Dr oz
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DancingDarl wrote: »Also you do realise MFP is a fad too(in other words you must remain active to reap benefits, weight comes back on if you stop).
You cannot own the ability to count Calories. Anyone can write what they ate and how much they exercised in a journal.
The only difference is we(I speak generally) are glued to our phones these days, and we can make it addictive enough with all the perks Facebook has. So yeah this Dr Oz rapid weight loss diet probably is a fad(I wouldn't know I don't watch his shows) but still why need to call him a quack or imply he is scientifically ruined. Citation is needed.
If some one else wants to try his diet, how may I ask does it affect you?
Answer is it doesn't. So just remember to be respectful in your opinions on MFP.
Citations about why he is scientifically ruined were posted on page 2. I suggest you check them out.
Terrible ideas which capitalize on the difficulty people have losing weight deserve as much disrespect and scorn as possible. It is the idea that is the subject of our derision, not the person lured into it.0 -
Oh look it's the tone police again0
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DancingDarl wrote: »Also you do realise MFP is a fad too(in other words you must remain active to reap benefits, weight comes back on if you stop).
You cannot own the ability to count Calories. Anyone can write what they ate and how much they exercised in a journal.
The only difference is we(I speak generally) are glued to our phones these days, and we can make it addictive enough with all the perks Facebook has. So yeah this Dr Oz rapid weight loss diet probably is a fad(I wouldn't know I don't watch his shows) but still why need to call him a quack or imply he is scientifically ruined. Citation is needed.
If some one else wants to try his diet, how may I ask does it affect you?
Answer is it doesn't. So just remember to be respectful in your opinions on MFP.
Ahemdiannethegeek wrote: »http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2014/06/17/dr-oz-senate-panel-weight-scams/10701067/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/25/doctor-why-quack-tv-docs-like-dr-oz-and-dr-phil-need-to-go.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/12/19/half-of-dr-ozs-medical-advice-is-baseless-or-wrong-study-says/
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/physicians-columbia-dump-dr-oz-hawking-quack-treatments-n343591
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/05/01/dr_oz_ironically_attacks_scammers_using_his_name_to_sell_questionable_products.html
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FunkyTobias wrote: »DancingDarl wrote: »Also you do realise MFP is a fad too(in other words you must remain active to reap benefits, weight comes back on if you stop).
You cannot own the ability to count Calories. Anyone can write what they ate and how much they exercised in a journal.
The only difference is we(I speak generally) are glued to our phones these days, and we can make it addictive enough with all the perks Facebook has. So yeah this Dr Oz rapid weight loss diet probably is a fad(I wouldn't know I don't watch his shows) but still why need to call him a quack or imply he is scientifically ruined. Citation is needed.
If some one else wants to try his diet, how may I ask does it affect you?
Answer is it doesn't. So just remember to be respectful in your opinions on MFP.
Ahemdiannethegeek wrote: »http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/people/2014/06/17/dr-oz-senate-panel-weight-scams/10701067/
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/04/25/doctor-why-quack-tv-docs-like-dr-oz-and-dr-phil-need-to-go.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/12/19/half-of-dr-ozs-medical-advice-is-baseless-or-wrong-study-says/
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/physicians-columbia-dump-dr-oz-hawking-quack-treatments-n343591
http://www.slate.com/blogs/bad_astronomy/2014/05/01/dr_oz_ironically_attacks_scammers_using_his_name_to_sell_questionable_products.html
Pretty well covers that end of things, doesn't it?0 -
DancingDarl wrote: »Also you do realise MFP is a fad too(in other words you must remain active to reap benefits, weight comes back on if you stop).
I'm trying to wrap my brain around this comment. Calorie Counting is how I'm reducing my weight. MFP is the tool that I use to track it without having to write everything out and use math. (*shudder... math*) Neither of these are fads. If MFP were to disappear tomorrow I would still be able to lose weight because I've learned what I need to consume in order to lose. I'd probably complain more that I was having to track it the hard way, but I'd still do it and I'd still lose.0 -
DancingDarl wrote: »Also you do realise MFP is a fad too(in other words you must remain active to reap benefits, weight comes back on if you stop).
You cannot own the ability to count Calories. Anyone can write what they ate and how much they exercised in a journal.
I guess you could call the MFP App a "fad" in that it's a fairly recent, popular way to keep track of your food intake.
But the premise upon which it is based (CICO) is not a fad, unlike whatever bizarre brand of ridiculousness Dr. Oz is peddling.
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DancingDarl wrote: »Also you do realise MFP is a fad too(in other words you must remain active to reap benefits, weight comes back on if you stop).
Interesting...the only thing I use MFP for these days is mindless entertainment on the forums...that and there's some pretty cool and knowledgable people here...I haven't tracked a thing in almost three years and I maintain my weight, health, and fitness just fine...because it was a learning tool from which I garnered knowledge on how to eat appropriately to my goals.
