Obesity Journal study: It's not just CICO
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stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Hell big pharma is the reason why insulin shots exist.
NOPE, the man who won the Nobel for isolating insulin, Dr. Banting, gave his patent away for free because he believed this life-saving drug should be available to everyone who needed it. Big Pharma is the reason new (but not necessarily more effective) versions of insulin are constantly created when patents run out so that they can keep the prices as high as possible.
Insulin is an amazing drug for type 1 diabetics. It's the reason two of my immediate family members are still alive today. Insulin, however, is a horrible treatment for type 2 diabetics, and does nothing to cure the root cause of their disease, but instead exacerbates it.
Lantus was #6 in the top 10 most profitable drugs in 2014, grossing 7.28 billion. http://qz.com/349929/best-selling-drugs-in-the-world/
The diabetes epidemic is nothing but good news to the only 3 companies in the US that produce insulin: Eli Lilly, Sanofi and Novo Nordisk. With that kind of money on the line, do you think they would be careless enough to share nutrition advice that actually enabled people to prevent their potential or stop their current use of insulin?
That nutrition advice is confusing garbage for good reason.
@psulemon
Searching through the web you can find so many examples of people who stopped T2 diabetes in its tracks by not listening to the stupid ADA, and not listening to their stupid doctor. They simply cut out refined sugar, fruit juice and grains from their diet, limited fruit consumption, and Voila! - no T2 diabetes.
But without funding from Big Pharma, the ADA would be mostly out of business. So they recommend a too-high carb diet, which keeps people or makes people diabetic. It is criminal, and it is a disgrace.
And if you watch cable news, you are inundated with the latest and greatest diabetes drug. And next year there will be another one that reduces blood sugars 1% more than the current one.
Dr. Banting is rolling in his grave.
Totally agree. It's an utter disgrace. The vast majority of people are totally clueless. Even diabetes educators at the hospital know that the ketogenic diet works so much better for T2DM, but their hands are tied and they aren't allowed to teach it. ADA guidelines are taught to protect medicare/medicaid reimbursement.
Hogwash
Get a clue.... and you already mentioned you work for Big Pharma, so... I'm not surprised.
Absolute and utter hogwash.
And what's worse, 100% falsifiable by 5 seconds of googling.
http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/understanding-carbohydrates/
Wow, look at them just telling you to eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication!
That's the kind of BS claims that make me actually angry, because there's just no excuse.
I'm confused, Steven. What exactly is this link suppose to confirm? You're building a strawman by saying "eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication." The point is: that 45-60 g of carbs per meal is arbitrary and unhelpful. T2DM is a dietary disease, and it needs a dietary cure. If these people want to heal their underlying disease and get off medication, they need intensive changes. Changes the ADA is not telling them about.
There is no healing from diabetes.
You sound like a walking popup advertisement "CLICK HERE TO SEE WHAT THE ADA IS NOT TELLING YOU ABOUT! YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT!"
*shrug* Who cares what I sound like? Seriously, there is no healing from diabetes!? Then how do you explain people who've done it? When someone goes from using exogenous insulin everyday to control blood sugar to no need for the medication while still controlling blood sugar: I call that healing! Smh. I guess the only option is medication for the rest of their lives then.stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Hell big pharma is the reason why insulin shots exist.
NOPE, the man who won the Nobel for isolating insulin, Dr. Banting, gave his patent away for free because he believed this life-saving drug should be available to everyone who needed it. Big Pharma is the reason new (but not necessarily more effective) versions of insulin are constantly created when patents run out so that they can keep the prices as high as possible.
Insulin is an amazing drug for type 1 diabetics. It's the reason two of my immediate family members are still alive today. Insulin, however, is a horrible treatment for type 2 diabetics, and does nothing to cure the root cause of their disease, but instead exacerbates it.
Lantus was #6 in the top 10 most profitable drugs in 2014, grossing 7.28 billion. http://qz.com/349929/best-selling-drugs-in-the-world/
The diabetes epidemic is nothing but good news to the only 3 companies in the US that produce insulin: Eli Lilly, Sanofi and Novo Nordisk. With that kind of money on the line, do you think they would be careless enough to share nutrition advice that actually enabled people to prevent their potential or stop their current use of insulin?
That nutrition advice is confusing garbage for good reason.
@psulemon
Searching through the web you can find so many examples of people who stopped T2 diabetes in its tracks by not listening to the stupid ADA, and not listening to their stupid doctor. They simply cut out refined sugar, fruit juice and grains from their diet, limited fruit consumption, and Voila! - no T2 diabetes.
But without funding from Big Pharma, the ADA would be mostly out of business. So they recommend a too-high carb diet, which keeps people or makes people diabetic. It is criminal, and it is a disgrace.
And if you watch cable news, you are inundated with the latest and greatest diabetes drug. And next year there will be another one that reduces blood sugars 1% more than the current one.
Dr. Banting is rolling in his grave.
Totally agree. It's an utter disgrace. The vast majority of people are totally clueless. Even diabetes educators at the hospital know that the ketogenic diet works so much better for T2DM, but their hands are tied and they aren't allowed to teach it. ADA guidelines are taught to protect medicare/medicaid reimbursement.
Hogwash
Get a clue.... and you already mentioned you work for Big Pharma, so... I'm not surprised.
Absolute and utter hogwash.
And what's worse, 100% falsifiable by 5 seconds of googling.
http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/understanding-carbohydrates/
Wow, look at them just telling you to eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication!
That's the kind of BS claims that make me actually angry, because there's just no excuse.
