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Can one live on only meat?
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DorkothyParker wrote: »I can't believe their are people who never eat raw meat. Thinly sliced beef with a raw egg on top (I had in Korea, can't recall the name) or kitfo (no citrus, but hella spices) is like heaven. Now I want kitfo again. QQ
Plenty of people who eat no meat, raw or cooked. This is surprising to you?0 -
I mean, for those that eat meat, it seems odd to not have raw meat. It's often viewed as a specialty in many cultures. When offered the opportunity to eat food of other cultures, I look for what is most unlike food at home.
But then, I am also a blue-steak girl. (Blue girl, blue steak.)
If you eat cow, I recommend finding a reputable restaurant with tartare, yukhoe (I googled it!), or kitfo or some other ethnic version and try it. It's amazing. You can also get pho and just try a piece prior to mixing in the broth. Heaven! Heaven I say!
Also, hyperbole.0 -
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I couldn't do it, i'd be blocked up for days :noway: And be bored after 2. I really can't come up with any health benefits to eating only meat??
Plus eating organ meat of any description is a big fat NO for me, and medium is as low as i can go for cooked meats.0 -
I only eat raw ground beef (kitfo is the only ground, the others are sliced) if it is from a single cut of meat. I wouldn't eat prepackaged ground beef raw.
And, actually, I only have eaten raw meat from restaurants. I guess technically my steaks are "black and blue" at home.
I heard my toothbrush has a small amount of fecal material on it. I mean, your body, your choice. I just love these foods and wanted to share them. But there is definitely a balance of risk/reward. For example, their is a risk of listeria on lunch meats. This risk is significantly higher for pregnant women. While pregnant, I only ate heated lunch meat. I do not heat my sliced turkey now.
As a totes healthy person, I don't get too bent up.0 -
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DorkothyParker wrote: »I only eat raw ground beef (kitfo is the only ground, the others are sliced) if it is from a single cut of meat. I wouldn't eat prepackaged ground beef raw.
And, actually, I only have eaten raw meat from restaurants. I guess technically my steaks are "black and blue" at home.
I heard my toothbrush has a small amount of fecal material on it. I mean, your body, your choice. I just love these foods and wanted to share them. But there is definitely a balance of risk/reward. For example, their is a risk of listeria on lunch meats. This risk is significantly higher for pregnant women. While pregnant, I only ate heated lunch meat. I do not heat my sliced turkey now.
As a totes healthy person, I don't get too bent up.
I've eaten sushi, kitfo and steak tartare my entire adult life and never become ill. I've also eaten chicken sashimi and raw quail and chicken eggs with the same result. I won't eat raw oysters (or these other foods) from dives though. It depends on proper food prep. One can just as easily get sick from raw vegetables that aren't properly cleaned. There's quite a lot of cultural bias in the US against raw food though.0 -
No it is not unhealthy. Research ancestral diets. And I've done it much longer than a month but there are things in our society that make it a very hard lifestyle to maintain. I've been back at it (with the exception of a bit of coconut oil) for over two weeks and I'm finally getting back to feeling awesome. My child is half Inuit so it's an appropriate diet for her. Her health has been badly damaged by plant foods, including vegetables and fruits. I am not Inuit but am still at my healthiest on an all animal food diet.
I'm not here to suggest anyone else should do it, but there's ample evidence to establish that it is not only safe, but ideal for some people. So accept that maybe it's not for you, but that it's an option for those who choose it.
PS. After reading a few of the comments there is much ignorance. If you haven't tried it, you don't know. It would be lovely to remember that when commenting. For instance: there is NO flatulence and NO "bathroom stench" after one has adapted to the WOE; it's plant foods that cause that and many other very uncomfortable, but now considered "normal", digestive problems.0 -
There's reason for it -- if you just buy stuff at the grocery store it's probably not safe to eat it raw.
I've had raw fish/seafood, of course, and various types of raw beef (don't think any other raw meats, though), and don't think they are especially culturally disfavored (sashimi is mainstream, as it ceviche, although I wouldn't count it, and carpaccio isn't far from it). I've had sushi prepared for me by a guy I was dating who was into it, but even with sashimi grade I'd feel weird just making it at home, who knows why -- seared tuna is fine, on the other hand, and I've made ceviche -- and I definitely would not feel comfortable buying and making a raw beef dish, although I'd try most anything at a restaurant if I was comfortable with the quality (yes, this might be crazy, I've read Anthony Bourdain and all), and I do try unfamiliar things when traveling, of course.
Anyway, that people don't eat meat is hardly surprising.0 -
goingtobefit2015 wrote: »Not good very unhealthy and lots of fat and disease causing food.
