Sweets when bulking?
ryanhorn
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Preparing to start my first bulk in the next few weeks, and I just wanted to see wheat everyones' opinion is on having sweets when bulking? I'm not talking about doing a dirty bulk but rather just throwing in some ice cream or brownies every day (maybe equating to about 1/5 of daily caloric intake). How badly can a sweets mess up your fat vs muscle gain ratio if you make sure to do it in moderation?
Thanks for the advice!
Thanks for the advice!
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Doesn't matter. Keep control of your total calories and you'll be fine.
Dirty Bulk is dictated by the amount of caloric surplus, not the diet.0 -
Sweets (just about) everyday here, no problems. If it fits your calories and macros, why not?
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Hey Ryan,
I would definitely not do what you are describing, in reference to adding the ice cream and brownies every day. You will defeat the purpose of quality gains and just add fat; which you will spend more time trying to lose the fat to show off the hard earned muscle and work you put in getting the physique you desire. Yes, you will put on weight, but not the weight you want, it will be all fat with minimal muscle gain. If you want to have sweets, look for more healthy snacks, such as making your own ice cream using whey protein, and frozen fruit; which will require a food processor, or a good blender. you can do the same for your brownies. Check out the attached links. Hope this helps.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiSNdMsFKmY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVXIg-Hmcq0
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^^ would you care to describe the scientific process whereby one set of carbs, fat and protein causes fat gain that another set of carbs, fat and protein do not?0
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Eat away. Keep your cals in check and enjoy.0
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^ this. i've also lost weight eating bacon for lunch and taco bell for dinner. it's a calorie thing.0
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Hey Ryan,
I would definitely not do what you are describing, in reference to adding the ice cream and brownies every day. You will defeat the purpose of quality gains and just add fat; which you will spend more time trying to lose the fat to show off the hard earned muscle and work you put in getting the physique you desire. Yes, you will put on weight, but not the weight you want, it will be all fat with minimal muscle gain. If you want to have sweets, look for more healthy snacks, such as making your own ice cream using whey protein, and frozen fruit; which will require a food processor, or a good blender. you can do the same for your brownies. Check out the attached links. Hope this helps.
-Isaiah
Man, it must be embarrassing to have your first post be this bad. I wouldn't even want to post again, ever. Maybe go with a new account and pretend this never happened?-2 -
While most of Knighten's post may not be right, there's nothing wrong with making your own ice cream and brownies. 0
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@3laine75, not to be rude or anything, but you are jacking the thread. Perhaps it would have been better to start your thread/ask your question separately. However, I will do my best to answer your question. First and foremost, I am not a professional as in Dietician etc. but through trial an error, researching and being in the fitness game for quite some time I have learned a few things, and you may take my response with a grain of salt. I recommend you do your research, incase my below response is not satisfactory.
Now to answer your question. When you are speaking of Protein, Carbs and Fats they are all different, but combined are the essentials of a balanced diet.
Proteins - large biological molecules, or macromolecules, consisting of one or more long chains of amino acid residues. Known as the building block of Muscle tissue.
Carbs- Starches, cellulose and sugars. Broken down release energy in the body.
Fats- A Crucial nutrient that we need for normal bodily functions, and it is said without it we will not live. Also, it supplies energy and lubricates the joints.
Part 2 of your question: You have lean proteins, such as chicken (Breast) white meat, Pork Loin, Turkey, Tuna, Fish, Protein powders (Whey, Soy, Casein, Yogurts etc.) and you have your fatty meats, dark meat chicken, thighs, drumstick, fattier cuts of red meat as in ground beef 80/20 or less and some steaks.
You have carbs that are less ideal to consume in reference to dieting, you will fair better results with brown rice, oatmeal, grains, wheat/grain breads, lentils, beans etc. Also, lentils and beans etc. have protein. The Carbs listed above have a timed release of energy, to help you maintain through out the day. Also eat your vegetables for fiber and a carb source.
Consume Healthier fats such as: Olive Oil, Flax seed, walnuts, almonds, fish oil pills- Omega 3's.
