Anyone fancy doing a juice detox?
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nordlead2005 wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I did it last year and kept it all off for 7 months then went on holiday and got back into old habits... I was not starving and actually felt amazing
This is just a kick start and it really helped me with food management and cravings last time.
If you did it last year and it worked so well, why would you have to do it again?Don't get me wrong I really appreciate the feedback and I will read into it more but I did it and I know how healthy it made me feel, my skin condition disappeared for almost 9 months, I felt great.
This was likely due to cutting out meat and dairy, not because of the juice. My skin has cleared immensely since becoming vegan.
You can make 100g protein with just veggies
Wow, that's impressive
The recommended protein requirement for women is not 100g. 100 is extremely high and there is actually no physiological reason to eat that much protein. In fact, diets high in animal protein are linked to heart disease and osteoporosis.
Really? Care to source that health link?
The recommended protein minimum is 0.64-0.8g per lb bodyweight when you are interested in hypertrophy
I weigh 158lb so my bare minimum would be 101g ...the OP is male, with 70lbs to lose, I assume he weighs more than me
So you can see why I'd be interested in your assertion that you can hit protein goals just with vegetables. What exactly is your goal?
You over quote the minimum all the time. 0.37g/lb (0.8g/kg) is the minimum recommended protein for the average person (USDA recomendation).
0.64g/lb is the recommended amount for bodybuilders to get maximum benefit (this covers most body builders). 0.82g/lb is additional markup to cover the most genetically gifted people (this covers essentially everyone).
http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/the-myth-of-1glb-optimal-protein-intake-for-bodybuilders/
So, unless your goal is optimal muscle building there is no reason to be eating even 0.64g/lb per day.
I said hypertrophy (building muscle)
Generally when I recommend protein minimums it is to those who are interested in preserving their muscle mass whilst dieting eating at a defecit, when protein is even more important, so no I don't believe I over quote
In most cases dieters need to eat double the US RDA..happy to quote additional studies if you're interested
However I'm still interested in how you would achieve adequate protein with just vegetables ...whatever you believe your approach RDA is0 -
forgtmenot wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I did it last year and kept it all off for 7 months then went on holiday and got back into old habits... I was not starving and actually felt amazing
This is just a kick start and it really helped me with food management and cravings last time.
If you did it last year and it worked so well, why would you have to do it again?Don't get me wrong I really appreciate the feedback and I will read into it more but I did it and I know how healthy it made me feel, my skin condition disappeared for almost 9 months, I felt great.
This was likely due to cutting out meat and dairy, not because of the juice. My skin has cleared immensely since becoming vegan.
You can make 100g protein with just veggies
Wow, that's impressive
The recommended protein requirement for women is not 100g. 100 is extremely high and there is actually no physiological reason to eat that much protein. In fact, diets high in animal protein are linked to heart disease and osteoporosis.
Really? Care to source that health link?
The recommended protein minimum is 0.64-0.8g per lb bodyweight when you are interested in hypertrophy
I weigh 158lb so my bare minimum would be 101g ...the OP is male, with 70lbs to lose, I assume he weighs more than me
So you can see why I'd be interested in your assertion that you can hit protein goals just with vegetables. What exactly is your goal?
http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/vegetables-high-in-protein.php
Here is a list of vegetables that are high in protein. Now if your goal is 100g that would be difficult to meet, but if it is something more modest like 40-60g it wouldn't be difficult at all. I don't eat anywhere near 100g and I feel amazing. In fact I've also been on high protein low carb (before I became vegan) and I never felt this good eating high protein. We do not need large amounts of protein to live and be healthy. It is simply untrue. Many people, even non vegans, don't eat that much protein and I don't see them being rushed to the hospital for protein deficiency.0 -
forgtmenot wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I did it last year and kept it all off for 7 months then went on holiday and got back into old habits... I was not starving and actually felt amazing
This is just a kick start and it really helped me with food management and cravings last time.
If you did it last year and it worked so well, why would you have to do it again?Don't get me wrong I really appreciate the feedback and I will read into it more but I did it and I know how healthy it made me feel, my skin condition disappeared for almost 9 months, I felt great.
This was likely due to cutting out meat and dairy, not because of the juice. My skin has cleared immensely since becoming vegan.
You can make 100g protein with just veggies
Wow, that's impressive
The recommended protein requirement for women is not 100g. 100 is extremely high and there is actually no physiological reason to eat that much protein. In fact, diets high in animal protein are linked to heart disease and osteoporosis.
