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RiseHigher wrote: »I am sorry but I see a lot of excuses and blaming everything on something (TOM, SAD etc). You are a grown up. Take responsibilities for your actions and stop finding excuses.
Pbbbfffft. Do I look like I make excuses. Nope. I gain water weight with my TOM. I gain weight when I get hungry with SAD. Not blaming it just it what it is. I'm 5 or so lbs over where I was. Not 50 or 100. LOL. You can go flame another thread now, bye....rainbowbow wrote: »I just want to know if it's normal to leave an open jar of jam at room temperature all day and then store it in the pantry.
No. Ick
Fine. Any other opinions on the storage of jam - feel free to take it up with my Mom then... happy? Haha. Bye!
Yes. Those are all excuses.0 -
I am sorry but I see a lot of excuses and blaming everything on something (TOM, SAD etc). You are a grown up. Take responsibilities for your actions and stop finding excuses.
If only being a grown up did the trick. Would be a lot less obesity. Eating disorders plus less crime in the world.
What steps did you use to overcome your overeating or did it vanish overnight0 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »I am sorry but I see a lot of excuses and blaming everything on something (TOM, SAD etc). You are a grown up. Take responsibilities for your actions and stop finding excuses.
If only being a grown up did the trick. Would be a lot less obesity. Eating disorders plus less crime in the world.
What steps did you use to overcome your overeating or did it vanish overnight
Well, personally I'd love to adopt excuses that leave me weighing 126 lbs! Except for the marathon running. And the disciplined diet. Actually, could I just weigh 126 lbs with no work put in whatsoever, please???0 -
FYI @RiseHigher , one thing I find interesting is your Mom was simply thinking about your question, not getting upset. I'm sometimes asked, "you're not saying anything. You're angry, aren't you?" It's like, people actually think it's weird when you pause for a minute to think about what someone else has said!!
Just found that interesting 0 -
My dad keeps a bowl full of skittles on a shelf in his house. I don't know who gets more excited about going in, getting hugs and hellos, and heading straight to he jar of skittle. Me or my children. 10 skittles they know the rule (my rule not my parents) we all count out 10 skittles. Yum yum yum.
Couldn't live with my parents. Love them dearly but love them from our 5 miles apart distance lol jam could easily become an issue if we lived together. We'd get on each other's nerves awful darn quickly. We all like our homes our way, dishes done our way, beds made (or unmade) our way.
I think it's probably just the stress of co living. It makes you edgy. Good luck and remember you're blessed to have her. May be more blessed from across town 0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »I can't believe this many responses and no one bothered to ask what kinds of jam!?
Yes! Orange marmalade, blackberry jam, raspberry jelly, and real Amish apple butter!!! In the fridge there is mint jelly and jalapeño jelly as well! Yum!0 -
I don't think it a big deal at all, its jam at the end of the day. Its not like its banned! You just asked her to keep it elsewhere. To the person who said just say no to it. If it was as easy as that there would be nobody struggling with weight issues in the world!0
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Seriously, it's your mum. Just ask her. Explain you have zero willpower when it comes to the jam when you are feeling down.
Any normal parent will help out their children.0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »I can't believe this many responses and no one bothered to ask what kinds of jam!?
I feel bad for the biscuits. No one cares about the biscuits. is there a recipe we can have?
Sure! This is from my "recipe box" here on MyFitnessPal that I use for tracking, but I don't know how to officially share the recipe, so here it is:
2 1/4 cup(s) Flour
1 tbsp(s), Baking Powder
1 tsp(s), Salt, table
1/3 cup(s), Coconut Oil
1 cup(s), Water
2 Tbs, Nonfat Dry Milk
Directions:
1. Combine the flour, salt and baking powder in mixing bowl, cut in the oil.
2. Beat egg and water with fork and mix with dry ingredients.
3. Mix lightly then turn onto a well-floured surface. The dough will be moist so you will have to sprinkle with a little flour. Knead 20 times.