Now consuming more than enough of anything will cause weight gain. Portion control is the one thing that get's us all in trouble. The saying less is more is true, to a certain extent. Carbs are not the "bad" food it has the rep to be, hint; the update to myfitness pal macro nutrients etc. Carbs can be bad when again you over eat, same with fat. Carbs and Fat both supply energy. Example, low carb dieting, you lower your carb intake to lose the weight, but what should happen is the good fat intake should increase, to provide the energy you will need to get through the day/workout etc. Most people do not do that, which is why they feel tired all the time dieting. Basically if you lower your carbs, adjust your good fat intake. Research Carb Cycling.
So long story short the difference between Proteins, Carbs and Fats, are that some are better choices and sustain a timed release of energy (Carbs) and Fats. Protein is used for building muscle. Example, have you noticed when some people lose weight they look sickly? That is because they did not keep their protein intake up, and balance their carbs and fat intake. They all work together, slack in one area, you will have mediocre results; but again too much of any of them will cause fat gain. The idea of getting in shape is to lose the fat, you want to preserve as much muscle as possible, so you look healthier, feel healthier and look like a million bucks. Most of all do it for "YOU", bump everybody else. Love life and love yourself. I apologize for the book. Hope this helps.
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@3laine75, not to be rude or anything, but you are jacking the thread. Perhaps it would have been better to start your thread/ask your question separately. However, I will do my best to answer your question. First and foremost, I am not a professional as in Dietician etc. but through trial an error, researching and being in the fitness game for quite some time I have learned a few things, and you may take my response with a grain of salt. I recommend you do your research, incase my below response is not satisfactory.
Now to answer your question. When you are speaking of Protein, Carbs and Fats they are all different, but combined are the essentials of a balanced diet.
Proteins - large biological molecules, or macromolecules, consisting of one or more long chains of amino acid residues. Known as the building block of Muscle tissue.
Carbs- Starches, cellulose and sugars. Broken down release energy in the body.
Fats- A Crucial nutrient that we need for normal bodily functions, and it is said without it we will not live. Also, it supplies energy and lubricates the joints.
Part 2 of your question: You have lean proteins, such as chicken (Breast) white meat, Pork Loin, Turkey, Tuna, Fish, Protein powders (Whey, Soy, Casein, Yogurts etc.) and you have your fatty meats, dark meat chicken, thighs, drumstick, fattier cuts of red meat as in ground beef 80/20 or less and some steaks.
You have carbs that are less ideal to consume in reference to dieting, you will fair better results with brown rice, oatmeal, grains, wheat/grain breads, lentils, beans etc. Also, lentils and beans etc. have protein. The Carbs listed above have a timed release of energy, to help you maintain through out the day. Also eat your vegetables for fiber and a carb source.
Consume Healthier fats such as: Olive Oil, Flax seed, walnuts, almonds, fish oil pills- Omega 3's.
Now consuming more than enough of anything will cause weight gain. Portion control is the one thing that get's us all in trouble. The saying less is more is true, to a certain extent. Carbs are not the "bad" food it has the rep to be, hint; the update to myfitness pal macro nutrients etc. Carbs can be bad when again you over eat, same with fat. Carbs and Fat both supply energy. Example, low carb dieting, you lower your carb intake to lose the weight, but what should happen is the good fat intake should increase, to provide the energy you will need to get through the day/workout etc. Most people do not do that, which is why they feel tired all the time dieting. Basically if you lower your carbs, adjust your good fat intake. Research Carb Cycling.
So long story short the difference between Proteins, Carbs and Fats, are that some are better choices and sustain a timed release of energy (Carbs) and Fats. Protein is used for building muscle. Example, have you noticed when some people lose weight they look sickly? That is because they did not keep their protein intake up, and balance their carbs and fat intake. They all work together, slack in one area, you will have mediocre results; but again too much of any of them will cause fat gain. The idea of getting in shape is to lose the fat, you want to preserve as much muscle as possible, so you look healthier, feel healthier and look like a million bucks. Most of all do it for "YOU", bump everybody else. Love life and love yourself. I apologize for the book. Hope this helps.
