Ayurvedic nutrition for weight loss (and general sanity)
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margaretlb4 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »
Can you find me a reputable peer reviewed article in a high impact journal using harmony to describe bodily processes?Great article. And see, even doctors describe the body as being out of homeostasis, harmony, balance, equilibrium, etc...all the time!
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ams2.17/abstract
Harmony is a human concept, not one nature looks for. I believe I recall even seeing biologist want to move away from homeostasis being used so much because it gives lay people the idea things get to a static equilibrium that they stay at.
I looked it up. It is peer reviewed, but it seems to be limited to a Japanese Association. It's definitely not a high impact journal, for sure.
There might be some cultural issues involved with using words like harmony, or translation issues going on.
Also, if you parse the grammar of the title of the article, it's not using harmony to describe the state of the body, but rather using harmony to describe the state of the body's homeostasis as opposed to a state of homeostatic "discordance".
I think we've got a language barrier thing happening here. Nothing more.
i dunno. James Lederer doesn't sound like a Japanese name.
I'm guessing he's the translator, or working over there. It's still a Japanese association, and what I said about word usage holds. Saying "harmony and discordance of immune system homeostasis" is not the same as saying "the harmony of one's body".
The article is talking about inflammatory responses going overboard in response to trauma, if my scan of it was correct. There's an apparent balance (normally of inflammatory and anti-inflammatory response) in the immune system, which is usually in homestasis, which trauma disrupts.
Nine pages into Google Scholar, and the only hits for harmony were a physician with that last name, psychological/behavioral studies, and computer stuff that was way over my head.
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margaretlb4 wrote: »
Can you find me a reputable peer reviewed article in a high impact journal using harmony to describe bodily processes?Great article. And see, even doctors describe the body as being out of homeostasis, harmony, balance, equilibrium, etc...all the time!
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ams2.17/abstract
Harmony is a human concept, not one nature looks for. I believe I recall even seeing biologist want to move away from homeostasis being used so much because it gives lay people the idea things get to a static equilibrium that they stay at.
if you look at author info it says harvard medical school? sounds reputable.
Stephanie Seneff is an MIT researcher who publishes tripe that GMOs are going to leave everyone autistic by the end if the century. Harvard credentials don't make me assume reputable.0 -
margaretlb4 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »
Can you find me a reputable peer reviewed article in a high impact journal using harmony to describe bodily processes?Great article. And see, even doctors describe the body as being out of homeostasis, harmony, balance, equilibrium, etc...all the time!
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ams2.17/abstract
Harmony is a human concept, not one nature looks for. I believe I recall even seeing biologist want to move away from homeostasis being used so much because it gives lay people the idea things get to a static equilibrium that they stay at.
I looked it up. It is peer reviewed, but it seems to be limited to a Japanese Association. It's definitely not a high impact journal, for sure.
There might be some cultural issues involved with using words like harmony, or translation issues going on.
Also, if you parse the grammar of the title of the article, it's not using harmony to describe the state of the body, but rather using harmony to describe the state of the body's homeostasis as opposed to a state of homeostatic "discordance".
I think we've got a language barrier thing happening here. Nothing more.
i dunno. James Lederer doesn't sound like a Japanese name.
Looked at the other 4 authors? Totemo nihongo no namae ga aru yo!0 -
I did a find to see if harmony shows any where else in the article, nope. I agree the title is probably a hard to translate Japanese concept.mamapeach910 wrote: »
Can you find me a reputable peer reviewed article in a high impact journal using harmony to describe bodily processes?Great article. And see, even doctors describe the body as being out of homeostasis, harmony, balance, equilibrium, etc...all the time!
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ams2.17/abstract
Harmony is a human concept, not one nature looks for. I believe I recall even seeing biologist want to move away from homeostasis being used so much because it gives lay people the idea things get to a static equilibrium that they stay at.
I looked it up. It is peer reviewed, but it seems to be limited to a Japanese Association. It's definitely not a high impact journal, for sure.
There might be some cultural issues involved with using words like harmony, or translation issues going on.
Also, if you parse the grammar of the title of the article, it's not using harmony to describe the state of the body, but rather using harmony to describe the state of the body's homeostasis as opposed to a state of homeostatic "discordance".