4. Roll to 3/4 in thick. Cut with biscuit cutter and place on Silpad on baking sheet so they are touching each other.
5. Bake at 450 degrees in preheated oven for 14 minutes.
6. Remove from oven and let cool 5 minutes then place on cooling rack.
She used to make 9-10 out of them, but the calories were a bit high so now she makes 14 and they come out about the size of what I remember the pop n' serve biscuits that you buy at the store are, which I think is appropriate for a snack.
The original recipe had some sugar but she removed it to make it healthier.
127 calories/6 grams fat/16 grams carbs/1 gram sugar/3 grams protein.
I consider this an occasional treat, like a cookie or similar. I like to cut it in half, and eat it with orange marmalade and a veggie mozzarella cheese slice melted on top! Delish!
She also bakes fresh breads every other day or so, but I'm not a big bread eater. I don't avoid it it's just not my preference.
As an aside, she didn't have a oven for the first couple of years she lived in this house, as the one that came with the house didn't work (she was in an old house that the city demolished for a new development, so she got this one basically in exchange). I recently installed a wall oven for her as part of the remodel, so I think part of the reason she likes to make the biscuits etc is because it's in the oven that I put in for her. Plus, we both enjoy eating them! LOL!0 -
A serious athlete like the OP measures her intake on a different bar to the rest of us and I feel a little more allowance needs to be made for that. If she did not, she would not be competitive. There is a difference between wanting to be lean for a race and not minding being a bit soft around the middle as long we look good in clothes, which is the aim of most people.
I think we are a little quick around here to accuse folks of having issues with food when they are on the cutting edge. We are fine with chubby people being pedantic (and way more so than this), but when someone wants to stay in superb condition we encourage them to eat more jam and biscuits? Would you tell someone with half their weight still to lose to eat more jam? Would you encourage them to sabotage their efforts? What is it about someone who is thin and super lean and wanting to stay that way which is bothersome to some posters here?
Seems like skinny fit shaming or something. Luckily, the OP is having none of it.0 -
WinoGelato wrote: »I can't believe this many responses and no one bothered to ask what kinds of jam!?
I feel bad for the biscuits. No one cares about the biscuits. is there a recipe we can have?
Well, I for one love biscuits and jam. My mother, who has been deceased since I was 23, made the best homemade biscuits and strawberry jam. I miss her, and those wonderful treats of hers.
@RiseHigher, this is just an observation, but I dont think this is actually about the biscuits and jam. In your last post you mention a 5 pound weight gain with TOM. That is normal and nothing to worry about, it's just water weight. It seems to me you might actually be afraid of weight gain, which indicates deeper isdues. It takes time to work through these issues.
No, I had a 5 lb weight gain since the SAD snuck up on me this year and now it's approaching my TOM too. I posted that I check my AVERAGE weight over time so I know exactly where it's going and coming from. But it's getting better each day with my light therapy and I've already started losing it, so not a big deal.
Don't really have "deeper" issues more than the next person, my concern is athletic performance and health, over some sort of fear............
And yes one of the reasons I like being in this area and with my Mom is because I appreciate being close to my family a lot more after my Dad died. It makes you realize how short time can be, because when someone is gone, they are really gone............0 -
Therealobi1 wrote: »I am sorry but I see a lot of excuses and blaming everything on something (TOM, SAD etc). You are a grown up. Take responsibilities for your actions and stop finding excuses.
If only being a grown up did the trick. Would be a lot less obesity. Eating disorders plus less crime in the world.
What steps did you use to overcome your overeating or did it vanish overnight
Well, personally I'd love to adopt excuses that leave me weighing 126 lbs! Except for the marathon running. And the disciplined diet. Actually, could I just weigh 126 lbs with no work put in whatsoever, please???