-Isaiah
Aw bless, all that time and you didn't even answer the question - maybe Dope's suggestion is a good one for you at this time
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You say he will just add "fat", then will gain weight but have a hard time showing off the "muscle" he worked for , then will put on weight that is "all fat".Hey Ryan,
You will defeat the purpose of quality gains and just add fat; which you will spend more time trying to lose the fat to show off the hard earned muscle and work you put in getting the physique you desire. Yes, you will put on weight, but not the weight you want, it will be all fat with minimal muscle gain
-Isaiah
Got it...
Curious, when he added "all fat", when did he add muscle? In a deficit? I'm sure you don't really believe this.
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LolBroScience wrote: »Doesn't matter. Keep control of your total calories and you'll be fine.
Dirty Bulk is dictated by the amount of caloric surplus, not the diet.
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@Chieflrg, Looking at His avatar, I assume he has already reached his weight loss goal, since he mentioned bulking. He also stated that he wasn't really interested in doing a dirty bulk. I implied that eating that way will not put on quality mass, yes he may gain weight, but in the form of fat, which will defeat the purpose of what his plan is. At the end of the day eat and do what you want, if it fits your macros, etc. but when the desired result isn't achieved look back and see where one has failed.
Man, I am not trying to start a debate or text war. That's not what it's about, and that's not what I'm about. Just trying to help out and if I failed to answer the question, shame on me, but again as I stated; do "your research, and take what I say with a grain of salt". I'm just saying what has worked for me. Agree or disagree, hope the information helps someone.
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Calories in vs calories out. The "Bro Science" in my post is just that, Bro Science. Man, you can eat what you want, If it fits your macros, and the your training is on point, then yes you can put on quality muscle, but keep in mind if you eat the fattier foods you will increase your chance of gaining fat as well. I know the aim is to gain mass/weight etc. However, I would still do cardio 15-20 mins of cardio or shorten the rest period between lifting sets to combat/minimize the fat gain that will be associated with the so called not so healthy food choices included in the if it fits your macros diet.
replenish glycogen stores with your post workout meal or shake, you can include the sweet stuff; pixy stix, pinapples, Ice cream and fruity pebbles if you like for an insulin spike to supply nutrients to the muscle.
If you are eating high protein, you will want to keep up your fiber up to keep you regular, unless you want to dump bricks. LOL
Lower GI foods, is said to last longer so you stay fuller longer. Again you can eat what you want as long as you stay in your calorie range. I just prefer to eat a little cleaner, due to I want to walk around with a little abs showing. I've done it the old school Bro Science way and fit your macros way. I just prefer to eat a little cleaner because it's more work getting off the unwanted fat. In my opinion, why put on all the mass if you can't take your shirt off at the pool etc. Plus being 6 ft and over 250 lbs is hard finding clothes to fit. But it's the trade off if you want to be big.
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Calories in vs calories out. The "Bro Science" in my post is just that, Bro Science. Man, you can eat what you want, If it fits your macros, and the your training is on point, then yes you can put on quality muscle, but keep in mind if you eat the fattier foods you will increase your chance of gaining fat as well. I know the aim is to gain mass/weight etc. However, I would still do cardio 15-20 mins of cardio or shorten the rest period between lifting sets to combat/minimize the fat gain that will be associated with the so called not so healthy food choices included in the if it fits your macros diet.
replenish glycogen stores with your post workout meal or shake, you can include the sweet stuff; pixy stix, pinapples, Ice cream and fruity pebbles if you like for an insulin spike to supply nutrients to the muscle.
If you are eating high protein, you will want to keep up your fiber up to keep you regular, unless you want to dump bricks. LOL
Lower GI foods, is said to last longer so you stay fuller longer. Again you can eat what you want as long as you stay in your calorie range. I just prefer to eat a little cleaner, due to I want to walk around with a little abs showing. I've done it the old school Bro Science way and fit your macros way. I just prefer to eat a little cleaner because it's more work getting off the unwanted fat. In my opinion, why put on all the mass if you can't take your shirt off at the pool etc. Plus being 6 ft and over 250 lbs is hard finding clothes to fit. But it's the trade off if you want to be big.
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@LolBroScience... I'm sorry my posts have offended you or others. If I am or have misinformed anyone; and you have/are or know the Holy Grail to Bodybuilding and Nutrition, please enlighten me and share your knowledge, so that I can be better informed and achieve a physique such as yours. (Sarcasm). By the way, I love the trolling, I think it's awesome!! LOL!