I'm confused, Steven. What exactly is this link suppose to confirm? You're building a strawman by saying "eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication." The point is: that 45-60 g of carbs per meal is arbitrary and unhelpful. T2DM is a dietary disease, and it needs a dietary cure. If these people want to heal their underlying disease and get off medication, they need intensive changes. Changes the ADA is not telling them about.
There is no healing from diabetes.
You sound like a walking popup advertisement "CLICK HERE TO SEE WHAT THE ADA IS NOT TELLING YOU ABOUT! YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT!"
*shrug* Who cares what I sound like? Seriously, there is no healing from diabetes!? Then how do you explain people who've done it? When someone goes from using exogenous insulin everyday to control blood sugar to no need for the medication while still controlling blood sugar: I call that healing! Smh. I guess the only option is medication for the rest of their lives then.
It is not, it is called remission!!6 -
KetoneKaren wrote: »Yes. that link
Now you got me curious. How is the link that says exactly the things you claim the ADA doesn't tell you, making her point that you're right and they don't tell you?
You:
"Searching through the web you can find so many examples of people who stopped T2 diabetes in its tracks by not listening to the stupid ADA, and not listening to their stupid doctor. They simply cut out refined sugar, fruit juice and grains from their diet, limited fruit consumption, and Voila! - no T2 diabetes."
Putting aside that there's no such thing as getting to "no T2 diabetes" once you have it.
ADA:
"How much and what type of carbohydrate foods are important for managing diabetes."
Literally the first sentence on the page tells you that too much and the wrong kinds of carbohydrates are not a good idea with T2D.5 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Hell big pharma is the reason why insulin shots exist.
NOPE, the man who won the Nobel for isolating insulin, Dr. Banting, gave his patent away for free because he believed this life-saving drug should be available to everyone who needed it. Big Pharma is the reason new (but not necessarily more effective) versions of insulin are constantly created when patents run out so that they can keep the prices as high as possible.
Insulin is an amazing drug for type 1 diabetics. It's the reason two of my immediate family members are still alive today. Insulin, however, is a horrible treatment for type 2 diabetics, and does nothing to cure the root cause of their disease, but instead exacerbates it.
Lantus was #6 in the top 10 most profitable drugs in 2014, grossing 7.28 billion. http://qz.com/349929/best-selling-drugs-in-the-world/
The diabetes epidemic is nothing but good news to the only 3 companies in the US that produce insulin: Eli Lilly, Sanofi and Novo Nordisk. With that kind of money on the line, do you think they would be careless enough to share nutrition advice that actually enabled people to prevent their potential or stop their current use of insulin?
That nutrition advice is confusing garbage for good reason.
@psulemon
Searching through the web you can find so many examples of people who stopped T2 diabetes in its tracks by not listening to the stupid ADA, and not listening to their stupid doctor. They simply cut out refined sugar, fruit juice and grains from their diet, limited fruit consumption, and Voila! - no T2 diabetes.
But without funding from Big Pharma, the ADA would be mostly out of business. So they recommend a too-high carb diet, which keeps people or makes people diabetic. It is criminal, and it is a disgrace.
And if you watch cable news, you are inundated with the latest and greatest diabetes drug. And next year there will be another one that reduces blood sugars 1% more than the current one.
Dr. Banting is rolling in his grave.
Totally agree. It's an utter disgrace. The vast majority of people are totally clueless. Even diabetes educators at the hospital know that the ketogenic diet works so much better for T2DM, but their hands are tied and they aren't allowed to teach it. ADA guidelines are taught to protect medicare/medicaid reimbursement.
Hogwash
Get a clue.... and you already mentioned you work for Big Pharma, so... I'm not surprised.
Absolute and utter hogwash.
And what's worse, 100% falsifiable by 5 seconds of googling.
http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/understanding-carbohydrates/
Wow, look at them just telling you to eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication!
That's the kind of BS claims that make me actually angry, because there's just no excuse.
I'm confused, Steven. What exactly is this link suppose to confirm? You're building a strawman by saying "eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication." The point is: that 45-60 g of carbs per meal is arbitrary and unhelpful. T2DM is a dietary disease, and it needs a dietary cure. If these people want to heal their underlying disease and get off medication, they need intensive changes. Changes the ADA is not telling them about.
There is no healing from diabetes.
You sound like a walking popup advertisement "CLICK HERE TO SEE WHAT THE ADA IS NOT TELLING YOU ABOUT! YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT!"
*shrug* Who cares what I sound like? Seriously, there is no healing from diabetes!? Then how do you explain people who've done it? When someone goes from using exogenous insulin everyday to control blood sugar to no need for the medication while still controlling blood sugar: I call that healing! Smh. I guess the only option is medication for the rest of their lives then.
If you still have it and it's just not acting up THAT'S NOT HEALING.10 -
@stevencloser
You aren't quoting me except the first line. That must be someone else's post.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Hell big pharma is the reason why insulin shots exist.
NOPE, the man who won the Nobel for isolating insulin, Dr. Banting, gave his patent away for free because he believed this life-saving drug should be available to everyone who needed it. Big Pharma is the reason new (but not necessarily more effective) versions of insulin are constantly created when patents run out so that they can keep the prices as high as possible.
Insulin is an amazing drug for type 1 diabetics. It's the reason two of my immediate family members are still alive today. Insulin, however, is a horrible treatment for type 2 diabetics, and does nothing to cure the root cause of their disease, but instead exacerbates it.