I know right @JaneiR36 ?? LMAO! I work my butt off (literaly?!?!) to be in the shape that I am! And it's not as easy at 42 as it was at 22 LOL! (But its not too bad either...) Fortunately though, I LOVE what I do in fitness and health! That's one tipoff for me that the SAD is getting bad though. Some of the symptoms like fatigue can be written off to other things, working out too hard or whatever. But if my eating starts getting 'kooky' and my motivation for exercise starts slipping - that is NOT normal to me and I know I need to do light therapy, watch the sugars and other measures to get things back in hand!FYI @RiseHigher , one thing I find interesting is your Mom was simply thinking about your question, not getting upset. I'm sometimes asked, "you're not saying anything. You're angry, aren't you?" It's like, people actually think it's weird when you pause for a minute to think about what someone else has said!! Just found that interesting
Yes! I wasn't having a great night coming off caffeine and I think that's why jumped the gun and thought that too. But I have been asked that too, when just thinking about an answer - and by my Mom too hah!
BTW I feel great now off caffeine though! Wow!
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Yes it was a bit out of line in my opinion. It is her home. Plus, you will deal with temptation day in and day out. Honestly, when you are staying in the home of another person, you don't ask that sort of thing and you just deal with it.
I agree.
OP, temptations are all around you. While you choose not to have tempting foods in you house, you must allow mom to have the food wherever she chooses in her home. This is a good way to strengthen your willpower.
By the way, I used to do the same things-not have tempting food in my house and expect others to bend to my needs to not have tempting food around me. I strengthened my willpower by learning to just walk by the temptation while realizing it's all just food and I can choose to eat or not, and then I learned to eat all those same foods in moderation. It's been very freeing for me to just allow others to deal with food as they choose.
I think it is jard not to look at this without your own bias. At my own moms house, i would have put it up without asking, and i can't imagine even having to explain myself, and if one of my children asked me to do it, i would think nothing of it. Family helps each other. I didn't ask her to never buy it again..0 -
Yes it was a bit out of line in my opinion. It is her home. Plus, you will deal with temptation day in and day out. Honestly, when you are staying in the home of another person, you don't ask that sort of thing and you just deal with it.
I agree.
OP, temptations are all around you. While you choose not to have tempting foods in you house, you must allow mom to have the food wherever she chooses in her home. This is a good way to strengthen your willpower.
By the way, I used to do the same things-not have tempting food in my house and expect others to bend to my needs to not have tempting food around me. I strengthened my willpower by learning to just walk by the temptation while realizing it's all just food and I can choose to eat or not, and then I learned to eat all those same foods in moderation. It's been very freeing for me to just allow others to deal with food as they choose.
Here's the other thing that I'll say, if just to bring more awareness of what exactly Seasonal Affective Disorder is. The strong cravings I was referring to are caused by a MEDICAL condition, which also causes other symptoms, namely, low motivation, not caring about things you normally care about, low energy and depression. Obviously comparing that to "willpower" to someone in a normal situation is not correct. And, this only happens in some regions at certain parts of the year. You've probably never had depression, and I would never wish it on anyone, but even that alone does not make you behave as you normally would.
No one has to talk to me about "Willpower", because frankly, "willpower" is why I look the way I do, finish in the top 3 out of thousands of other runners, get up before dawn to run 11-26 miles in any type of weather, say "no" to unhealthy foods that many others say "yes" to, even when I know I exercise a lot more as well, just to ensure my engine has clean fuel powering it. Without "willpower" I wouldn't be near where I am today.
And on the flip side, if I ask myself if someone with diabetes or even just dieting was staying with me and asked me to move sugary foods out of sight, would I do it? Heck yeah. Never mind just a jar of jam LOL. And they wouldn't even have to be family. If you were a smoker and one of your kids came to your house and was allergic to cigarette smoke, would you puff it out in front of them and say, "TOO BAD, MY HOUSE..." LMAO
Guess it makes me appreciate how my Mom is even more.
And btw, on that note I must be doing something right because one of my former roommates lost 55 lbs and another lost 80+ lbs separately after living with me, too (I am also a certified running coach and a former personal trainer). So question my methods if you must, but........ I'll just keep LOL'ing ......0 -
RiseHigher wrote: »Yes it was a bit out of line in my opinion. It is her home. Plus, you will deal with temptation day in and day out. Honestly, when you are staying in the home of another person, you don't ask that sort of thing and you just deal with it.