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DancingDarl wrote: »Also you do realise MFP is a fad too(in other words you must remain active to reap benefits, weight comes back on if you stop).
Incorrect again. If you maintain a caloric deficit you will not gain weight - regardless of whether you remain active or not.0 -
I had never heard of it. I checked out the video. I can see how the people who stick to it are losing so much. Its a complete turnaround of a person's lifestyle and the things you would eat would be darn good nutrition wise, but I'm not fooling myself, I dont have the guts to give up what I've been eating and drinking all of my life. I'm one who wants to be happy, its bad enough I have to go by my darn macro so I wont pig out!0
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OneHundredToLose wrote: »juggernaut1974 wrote: »Natalierae886 wrote: »I got told today from someone whos daughters been on it since january and lost 5 and half stone so thought id ask
Either you misheard or you were lied to.
There's no way anyone could lose 77 lbs in less than 2 months, short of some sort of medical emergency or procedure.
I know a guy who lost 50lbs in a single day! I mean, he was never the same after that car accident, but they did set him up with a nice wheelchair.
Lmfao- that's the best response I've read in a while.0 -
DancingDarl wrote: »Also you do realise MFP is a fad too(in other words you must remain active to reap benefits, weight comes back on if you stop).
You cannot own the ability to count Calories. Anyone can write what they ate and how much they exercised in a journal.
The only difference is we(I speak generally) are glued to our phones these days, and we can make it addictive enough with all the perks Facebook has. So yeah this Dr Oz rapid weight loss diet probably is a fad(I wouldn't know I don't watch his shows) but still why need to call him a quack or imply he is scientifically ruined. Citation is needed.
If some one else wants to try his diet, how may I ask does it affect you?
Answer is it doesn't. So just remember to be respectful in your opinions on MFP.
Nicely said!0 -
FunkyTobias wrote: »
I'm still going with Poe.DancingDarl wrote: »I call trollI_Will_End_You wrote: »Here's a tip: Anything that Dr. Oz endorses is crap and not worth your time.
Nobody can be this wrong about everything.
I hadn't bought that theory yet but this latest thread is making me reconsider.
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DancingDarl wrote: »If some one else wants to try his diet, how may I ask does it affect you?
Answer is it doesn't. So just remember to be respectful in your opinions on MFP.
It affects those of us who want to stop the spread of misinformation, and who want to encourage people to lose weight in a healthy, sustainable way.
Do you take issue with that?
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DancingDarl wrote: »Also you do realise MFP is a fad too(in other words you must remain active to reap benefits, weight comes back on if you stop).
You cannot own the ability to count Calories. Anyone can write what they ate and how much they exercised in a journal.
The only difference is we(I speak generally) are glued to our phones these days, and we can make it addictive enough with all the perks Facebook has. So yeah this Dr Oz rapid weight loss diet probably is a fad(I wouldn't know I don't watch his shows) but still why need to call him a quack or imply he is scientifically ruined. Citation is needed.
If some one else wants to try his diet, how may I ask does it affect you?
Answer is it doesn't. So just remember to be respectful in your opinions on MFP.
MFP's method is based on science and a technique that has been used since my grandmother was a teenager, tracking food intake.
Dr. Oz had a new "miracle" pill or supplement on his show weekly. All of which he admitted he knows do not work. There are a few shows where he actually tells people to eat better and get active. Most of his shows are based around products that he gets money for promoting. As I stated, there are links that were provided about him admitting that he promotes things he knows are ineffective.0 -
DancingDarl wrote: »Also you do realise MFP is a fad too(in other words you must remain active to reap benefits, weight comes back on if you stop).
I'm trying to wrap my brain around this comment. Calorie Counting is how I'm reducing my weight. MFP is the tool that I use to track it without having to write everything out and use math. (*shudder... math*) Neither of these are fads. If MFP were to disappear tomorrow I would still be able to lose weight because I've learned what I need to consume in order to lose. I'd probably complain more that I was having to track it the hard way, but I'd still do it and I'd still lose.
I think Dr Oz is a tool too. A different kind of tool, but a tool non-the-less.0 -
DancingDarl wrote: »Also you do realise MFP is a fad too(in other words you must remain active to reap benefits, weight comes back on if you stop).
You cannot own the ability to count Calories. Anyone can write what they ate and how much they exercised in a journal.
The only difference is we(I speak generally) are glued to our phones these days, and we can make it addictive enough with all the perks Facebook has. So yeah this Dr Oz rapid weight loss diet probably is a fad(I wouldn't know I don't watch his shows) but still why need to call him a quack or imply he is scientifically ruined. Citation is needed.
If some one else wants to try his diet, how may I ask does it affect you?