"It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled." The plague of diseases called "diseases of civilization" did not plague our ancestors. Accidents, infections, high child mortality, and food scarcity did though.
You might want to revisit the "fats are unhealthy" idea. I'd agree that Becel and most plant oils, which are in all our "healthy" low fat foods are definitely not healthy but humans have been eating, and showing preference for, animal fats for millions of years. You and I are here; proof is in our survival as a species. The future doesn't look so good though.0 -
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queenliz99 wrote: »I have a friend on FaceBook that has challenged me to eat only meat for one month. This sounds horribly unhealthy.
ETA: and eat no vegetables.
Is there going to be a monetary payoff? Otherwise why would you take such an inane challenge
Because it's delicious, easy, and after a short period, most people who do it feel amazing.
It drives me crazy that people judge things that they have no experience with. Nor have done any research into peoples who do have experience... for millennia....0 -
Akimajuktuq wrote: »No it is not unhealthy. Research ancestral diets. And I've done it much longer than a month but there are things in our society that make it a very hard lifestyle to maintain. I've been back at it (with the exception of a bit of coconut oil) for over two weeks and I'm finally getting back to feeling awesome. My child is half Inuit so it's an appropriate diet for her. Her health has been badly damaged by plant foods, including vegetables and fruits. I am not Inuit but am still at my healthiest on an all animal food diet.
I'm not here to suggest anyone else should do it, but there's ample evidence to establish that it is not only safe, but ideal for some people. So accept that maybe it's not for you, but that it's an option for those who choose it.
PS. After reading a few of the comments there is much ignorance. If you haven't tried it, you don't know. It would be lovely to remember that when commenting. For instance: there is NO flatulence and NO "bathroom stench" after one has adapted to the WOE; it's plant foods that cause that and many other very uncomfortable, but now considered "normal", digestive problems.
Please share the ample evidence. You've discussed how much ignorance there is in this thread, so inform people then.
Ignorance is when people judge something strongly that they have no experience with. I've already shared my experience. My own experience is anecdotal. Many people will call the survival of the Inuit on such a diet as "anecdotal".
Either try it, or don't. But spare the judgments when experience is lacking. I pointed out one example of the ignorance versus reality but nothing will convince anyone else who has a strong belief for or against something regardless of existing evidence or lack of experience.0 -
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I'd be double checking on the health of my kidneys before trying it. And after.0
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goldthistime wrote: »I'd be double checking on the health of my kidneys before trying it. And after.
I have, my blood tests came back normal last month. I get complete blood tests twice a year.0 -
The low carber forums have posted at least 2 of these, a bacon challenge and ground beef challenge. When the before and after numbers were compared, there did seem to be a health benefit. Although I would say those would be more from the weight lost, since I assume these people were already on a ketogenic diet beforehand.0
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You don't look your age. Not even close. But you don't have the kidneys of a 20 year old, even if nothing is showing up on your blood tests. Are you actually considering doing this?
"Kidney function naturally declines with age due to the gradual loss of nephrons (filters) in the kidney. Therefore, a 90-year-old cannot safely consume the same amount of protein as a 20-year-old."
Wikipedia, but still...0 -
Akimajuktuq wrote: »No it is not unhealthy. Research ancestral diets. And I've done it much longer than a month but there are things in our society that make it a very hard lifestyle to maintain. I've been back at it (with the exception of a bit of coconut oil) for over two weeks and I'm finally getting back to feeling awesome. My child is half Inuit so it's an appropriate diet for her. Her health has been badly damaged by plant foods, including vegetables and fruits. I am not Inuit but am still at my healthiest on an all animal food diet.
I'm not here to suggest anyone else should do it, but there's ample evidence to establish that it is not only safe, but ideal for some people. So accept that maybe it's not for you, but that it's an option for those who choose it.
PS. After reading a few of the comments there is much ignorance. If you haven't tried it, you don't know. It would be lovely to remember that when commenting. For instance: there is NO flatulence and NO "bathroom stench" after one has adapted to the WOE; it's plant foods that cause that and many other very uncomfortable, but now considered "normal", digestive problems.
I'm confused because your diary doesn't reflect an "all meat" diet. I'm not sure where the disconnect is between us, but we're talking about only consuming the flesh or organ meat of an animal for a "meat only" diet, right? No butter, eggs, cream, or other byproducts?0 -
sunnybeaches105 wrote: »I've always thought the Eskimo diet was interesting for its lack of fruits and veggies. Not for me, but I guess it can be done. Anyone have any thoughtful criticism of this?
http://www.livestrong.com/article/450725-eskimo-diet-heart-disease/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neal-barnard-md/eskimo-myth_b_5268420.html
I'm just quoting because not everyone saw this.0 -
sunnybeaches105 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »I've always thought the Eskimo diet was interesting for its lack of fruits and veggies. Not for me, but I guess it can be done. Anyone have any thoughtful criticism of this?
http://www.livestrong.com/article/450725-eskimo-diet-heart-disease/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neal-barnard-md/eskimo-myth_b_5268420.html
I'm just quoting because not everyone saw this.