I think we've got a language barrier thing happening here. Nothing more.
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margaretlb4 wrote: »
Can you find me a reputable peer reviewed article in a high impact journal using harmony to describe bodily processes?Great article. And see, even doctors describe the body as being out of homeostasis, harmony, balance, equilibrium, etc...all the time!
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ams2.17/abstract
Harmony is a human concept, not one nature looks for. I believe I recall even seeing biologist want to move away from homeostasis being used so much because it gives lay people the idea things get to a static equilibrium that they stay at.
if you look at author info it says harvard medical school? sounds reputable.
Stephanie Seneff is an MIT researcher who publishes tripe that GMOs are going to leave everyone autistic by the end if the century. Harvard credentials don't make me assume reputable.
I'm not sure what she has to do with anything.
Based on the response I'm getting from y'all, it does seem like anything I say will be discredited. I am not a doctor but I'm curious if any of you work in the medical profession?0 -
margaretlb4 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »
Can you find me a reputable peer reviewed article in a high impact journal using harmony to describe bodily processes?Great article. And see, even doctors describe the body as being out of homeostasis, harmony, balance, equilibrium, etc...all the time!
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ams2.17/abstract
Harmony is a human concept, not one nature looks for. I believe I recall even seeing biologist want to move away from homeostasis being used so much because it gives lay people the idea things get to a static equilibrium that they stay at.
if you look at author info it says harvard medical school? sounds reputable.
Stephanie Seneff is an MIT researcher who publishes tripe that GMOs are going to leave everyone autistic by the end if the century. Harvard credentials don't make me assume reputable.
I'm not sure what she has to do with anything.
Based on the response I'm getting from y'all, it does seem like anything I say will be discredited. I am not a doctor but I'm curious if any of you work in the medical profession?
My point is you can have a degree poor even work for a prestigious institute and still be a complete fraud. Him being a Harvard MD doesn't make me assume his research is legit.0 -
margaretlb4 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »
Can you find me a reputable peer reviewed article in a high impact journal using harmony to describe bodily processes?Great article. And see, even doctors describe the body as being out of homeostasis, harmony, balance, equilibrium, etc...all the time!
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ams2.17/abstract
Harmony is a human concept, not one nature looks for. I believe I recall even seeing biologist want to move away from homeostasis being used so much because it gives lay people the idea things get to a static equilibrium that they stay at.
if you look at author info it says harvard medical school? sounds reputable.
Stephanie Seneff is an MIT researcher who publishes tripe that GMOs are going to leave everyone autistic by the end if the century. Harvard credentials don't make me assume reputable.
I'm not sure what she has to do with anything.
Based on the response I'm getting from y'all, it does seem like anything I say will be discredited. I am not a doctor but I'm curious if any of you work in the medical profession?
My point is you can have a degree poor even work for a prestigious institute and still be a complete fraud. Him being a Harvard MD doesn't make me assume his research is legit.
I get your point. Based on this reasoning, anyone can be discredited. Therefore anything I say you can point out a fallacy. It's frustrating.
And you did not answer my question about being involved in the medical profession. I'd also be quite curious to know about your eating and health habits.0 -
margaretlb4 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »
Can you find me a reputable peer reviewed article in a high impact journal using harmony to describe bodily processes?Great article. And see, even doctors describe the body as being out of homeostasis, harmony, balance, equilibrium, etc...all the time!
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ams2.17/abstract
Harmony is a human concept, not one nature looks for. I believe I recall even seeing biologist want to move away from homeostasis being used so much because it gives lay people the idea things get to a static equilibrium that they stay at.
if you look at author info it says harvard medical school? sounds reputable.
Stephanie Seneff is an MIT researcher who publishes tripe that GMOs are going to leave everyone autistic by the end if the century. Harvard credentials don't make me assume reputable.
I'm not sure what she has to do with anything.
Based on the response I'm getting from y'all, it does seem like anything I say will be discredited. I am not a doctor but I'm curious if any of you work in the medical profession?
My point is you can have a degree poor even work for a prestigious institute and still be a complete fraud. Him being a Harvard MD doesn't make me assume his research is legit.