Really? Care to source that health link?
The recommended protein minimum is 0.64-0.8g per lb bodyweight when you are interested in hypertrophy
I weigh 158lb so my bare minimum would be 101g ...the OP is male, with 70lbs to lose, I assume he weighs more than me
So you can see why I'd be interested in your assertion that you can hit protein goals just with vegetables. What exactly is your goal?
http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/vegetables-high-in-protein.php
Here is a list of vegetables that are high in protein. Now if your goal is 100g that would be difficult to meet, but if it is something more modest like 40-60g it wouldn't be difficult at all. I don't eat anywhere near 100g and I feel amazing. In fact I've also been on high protein low carb (before I became vegan) and I never felt this good eating high protein. We do not need large amounts of protein to live and be healthy. It is simply untrue. Many people, even non vegans, don't eat that much protein and I don't see them being back rushed to the hospital for protein deficiency.
What is your protein goal and how often do you hit it?0 -
forgtmenot wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I did it last year and kept it all off for 7 months then went on holiday and got back into old habits... I was not starving and actually felt amazing
This is just a kick start and it really helped me with food management and cravings last time.
If you did it last year and it worked so well, why would you have to do it again?Don't get me wrong I really appreciate the feedback and I will read into it more but I did it and I know how healthy it made me feel, my skin condition disappeared for almost 9 months, I felt great.
This was likely due to cutting out meat and dairy, not because of the juice. My skin has cleared immensely since becoming vegan.
You can make 100g protein with just veggies
Wow, that's impressive
The recommended protein requirement for women is not 100g. 100 is extremely high and there is actually no physiological reason to eat that much protein. In fact, diets high in animal protein are linked to heart disease and osteoporosis.
Really? Care to source that health link?
The recommended protein minimum is 0.64-0.8g per lb bodyweight when you are interested in hypertrophy
I weigh 158lb so my bare minimum would be 101g ...the OP is male, with 70lbs to lose, I assume he weighs more than me
So you can see why I'd be interested in your assertion that you can hit protein goals just with vegetables. What exactly is your goal?
http://www.healthaliciousness.com/articles/vegetables-high-in-protein.php
Here is a list of vegetables that are high in protein. Now if your goal is 100g that would be difficult to meet, but if it is something more modest like 40-60g it wouldn't be difficult at all. I don't eat anywhere near 100g and I feel amazing. In fact I've also been on high protein low carb (before I became vegan) and I never felt this good eating high protein. We do not need large amounts of protein to live and be healthy. It is simply untrue. Many people, even non vegans, don't eat that much protein and I don't see them being back rushed to the hospital for protein deficiency.
What would a day of 60g look like for you with just veggies? (Portions, specific veggies, etc)0 -
I love how you high protein fans won't even address the FACT that osteoporosis is linked to eating large amounts of animal protein.0
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tincanonastring wrote: »nordlead2005 wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I did it last year and kept it all off for 7 months then went on holiday and got back into old habits... I was not starving and actually felt amazing
This is just a kick start and it really helped me with food management and cravings last time.
If you did it last year and it worked so well, why would you have to do it again?Don't get me wrong I really appreciate the feedback and I will read into it more but I did it and I know how healthy it made me feel, my skin condition disappeared for almost 9 months, I felt great.
This was likely due to cutting out meat and dairy, not because of the juice. My skin has cleared immensely since becoming vegan.
You can make 100g protein with just veggies
Wow, that's impressive
The recommended protein requirement for women is not 100g. 100 is extremely high and there is actually no physiological reason to eat that much protein. In fact, diets high in animal protein are linked to heart disease and osteoporosis.
Really? Care to source that health link?
The recommended protein minimum is 0.64-0.8g per lb bodyweight when you are interested in hypertrophy
I weigh 158lb so my bare minimum would be 101g ...the OP is male, with 70lbs to lose, I assume he weighs more than me
So you can see why I'd be interested in your assertion that you can hit protein goals just with vegetables. What exactly is your goal?
You over quote the minimum all the time. 0.37g/lb (0.8g/kg) is the minimum recommended protein for the average person (USDA recomendation).
0.64g/lb is the recommended amount for bodybuilders to get maximum benefit (this covers most body builders). 0.82g/lb is additional markup to cover the most genetically gifted people (this covers essentially everyone).
http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/the-myth-of-1glb-optimal-protein-intake-for-bodybuilders/
So, unless your goal is optimal muscle building there is no reason to be eating even 0.64g/lb per day.