Lantus was #6 in the top 10 most profitable drugs in 2014, grossing 7.28 billion. http://qz.com/349929/best-selling-drugs-in-the-world/
The diabetes epidemic is nothing but good news to the only 3 companies in the US that produce insulin: Eli Lilly, Sanofi and Novo Nordisk. With that kind of money on the line, do you think they would be careless enough to share nutrition advice that actually enabled people to prevent their potential or stop their current use of insulin?
That nutrition advice is confusing garbage for good reason.
@psulemon
Searching through the web you can find so many examples of people who stopped T2 diabetes in its tracks by not listening to the stupid ADA, and not listening to their stupid doctor. They simply cut out refined sugar, fruit juice and grains from their diet, limited fruit consumption, and Voila! - no T2 diabetes.
But without funding from Big Pharma, the ADA would be mostly out of business. So they recommend a too-high carb diet, which keeps people or makes people diabetic. It is criminal, and it is a disgrace.
And if you watch cable news, you are inundated with the latest and greatest diabetes drug. And next year there will be another one that reduces blood sugars 1% more than the current one.
Dr. Banting is rolling in his grave.
Totally agree. It's an utter disgrace. The vast majority of people are totally clueless. Even diabetes educators at the hospital know that the ketogenic diet works so much better for T2DM, but their hands are tied and they aren't allowed to teach it. ADA guidelines are taught to protect medicare/medicaid reimbursement.
Hogwash
Get a clue.... and you already mentioned you work for Big Pharma, so... I'm not surprised.
Absolute and utter hogwash.
And what's worse, 100% falsifiable by 5 seconds of googling.
http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/understanding-carbohydrates/
Wow, look at them just telling you to eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication!
That's the kind of BS claims that make me actually angry, because there's just no excuse.
I'm confused, Steven. What exactly is this link suppose to confirm? You're building a strawman by saying "eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication." The point is: that 45-60 g of carbs per meal is arbitrary and unhelpful. T2DM is a dietary disease, and it needs a dietary cure. If these people want to heal their underlying disease and get off medication, they need intensive changes. Changes the ADA is not telling them about.
There is no healing from diabetes.
You sound like a walking popup advertisement "CLICK HERE TO SEE WHAT THE ADA IS NOT TELLING YOU ABOUT! YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT!"
*shrug* Who cares what I sound like? Seriously, there is no healing from diabetes!? Then how do you explain people who've done it? When someone goes from using exogenous insulin everyday to control blood sugar to no need for the medication while still controlling blood sugar: I call that healing! Smh. I guess the only option is medication for the rest of their lives then.
If you still have it and it's just not acting up THAT'S NOT HEALING.
Ok, whatever you want to call it or however you want to define it. It's possible, it happens, it's a real thing XD0 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Hell big pharma is the reason why insulin shots exist.
NOPE, the man who won the Nobel for isolating insulin, Dr. Banting, gave his patent away for free because he believed this life-saving drug should be available to everyone who needed it. Big Pharma is the reason new (but not necessarily more effective) versions of insulin are constantly created when patents run out so that they can keep the prices as high as possible.
Insulin is an amazing drug for type 1 diabetics. It's the reason two of my immediate family members are still alive today. Insulin, however, is a horrible treatment for type 2 diabetics, and does nothing to cure the root cause of their disease, but instead exacerbates it.
Lantus was #6 in the top 10 most profitable drugs in 2014, grossing 7.28 billion. http://qz.com/349929/best-selling-drugs-in-the-world/
The diabetes epidemic is nothing but good news to the only 3 companies in the US that produce insulin: Eli Lilly, Sanofi and Novo Nordisk. With that kind of money on the line, do you think they would be careless enough to share nutrition advice that actually enabled people to prevent their potential or stop their current use of insulin?
That nutrition advice is confusing garbage for good reason.
@psulemon
Searching through the web you can find so many examples of people who stopped T2 diabetes in its tracks by not listening to the stupid ADA, and not listening to their stupid doctor. They simply cut out refined sugar, fruit juice and grains from their diet, limited fruit consumption, and Voila! - no T2 diabetes.
But without funding from Big Pharma, the ADA would be mostly out of business. So they recommend a too-high carb diet, which keeps people or makes people diabetic. It is criminal, and it is a disgrace.
And if you watch cable news, you are inundated with the latest and greatest diabetes drug. And next year there will be another one that reduces blood sugars 1% more than the current one.
Dr. Banting is rolling in his grave.
Totally agree. It's an utter disgrace. The vast majority of people are totally clueless. Even diabetes educators at the hospital know that the ketogenic diet works so much better for T2DM, but their hands are tied and they aren't allowed to teach it. ADA guidelines are taught to protect medicare/medicaid reimbursement.
Hogwash
Get a clue.... and you already mentioned you work for Big Pharma, so... I'm not surprised.
Absolute and utter hogwash.
And what's worse, 100% falsifiable by 5 seconds of googling.
http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/understanding-carbohydrates/
Wow, look at them just telling you to eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication!
That's the kind of BS claims that make me actually angry, because there's just no excuse.
I'm confused, Steven. What exactly is this link suppose to confirm? You're building a strawman by saying "eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication." The point is: that 45-60 g of carbs per meal is arbitrary and unhelpful. T2DM is a dietary disease, and it needs a dietary cure. If these people want to heal their underlying disease and get off medication, they need intensive changes. Changes the ADA is not telling them about.
There is no healing from diabetes.
You sound like a walking popup advertisement "CLICK HERE TO SEE WHAT THE ADA IS NOT TELLING YOU ABOUT! YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT!"
