6000 calories a day and not gaining weight.
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Any time you're thinking about using whole milk, use heavy whipping cream instead. It's got 820 calories per cup. You'll be super bulky in no time.0
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I believe that most humans undergo a hormonal transformation during their middle twenties. My research suggests that HGH (alone or in combination) is the culprit and that some of us are very sensitive to it and this keeps us slim no matter what. When HGH production slows down at about 26YO (for most of us), that "weight brake" is removed and things change.
When I was your age, I ate probably more than you and could not get over 50Kgs (I am only 165cm). I could not pack on any muscle and looked like a stick insect. At 30YO suddenly I was looking at 85 Kgs on about 2500 calories working from sunrise to sunset at a job and on our small farm on weekends. Not all of it was fat - there was a lot of muscle that had been denied me all my earlier life. Finally I peaked at 111 KGs and have been stuggling downwards since. 35 Years later 85Kgs is slowly creeping closer.
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thanks for apologizing to OP, it's hard to admit when your wrong. You have
I don't know, maybe they have a better sense of humour over there?
OP - Sorry if I caused any offence - I wish I had your metabolism, my bulk will probably consist of a measly 2400.
OdesAngel - not sorry at all - maybe you should give OP some advice instead of policing his thread.
have a fabulous day.
Op, you're getting lots of awesome advise on this thread.
Confused as to why she had to apologize at all...she was being jealous in a cheeky eat that he had to increase calories. I'm at 2700 and I'm jealous too! :-)
I was confused too
But I thought, I better apologise incase the, 'I'm jealous, you're lucky!' thing we do here didn't translate - haha seems it does.
Think the person who felt the need to chastise me was having a bad day - maybe had to deal with some 'mean people' or was hangry idk.
Why so mad? Hope your day is going well.
Come to the PB/Nutella party, you'll feel better
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^ that's a good point.
There doesn't seem to be anything scientific to back it up but I've had the same experience. I never worried about weight and ate like a horse till around 25 and never shifted from 9 and a half stone.
Even two pregnancies had no affect on my 'fighting' weight. But age, definitely affected it. I've been yo-yo dieting since about 25 - might be something in it.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »ScottJTyler wrote: »Well, make no mistake, 6000+ calories a day every day is no small feat. Anyone on the planet is going to struggle with this.
Furthermore, it appears that you don't eat meat and that's just going to make it even harder.
Having said that, your macros and food choices seem nicely varied (for not eating meat) and you're definitely hitting some of the tricks you need to hit to hit 6000 consistently. Fatty foods and treats like chocolate help a lot of course. Beer does help too, don't worry about the negative advice you got there. My last bulk, I drank a minimum of one large, heavy beer every day (at least 500 calories) and that helped fill in some of the spare calories. Not a lot of nutrition but who cares, you need calories. You're getting plenty of nutrition already with that kind of caloric load so beer isn't going to hurt a thing.
My suggestion? You are already doing it to an extent but - more caloric drinks. Calorie-laden drinks are perfect for adding calories while adding minimal fullness. You're doing a decent amount of fruit juices which is good, but when I added up the quantities it was fairly low. I'd say you average 32 ounces (1/4 gallon) of drinks a day. Get that up. Way up. Double or quadruple it. Drink fruit juice, coconut water, vitamin water, gatorade, whatever floats your boat. Soda may be a problem (carbonation will only made you feel more full/bloated/gassy). But yeah, don't drink any water. Make sure every liquid has calories. If you're gonna make a protein shake, use whole milk. Throw some Hershey's in there while you're at it. And a little MCT for that matter (any sort of quick-digesting fat really). Your protein shakes look to be around 300 calories each, that could double or triple easily if you threw some heavy liquid, sweetener, fats in there. And it really wouldn't take a lot of extra work or prep to do.
Even if you just doubled your drink intake, you'd add 500 calories a day (roughly 32ounces at about 15 calories an ounce - depending on the drink of course). If you downed a gallon of caloric drinks every day you'd add 1500 calories a day. This is easily doable, I drink way more than a gallon a day myself. Plus there's minimal prep and storage involved. Just keep a drink by your side all day.
Thanks for this, I think it's really realistic and useful advice. As Arnold said "Milk is for babies, when you are a man you drink Beer."
I was already trying to 'drink my calories' with about 1l of fruit juice a day but like you said I could be doing much more.