Answer is it doesn't. So just remember to be respectful in your opinions on MFP.
Please see the links provided in this thread for citation.
Its funny you ask for citation but don't provide any yourself about your theories ( avc cures stomach parasites and I could keep going but you get my point )
Mfp is based on cico. That's no fad. That's fact.
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booksandchocolate12 wrote: »DancingDarl wrote: »If some one else wants to try his diet, how may I ask does it affect you?
Answer is it doesn't. So just remember to be respectful in your opinions on MFP.
It affects those of us who want to stop the spread of misinformation, and who want to encourage people to lose weight in a healthy, sustainable way.
Do you take issue with that?
This 100%.
The spread of misinformation affects me greatly. I spend much of my time trying to help others see that fads like Dr oz are not needed for weight loss and can be potentially dangerous.
When people spread about misinformation it hurts others. There are lurkers on this site who are too afraid to speak up. They read threads seeking answers but are too shy to ask for themselves. Misinformation must be corrected here to protect those who don't yet know better.
We all start somewhere. Not everyone knows that things like Dr oz pills are woo, so its important to me to tell them the truth.
Knowledge is power. When people learn the truth , they are well on their way to successful weight loss .0 -
NaturalNancy wrote: »I personally have learned a lot of great things from Dr. Oz, I haven't tried his rapid weight loss diet though.
People on MFP seem to hate him.
I think some of his advice is great.
What did you learn?0 -
DancingDarl wrote: »If some one else wants to try his diet, how may I ask does it affect you?
Answer is it doesn't. So just remember to be respectful in your opinions on MFP.
Because the standard you walk past is the standard you accept.
If someone wanted to try eating nothing but apples for 3 weeks, would you say "that doesn't affect me!" and tell them to have at it? (actually, don't answer that - I have a feeling I won't like your response).
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DancingDarl wrote: »Also you do realise MFP is a fad too(in other words you must remain active to reap benefits, weight comes back on if you stop).
You cannot own the ability to count Calories. Anyone can write what they ate and how much they exercised in a journal.
The only difference is we(I speak generally) are glued to our phones these days, and we can make it addictive enough with all the perks Facebook has. So yeah this Dr Oz rapid weight loss diet probably is a fad(I wouldn't know I don't watch his shows) but still why need to call him a quack or imply he is scientifically ruined. Citation is needed.
If some one else wants to try his diet, how may I ask does it affect you?
Answer is it doesn't. So just remember to be respectful in your opinions on MFP.
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/physicians-columbia-dump-dr-oz-hawking-quack-treatments-n343591
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/dr-oz-and-the-terrible-horrible-no-good-very-bad-day/0 -
Dr. Oz is an accomplished thoracic surgeon - as knowledge for his time as in it as Dr. Spock about children.
Dr. Oz is a complete fraud about nutrition, diet, weight loss, etc - as much as someone that claims to be a Star Trek fan but thinks Dr. Spock is the pointy ear guy who say "Damn it Jim, I'm a doctor, not a dietitian".0 -
DancingDarl wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »Honl, you don't need some celebrity endorsed, arbitrary diet which was designed to make money for a quack. The more 'faddy' a diet is, the less likely you are to succeed with it, and keep the weight off long term. Pop your stats into MFP, follow them. Forget Dr Oz and all that other crap. He's a shill who's sold out.chunky_pinup wrote: »I_Will_End_You wrote: »Here's a tip: Anything that Dr. Oz endorses is crap and not worth your time.
Yup. He's a quack.
http://www.livescience.com/50621-dr-oz-should-resign-poll.html
What's sad is he's a very smart person and was a respected heart doctor. I have no idea why he started buying into the woo, but it's pretty much destroyed his scientific credibility.
I think the whole point is his credibility has increased. His podium to teach people both sides may threaten your mind of science against anything else is hypercritical.You can be both Doctor and have a logical brain. But you can't preach science, and not have a variety of ways if explaining the same thing. Just for the record I am no pro-anything. I just don't get-off belittling someone who is no doubt far your superior on the matter.
When you're selling stuff that steals money from the desperate, sometimes poor and ignorant, and keep them from learning the truth to improve their condition, you don't get to hide beyond the "well let's teach the controversy and see who has the better argument" pretense. Just no. He already had a comfortable amount of wealth, he has no excuse for the harm he's doing, and you do yourself little better defending him.0 -
DancingDarl wrote: »Alatariel75 wrote: »Honl, you don't need some celebrity endorsed, arbitrary diet which was designed to make money for a quack. The more 'faddy' a diet is, the less likely you are to succeed with it, and keep the weight off long term. Pop your stats into MFP, follow them. Forget Dr Oz and all that other crap. He's a shill who's sold out.chunky_pinup wrote: »I_Will_End_You wrote: »Here's a tip: Anything that Dr. Oz endorses is crap and not worth your time.