*shrug* Who cares what I sound like? Seriously, there is no healing from diabetes!? Then how do you explain people who've done it? When someone goes from using exogenous insulin everyday to control blood sugar to no need for the medication while still controlling blood sugar: I call that healing! Smh. I guess the only option is medication for the rest of their lives then.
If you still have it and it's just not acting up THAT'S NOT HEALING.
Ok, whatever you want to call it or however you want to define it. It's possible, it happens, it's a real thing XD
It's remission6 -
queenliz99 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Hell big pharma is the reason why insulin shots exist.
NOPE, the man who won the Nobel for isolating insulin, Dr. Banting, gave his patent away for free because he believed this life-saving drug should be available to everyone who needed it. Big Pharma is the reason new (but not necessarily more effective) versions of insulin are constantly created when patents run out so that they can keep the prices as high as possible.
Insulin is an amazing drug for type 1 diabetics. It's the reason two of my immediate family members are still alive today. Insulin, however, is a horrible treatment for type 2 diabetics, and does nothing to cure the root cause of their disease, but instead exacerbates it.
Lantus was #6 in the top 10 most profitable drugs in 2014, grossing 7.28 billion. http://qz.com/349929/best-selling-drugs-in-the-world/
The diabetes epidemic is nothing but good news to the only 3 companies in the US that produce insulin: Eli Lilly, Sanofi and Novo Nordisk. With that kind of money on the line, do you think they would be careless enough to share nutrition advice that actually enabled people to prevent their potential or stop their current use of insulin?
That nutrition advice is confusing garbage for good reason.
@psulemon
Searching through the web you can find so many examples of people who stopped T2 diabetes in its tracks by not listening to the stupid ADA, and not listening to their stupid doctor. They simply cut out refined sugar, fruit juice and grains from their diet, limited fruit consumption, and Voila! - no T2 diabetes.
But without funding from Big Pharma, the ADA would be mostly out of business. So they recommend a too-high carb diet, which keeps people or makes people diabetic. It is criminal, and it is a disgrace.
And if you watch cable news, you are inundated with the latest and greatest diabetes drug. And next year there will be another one that reduces blood sugars 1% more than the current one.
Dr. Banting is rolling in his grave.
Totally agree. It's an utter disgrace. The vast majority of people are totally clueless. Even diabetes educators at the hospital know that the ketogenic diet works so much better for T2DM, but their hands are tied and they aren't allowed to teach it. ADA guidelines are taught to protect medicare/medicaid reimbursement.
Hogwash
Get a clue.... and you already mentioned you work for Big Pharma, so... I'm not surprised.
Absolute and utter hogwash.
And what's worse, 100% falsifiable by 5 seconds of googling.
http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/understanding-carbohydrates/
Wow, look at them just telling you to eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication!
That's the kind of BS claims that make me actually angry, because there's just no excuse.
I'm confused, Steven. What exactly is this link suppose to confirm? You're building a strawman by saying "eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication." The point is: that 45-60 g of carbs per meal is arbitrary and unhelpful. T2DM is a dietary disease, and it needs a dietary cure. If these people want to heal their underlying disease and get off medication, they need intensive changes. Changes the ADA is not telling them about.
There is no healing from diabetes.
You sound like a walking popup advertisement "CLICK HERE TO SEE WHAT THE ADA IS NOT TELLING YOU ABOUT! YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT!"
*shrug* Who cares what I sound like? Seriously, there is no healing from diabetes!? Then how do you explain people who've done it? When someone goes from using exogenous insulin everyday to control blood sugar to no need for the medication while still controlling blood sugar: I call that healing! Smh. I guess the only option is medication for the rest of their lives then.
If you still have it and it's just not acting up THAT'S NOT HEALING.
Ok, whatever you want to call it or however you want to define it. It's possible, it happens, it's a real thing XD
It's remission
OK, then, remission is it. Why are we quibbling over terminology? The point is: if you want to cure your T2DM or put your T2DM "in remission," the ADA guidelines are not very helpful.0 -
No it isn't remission according, once again, to my endocrinologist. If you have a normal Hgb A1c and you aren't on any meds, you no longer have diabetes. If your BP normalizes because of lifestyle changes you make, and you are no longer on BP meds, you are no longer hypertensive. You are not in remission from high blood pressure.0
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queenliz99 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Hell big pharma is the reason why insulin shots exist.
NOPE, the man who won the Nobel for isolating insulin, Dr. Banting, gave his patent away for free because he believed this life-saving drug should be available to everyone who needed it. Big Pharma is the reason new (but not necessarily more effective) versions of insulin are constantly created when patents run out so that they can keep the prices as high as possible.
Insulin is an amazing drug for type 1 diabetics. It's the reason two of my immediate family members are still alive today. Insulin, however, is a horrible treatment for type 2 diabetics, and does nothing to cure the root cause of their disease, but instead exacerbates it.
Lantus was #6 in the top 10 most profitable drugs in 2014, grossing 7.28 billion. http://qz.com/349929/best-selling-drugs-in-the-world/
The diabetes epidemic is nothing but good news to the only 3 companies in the US that produce insulin: Eli Lilly, Sanofi and Novo Nordisk. With that kind of money on the line, do you think they would be careless enough to share nutrition advice that actually enabled people to prevent their potential or stop their current use of insulin?
That nutrition advice is confusing garbage for good reason.
@psulemon
Searching through the web you can find so many examples of people who stopped T2 diabetes in its tracks by not listening to the stupid ADA, and not listening to their stupid doctor. They simply cut out refined sugar, fruit juice and grains from their diet, limited fruit consumption, and Voila! - no T2 diabetes.