I get your point. Based on this reasoning, anyone can be discredited. Therefore anything I say you can point out a fallacy. It's frustrating.
And you did not answer my question about being involved in the medical profession. I'd also be quite curious to know about your eating and health habits.
@senecarr I apologize if the enquiry into your health and eating habits sounds a little mean. I am just curious about the habits of who is giving advice or making claims.
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Well, I'm not senecarr, but you can look in my diary for my eating. As for my health habits, I exercise as much as my health allows. This past week? Thanks to a stalled weather front, not much has been happening because I have been suffering with a migraine and its remnants since last Sunday (the one that started then was exercise induced).
I'm one of the rare people whose migraines increased rather than decreased with menopause. Mine are chronic and in the top tier of chronic severity, according to my neurologist. He's a specialist with one of the two main headache centers in the country. I also have 3 autoimmune conditions in addition to CFS/fibromyalgia.
But? Saying that? I'm fine and functional. I'm not defined by any of that. I'm a wife, I'm a mother. I like my new found exercise of water jogging. I like lifting weights. I like walking on the treadmill and zoning out to music. I'm a vegetarian.
I'm an atheist who at one point in time wanted to be a nun, at another was a fundamentalist Christian, and at yet another was pagan. I've also tried many fad diets over the years. Anything else you'd like to know?0 -
I didn't discredit him, I just don't assume he's credible coming out of Harvard.margaretlb4 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »
Can you find me a reputable peer reviewed article in a high impact journal using harmony to describe bodily processes?Great article. And see, even doctors describe the body as being out of homeostasis, harmony, balance, equilibrium, etc...all the time!
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ams2.17/abstract
Harmony is a human concept, not one nature looks for. I believe I recall even seeing biologist want to move away from homeostasis being used so much because it gives lay people the idea things get to a static equilibrium that they stay at.
if you look at author info it says harvard medical school? sounds reputable.
Stephanie Seneff is an MIT researcher who publishes tripe that GMOs are going to leave everyone autistic by the end if the century. Harvard credentials don't make me assume reputable.
I'm not sure what she has to do with anything.
Based on the response I'm getting from y'all, it does seem like anything I say will be discredited. I am not a doctor but I'm curious if any of you work in the medical profession?
My point is you can have a degree poor even work for a prestigious institute and still be a complete fraud. Him being a Harvard MD doesn't make me assume his research is legit.
I get your point. Based on this reasoning, anyone can be discredited. Therefore anything I say you can point out a fallacy. It's frustrating.
And you did not answer my question about being involved in the medical profession. I'd also be quite curious to know about your eating and health habits.
I'm by no means a medical or dietary professional. I am a skeptic that follows evidence based claims, and reads the primary sources for claims when available.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »Well, I'm not senecarr, but you can look in my diary for my eating. As for my health habits, I exercise as much as my health allows. This past week? Thanks to a stalled weather front, not much has been happening because I have been suffering with a migraine and its remnants since last Sunday (the one that started then was exercise induced).
I'm one of the rare people whose migraines increased rather than decreased with menopause. Mine are chronic and in the top tier of chronic severity, according to my neurologist. He's a specialist with one of the two main headache centers in the country. I also have 3 autoimmune conditions in addition to CFS/fibromyalgia.
But? Saying that? I'm fine and functional. I'm not defined by any of that. I'm a wife, I'm a mother. I like my new found exercise of water jogging. I like lifting weights. I like walking on the treadmill and zoning out to music. I'm a vegetarian.
I'm an atheist who at one point in time wanted to be a nun, at another was a fundamentalist Christian, and at yet another was pagan. I've also tried many fad diets over the years. Anything else you'd like to know?
Well you sound fascinating, intelligent, and with much interesting life experience.
And I have looked at your diary....definitely healthy.
All that said, you are not a doctor, though most of my last gripe was more aimed at @senecarr and everything I say being debunked.