Yup. He's a quack.
http://www.livescience.com/50621-dr-oz-should-resign-poll.html
What's sad is he's a very smart person and was a respected heart doctor. I have no idea why he started buying into the woo, but it's pretty much destroyed his scientific credibility.
I think the whole point is his credibility has increased. His podium to teach people both sides may threaten your mind of science against anything else is hypercritical.You can be both Doctor and have a logical brain. But you can't preach science, and not have a variety of ways if explaining the same thing. Just for the record I am no pro-anything. I just don't get-off belittling someone who is no doubt far your superior on the matter.
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nutmegoreo wrote: »DancingDarl wrote: »Also you do realise MFP is a fad too(in other words you must remain active to reap benefits, weight comes back on if you stop).
I'm trying to wrap my brain around this comment. Calorie Counting is how I'm reducing my weight. MFP is the tool that I use to track it without having to write everything out and use math. (*shudder... math*) Neither of these are fads. If MFP were to disappear tomorrow I would still be able to lose weight because I've learned what I need to consume in order to lose. I'd probably complain more that I was having to track it the hard way, but I'd still do it and I'd still lose.
I think Dr Oz is a tool too. A different kind of tool, but a tool non-the-less.
Zing!0 -
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So I hear that 99% of you think hes really bad but yesterday I had wrote down the diet and it's basically a fruit protien shake in the morning, fruit veges and rice, and eating protien chicken, turkey and fish. Hes said to cut out sugar and wheat. And to drink green and lemon teas and to snack on as much veg as you want.
My question is just why is that bad when it seems a great lifestyle change...0 -
DancingDarl wrote: »So your telling me that if you stopped logging voluntarily or not(that includes using information you have learned). That you wouldn't put it all back on. Deluded thinking.
How much do you weigh? How much did you weigh prior? I am willing to accept that you would put it all back on and most likely more if you never logged or counted or wrote anything down again.
Don't care what you're willing to accept, since you've shown that you are only willing to accept nonsense and woo.
But the fact remains that many people don't need to log after establishing good habits. Myself included.0 -
Natalierae886 wrote: »So I hear that 99% of you think hes really bad but yesterday I had wrote down the diet and it's basically a fruit protien shake in the morning, fruit veges and rice, and eating protien chicken, turkey and fish. Hes said to cut out sugar and wheat. And to drink green and lemon teas and to snack on as much veg as you want.
My question is just why is that bad when it seems a great lifestyle change...
My questions to you are
Why a fruit protein shake in the morning? What's wrong with eating food? What's wrong with taking all the calories inherent in your fruit protein shake and eating say scrambled egg, mushroom, spinach, ham, cheese on toast?
What is the unique benefit of this calorie served as a drink and real food.
I would always choose to eat over drink my calories .. cos I like chewing food
Eating protein - chicken, turkey and fish is great .. how much? What's wrong with other proteins? Why would these proteins be more proteiny than others? How much protein should you eat? Is this based on your body weight?
Why cut out sugar and wheat? If not intolerant or diabetic. What's the point?
Green and lemon teas - a way to drink liquid .. no additional benefit .. some caffeine, some flavour that's about it
Eat as much veg as you want - great to have a wide range of colourful vegetables in your diet .. but veg have calories too..
So how are you going to prepare them? I like meditteranean vegetable stew over rice with cheese .. it's a dish I developed from experimenting and trying to hit my calorie goal .. it was a learning curve that has become part of my lifestyle (as have other recipes)
I don't think there's anything particularly wrong with the 'diet' but my question is how does following this prescription give you tools and a learning curve so what you do becomes innate? Where does that switch in living come in?0 -
DancingDarl wrote: »Natalierae886 wrote: »So I hear that 99% of you think hes really bad but yesterday I had wrote down the diet and it's basically a fruit protien shake in the morning, fruit veges and rice, and eating protien chicken, turkey and fish. Hes said to cut out sugar and wheat. And to drink green and lemon teas and to snack on as much veg as you want.
My question is just why is that bad when it seems a great lifestyle change...
It isn't it is something you can follow if you wish. I honestly do not understand the negative nelly' out there. It sound's healthy to me. Cutting out sugar is always good. I have some great self made recipes to share with you for fruit smoothies if you like? You don't need to take 100% out of the diet either, just what works and is enjoyable for you.
Really? Why?
What if you've hit the wall? What if you're hypoglycemic? What if you're reacting to a diabetic low? Still always good?
What kind of sugar is good to cut out? Fructose? Glucose? Sucrose? Lactose? Any specific combination?
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Sweetheart .. I'm not the confused oneDancingDarl wrote: »C A N E sugar. If your that confused go have a jelly bean :-p 0
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