I agree.
OP, temptations are all around you. While you choose not to have tempting foods in you house, you must allow mom to have the food wherever she chooses in her home. This is a good way to strengthen your willpower.
By the way, I used to do the same things-not have tempting food in my house and expect others to bend to my needs to not have tempting food around me. I strengthened my willpower by learning to just walk by the temptation while realizing it's all just food and I can choose to eat or not, and then I learned to eat all those same foods in moderation. It's been very freeing for me to just allow others to deal with food as they choose.
Here's the other thing that I'll say, if just to bring more awareness of what exactly Seasonal Affective Disorder is. The strong cravings I was referring to are caused by a MEDICAL condition, which also causes other symptoms, namely, low motivation, not caring about things you normally care about, low energy and depression. Obviously comparing that to "willpower" to someone in a normal situation is not correct. And, this only happens in some regions at certain parts of the year. You've probably never had depression, and I would never wish it on anyone, but even that alone does not make you behave as you normally would.
No one has to talk to me about "Willpower", because frankly, "willpower" is why I look the way I do, finish in the top 3 out of thousands of other runners, get up before dawn to run 11-26 miles in any type of weather, say "no" to unhealthy foods that many others say "yes" to, even when I know I exercise a lot more as well, just to ensure my engine has clean fuel powering it. Without "willpower" I wouldn't be near where I am today.
And on the flip side, if I ask myself if someone with diabetes or even just dieting was staying with me and asked me to move sugary foods out of sight, would I do it? Heck yeah. Never mind just a jar of jam LOL. And they wouldn't even have to be family. If you were a smoker and one of your kids came to your house and was allergic to cigarette smoke, would you puff it out in front of them and say, "TOO BAD, MY HOUSE..." LMAO
Guess it makes me appreciate how my Mom is even more.
And btw, on that note I must be doing something right because one of my former roommates lost 55 lbs and another lost 80+ lbs separately after living with me, too (I am also a certified running coach and a former personal trainer). So question my methods if you must, but........ I'll just keep LOL'ing ......
The only thing that frightens me in your post is that you mention being a personal trainer, which means that you coach other people. And in another part of your post, you are labeling some foods as unhealthy.
No foods are unhealthy. The only thing that would be unhealthy would be the quantity of them that would be consumed. As a coach (and as someone who is into personal fitness) part of what you are focusing on should be a good attitude toward food.0 -
I know if it was me, even if the jam was "put away", if I truly wanted it I'd know exactly where to find it. Out of sight isn't always out of mind. 0
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My mom, who is now 91, has gotten increasingly "rigid", about her routines as she has aged. About 6 years ago my sister was slated to move in with her, so that she could "age in place" in her own home, with some assistance from sis and myself. Well, that never worked out! My sister was moving out of her own house (with lots of stuff) and my mom felt sis could compress her belongings and activities into a one room outbuilding on her property. She was totally unwilling to cede her spare bedroom to my sister, let alone change how she displayed items on her kitchen counter. I don't think that would have been an issue for them in the past!0
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If my daughter asked me to please put the jam away and gave me her reasons, I honestly wouldn't think twice. But, I don't know the relationship with your mom and if there is other issues...0
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butterfli7o wrote: »If my daughter asked me to please put the jam away and gave me her reasons, I honestly wouldn't think twice. But, I don't know the relationship with your mom and if there is other issues...
I have spent way too much time thinking about this question today, and I know all family dynamics are different, but I just cannot fathom 1. my mom caring one tiny little bit, especially since I was doing it for health reasons as opposed to..please move the Jelly to my night stand since I am now too fat to even walk to it..or 2. Me ever denying a request like that from my daughter, she is only 3, but I assure you even at 3 her hourly requests are not that simple. I would love for her to just say say "hey, move the Jam" and I would be all like "done" Instead she asks for crap like "do you think we could tie bananas in the tree, and then can we get a baby monkey? Not from the zoo..but like the woods.."Please just let me move the Jam.0
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