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  • arditarose
    arditarose Posts: 15,573 Member
    I'm working with a 250 calorie a day deficit, set to lose .5 a week (though it rarely happens as I'm obviously over eating and not too concerned).

    I'm currently doing 5/3/1. Do you think doing the body building assistance work with it would be beneficial to get a balance of strength and hypertrophy?
  • bk5678
    bk5678 Posts: 1
    Thank you so much for this!
  • shelleygold
    shelleygold Posts: 178 Member
    Hi, I have a question pertaining to healthy and realistic goal creating. What is a reasonable rate of loss per week? I selected a kg a week and mbf calculated 1200 cal max a day. I'm struggling a bit with that. Would appreciate your advice.
  • xMeshi
    xMeshi Posts: 1
    Even if this post is a year old. Thank you! It gives me hope and now I'm even more motivated! But how much calories should I eat each day? 1700 enough?^^
  • romsie
    romsie Posts: 3 Member
    bump
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,219 Member
    arditarose wrote: »
    I'm working with a 250 calorie a day deficit, set to lose .5 a week (though it rarely happens as I'm obviously over eating and not too concerned).

    I'm currently doing 5/3/1. Do you think doing the body building assistance work with it would be beneficial to get a balance of strength and hypertrophy?

    I think when doing a strength program it's a very good idea to add in hypertrophy as assistance work. I know that Jim Wendler built a hypertrophy assistance template for 5/3/1 called Boring But Big. That way you aren't trying to build your own assistance work and hamper your progress in 5/3/1.
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,219 Member
    shelleygold wrote: »
    Hi, I have a question pertaining to healthy and realistic goal creating. What is a reasonable rate of loss per week? I selected a kg a week and mbf calculated 1200 cal max a day. I'm struggling a bit with that. Would appreciate your advice.

    The method I use removes the need to calculate exercise calories. It's a flat intake through the week and takes into account your exercise.

    MFP sets your calorie goal and assumes you'll exercise then eat those calories back. Your goal might be 1200, but if you burn 300 calories and consume those calories you'll actually be eating 1500 calories a day (which is closer to what you should probably be eating).

    If you exercise fairly consistently I would go to this website and let them tell you your intake (just select -15% or -20% under fat loss on step 2): iifym.com/iifym-calculator/
    Doing this method you would count your exercise as 1 calorie burned, because it takes into consideration that you are exercising.

    I know that may be a bit confusing, so feel free to send me a private message and we can try to sort it out better to help you understand or find a method you are comfortable with.
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,219 Member
    xMeshi wrote: »
    Even if this post is a year old. Thank you! It gives me hope and now I'm even more motivated! But how much calories should I eat each day? 1700 enough?^^

    You're a 21 year old male. 1700 is probably not enough for you. Use this link to find a better calorie goal: iifym.com/iifym-calculator/
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,219 Member
    BFDeal wrote: »
    usmcmp wrote: »
    xMeshi wrote: »
    Even if this post is a year old. Thank you! It gives me hope and now I'm even more motivated! But how much calories should I eat each day? 1700 enough?^^

    You're a 21 year old male. 1700 is probably not enough for you. Use this link to find a better calorie goal: iifym.com/iifym-calculator/

    But take the calculators number with a grain of salt. I was eating what it said and it worked for a while then stopped. So there's that.

    Our bodies adjust when we are in a deficit. This is simply a starting point for someone who is new. You know that many people lose lean mass as we lose weight because they don't do strength training. On top of that our hormones and metabolic activity adjust as well. I'm not saying that calculator is 100% accurate for every person and every situation. It's a reassurance that people can eat more than 1000 calories and still lose weight. It's trying to set an appropriate starting point to help them stick to a calorie goal.

    Yes, we all have to eventually make adjustments or take a break from dieting because at some point hormones do play a role.
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,219 Member
    BFDeal wrote: »
    usmcmp wrote: »
    BFDeal wrote: »
    usmcmp wrote: »
    xMeshi wrote: »
    Even if this post is a year old. Thank you! It gives me hope and now I'm even more motivated! But how much calories should I eat each day? 1700 enough?^^

    You're a 21 year old male. 1700 is probably not enough for you. Use this link to find a better calorie goal: iifym.com/iifym-calculator/

    But take the calculators number with a grain of salt. I was eating what it said and it worked for a while then stopped. So there's that.

    Our bodies adjust when we are in a deficit. This is simply a starting point for someone who is new. You know that many people lose lean mass as we lose weight because they don't do strength training. On top of that our hormones and metabolic activity adjust as well. I'm not saying that calculator is 100% accurate for every person and every situation. It's a reassurance that people can eat more than 1000 calories and still lose weight. It's trying to set an appropriate starting point to help them stick to a calorie goal.

    Yes, we all have to eventually make adjustments or take a break from dieting because at some point hormones do play a role.