So let's say you're not shooting for muscle building and just a goal of .5g/lb of protein (not the minimum for the average person, but also below the minimum for bodybuilders). A 120 lb. person would need 60g of protein. Are you able to get that with just vegetables?
I don't have a clue, I'm not (and never will be) a vegan or vegetarian. I mean, I guess you can by eating 475 calories of spinach per day, but that is a LOT of spinach. It worked for Popeye though...0 -
I never said I personally eat just veggies, I said it was possible to hit it with just fruit and veggies. I also do not condone juice fasting.0
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forgtmenot wrote: »I never said I personally eat just veggies, I said it was possible to hit it with just fruit and veggies. I also do not condone juice fasting.
I was legitimately curious because it sounded like you had the numbers worked out and I wanted to know what looked like.0 -
nordlead2005 wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I did it last year and kept it all off for 7 months then went on holiday and got back into old habits... I was not starving and actually felt amazing
This is just a kick start and it really helped me with food management and cravings last time.
If you did it last year and it worked so well, why would you have to do it again?Don't get me wrong I really appreciate the feedback and I will read into it more but I did it and I know how healthy it made me feel, my skin condition disappeared for almost 9 months, I felt great.
This was likely due to cutting out meat and dairy, not because of the juice. My skin has cleared immensely since becoming vegan.
You can make 100g protein with just veggies
Wow, that's impressive
The recommended protein requirement for women is not 100g. 100 is extremely high and there is actually no physiological reason to eat that much protein. In fact, diets high in animal protein are linked to heart disease and osteoporosis.
Really? Care to source that health link?
The recommended protein minimum is 0.64-0.8g per lb bodyweight when you are interested in hypertrophy
I weigh 158lb so my bare minimum would be 101g ...the OP is male, with 70lbs to lose, I assume he weighs more than me
So you can see why I'd be interested in your assertion that you can hit protein goals just with vegetables. What exactly is your goal?
You over quote the minimum all the time. 0.37g/lb (0.8g/kg) is the minimum recommended protein for the average person (USDA recomendation).
0.64g/lb is the recommended amount for bodybuilders to get maximum benefit (this covers most body builders). 0.82g/lb is additional markup to cover the most genetically gifted people (this covers essentially everyone).
http://bayesianbodybuilding.com/the-myth-of-1glb-optimal-protein-intake-for-bodybuilders/
So, unless your goal is optimal muscle building there is no reason to be eating even 0.64g/lb per day.
I said hypertrophy (building muscle)
Generally when I recommend protein minimums it is to those who are interested in preserving their muscle mass whilst dieting eating at a defecit, when protein is even more important, so no I don't believe I over quote
In most cases dieters need to eat double the US RDA..happy to quote additional studies if you're interested
However I'm still interested in how you would achieve adequate protein with just vegetables ...whatever you believe your approach RDA is
Again, I don't care about vegan/vegetarian. But, 0.64-0.82g/lb is the maximum required for hypertrophy, not the minimum. I even provided a link with links to studies.
I'm off topic on this off topic. If you want to consume over 0.82g/lb that is fine, but it generally is a waste of money and a lot of hard work trying to consume that much protein when it provides no proven benefit.0 -
forgtmenot wrote: »I never said I personally eat just veggies, I said it was possible to hit it with just fruit and veggies. I also do not condone juice fasting.
I was legitimately curious because it sounded like you had the numbers worked out and I wanted to know what looked like.
Me too
It was simple curiosity particularly when you said just veg
I eat a lot of vegetables but also focus on yogurts and meats just to hit my protein goals ..so I was trying to learn
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forgtmenot wrote: »I love how you high protein fans won't even address the FACT that osteoporosis is linked to eating large amounts of animal protein.
I've never heard this before
Low BMI..yes
Menopause, hormones, adrenal issues yes
But I've never heard of this link which is why I asked for the source0 -
forgtmenot wrote: »I love how you high protein fans won't even address the FACT that osteoporosis is linked to eating large amounts of animal protein.
I've never heard this before
Low BMI..yes
Menopause, hormones, adrenal issues yes
But I've never heard of this link which is why I asked for the source
There's many different articles about animal protein and bone health, But here are a couple:
http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/1996/11/eating-less-meat-may-help-reduce-osteoporosis-risk
http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/87/5/1567S.full0 -
forgtmenot wrote: »I love how you high protein fans won't even address the FACT that osteoporosis is linked to eating large amounts of animal protein.