But without funding from Big Pharma, the ADA would be mostly out of business. So they recommend a too-high carb diet, which keeps people or makes people diabetic. It is criminal, and it is a disgrace.
And if you watch cable news, you are inundated with the latest and greatest diabetes drug. And next year there will be another one that reduces blood sugars 1% more than the current one.
Dr. Banting is rolling in his grave.
Totally agree. It's an utter disgrace. The vast majority of people are totally clueless. Even diabetes educators at the hospital know that the ketogenic diet works so much better for T2DM, but their hands are tied and they aren't allowed to teach it. ADA guidelines are taught to protect medicare/medicaid reimbursement.
Hogwash
Get a clue.... and you already mentioned you work for Big Pharma, so... I'm not surprised.
Absolute and utter hogwash.
And what's worse, 100% falsifiable by 5 seconds of googling.
http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/understanding-carbohydrates/
Wow, look at them just telling you to eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication!
That's the kind of BS claims that make me actually angry, because there's just no excuse.
I'm confused, Steven. What exactly is this link suppose to confirm? You're building a strawman by saying "eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication." The point is: that 45-60 g of carbs per meal is arbitrary and unhelpful. T2DM is a dietary disease, and it needs a dietary cure. If these people want to heal their underlying disease and get off medication, they need intensive changes. Changes the ADA is not telling them about.
There is no healing from diabetes.
You sound like a walking popup advertisement "CLICK HERE TO SEE WHAT THE ADA IS NOT TELLING YOU ABOUT! YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT!"
*shrug* Who cares what I sound like? Seriously, there is no healing from diabetes!? Then how do you explain people who've done it? When someone goes from using exogenous insulin everyday to control blood sugar to no need for the medication while still controlling blood sugar: I call that healing! Smh. I guess the only option is medication for the rest of their lives then.
If you still have it and it's just not acting up THAT'S NOT HEALING.
Ok, whatever you want to call it or however you want to define it. It's possible, it happens, it's a real thing XD
It's remission
OK, then, remission is it. Why are we quibbling over terminology? The point is: if you want to cure your T2DM or put your T2DM "in remission," the ADA guidelines are not very helpful.
No quibbling here but do you know the difference between remission and healing? I think not.2 -
queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Hell big pharma is the reason why insulin shots exist.
NOPE, the man who won the Nobel for isolating insulin, Dr. Banting, gave his patent away for free because he believed this life-saving drug should be available to everyone who needed it. Big Pharma is the reason new (but not necessarily more effective) versions of insulin are constantly created when patents run out so that they can keep the prices as high as possible.
Insulin is an amazing drug for type 1 diabetics. It's the reason two of my immediate family members are still alive today. Insulin, however, is a horrible treatment for type 2 diabetics, and does nothing to cure the root cause of their disease, but instead exacerbates it.
Lantus was #6 in the top 10 most profitable drugs in 2014, grossing 7.28 billion. http://qz.com/349929/best-selling-drugs-in-the-world/
The diabetes epidemic is nothing but good news to the only 3 companies in the US that produce insulin: Eli Lilly, Sanofi and Novo Nordisk. With that kind of money on the line, do you think they would be careless enough to share nutrition advice that actually enabled people to prevent their potential or stop their current use of insulin?
That nutrition advice is confusing garbage for good reason.
@psulemon
Searching through the web you can find so many examples of people who stopped T2 diabetes in its tracks by not listening to the stupid ADA, and not listening to their stupid doctor. They simply cut out refined sugar, fruit juice and grains from their diet, limited fruit consumption, and Voila! - no T2 diabetes.
But without funding from Big Pharma, the ADA would be mostly out of business. So they recommend a too-high carb diet, which keeps people or makes people diabetic. It is criminal, and it is a disgrace.
And if you watch cable news, you are inundated with the latest and greatest diabetes drug. And next year there will be another one that reduces blood sugars 1% more than the current one.
Dr. Banting is rolling in his grave.
Totally agree. It's an utter disgrace. The vast majority of people are totally clueless. Even diabetes educators at the hospital know that the ketogenic diet works so much better for T2DM, but their hands are tied and they aren't allowed to teach it. ADA guidelines are taught to protect medicare/medicaid reimbursement.
Hogwash
Get a clue.... and you already mentioned you work for Big Pharma, so... I'm not surprised.
Absolute and utter hogwash.
And what's worse, 100% falsifiable by 5 seconds of googling.
http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/understanding-carbohydrates/
Wow, look at them just telling you to eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication!
That's the kind of BS claims that make me actually angry, because there's just no excuse.
I'm confused, Steven. What exactly is this link suppose to confirm? You're building a strawman by saying "eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication." The point is: that 45-60 g of carbs per meal is arbitrary and unhelpful. T2DM is a dietary disease, and it needs a dietary cure. If these people want to heal their underlying disease and get off medication, they need intensive changes. Changes the ADA is not telling them about.
There is no healing from diabetes.
You sound like a walking popup advertisement "CLICK HERE TO SEE WHAT THE ADA IS NOT TELLING YOU ABOUT! YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT!"
*shrug* Who cares what I sound like? Seriously, there is no healing from diabetes!? Then how do you explain people who've done it? When someone goes from using exogenous insulin everyday to control blood sugar to no need for the medication while still controlling blood sugar: I call that healing! Smh. I guess the only option is medication for the rest of their lives then.
If you still have it and it's just not acting up THAT'S NOT HEALING.