My only concern is a loss of insulin sensitivity. Constantly bombarding the body with sugar sounds like a recipe for diabetes. Lifting should negate this but still it just seems wrong somehow.
My plan is to basically eat as much 'unhealthy' food as possible and do the exact opposite of general health advice: Extremely high carbs, moderate fat, low protein (meaning roughly 180g which is still plenty), low fibre and absolutely no veg. Drink sugary drinks all day and definitely no cardio. Sounds alright.
Eat a container of peanut butter - 3,000 cals or so.
This is my dream.
Maybe one day this winter you and I'll will sit down and have a contest to see who can eat the most peanut butter- although- lord- a day later that won't go well for me LMAO.
Because honestly- I'm not sure I could EAT a whole container of peanut butter!!!
Now that sounds like a good time!
If we are talking a whole day, I think I could do it. I have no idea what that would do to my stomach, but I think I could get it down.
Oh, don't do it! I tried it once and was turned off of PB for several years before I could eat it again! Once you make yourself sick on a food you'll likely end up with an aversion to it for the longest time and then you've lost a favourite food!0 -
Sounds like the OP needs the Michael Phelps Challenge!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=uKOsGQFQxA8
ETA I have known a few people who could eat 6500 to 8000 cals per day during training. Mostly endurance bikers but 6000 for a lifter is pretty high unless you are on a competitive lifting team and in the gym 6 hours a day.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »ScottJTyler wrote: »Well, make no mistake, 6000+ calories a day every day is no small feat. Anyone on the planet is going to struggle with this.
Furthermore, it appears that you don't eat meat and that's just going to make it even harder.
Having said that, your macros and food choices seem nicely varied (for not eating meat) and you're definitely hitting some of the tricks you need to hit to hit 6000 consistently. Fatty foods and treats like chocolate help a lot of course. Beer does help too, don't worry about the negative advice you got there. My last bulk, I drank a minimum of one large, heavy beer every day (at least 500 calories) and that helped fill in some of the spare calories. Not a lot of nutrition but who cares, you need calories. You're getting plenty of nutrition already with that kind of caloric load so beer isn't going to hurt a thing.
My suggestion? You are already doing it to an extent but - more caloric drinks. Calorie-laden drinks are perfect for adding calories while adding minimal fullness. You're doing a decent amount of fruit juices which is good, but when I added up the quantities it was fairly low. I'd say you average 32 ounces (1/4 gallon) of drinks a day. Get that up. Way up. Double or quadruple it. Drink fruit juice, coconut water, vitamin water, gatorade, whatever floats your boat. Soda may be a problem (carbonation will only made you feel more full/bloated/gassy). But yeah, don't drink any water. Make sure every liquid has calories. If you're gonna make a protein shake, use whole milk. Throw some Hershey's in there while you're at it. And a little MCT for that matter (any sort of quick-digesting fat really). Your protein shakes look to be around 300 calories each, that could double or triple easily if you threw some heavy liquid, sweetener, fats in there. And it really wouldn't take a lot of extra work or prep to do.
Even if you just doubled your drink intake, you'd add 500 calories a day (roughly 32ounces at about 15 calories an ounce - depending on the drink of course). If you downed a gallon of caloric drinks every day you'd add 1500 calories a day. This is easily doable, I drink way more than a gallon a day myself. Plus there's minimal prep and storage involved. Just keep a drink by your side all day.
Thanks for this, I think it's really realistic and useful advice. As Arnold said "Milk is for babies, when you are a man you drink Beer."
I was already trying to 'drink my calories' with about 1l of fruit juice a day but like you said I could be doing much more.
My only concern is a loss of insulin sensitivity. Constantly bombarding the body with sugar sounds like a recipe for diabetes. Lifting should negate this but still it just seems wrong somehow.
My plan is to basically eat as much 'unhealthy' food as possible and do the exact opposite of general health advice: Extremely high carbs, moderate fat, low protein (meaning roughly 180g which is still plenty), low fibre and absolutely no veg. Drink sugary drinks all day and definitely no cardio. Sounds alright.
Eat a container of peanut butter - 3,000 cals or so.
This is my dream.
Maybe one day this winter you and I'll will sit down and have a contest to see who can eat the most peanut butter- although- lord- a day later that won't go well for me LMAO.