I see top medical doctors in LA as well....ones that refer me to acupuncturists and alternative health practitioners that they work hand in hand with. So it seems that the medical profession- or at least the docs I deal with - are much more open-minded to alternative practitioners than y'all are. I've been harmed by diagnoses more often from allopathic docs than naturopathic/integrative ones, who in my experience are more thoughtful. But I go to both.0 -
My actual schooling and work are in computer science / software engineering, if it matters.0
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I didn't discredit him, I just don't assume he's credible coming out of Harvard.margaretlb4 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »
Can you find me a reputable peer reviewed article in a high impact journal using harmony to describe bodily processes?Great article. And see, even doctors describe the body as being out of homeostasis, harmony, balance, equilibrium, etc...all the time!
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ams2.17/abstract
Harmony is a human concept, not one nature looks for. I believe I recall even seeing biologist want to move away from homeostasis being used so much because it gives lay people the idea things get to a static equilibrium that they stay at.
if you look at author info it says harvard medical school? sounds reputable.
Stephanie Seneff is an MIT researcher who publishes tripe that GMOs are going to leave everyone autistic by the end if the century. Harvard credentials don't make me assume reputable.
I'm not sure what she has to do with anything.
Based on the response I'm getting from y'all, it does seem like anything I say will be discredited. I am not a doctor but I'm curious if any of you work in the medical profession?
My point is you can have a degree poor even work for a prestigious institute and still be a complete fraud. Him being a Harvard MD doesn't make me assume his research is legit.
I get your point. Based on this reasoning, anyone can be discredited. Therefore anything I say you can point out a fallacy. It's frustrating.
And you did not answer my question about being involved in the medical profession. I'd also be quite curious to know about your eating and health habits.
I'm by no means a medical or dietary professional. I am a skeptic that follows evidence based claims, and reads the primary sources for claims when available.
What you are saying now makes sense, but that isn't what you said before. I don't assume credibility out of Harvard either, but I thought it would fall under y'alls definitions of credible based on previous posts.
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My actual schooling and work are in computer science / software engineering, if it matters.
yes, that is helpful - I was wondering if you had training in either allopathic or integrative health. Since you've been posting alot of studies, I wondered if you were somehow involved in medicine of some kind.
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I said I don't assume the Harvard person is credible because they're Harvard. I weight evidence and methods, not authority.margaretlb4 wrote: »
I didn't discredit him, I just don't assume he's credible coming out of Harvard.margaretlb4 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »
Can you find me a reputable peer reviewed article in a high impact journal using harmony to describe bodily processes?Great article. And see, even doctors describe the body as being out of homeostasis, harmony, balance, equilibrium, etc...all the time!
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ams2.17/abstract
Harmony is a human concept, not one nature looks for. I believe I recall even seeing biologist want to move away from homeostasis being used so much because it gives lay people the idea things get to a static equilibrium that they stay at.
if you look at author info it says harvard medical school? sounds reputable.
Stephanie Seneff is an MIT researcher who publishes tripe that GMOs are going to leave everyone autistic by the end if the century. Harvard credentials don't make me assume reputable.
I'm not sure what she has to do with anything.
Based on the response I'm getting from y'all, it does seem like anything I say will be discredited. I am not a doctor but I'm curious if any of you work in the medical profession?
My point is you can have a degree poor even work for a prestigious institute and still be a complete fraud. Him being a Harvard MD doesn't make me assume his research is legit.
I get your point. Based on this reasoning, anyone can be discredited. Therefore anything I say you can point out a fallacy. It's frustrating.
And you did not answer my question about being involved in the medical profession. I'd also be quite curious to know about your eating and health habits.
I'm by no means a medical or dietary professional. I am a skeptic that follows evidence based claims, and reads the primary sources for claims when available.
What you are saying now makes sense, but that isn't what you said before. I don't assume credibility out of Harvard either, but I thought it would fall under y'alls definitions of credible based on previous posts.
I did joke about university of Michigan being right by being university of Michigan, but that was a joke.
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I said I don't assume the Harvard person is credible because they're Harvard. I weight evidence and methods, not authority.margaretlb4 wrote: »
I didn't discredit him, I just don't assume he's credible coming out of Harvard.margaretlb4 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »
Can you find me a reputable peer reviewed article in a high impact journal using harmony to describe bodily processes?Great article. And see, even doctors describe the body as being out of homeostasis, harmony, balance, equilibrium, etc...all the time!