Ok, whatever you want to call it or however you want to define it. It's possible, it happens, it's a real thing XD
It's remission
OK, then, remission is it. Why are we quibbling over terminology? The point is: if you want to cure your T2DM or put your T2DM "in remission," the ADA guidelines are not very helpful.
No quibbling here but do you know the difference between remission and healing? I think not.
Uh, since when does the difference even matter? It would be specific to the disease process and the individual. What practical difference does your terminology make?1 -
KetoneKaren wrote: »No it isn't remission according, once again, to my endocrinologist. If you have a normal Hgb A1c and you aren't on any meds, you no longer have diabetes. If your BP normalizes because of lifestyle changes you make, and you are no longer on BP meds, you are no longer hypertensive. You are not in remission from high blood pressure.
I disagree.
There are many, many people who engage in behaviors and make choices that would generally be considered risk factors for diabetes and hypertension (among other examples). Except, for whatever genetic or lifestyle or random reason, they never develop diabetes and hypertension. Those are the people who do not have diabetes or hypertension (yet, I'll grant you that, though a large percentage of people never develop conditions for which they'd be considered high risk due to such factors).
People who were once Type 2 diabetic or who once had hypertension (meaning, that they had medically tested uncontrolled blood sugars or blood pressure and whatever other related symptoms) and may or may not have been on medications to control these diseases, but now are controlling the diseases through diet/exercise/other lifestyle changes, are still diabetic or hypertensive. They still have the disease, they're just controlling it through means other than medication. If these people were to slip back into behaviors that were not conducive to controlling their diseases, then the diseases would come back, the same way that they would if the person was controlling the disease through medication alone and stopped taking the medication.11 -
queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Hell big pharma is the reason why insulin shots exist.
NOPE, the man who won the Nobel for isolating insulin, Dr. Banting, gave his patent away for free because he believed this life-saving drug should be available to everyone who needed it. Big Pharma is the reason new (but not necessarily more effective) versions of insulin are constantly created when patents run out so that they can keep the prices as high as possible.
Insulin is an amazing drug for type 1 diabetics. It's the reason two of my immediate family members are still alive today. Insulin, however, is a horrible treatment for type 2 diabetics, and does nothing to cure the root cause of their disease, but instead exacerbates it.
Lantus was #6 in the top 10 most profitable drugs in 2014, grossing 7.28 billion. http://qz.com/349929/best-selling-drugs-in-the-world/
The diabetes epidemic is nothing but good news to the only 3 companies in the US that produce insulin: Eli Lilly, Sanofi and Novo Nordisk. With that kind of money on the line, do you think they would be careless enough to share nutrition advice that actually enabled people to prevent their potential or stop their current use of insulin?
That nutrition advice is confusing garbage for good reason.
@psulemon
Searching through the web you can find so many examples of people who stopped T2 diabetes in its tracks by not listening to the stupid ADA, and not listening to their stupid doctor. They simply cut out refined sugar, fruit juice and grains from their diet, limited fruit consumption, and Voila! - no T2 diabetes.
But without funding from Big Pharma, the ADA would be mostly out of business. So they recommend a too-high carb diet, which keeps people or makes people diabetic. It is criminal, and it is a disgrace.
And if you watch cable news, you are inundated with the latest and greatest diabetes drug. And next year there will be another one that reduces blood sugars 1% more than the current one.
Dr. Banting is rolling in his grave.
Totally agree. It's an utter disgrace. The vast majority of people are totally clueless. Even diabetes educators at the hospital know that the ketogenic diet works so much better for T2DM, but their hands are tied and they aren't allowed to teach it. ADA guidelines are taught to protect medicare/medicaid reimbursement.
Hogwash
Get a clue.... and you already mentioned you work for Big Pharma, so... I'm not surprised.
Absolute and utter hogwash.
And what's worse, 100% falsifiable by 5 seconds of googling.
http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/understanding-carbohydrates/
Wow, look at them just telling you to eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication!
That's the kind of BS claims that make me actually angry, because there's just no excuse.
I'm confused, Steven. What exactly is this link suppose to confirm? You're building a strawman by saying "eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication." The point is: that 45-60 g of carbs per meal is arbitrary and unhelpful. T2DM is a dietary disease, and it needs a dietary cure. If these people want to heal their underlying disease and get off medication, they need intensive changes. Changes the ADA is not telling them about.
There is no healing from diabetes.
You sound like a walking popup advertisement "CLICK HERE TO SEE WHAT THE ADA IS NOT TELLING YOU ABOUT! YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT!"
*shrug* Who cares what I sound like? Seriously, there is no healing from diabetes!? Then how do you explain people who've done it? When someone goes from using exogenous insulin everyday to control blood sugar to no need for the medication while still controlling blood sugar: I call that healing! Smh. I guess the only option is medication for the rest of their lives then.
If you still have it and it's just not acting up THAT'S NOT HEALING.
Ok, whatever you want to call it or however you want to define it. It's possible, it happens, it's a real thing XD
It's remission
OK, then, remission is it. Why are we quibbling over terminology? The point is: if you want to cure your T2DM or put your T2DM "in remission," the ADA guidelines are not very helpful.
No quibbling here but do you know the difference between remission and healing? I think not.
Uh, since when does the difference even matter? It would be specific to the disease process and the individual. What practical difference does your terminology make?
When someone has been told they have been healed they think, oooh, they can let their guard down, ease up on calorie counting, go back to their old bad habits, no more exercising. Yippee!! But remission is that the disease, any disease is always looming in the background, they should never let their guard down and need to stay super villigent. Big difference.8 -
queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Hell big pharma is the reason why insulin shots exist.
