they think they are.

Also my view is that medical, psychological and medications can make weight loss extremely difficult but the laws of energy still stand and calorie in vs out is all that matters for the actual numbers.

In all honesty, who on here has medical issues because of their weight and how many of those issues will be reduced or go away when then extra weight is gone? I am asking this because most of the people iknow that are obese have a lot of health issues but more physically fit people in my family and friends only have your general wear and tear issues that come with age.

BeckyGilbert4
This is a topic that's dear to my heart. I spent the better part of my life having Doctors tell me that it was my fault that I was fat. It wasn't until I was 325 lbs, and diabetic that I found a Doctor who said maybe there was another reason for it. I had a lot of test and eventually they found out that I had a tumor on my Pituitary (Cushings Disease). In short no matter how hard I worked at loosing weight (and I did) I would always gain weight as long as I had that tumor. The thing is that no one listened to me because they all said it was that I wasn't trying hard enough, and didn't want it enough. Working out 3 hours a day five days a week, and I gained weight, and it had to be what I was eating. Counting calories, counting fat, and countless weight loss efforts, and it still had to be something I was doing. It's all fine to say there are people who's choice is to be fat, but it's more harmful than you'll ever know when you assume people are doing that. I had the tumor out in 2012 and I dropped a lot of weight going from 325 to 245 in a year. My body is used to being fat now because it began when I was young but accelerated when I got pregnant in 2010. Since no one listened to me until 2012 I'll never know how long the tumor was there, and all because people and Doctors just wanted to dismiss me as Fat by choice. It is far kinder, and more productive not to jump to conclusions, and be supportive. For some people their weight isn't important, and it shouldn't be anyone's business but their own. For the others that are struggling mocking them and or stigmatizing them is not helpful, it's just destructive and spiteful.

Too bad I was on a strict diet from a dietician and endocrinologist, eating 1200-1300 calories a day, logging religiously, and playing demanding sports.

So maybe your weight gain came from stuffing your face, but mine certainly didn't.

It's true: we all make choices, and we are the product of our choices.

You can choose to judge other people because of the way they look, because you assume their weight is an indicator of their moral decrepitude. Or you can say to yourself "hey. You know what? Today I'm going to get up off my couch and NOT make assumptions about people because of their outward appearances! I'm going to assume everyone is going through their own struggle, and my own personal triumphs don't mean that I have to demean other people who haven't made the same choices I have!"

It's a choice: whether or not you choose to support other people's healthy choices and be compassionate when they fall short of their expectations for themself. Compassion, like any muscle, benefits from regular exercise. You could start with 20 reps of saying nice things to strangers, or spend 15 minutes practicing humility around others. Being consistent in your exercise of compassion will make it a habit, rather than a hardship.

You can also reflect upon whether your harsh judgment of others adds to the overall balance of goodness in the world. If it doesn't, you should probably make better choices. That's just the reality of the situation.

Once upon a time, I made fun of fat people and assumed they were all just gross slugs who didn't want to take care of themselves. It was just far too difficult to see them as other human beings, no better and no worse than me. It made me really happy to be mean to them, because I was terribly insecure and obsessed with personal appearance, because I thought being pretty on the outside meant I was pretty on the outside. But you know what? That was all just a bunch of bull**** excuses. I put in the time and effort needed to become a kinder human being, and I'm happier and healthier for it. Now I don't assume I know things about a person simply based on how much they weight, and I'm so much better off.

It's time for people to take responsibility for the way they judge others. Otherwise, we're never going to stop this epidemic of ****ishness which is such a moral problem in the United States today.

I am a true believer that not everything is black and white, especially when disease comes into play. This last year, my friend, who eats in moderation, exercises, and has maintained a healthy weight, started putting on weight and ended up with 40 pounds extra within a few months time. She went to the doctor several times, and he told her it was her thyroid. To make a long story short, she and her husband did not take this doctor's word for it, and got a second opinion. She was referred to a cardiologist. In fact, my friend's husband said to bring her in immediately.

She failed every stress test, heart test, whatever test there is, which led to a determination that my friend had to have triple heart bypass surgery immediately. Once the surgery was completed, the cardiologist told my friend's husband that she had very close to death's door. In fact, 15 minutes close.

Isn't it a wonder that her weight dropped off almost immediately after she had surgery? My friend thought she was getting fat, but the cardiologist said that she had been retaining horrible fluid from the heart problem. The first doctor should have sen this, and he got an earful from my friend's husband about what happened.

So, while I would say that the majority of us do gain weight simply from eating more than we burn, but really, disease can do some really strange things to our bodies. If you're taking a medication, you're taking it due to illness or disease, or some type of disorder.

After my friend's situation, I'm not a disbeliever that disease can cause weight gain.

It's true: we all make choices, and we are the product of our choices.

You can choose to judge other people because of the way they look, because you assume their weight is an indicator of their moral decrepitude. Or you can say to yourself "hey. You know what? Today I'm going to get up off my couch and NOT make assumptions about people because of their outward appearances! I'm going to assume everyone is going through their own struggle, and my own personal triumphs don't mean that I have to demean other people who haven't made the same choices I have!"

It's a choice: whether or not you choose to support other people's healthy choices and be compassionate when they fall short of their expectations for themself. Compassion, like any muscle, benefits from regular exercise. You could start with 20 reps of saying nice things to strangers, or spend 15 minutes practicing humility around others. Being consistent in your exercise of compassion will make it a habit, rather than a hardship.

You can also reflect upon whether your harsh judgment of others adds to the overall balance of goodness in the world. If it doesn't, you should probably make better choices. That's just the reality of the situation.

Once upon a time, I made fun of fat people and assumed they were all just gross slugs who didn't want to take care of themselves. It was just far too difficult to see them as other human beings, no better and no worse than me. It made me really happy to be mean to them, because I was terribly insecure and obsessed with personal appearance, because I thought being pretty on the outside meant I was pretty on the outside. But you know what? That was all just a bunch of bull**** excuses. I put in the time and effort needed to become a kinder human being, and I'm happier and healthier for it. Now I don't assume I know things about a person simply based on how much they weight, and I'm so much better off.

It's time for people to take responsibility for the way they judge others. Otherwise, we're never going to stop this epidemic of ****ishness which is such a moral problem in the United States today.

You should have bolded this entire part but mainly this part or did you miss the increase in appetite part?

A decrease in brain glucose will activate other portions of the brain that release proteins, which stimulate food intake. When this happens, an increase in body weight is inevitable at this point.

Not picking on you specifically, I just keep seeing this. I think most of us get it - the meds cause increase in appetite, not weight gain. What are some suggestions, though, for folks who must take meds that increase their appetite. Its very difficult to get through a day in a calorie deficit when one is hungrier than their calorie deficit allows. I KNOW we, in general, still need to eat in a deficit but perhaps some suggestions might actually take this debate in a helpful direction. Sorry if its already been posted.