I've never heard this before
Low BMI..yes
Menopause, hormones, adrenal issues yes
But I've never heard of this link which is why I asked for the source
I actually have osteo, so I'd love to see the sources on this.
Here's a study that specifically states in the abstract, "There is no evidence that high protein intake per se would be detrimental for bone mass and strength." The caution it gives is for eating protein in excess of 2g/kg of body weight with low calcium intake.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22139564
A quick scan of several published studies shows that there is nothing settled about animal protein and osteoporosis. Besides that, who said anything about animal protein? We're talking about protein-bearing vegetables and how one could meet minimal protein requirements by vegetable juice alone.0 -
forgtmenot wrote: »I love how you high protein fans won't even address the FACT that osteoporosis is linked to eating large amounts of animal protein.
I've never heard this before
Low BMI..yes
Menopause, hormones, adrenal issues yes
But I've never heard of this link which is why I asked for the source
There are studies that say too much protein causes your body to excrete calcium, which leads to kidney stones and osteoporosis. As far as I know it (the osteoporosis part) has been debunked much like many of our older studies where we drew improper conclusions.
http://nutritionfacts.org/2014/07/31/does-animal-protein-cause-osteoporosis/0 -
forgtmenot wrote: »I never said I personally eat just veggies, I said it was possible to hit it with just fruit and veggies. I also do not condone juice fasting.
I was legitimately curious because it sounded like you had the numbers worked out and I wanted to know what looked like.
Me too
It was simple curiosity particularly when you said just veg
I eat a lot of vegetables but also focus on yogurts and meats just to hit my protein goals ..so I was trying to learn
You don't need to eat dairy and meat to get adequate protein. Granted you would have to eat a lot of vegetables to meet a 60g requirement, but it is actually pretty easy to meet that goal when you also eat legumes, nuts, seeds. Soy is a good source of protein also, but I try to limit my intake of soy because of its potentiality to have negative effects on female hormones.0 -
The goalposts in this discussion have been moved to another stadium. The question was, can you consume enough protein using just vegetable juice?0
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forgtmenot wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I love how you high protein fans won't even address the FACT that osteoporosis is linked to eating large amounts of animal protein.
I've never heard this before
Low BMI..yes
Menopause, hormones, adrenal issues yes
But I've never heard of this link which is why I asked for the source
There's many different articles about animal protein and bone health, But here are a couple:
http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/1996/11/eating-less-meat-may-help-reduce-osteoporosis-risk
http://m.ajcn.nutrition.org/content/87/5/1567S.full
Thanks..you should read the second article it is interesting
But it does discount source of protein as an issue and stresses the importance of higher protein intake during weight loss.
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tincanonastring wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I love how you high protein fans won't even address the FACT that osteoporosis is linked to eating large amounts of animal protein.
I've never heard this before
Low BMI..yes
Menopause, hormones, adrenal issues yes
But I've never heard of this link which is why I asked for the source
I actually have osteo, so I'd love to see the sources on this.
Here's a study that specifically states in the abstract, "There is no evidence that high protein intake per se would be detrimental for bone mass and strength." The caution it gives is for eating protein in excess of 2g/kg of body weight with low calcium intake.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22139564
A quick scan of several published studies shows that there is nothing settled about animal protein and osteoporosis. Besides that, who said anything about animal protein? We're talking about protein-bearing vegetables and how one could meet minimal protein requirements by vegetable juice alone.
I posted two links above your post about the osteoporosis link. Also interestingly enough countries with the highest consumption of dairy have the highest rates of osteoporosis in the world. The ones with the lowest consumption of milk have the lowest rates of osteoporosis. These countries also tend to eat less animal protein in general.
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tincanonastring wrote: »The goalposts in this discussion have been moved to another stadium. The question was, can you consume enough protein using just vegetable juice?
Can you juice spinach?0 -
Does this kind of diet really work? Wouldn't you just pile the weight back on as soon as you start to eat normal foods again?0
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nordlead2005 wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »The goalposts in this discussion have been moved to another stadium. The question was, can you consume enough protein using just vegetable juice?
Can you juice spinach?
With an adequate juicer yes you can, you can also juice kale.0 -
My concern is inadequate fiber. Of course this would be a VLCD and not sustainable long term, and it would be deficient in many nutrients. I think protein would not be of utmost concern here. Calorie intake and fiber would be my concern.0
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forgtmenot wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I never said I personally eat just veggies, I said it was possible to hit it with just fruit and veggies. I also do not condone juice fasting.