NOPE, the man who won the Nobel for isolating insulin, Dr. Banting, gave his patent away for free because he believed this life-saving drug should be available to everyone who needed it. Big Pharma is the reason new (but not necessarily more effective) versions of insulin are constantly created when patents run out so that they can keep the prices as high as possible.
Insulin is an amazing drug for type 1 diabetics. It's the reason two of my immediate family members are still alive today. Insulin, however, is a horrible treatment for type 2 diabetics, and does nothing to cure the root cause of their disease, but instead exacerbates it.
Lantus was #6 in the top 10 most profitable drugs in 2014, grossing 7.28 billion. http://qz.com/349929/best-selling-drugs-in-the-world/
The diabetes epidemic is nothing but good news to the only 3 companies in the US that produce insulin: Eli Lilly, Sanofi and Novo Nordisk. With that kind of money on the line, do you think they would be careless enough to share nutrition advice that actually enabled people to prevent their potential or stop their current use of insulin?
That nutrition advice is confusing garbage for good reason.
@psulemon
Searching through the web you can find so many examples of people who stopped T2 diabetes in its tracks by not listening to the stupid ADA, and not listening to their stupid doctor. They simply cut out refined sugar, fruit juice and grains from their diet, limited fruit consumption, and Voila! - no T2 diabetes.
But without funding from Big Pharma, the ADA would be mostly out of business. So they recommend a too-high carb diet, which keeps people or makes people diabetic. It is criminal, and it is a disgrace.
And if you watch cable news, you are inundated with the latest and greatest diabetes drug. And next year there will be another one that reduces blood sugars 1% more than the current one.
Dr. Banting is rolling in his grave.
Totally agree. It's an utter disgrace. The vast majority of people are totally clueless. Even diabetes educators at the hospital know that the ketogenic diet works so much better for T2DM, but their hands are tied and they aren't allowed to teach it. ADA guidelines are taught to protect medicare/medicaid reimbursement.
Hogwash
Get a clue.... and you already mentioned you work for Big Pharma, so... I'm not surprised.
Absolute and utter hogwash.
And what's worse, 100% falsifiable by 5 seconds of googling.
http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/understanding-carbohydrates/
Wow, look at them just telling you to eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication!
That's the kind of BS claims that make me actually angry, because there's just no excuse.
I'm confused, Steven. What exactly is this link suppose to confirm? You're building a strawman by saying "eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication." The point is: that 45-60 g of carbs per meal is arbitrary and unhelpful. T2DM is a dietary disease, and it needs a dietary cure. If these people want to heal their underlying disease and get off medication, they need intensive changes. Changes the ADA is not telling them about.
There is no healing from diabetes.
You sound like a walking popup advertisement "CLICK HERE TO SEE WHAT THE ADA IS NOT TELLING YOU ABOUT! YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT!"
*shrug* Who cares what I sound like? Seriously, there is no healing from diabetes!? Then how do you explain people who've done it? When someone goes from using exogenous insulin everyday to control blood sugar to no need for the medication while still controlling blood sugar: I call that healing! Smh. I guess the only option is medication for the rest of their lives then.
If you still have it and it's just not acting up THAT'S NOT HEALING.
Ok, whatever you want to call it or however you want to define it. It's possible, it happens, it's a real thing XD
It's remission
OK, then, remission is it. Why are we quibbling over terminology? The point is: if you want to cure your T2DM or put your T2DM "in remission," the ADA guidelines are not very helpful.
No quibbling here but do you know the difference between remission and healing? I think not.
Uh, since when does the difference even matter? It would be specific to the disease process and the individual. What practical difference does your terminology make?
You are a nurse?
ETA: I ask only because I would hope expect that any nurse treating a loved one of mine would know the difference between remission and "cured" and use the correct terminology, since there is a big difference.15 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Hell big pharma is the reason why insulin shots exist.
NOPE, the man who won the Nobel for isolating insulin, Dr. Banting, gave his patent away for free because he believed this life-saving drug should be available to everyone who needed it. Big Pharma is the reason new (but not necessarily more effective) versions of insulin are constantly created when patents run out so that they can keep the prices as high as possible.
Insulin is an amazing drug for type 1 diabetics. It's the reason two of my immediate family members are still alive today. Insulin, however, is a horrible treatment for type 2 diabetics, and does nothing to cure the root cause of their disease, but instead exacerbates it.
Lantus was #6 in the top 10 most profitable drugs in 2014, grossing 7.28 billion. http://qz.com/349929/best-selling-drugs-in-the-world/
The diabetes epidemic is nothing but good news to the only 3 companies in the US that produce insulin: Eli Lilly, Sanofi and Novo Nordisk. With that kind of money on the line, do you think they would be careless enough to share nutrition advice that actually enabled people to prevent their potential or stop their current use of insulin?
That nutrition advice is confusing garbage for good reason.
@psulemon
Searching through the web you can find so many examples of people who stopped T2 diabetes in its tracks by not listening to the stupid ADA, and not listening to their stupid doctor. They simply cut out refined sugar, fruit juice and grains from their diet, limited fruit consumption, and Voila! - no T2 diabetes.
But without funding from Big Pharma, the ADA would be mostly out of business. So they recommend a too-high carb diet, which keeps people or makes people diabetic. It is criminal, and it is a disgrace.
And if you watch cable news, you are inundated with the latest and greatest diabetes drug. And next year there will be another one that reduces blood sugars 1% more than the current one.
Dr. Banting is rolling in his grave.