Huff post articles aren't generally very well received around here.
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Christine_72 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »sunnybeaches105 wrote: »I've always thought the Eskimo diet was interesting for its lack of fruits and veggies. Not for me, but I guess it can be done. Anyone have any thoughtful criticism of this?
http://www.livestrong.com/article/450725-eskimo-diet-heart-disease/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/neal-barnard-md/eskimo-myth_b_5268420.html
I'm just quoting because not everyone saw this.
Huff post articles aren't generally very well received around here.
Maybe actually read the studies linked in the article....0 -
Akimajuktuq wrote: »No it is not unhealthy. Research ancestral diets. And I've done it much longer than a month but there are things in our society that make it a very hard lifestyle to maintain. I've been back at it (with the exception of a bit of coconut oil) for over two weeks and I'm finally getting back to feeling awesome. My child is half Inuit so it's an appropriate diet for her. Her health has been badly damaged by plant foods, including vegetables and fruits. I am not Inuit but am still at my healthiest on an all animal food diet.
I'm not here to suggest anyone else should do it, but there's ample evidence to establish that it is not only safe, but ideal for some people. So accept that maybe it's not for you, but that it's an option for those who choose it.
PS. After reading a few of the comments there is much ignorance. If you haven't tried it, you don't know. It would be lovely to remember that when commenting. For instance: there is NO flatulence and NO "bathroom stench" after one has adapted to the WOE; it's plant foods that cause that and many other very uncomfortable, but now considered "normal", digestive problems.
Literally my *kitten* don't stink claims.0 -
The funny thing is that I'm almost never intentionally had meat that was even close to being raw.DorkothyParker wrote: »I can't believe their are people who never eat raw meat. Thinly sliced beef with a raw egg on top (I had in Korea, can't recall the name) or kitfo (no citrus, but hella spices) is like heaven. Now I want kitfo again. QQ
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
The funny thing is that I'm almost never intentionally had meat that was even close to being raw.DorkothyParker wrote: »I can't believe their are people who never eat raw meat. Thinly sliced beef with a raw egg on top (I had in Korea, can't recall the name) or kitfo (no citrus, but hella spices) is like heaven. Now I want kitfo again. QQ
No sushi, no oysters on the half shell or poke? Wow!0 -
Akimajuktuq wrote: »goingtobefit2015 wrote: »Not good very unhealthy and lots of fat and disease causing food.
"It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled." The plague of diseases called "diseases of civilization" did not plague our ancestors. Accidents, infections, high child mortality, and food scarcity did though.
You might want to revisit the "fats are unhealthy" idea. I'd agree that Becel and most plant oils, which are in all our "healthy" low fat foods are definitely not healthy but humans have been eating, and showing preference for, animal fats for millions of years. You and I are here; proof is in our survival as a species. The future doesn't look so good though.
Actually, for those that lived into old age, newer forensic techniques are showing that our ancestors also had the disease of civilization. Being active helped prevent and slow some of it, but they not only had all the dreadful diseases we've eliminated or drastically reduced, a long life could see them have arthritis, gout, kidney stones, heart disease, stroke. All with worse chance of survival.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/12/31/the-surprising-thing-ancient-mummies-tell-us-about-what-to-eat/
But hey, admittedly, made up history is so much more romantic and idealistic.1 -
Akimajuktuq wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »I have a friend on FaceBook that has challenged me to eat only meat for one month. This sounds horribly unhealthy.
ETA: and eat no vegetables.
Is there going to be a monetary payoff? Otherwise why would you take such an inane challenge
Because it's delicious, easy, and after a short period, most people who do it feel amazing.
It drives me crazy that people judge things that they have no experience with. Nor have done any research into peoples who do have experience... for millennia....
Just curious, but how much is your weekly grocery bill? And how does it compare to what you were doing before?
Also, you mentioned that plant material can lead to more gastrointestinal distress than meat. I would think that switch your diet from whatever someone's "normal" is to something else would cause distress. It wouldn't matter if it's going from plant based to meat or may based to plant.0 -
Just to clarify, sushi-grade fish is frozen first in order to kill any nastiness. As to raw beef.....ew0
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This is no different then the other fad type of challenges around.
Every week there's a new one that goes around like " go paleo for a month " or " eat only eggs for a week and lose weight " or " green smoothie 30 day challenge"
Some people will blindly follow anything.
I'll continue to eat a well balanced diet that meets all my macros and micros.1
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