Also, most of us that have been in the fitness game have been misinformed over the years with Bro Science and the personal "Know it all" handbook of fitness, and will continue to be misinformed; due to the advances of science and subject testing, wither personal or group trial laboratory testing. Experience, trial and error is the best teacher. But, somehow; I believe you have figured all this out. So save me the embarrassment, please let me in on the secret. Enquiring Minds want to know. #umadbro?
Kind Regards,
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@LolBroScience... I'm sorry my posts have offended you or others. If I am or have misinformed anyone; and you have/are or know the Holy Grail to Bodybuilding and Nutrition, please enlighten me and share your knowledge, so that I can be better informed and achieve a physique such as yours. (Sarcasm). By the way, I love the trolling, I think it's awesome!! LOL!
Also, most of us that have been in the fitness game have been misinformed over the years with Bro Science and the personal "Know it all" handbook of fitness, and will continue to be misinformed; due to the advances of science and subject testing, wither personal or group trial laboratory testing. Experience, trial and error is the best teacher. But, somehow; I believe you have figured all this out. So save me the embarrassment, please let me in on the secret. Enquiring Minds want to know. #umadbro?
Kind Regards,
Mr. Misinformed
Quality of calories has no impact on body composition. You are in a caloric surplus, you are going to gain fat regardless. The only factor that would limit the amount of fat gained would be the amount of surplus.
The same goes for your comment regarding the cardio as a method to combat "dirty foods" taken in through an IIFYM approach. Cardio would help by reducing the amount of overall surplus, that's all.0 -
Calories in vs calories out. The "Bro Science" in my post is just that, Bro Science. Man, you can eat what you want, If it fits your macros, and the your training is on point, then yes you can put on quality muscle, but keep in mind if you eat the fattier foods you will increase your chance of gaining fat as well. I know the aim is to gain mass/weight etc. However, I would still do cardio 15-20 mins of cardio or shorten the rest period between lifting sets to combat/minimize the fat gain that will be associated with the so called not so healthy food choices included in the if it fits your macros diet.
replenish glycogen stores with your post workout meal or shake, you can include the sweet stuff; pixy stix, pinapples, Ice cream and fruity pebbles if you like for an insulin spike to supply nutrients to the muscle.
If you are eating high protein, you will want to keep up your fiber up to keep you regular, unless you want to dump bricks. LOL
Lower GI foods, is said to last longer so you stay fuller longer. Again you can eat what you want as long as you stay in your calorie range. I just prefer to eat a little cleaner, due to I want to walk around with a little abs showing. I've done it the old school Bro Science way and fit your macros way. I just prefer to eat a little cleaner because it's more work getting off the unwanted fat. In my opinion, why put on all the mass if you can't take your shirt off at the pool etc. Plus being 6 ft and over 250 lbs is hard finding clothes to fit. But it's the trade off if you want to be big.
See my above comment regarding the first bolded section.
The second bolded part is subjective.
The lower GI food portion is irrelevant too since you are not eating carbohydrates in isolation presumably. You're eating it as an overall meal. None of it ends up making a difference if calories are held constant. Not to mention, OP says only about 20% of intake would come from his sort of caloric intake.
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Noted, and thank you. In your experience, since a surplus is a surplus; do you look better eating what you want or eating strict? Is it easier or harder to cut? I personally find eating cleaner is better for me and less of an effort in the cutting phase.
The bolded comments are my personal experience. Off season, I walk around between 240 and 250 at 6 ft. tall. Being sedentary and basically doing nothing at all I fluctuate around 228 and 230 lbs. I have to wear 3x shirts and 44" waist pants to fit my quads, even though my waist is 38". So that comment is not subjective, its factual in my case and buying dress clothes is the worst, which is why it's a trade off of the lifestyle.
That's why I stated early on, take what I said with a grain of salt; and do your own research and experiments. I knew there would be others that would debunk/debate what I wrote, again this is "my" experience and a suggestion to those who care to hear/read it. Thanks again, the mission is to inform and build better relationships in the fitness community. Everyone has an opinion, some may be valid and some may need to be corrected or better explained.