    All I know is if it doesn't work this next time I'm just slashing my calories to 1500 inspite of everyone swearing you don't have to put them low. I've noticed the hip thing to do here is brag about how much you can eat and still lose. It's BS. And you never hear anyone mention anything about hormones or diet breaks. It's always "you're eating too much" or "you're not logging." Yeah, because the other 135lbs I knew how to log but I suddenly forgot last week. Ohhhhh, that's it. OK.

    I really don't want to turn this thread into a pissing match about nothing. I'm sorry that you struggle and that others struggle. I talk about how much I eat and still lose to let many of the newer people know that they don't have to starve themselves to see success, but it's far from bragging because I try to help them find a great balance point of intake and fat loss. When people come to me with issues and swear they are logging 100% accurate and their blood work is normal then I give them suggestions such as leptin refeeds and diet breaks.

    Sure, there are plenty of people who just don't have issues with losing fat and have no idea how to go about fixing the issue when someone has legitimately stalled. Those are few and far between because many cases on here the issue is inaccurate logging. I've tried to help you, but after giving you a few suggestions you stopped replying to me. To avoid further derailing the thread feel free to continue this by PM.
  • Hily93
    Hily93 Posts: 65 Member
    Great post! Alot of things we don't think of!
  • shelleygold
    shelleygold Posts: 178 Member
    usmcmp: I really appreciate your response and advice. Also your reference to the calculator for which you even provided the link. You offer your time and exercise in a very generous manner in this forum and I am most grateful. I would like to discuss a more specific issue with my plan if that does not overload you and I am not sure how you prefer private messages so perhaps you could let me know the procedure. Again, thank you.
    S
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,219 Member
    shelleygold wrote: »
    usmcmp: I really appreciate your response and advice. Also your reference to the calculator for which you even provided the link. You offer your time and exercise in a very generous manner in this forum and I am most grateful. I would like to discuss a more specific issue with my plan if that does not overload you and I am not sure how you prefer private messages so perhaps you could let me know the procedure. Again, thank you.
    S

    I don't mind answering questions at all. Click on my name below my picture <-- to go to my profile then click the send a message button.
  • estherlion
    estherlion Posts: 86 Member
    usmcmp, you are an inspiration! I am barely getting into strength training and used to buy in to the fact that cardio is the only way to get a nice stomach. I hate cardio. I know you mention the You Are Your Own Gym program, which I'll definitely look into. Can you explain a little bit about how much actual weight I should be lifting as a beginner? Any other advice you can provide would be great. Thanks for all your time in responding to everybody. I am learning so much from you. Blessings!
  • usmcmp
    usmcmp Posts: 21,219 Member
    estherlion wrote: »
    usmcmp, you are an inspiration! I am barely getting into strength training and used to buy in to the fact that cardio is the only way to get a nice stomach. I hate cardio. I know you mention the You Are Your Own Gym program, which I'll definitely look into. Can you explain a little bit about how much actual weight I should be lifting as a beginner? Any other advice you can provide would be great. Thanks for all your time in responding to everybody. I am learning so much from you. Blessings!

    How much actual weight you should be lifting as a beginner depends entirely on you. There is no bad starting point. We all have different strengths and weaknesses. You do what you can and try to do a bit better each time. You might start out doing half of a push up from your knees and then in a few weeks manage two half push ups from your knees and eventually over months work up to a single regular push up. Some people may start out being able to do multiple regular push ups. There is no wrong starting point, just track where you start and work to get better.
  • gloriakcameron
    gloriakcameron Posts: 1 Member
    This is really helpful!!!!! I will definitely use this!
  • arditarose
    arditarose Posts: 15,573 Member
    usmcmp wrote: »
    arditarose wrote: »
    I'm working with a 250 calorie a day deficit, set to lose .5 a week (though it rarely happens as I'm obviously over eating and not too concerned).

    I'm currently doing 5/3/1. Do you think doing the body building assistance work with it would be beneficial to get a balance of strength and hypertrophy?

    I think when doing a strength program it's a very good idea to add in hypertrophy as assistance work. I know that Jim Wendler built a hypertrophy assistance template for 5/3/1 called Boring But Big. That way you aren't trying to build your own assistance work and hamper your progress in 5/3/1.

    Ah okay, I wasn't sure if I should do the BBB or not. Didn't seem like enough variation, though when I did it I definitely felt like I got a good workout.
  • vs_shine
    vs_shine Posts: 1,322 Member
    bump!
  • amy_steel23
    amy_steel23 Posts: 1
    Some really good advice thank you ☺️
  • blankiefinder
    blankiefinder Posts: 3,599 Member
    Thanks for the inspiration! I've now lost 31 pounds and am 3 pounds from the weight that I set for myself to start transitioning from a losing weight / cardio perspective, into starting to lift heavy. I bought myself NROLFW for Christmas and I figure I have about 4 weeks to get through it and figure out a plan of attack. The only area on me that's still really bad is my tummy, it's horrifying :\ I grew straight outwards during my second pregnancy 16 years ago, and even though I only put on 22 lbs, the scarring has prevented the skin from shrinking which has really discouraged me.

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