Because honestly- I'm not sure I could EAT a whole container of peanut butter!!!
Now that sounds like a good time!
If we are talking a whole day, I think I could do it. I have no idea what that would do to my stomach, but I think I could get it down.
Oh, don't do it! I tried it once and was turned off of PB for several years before I could eat it again! Once you make yourself sick on a food you'll likely end up with an aversion to it for the longest time and then you've lost a favourite food!
That is me and white marshmallows (and tequila lol)... One time when I was a kid I was doing a Christmas craft with the marshmallows and it was all, one for the craft, 10 for me.. Lol... I got so sick that night, now I think of them and it still turns my stomach. So ya I agree, eat enough but not overdo it and make yourself sick!
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That's going to require a lot of milk too!
Eat a container of peanut butter - 3,000 cals or so. [/quote]
This is my dream. [/quote]
Maybe one day this winter you and I'll will sit down and have a contest to see who can eat the most peanut butter- although- lord- a day later that won't go well for me LMAO.
Because honestly- I'm not sure I could EAT a whole container of peanut butter!!!
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this quote below,
and add some greens and meat / fish! You are eating way too much estrogen producing and HGH blocking foods mate.Kestrelwings wrote: »Taking a quick look at your diary:
1) I often eat more protein than you do per day, and I am a tiny female!
2) Lager does not count as a decent calorie source. It is 'empty' calories and burns off very rapidly with no nutritional benefits (sorry dude)
3) I suspect you are not measuring quite as accurately as you think
4) You are concentrating all your eating into too few sessions per day, no wonder you feel like you are force feeding yourself!
Ideas:
1) Eat at least 6 meals a day. Set your watch so you eat every 2-3 hours, and stick to it. you will not feel so bloated and your tummy will thank you for it
2) Increase your protein, aim for about 30-35% (I know this is hard when you are not a meat eater, so add vegan protein powder to your meals - e.g. mix it in soups/stews)
3) Add coconut oil (warm it up so it is liquid) to your shakes
4) Meal prep in advance so you are never faced with 'what shall I eat?', as this makes it easier to get your macros in
5) I would avoid appetite stimulants, as they rarely work and the idea is to help your body naturally grow in response to increased damand to build muscle
6) Avoid caffeine (this includes in chocolate) as it is an appetite supressant
happy training,
coachteresacpt
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Any time you're thinking about using whole milk, use heavy whipping cream instead. It's got 820 calories per cup. You'll be super bulky in no time.
I feel like this would be the best bowl of cereal ever. Even using a few drops of half and half makes grapenuts taste so good (yes, I realize most people think it's like eating rocks).0 -
busywaterbending wrote: »this quote below,
and add some greens and meat / fish! You are eating way too much estrogen producing and HGH blocking foods mate.
I'm already uncomfortably full all the time so I don't think adding greens (effectively calorie-free) is the answer.
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Any time you're thinking about using whole milk, use heavy whipping cream instead. It's got 820 calories per cup. You'll be super bulky in no time.
I feel like this would be the best bowl of cereal ever. Even using a few drops of half and half makes grapenuts taste so good (yes, I realize most people think it's like eating rocks).
Mmm...I drink heavy cream straight from the carton every day. Love it. (And I love Grape Nuts)0 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »
My thoughts exactly. For many of us, that's like taking every single thing we eat/drink, doubling it, and then some on top of that. And not just one day, but every day. I don't think some people realize just how much food this really is. Even for many who struggle with trying to lose weight, even this is a bit much.But OP I do feel for you... 6000 cals is a lot... as jealous as everyone is, there comes a point where eating that much day in and day out I would imagine is just.. exhausting.
I'd have to more than triple my intake. I think that would be fun for about one day. Do that every day, and I don't think I'd even want to think about food anymore.
On the other hand, I'd get to bake all of the things I hold off on because it'd just be me eating it and I don't like wasting food OR effort.0 -
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in +3ScottJTyler wrote: »busywaterbending wrote: »this quote below,
and add some greens and meat / fish! You are eating way too much estrogen producing and HGH blocking foods mate.
I'm already uncomfortably full all the time so I don't think adding greens (effectively calorie-free) is the answer.
Can you give examples of foods which affect hormone levels?
Yeah I'm definitely interested to see how she determined where your estrogen and HGH levels are based on simply looking at a food list.