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ams2.17/abstract
Harmony is a human concept, not one nature looks for. I believe I recall even seeing biologist want to move away from homeostasis being used so much because it gives lay people the idea things get to a static equilibrium that they stay at.
if you look at author info it says harvard medical school? sounds reputable.
Stephanie Seneff is an MIT researcher who publishes tripe that GMOs are going to leave everyone autistic by the end if the century. Harvard credentials don't make me assume reputable.
I'm not sure what she has to do with anything.
Based on the response I'm getting from y'all, it does seem like anything I say will be discredited. I am not a doctor but I'm curious if any of you work in the medical profession?
My point is you can have a degree poor even work for a prestigious institute and still be a complete fraud. Him being a Harvard MD doesn't make me assume his research is legit.
I get your point. Based on this reasoning, anyone can be discredited. Therefore anything I say you can point out a fallacy. It's frustrating.
And you did not answer my question about being involved in the medical profession. I'd also be quite curious to know about your eating and health habits.
I'm by no means a medical or dietary professional. I am a skeptic that follows evidence based claims, and reads the primary sources for claims when available.
What you are saying now makes sense, but that isn't what you said before. I don't assume credibility out of Harvard either, but I thought it would fall under y'alls definitions of credible based on previous posts.
I did joke about university of Michigan being right by being university of Michigan, but that was a joke.
that makes sense for you, but I'm sure you can see that where I am coming from, it makes sense that I might pay more attention to a study co-authored by a Harvard physician than an anonymous MFP poster trained in computer science. Albeit one who reads medical studies.0 -
margaretlb4 wrote: »
I said I don't assume the Harvard person is credible because they're Harvard. I weight evidence and methods, not authority.margaretlb4 wrote: »
I didn't discredit him, I just don't assume he's credible coming out of Harvard.margaretlb4 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »
Can you find me a reputable peer reviewed article in a high impact journal using harmony to describe bodily processes?Great article. And see, even doctors describe the body as being out of homeostasis, harmony, balance, equilibrium, etc...all the time!
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ams2.17/abstract
Harmony is a human concept, not one nature looks for. I believe I recall even seeing biologist want to move away from homeostasis being used so much because it gives lay people the idea things get to a static equilibrium that they stay at.
if you look at author info it says harvard medical school? sounds reputable.
Stephanie Seneff is an MIT researcher who publishes tripe that GMOs are going to leave everyone autistic by the end if the century. Harvard credentials don't make me assume reputable.
I'm not sure what she has to do with anything.
Based on the response I'm getting from y'all, it does seem like anything I say will be discredited. I am not a doctor but I'm curious if any of you work in the medical profession?
My point is you can have a degree poor even work for a prestigious institute and still be a complete fraud. Him being a Harvard MD doesn't make me assume his research is legit.
I get your point. Based on this reasoning, anyone can be discredited. Therefore anything I say you can point out a fallacy. It's frustrating.
And you did not answer my question about being involved in the medical profession. I'd also be quite curious to know about your eating and health habits.
I'm by no means a medical or dietary professional. I am a skeptic that follows evidence based claims, and reads the primary sources for claims when available.
What you are saying now makes sense, but that isn't what you said before. I don't assume credibility out of Harvard either, but I thought it would fall under y'alls definitions of credible based on previous posts.
I did joke about university of Michigan being right by being university of Michigan, but that was a joke.
that makes sense for you, but I'm sure you can see that where I am coming from, it makes sense that I might pay more attention to a study co-authored by a Harvard physician than an anonymous MFP poster trained in computer science. Albeit one who reads medical studies.
It might make more sense to pay attention to logic and reasoning than to the false authority of an institution, though.
The main point that's gotten lost? The use of harmony in the title of that article in no way supports the way it's used in the context of ayurveda in relation to the body, and the OP's claim that it's used by doctor's "all the time" was not supported by a search of Google Scholar.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »
I said I don't assume the Harvard person is credible because they're Harvard. I weight evidence and methods, not authority.margaretlb4 wrote: »
I didn't discredit him, I just don't assume he's credible coming out of Harvard.margaretlb4 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »
Can you find me a reputable peer reviewed article in a high impact journal using harmony to describe bodily processes?Great article. And see, even doctors describe the body as being out of homeostasis, harmony, balance, equilibrium, etc...all the time!