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I don't notate how I look eating one way or another. I have my caloric goal and my macro targets, and I am within +/-3g of each every day. Any sort of effect that could cause me to look "different" would only really be temporary anyway, such as water retention, bloating, etc.
I do make sure to get the vast majority of intake from nutrient dense sources and to hit my micros as well for overall health and wellness, and to some degree "performance".
In a surplus, hunger isn't ever an issue really so it never impacts my adherence.
As for cutting, I think it depends on the individual. Nutrient dense foods are obviously more satiating as they typically tend to be more dense in volume and lower in calories... thus "more bang for your buck". However, if you're someone who is able to adhere despite hunger pangs or other issues, it boils down to the same effect.0 -
That is definitely a valid point. I'm a very skinny person (though with low body fat), but that's one reason why I don't plan on building a huge amount of muscle. One issue I've found is that clothes in general are simply not made for people who have lower than average body fat. Even at my size, I've had issues with some shirts not being fitted properly between the shoulders and waist (too tight in the shoulders or arms/fitted in the waist or fitted in the shoulders and too loose in the waist). I can only see this issue becoming worse as I get bigger.The bolded comments are my personal experience. Off season, I walk around between 240 and 250 at 6 ft. tall. Being sedentary and basically doing nothing at all I fluctuate around 228 and 230 lbs. I have to wear 3x shirts and 44" waist pants to fit my quads, even though my waist is 38". So that comment is not subjective, its factual in my case and buying dress clothes is the worst, which is why it's a trade off of the lifestyle.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
That is definitely a valid point. I'm a very skinny person (though with low body fat), but that's one reason why I don't plan on building a huge amount of muscle. One issue I've found is that clothes in general are simply not made for people who have lower than average body fat. Even at my size, I've had issues with some shirts not being fitted properly between the shoulders and waist (too tight in the shoulders or arms/fitted in the waist or fitted in the shoulders and too loose in the waist). I can only see this issue becoming worse as I get bigger.The bolded comments are my personal experience. Off season, I walk around between 240 and 250 at 6 ft. tall. Being sedentary and basically doing nothing at all I fluctuate around 228 and 230 lbs. I have to wear 3x shirts and 44" waist pants to fit my quads, even though my waist is 38". So that comment is not subjective, its factual in my case and buying dress clothes is the worst, which is why it's a trade off of the lifestyle.
Do you think you have the frame to support that size? You said yourself you struggle to get in calories, you don't even have to worry about such a thing. Same goes for the OP, I would bet. Neither of you would make to a point where you need to wear triple X shirts.
Also, pleated pants.0 -
cool. I lift more for performance. Cardio is a must for Martial Arts, Grappling and MMA.0
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cool. I lift more for performance. Cardio is a must for Martial Arts, Grappling and MMA.
Yea, and that's cool. Except that is has nothing to really do with the context of what OP was asking...
Nothing wrong with eating nutrient dense foods
Nothing wrong with cardio
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I agree, definitely not to that level. But any increase in my chest/shoulders/arms without any real increase in waist size will magnify the issue I have of my shirts fitting right. Likewise, as it is now my jeans fit nicely on my hips/thighs but are loose around my waist.LolBroScience wrote: »ForecasterJason wrote: »
That is definitely a valid point. I'm a very skinny person (though with low body fat), but that's one reason why I don't plan on building a huge amount of muscle. One issue I've found is that clothes in general are simply not made for people who have lower than average body fat. Even at my size, I've had issues with some shirts not being fitted properly between the shoulders and waist (too tight in the shoulders or arms/fitted in the waist or fitted in the shoulders and too loose in the waist). I can only see this issue becoming worse as I get bigger.The bolded comments are my personal experience. Off season, I walk around between 240 and 250 at 6 ft. tall. Being sedentary and basically doing nothing at all I fluctuate around 228 and 230 lbs. I have to wear 3x shirts and 44" waist pants to fit my quads, even though my waist is 38". So that comment is not subjective, its factual in my case and buying dress clothes is the worst, which is why it's a trade off of the lifestyle.
Do you think you have the frame to support that size? You said yourself you struggle to get in calories, you don't even have to worry about such a thing. Same goes for the OP, I would bet. Neither of you would make to a point where you need to wear triple X shirts.
Also, pleated pants.
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