I was legitimately curious because it sounded like you had the numbers worked out and I wanted to know what looked like.
Me too
It was simple curiosity particularly when you said just veg
I eat a lot of vegetables but also focus on yogurts and meats just to hit my protein goals ..so I was trying to learn
You don't need to eat dairy and meat to get adequate protein. Granted you would have to eat a lot of vegetables to meet a 60g requirement, but it is actually pretty easy to meet that goal when you also eat legumes, nuts, seeds. Soy is a good source of protein also, but I try to limit my intake of soy because of its potentiality to have negative effects on female hormones.
But you said you could make protein minimums without eating nuts and just veg
Oh nm
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forgtmenot wrote: »forgtmenot wrote: »I never said I personally eat just veggies, I said it was possible to hit it with just fruit and veggies. I also do not condone juice fasting.
I was legitimately curious because it sounded like you had the numbers worked out and I wanted to know what looked like.
Me too
It was simple curiosity particularly when you said just veg
I eat a lot of vegetables but also focus on yogurts and meats just to hit my protein goals ..so I was trying to learn
You don't need to eat dairy and meat to get adequate protein. Granted you would have to eat a lot of vegetables to meet a 60g requirement, but it is actually pretty easy to meet that goal when you also eat legumes, nuts, seeds. Soy is a good source of protein also, but I try to limit my intake of soy because of its potentiality to have negative effects on female hormones.
But you said you could make protein minimums without eating nuts and just veg
Oh nm
I was responding specifically to the comment that the person made that they eat yogurt and meat to get protein, It was not regarding juicing. As I said you would have to juice lots of veggies that are high in protein like kale and spinach in order to meet protein goals. As far as eating a regular non juicing diet, you do not need animal products to meet even high protein goals. It is not difficult to get adequate protein in a vegan diet.0 -
Juicing for thirty days will give you diarrhea, for sure...and all the time.
Unless you're really carful about it, you won't get all the vitamins and minerals you need.
You have to watch your calories, too. Juice can have tons of calories.
I think you should run this idea by your doctor before you begin. See if it will be healthy. You don't want to make yourself sick!0 -
Glad to see this has sparked some debate...
@forgtmenot i went vegetarian after juicing last year and i loved it, when i was on holiday i decided to go back to meat and found it to hard to leave it again (damn u tasty animals)... I want to go 100% veg after juicing this time too, hopefully i can.
The point of this is not a long term thing, i think some people think i will want to do this all the time but it's just a detox to me, and just now i very much need a detox... It also seems to help me to do lots of other things like manage food cravings and altogether give me a better appreciation for food. As i said before this helped me loads before and i hope it will do the same this time. regaining the weight was as a result of returning to old eating habits after a holiday and not doing any exercise while working infront of a computer for 12 hours a day...
I have not officially started my juicing and hope to complete it, i have started doing some more research on the subjects and here is one for the people crying fiber: http://www.rebootwithjoe.com/the-facts-on-fiber-juice/ I never had any problems...
For protein i did try spirulina powder for a while but really did not like the taste so gave it up, i'll research to see if i can find some better replacement if i go for 60 days like i think i am now going to do.
Out of interest has anyone see the film http://www.rebootwithjoe.com/watch-fat-sick-and-nearly-dead/ which inspired me to do this the first time?
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Glad to see this has sparked some debate...
@forgtmenot i went vegetarian after juicing last year and i loved it, when i was on holiday i decided to go back to meat and found it to hard to leave it again (damn u tasty animals)... I want to go 100% veg after juicing this time too, hopefully i can.
The point of this is not a long term thing, i think some people think i will want to do this all the time but it's just a detox to me, and just now i very much need a detox... It also seems to help me to do lots of other things like manage food cravings and altogether give me a better appreciation for food. As i said before this helped me loads before and i hope it will do the same this time. regaining the weight was as a result of returning to old eating habits after a holiday and not doing any exercise while working infront of a computer for 12 hours a day...
I have not officially started my juicing and hope to complete it, i have started doing some more research on the subjects and here is one for the people crying fiber: http://www.rebootwithjoe.com/the-facts-on-fiber-juice/ I never had any problems...
For protein i did try spirulina powder for a while but really did not like the taste so gave it up, i'll research to see if i can find some better replacement if i go for 60 days like i think i am now going to do.
Out of interest has anyone see the film http://www.rebootwithjoe.com/watch-fat-sick-and-nearly-dead/ which inspired me to do this the first time?
It's bogus!!0 -
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