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ams2.17/abstract
Harmony is a human concept, not one nature looks for. I believe I recall even seeing biologist want to move away from homeostasis being used so much because it gives lay people the idea things get to a static equilibrium that they stay at.
if you look at author info it says harvard medical school? sounds reputable.
Stephanie Seneff is an MIT researcher who publishes tripe that GMOs are going to leave everyone autistic by the end if the century. Harvard credentials don't make me assume reputable.
I'm not sure what she has to do with anything.
Based on the response I'm getting from y'all, it does seem like anything I say will be discredited. I am not a doctor but I'm curious if any of you work in the medical profession?
My point is you can have a degree poor even work for a prestigious institute and still be a complete fraud. Him being a Harvard MD doesn't make me assume his research is legit.
I get your point. Based on this reasoning, anyone can be discredited. Therefore anything I say you can point out a fallacy. It's frustrating.
And you did not answer my question about being involved in the medical profession. I'd also be quite curious to know about your eating and health habits.
I'm by no means a medical or dietary professional. I am a skeptic that follows evidence based claims, and reads the primary sources for claims when available.
What you are saying now makes sense, but that isn't what you said before. I don't assume credibility out of Harvard either, but I thought it would fall under y'alls definitions of credible based on previous posts.
I did joke about university of Michigan being right by being university of Michigan, but that was a joke.
that makes sense for you, but I'm sure you can see that where I am coming from, it makes sense that I might pay more attention to a study co-authored by a Harvard physician than an anonymous MFP poster trained in computer science. Albeit one who reads medical studies.
It might make more sense to pay attention to logic and reasoning than to the false authority of an institution, though.
The main point that's gotten lost? The use of harmony in the title of that article in no way supports the way it's used in the context of ayurveda in relation to the body, and the OP's claim that it's used by doctor's "all the time" was not supported by a search of Google Scholar.
Well as is made clear by this thread, one person's logic and reasoning can be quite different than another's, and I don't follow y'alls logic most of the time. I also am not following your "use of harmony" point at all? I'm also gonna take a break from this, gotta get some work done.0 -
Good, there are at least a dozen major organizations including Green Peace that accept a PhD Comp Sci researcher's claims because it tells them what they want to hear.margaretlb4 wrote: »
I said I don't assume the Harvard person is credible because they're Harvard. I weight evidence and methods, not authority.margaretlb4 wrote: »
I didn't discredit him, I just don't assume he's credible coming out of Harvard.margaretlb4 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »
Can you find me a reputable peer reviewed article in a high impact journal using harmony to describe bodily processes?Great article. And see, even doctors describe the body as being out of homeostasis, harmony, balance, equilibrium, etc...all the time!
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ams2.17/abstract
Harmony is a human concept, not one nature looks for. I believe I recall even seeing biologist want to move away from homeostasis being used so much because it gives lay people the idea things get to a static equilibrium that they stay at.
if you look at author info it says harvard medical school? sounds reputable.
Stephanie Seneff is an MIT researcher who publishes tripe that GMOs are going to leave everyone autistic by the end if the century. Harvard credentials don't make me assume reputable.
I'm not sure what she has to do with anything.
Based on the response I'm getting from y'all, it does seem like anything I say will be discredited. I am not a doctor but I'm curious if any of you work in the medical profession?
My point is you can have a degree poor even work for a prestigious institute and still be a complete fraud. Him being a Harvard MD doesn't make me assume his research is legit.
I get your point. Based on this reasoning, anyone can be discredited. Therefore anything I say you can point out a fallacy. It's frustrating.
And you did not answer my question about being involved in the medical profession. I'd also be quite curious to know about your eating and health habits.
I'm by no means a medical or dietary professional. I am a skeptic that follows evidence based claims, and reads the primary sources for claims when available.
What you are saying now makes sense, but that isn't what you said before. I don't assume credibility out of Harvard either, but I thought it would fall under y'alls definitions of credible based on previous posts.