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Any time you're thinking about using whole milk, use heavy whipping cream instead. It's got 820 calories per cup. You'll be super bulky in no time.
I feel like this would be the best bowl of cereal ever. Even using a few drops of half and half makes grapenuts taste so good (yes, I realize most people think it's like eating rocks).
I love grape nuts.
so let's throw out some dates on this peanutbutter/nutella thing.
I think sometime after the holidays? I feel like most of us are going to be eating to much anyway- or maybe throw this in between Christmas and New years? let's at least get a month down so we can plain- maybe start training??0 -
ScottJTyler wrote: »busywaterbending wrote: »this quote below,
and add some greens and meat / fish! You are eating way too much estrogen producing and HGH blocking foods mate.
I'm already uncomfortably full all the time so I don't think adding greens (effectively calorie-free) is the answer.
Can you give examples of foods which affect hormone levels?
uh I did, I said greens. Greens affect hormone levels. ie. spinach, broccoli, red swiss chard, nori, brussel sprouts.... They have nothing to do with calories.
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busywaterbending wrote: »ScottJTyler wrote: »busywaterbending wrote: »this quote below,
and add some greens and meat / fish! You are eating way too much estrogen producing and HGH blocking foods mate.
I'm already uncomfortably full all the time so I don't think adding greens (effectively calorie-free) is the answer.
Can you give examples of foods which affect hormone levels?
uh I did, I said greens. Greens affect hormone levels. ie. spinach, broccoli, red swiss chard, nori, brussel sprouts.... They have nothing to do with calories.
very filling- low calories.
exact opposite of what you need when bulking.
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Pretty much read the whole thread. He trains 6 days a week? Did the OP ever answer why he trains 6 a week?
I'd try reducing the training to half that for a week or two or three or four and forget the scale during, and check results after that time. Adjust accordingly. Try to keep all other variables the same.0 -
Umm luckyyyyy
I'd suggest eating more calorie dense foods. Try checking out weight watchers point system on food, that might help. I don't like the thought of eating fatty foods, so I completely understand if you don't want to just go grab a bad of chips. But, hummus, avocados, peanut butter, whole wheat, stuff like that, might help you out. I'm not sure if your eating a high/low carb diet or protein diet, changing those factors might help too.0 -
Any time you're thinking about using whole milk, use heavy whipping cream instead. It's got 820 calories per cup. You'll be super bulky in no time.
I feel like this would be the best bowl of cereal ever. Even using a few drops of half and half makes grapenuts taste so good (yes, I realize most people think it's like eating rocks).
I love grape nuts.
so let's throw out some dates on this peanutbutter/nutella thing.
I think sometime after the holidays? I feel like most of us are going to be eating to much anyway- or maybe throw this in between Christmas and New years? let's at least get a month down so we can plain- maybe start training??
I'm cool whenever you want to do it.0 -
busywaterbending wrote: »ScottJTyler wrote: »busywaterbending wrote: »this quote below,
and add some greens and meat / fish! You are eating way too much estrogen producing and HGH blocking foods mate.
I'm already uncomfortably full all the time so I don't think adding greens (effectively calorie-free) is the answer.
Can you give examples of foods which affect hormone levels?
uh I did, I said greens. Greens affect hormone levels. ie. spinach, broccoli, red swiss chard, nori, brussel sprouts.... They have nothing to do with calories.
Yeah... you might want to just bow out of the conversation.0 -
damn, dude, i max out at 4000kcal/day, and that's with 4 supplements (ensure).
i agree with adding more green things, just bathe them in oil; roasted vegetables, sweet potato fries, sautéed everything. if you take a bowl of leafy greens, toss them into a stir fry, they'll reduce down to nothing.
according to your diary, you can put together a 2000+ calorie meal. it's a pain in the *kitten* to do 3x a day, but there you go...0 -
Any time you're thinking about using whole milk, use heavy whipping cream instead. It's got 820 calories per cup. You'll be super bulky in no time.
I feel like this would be the best bowl of cereal ever. Even using a few drops of half and half makes grapenuts taste so good (yes, I realize most people think it's like eating rocks).
I love grape nuts.
so let's throw out some dates on this peanutbutter/nutella thing.
I think sometime after the holidays? I feel like most of us are going to be eating to much anyway- or maybe throw this in between Christmas and New years? let's at least get a month down so we can plain- maybe start training??