I did joke about university of Michigan being right by being university of Michigan, but that was a joke.
that makes sense for you, but I'm sure you can see that where I am coming from, it makes sense that I might pay more attention to a study co-authored by a Harvard physician than an anonymous MFP poster trained in computer science. Albeit one who reads medical studies.
I haven't looked at the linked study enough to say if it is valid, I do find using the term harmony in the paper title odd, especially as the article itself never does.
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margaretlb4 wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »
I said I don't assume the Harvard person is credible because they're Harvard. I weight evidence and methods, not authority.margaretlb4 wrote: »
I didn't discredit him, I just don't assume he's credible coming out of Harvard.margaretlb4 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »
Can you find me a reputable peer reviewed article in a high impact journal using harmony to describe bodily processes?Great article. And see, even doctors describe the body as being out of homeostasis, harmony, balance, equilibrium, etc...all the time!
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ams2.17/abstract
Harmony is a human concept, not one nature looks for. I believe I recall even seeing biologist want to move away from homeostasis being used so much because it gives lay people the idea things get to a static equilibrium that they stay at.
if you look at author info it says harvard medical school? sounds reputable.
Stephanie Seneff is an MIT researcher who publishes tripe that GMOs are going to leave everyone autistic by the end if the century. Harvard credentials don't make me assume reputable.
I'm not sure what she has to do with anything.
Based on the response I'm getting from y'all, it does seem like anything I say will be discredited. I am not a doctor but I'm curious if any of you work in the medical profession?
My point is you can have a degree poor even work for a prestigious institute and still be a complete fraud. Him being a Harvard MD doesn't make me assume his research is legit.
I get your point. Based on this reasoning, anyone can be discredited. Therefore anything I say you can point out a fallacy. It's frustrating.
And you did not answer my question about being involved in the medical profession. I'd also be quite curious to know about your eating and health habits.
I'm by no means a medical or dietary professional. I am a skeptic that follows evidence based claims, and reads the primary sources for claims when available.
What you are saying now makes sense, but that isn't what you said before. I don't assume credibility out of Harvard either, but I thought it would fall under y'alls definitions of credible based on previous posts.
I did joke about university of Michigan being right by being university of Michigan, but that was a joke.
that makes sense for you, but I'm sure you can see that where I am coming from, it makes sense that I might pay more attention to a study co-authored by a Harvard physician than an anonymous MFP poster trained in computer science. Albeit one who reads medical studies.
It might make more sense to pay attention to logic and reasoning than to the false authority of an institution, though.
The main point that's gotten lost? The use of harmony in the title of that article in no way supports the way it's used in the context of ayurveda in relation to the body, and the OP's claim that it's used by doctor's "all the time" was not supported by a search of Google Scholar.
Well as is made clear by this thread, one person's logic and reasoning can be quite different than another's, and I don't follow y'alls logic most of the time. I also am not following your "use of harmony" point at all? I'm also gonna take a break from this, gotta get some work done.
The OP used the article to prove a point that doctors in current medicine make use of the concept of harmony in the same way that ayurveda does.
I don't think she read the full article, because the text never once mentions the word harmony, and the context of its usage in the title is not the same as its use in ayurveda.
In other words, the article didn't prove what the OP thought it proved.
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My diary should also be open but it looks silly. 5 cups of frozen vegetables and a load of chicken breasts most weekdays, followed by eating like an 8 year old on weekends.0
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margaretlb4 wrote: »I noticed that this went down from 506 to 476 posts...???
Likely some posts that violated the community terms got deleted.
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MFP can't handle the truth!margaretlb4 wrote: »I noticed that this went down from 506 to 476 posts...???
QUICK EVERYONE POST IN ANGRY CAPITAL LETTERS BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE.0 -
margaretlb4 wrote: »I noticed that this went down from 506 to 476 posts...???
Likely some posts that violated the community terms got deleted.
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margaretlb4 wrote: »margaretlb4 wrote: »I noticed that this went down from 506 to 476 posts...???
Likely some posts that violated the community terms got deleted.
Is there a way to tell if your posts have been deleted?
I have no idea. Sorry I'm not more helpful!
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