I'm cool whenever you want to do it.
pics & vids plz.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »Any time you're thinking about using whole milk, use heavy whipping cream instead. It's got 820 calories per cup. You'll be super bulky in no time.
I feel like this would be the best bowl of cereal ever. Even using a few drops of half and half makes grapenuts taste so good (yes, I realize most people think it's like eating rocks).
I love grape nuts.
so let's throw out some dates on this peanutbutter/nutella thing.
I think sometime after the holidays? I feel like most of us are going to be eating to much anyway- or maybe throw this in between Christmas and New years? let's at least get a month down so we can plain- maybe start training??
I'm cool whenever you want to do it.
pics & vids plz.
Kyle, you know I meant the Nutella/PB challenge, right? Don't get so excited
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I'm just going to put this here:Any time you're thinking about using whole milk, use heavy whipping cream instead. It's got 820 calories per cup. You'll be super bulky in no time.
I feel like this would be the best bowl of cereal ever. Even using a few drops of half and half makes grapenuts taste so good (yes, I realize most people think it's like eating rocks).
I love grape nuts.
so let's throw out some dates on this peanutbutter/nutella thing.
I think sometime after the holidays? I feel like most of us are going to be eating to much anyway- or maybe throw this in between Christmas and New years? let's at least get a month down so we can plain- maybe start training??
I'm cool whenever you want to do it.
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LolBroScience wrote: »Any time you're thinking about using whole milk, use heavy whipping cream instead. It's got 820 calories per cup. You'll be super bulky in no time.
I feel like this would be the best bowl of cereal ever. Even using a few drops of half and half makes grapenuts taste so good (yes, I realize most people think it's like eating rocks).
I love grape nuts.
so let's throw out some dates on this peanutbutter/nutella thing.
I think sometime after the holidays? I feel like most of us are going to be eating to much anyway- or maybe throw this in between Christmas and New years? let's at least get a month down so we can plain- maybe start training??
I'm cool whenever you want to do it.
pics & vids plz.
Kyle, you know I meant the Nutella/PB challenge, right? Don't get so excited
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I'm just going to put this here:Any time you're thinking about using whole milk, use heavy whipping cream instead. It's got 820 calories per cup. You'll be super bulky in no time.
I feel like this would be the best bowl of cereal ever. Even using a few drops of half and half makes grapenuts taste so good (yes, I realize most people think it's like eating rocks).
I love grape nuts.
so let's throw out some dates on this peanutbutter/nutella thing.
I think sometime after the holidays? I feel like most of us are going to be eating to much anyway- or maybe throw this in between Christmas and New years? let's at least get a month down so we can plain- maybe start training??
I'm cool whenever you want to do it.
nutelladay.com/nutella-recipes/
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LolBroScience wrote: »Any time you're thinking about using whole milk, use heavy whipping cream instead. It's got 820 calories per cup. You'll be super bulky in no time.
I feel like this would be the best bowl of cereal ever. Even using a few drops of half and half makes grapenuts taste so good (yes, I realize most people think it's like eating rocks).
I love grape nuts.
so let's throw out some dates on this peanutbutter/nutella thing.
I think sometime after the holidays? I feel like most of us are going to be eating to much anyway- or maybe throw this in between Christmas and New years? let's at least get a month down so we can plain- maybe start training??
I'm cool whenever you want to do it.
pics & vids plz.
Kyle, you know I meant the Nutella/PB challenge, right? Don't get so excited
hey- it's peanut butter and two girls- you NEVER know what will happen.0 -
I'm just going to put this here:Any time you're thinking about using whole milk, use heavy whipping cream instead. It's got 820 calories per cup. You'll be super bulky in no time.
I feel like this would be the best bowl of cereal ever. Even using a few drops of half and half makes grapenuts taste so good (yes, I realize most people think it's like eating rocks).
I love grape nuts.
so let's throw out some dates on this peanutbutter/nutella thing.
I think sometime after the holidays? I feel like most of us are going to be eating to much anyway- or maybe throw this in between Christmas and New years? let's at least get a month down so we can plain- maybe start training??
I'm cool whenever you want to do it.
nutelladay.com/nutella-recipes/
Evil vixen!
Well, to be fair someone was complaining about 2700 cals.
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