Totally agree. It's an utter disgrace. The vast majority of people are totally clueless. Even diabetes educators at the hospital know that the ketogenic diet works so much better for T2DM, but their hands are tied and they aren't allowed to teach it. ADA guidelines are taught to protect medicare/medicaid reimbursement.
Hogwash
Get a clue.... and you already mentioned you work for Big Pharma, so... I'm not surprised.
Where did queenliz99 say she worked for Big Pharma? <confused>
Well, I believe she said Big Pharma is why she gets out of bed everyday... I assumed she meant for work, but maybe I misunderstood. Is there another explanation?
The other explaination would be she has medicine for a condition. Beta blockers are the main thing that has helped my wife's condition. And there are days she struggles with energy regardless of dietary intervention. Its just how her condition works.8 -
queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Hell big pharma is the reason why insulin shots exist.
NOPE, the man who won the Nobel for isolating insulin, Dr. Banting, gave his patent away for free because he believed this life-saving drug should be available to everyone who needed it. Big Pharma is the reason new (but not necessarily more effective) versions of insulin are constantly created when patents run out so that they can keep the prices as high as possible.
Insulin is an amazing drug for type 1 diabetics. It's the reason two of my immediate family members are still alive today. Insulin, however, is a horrible treatment for type 2 diabetics, and does nothing to cure the root cause of their disease, but instead exacerbates it.
Lantus was #6 in the top 10 most profitable drugs in 2014, grossing 7.28 billion. http://qz.com/349929/best-selling-drugs-in-the-world/
The diabetes epidemic is nothing but good news to the only 3 companies in the US that produce insulin: Eli Lilly, Sanofi and Novo Nordisk. With that kind of money on the line, do you think they would be careless enough to share nutrition advice that actually enabled people to prevent their potential or stop their current use of insulin?
That nutrition advice is confusing garbage for good reason.
@psulemon
Searching through the web you can find so many examples of people who stopped T2 diabetes in its tracks by not listening to the stupid ADA, and not listening to their stupid doctor. They simply cut out refined sugar, fruit juice and grains from their diet, limited fruit consumption, and Voila! - no T2 diabetes.
But without funding from Big Pharma, the ADA would be mostly out of business. So they recommend a too-high carb diet, which keeps people or makes people diabetic. It is criminal, and it is a disgrace.
And if you watch cable news, you are inundated with the latest and greatest diabetes drug. And next year there will be another one that reduces blood sugars 1% more than the current one.
Dr. Banting is rolling in his grave.
Totally agree. It's an utter disgrace. The vast majority of people are totally clueless. Even diabetes educators at the hospital know that the ketogenic diet works so much better for T2DM, but their hands are tied and they aren't allowed to teach it. ADA guidelines are taught to protect medicare/medicaid reimbursement.
Hogwash
Get a clue.... and you already mentioned you work for Big Pharma, so... I'm not surprised.
Absolute and utter hogwash.
And what's worse, 100% falsifiable by 5 seconds of googling.
http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/understanding-carbohydrates/
Wow, look at them just telling you to eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication!
That's the kind of BS claims that make me actually angry, because there's just no excuse.
I'm confused, Steven. What exactly is this link suppose to confirm? You're building a strawman by saying "eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication." The point is: that 45-60 g of carbs per meal is arbitrary and unhelpful. T2DM is a dietary disease, and it needs a dietary cure. If these people want to heal their underlying disease and get off medication, they need intensive changes. Changes the ADA is not telling them about.
There is no healing from diabetes.
You sound like a walking popup advertisement "CLICK HERE TO SEE WHAT THE ADA IS NOT TELLING YOU ABOUT! YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT!"
*shrug* Who cares what I sound like? Seriously, there is no healing from diabetes!? Then how do you explain people who've done it? When someone goes from using exogenous insulin everyday to control blood sugar to no need for the medication while still controlling blood sugar: I call that healing! Smh. I guess the only option is medication for the rest of their lives then.
If you still have it and it's just not acting up THAT'S NOT HEALING.
Ok, whatever you want to call it or however you want to define it. It's possible, it happens, it's a real thing XD
It's remission
OK, then, remission is it. Why are we quibbling over terminology? The point is: if you want to cure your T2DM or put your T2DM "in remission," the ADA guidelines are not very helpful.
No quibbling here but do you know the difference between remission and healing? I think not.
Uh, since when does the difference even matter? It would be specific to the disease process and the individual. What practical difference does your terminology make?
When someone has been told they have been healed they think, oooh, they can let their guard down, ease up on calorie counting, go back to their old bad habits, no more exercising. Yippee!! But remission is that the disease, any disease is always looming in the background, they should never let their guard down and need to stay super villigent. Big difference.
To further this point, from the Joslin Diabetes Center:
http://www.joslin.org/info/will_diabetes_go_away.htmlPatients diagnosed with type 2 diabetes may discover that if they are overweight at diagnosis and then lose weight and begin regular physical activity, their blood glucose returns to normal. Does this mean diabetes has disappeared? No. The development of type 2 diabetes is a gradual process, too, in which the body becomes unable to produce enough insulin for its needs and/or the body's cells become resistant to insulin's effects. Gradually the patient goes from having "impaired glucose tolerance" — a decreased but still adequate ability to convert food into energy — to having "diabetes."
If the patient were to gain weight back or scale back on their physical activity program, high blood glucose would return. If they were to overeat at a meal, their blood glucose probably would continue to go higher than someone without diabetes. Also, the decreased insulin production and/or increased insulin resistance that led to the initial diabetes diagnosis will gradually intensify over the years and during periods of stress. In time, the patient who could maintain normal blood glucose with diet and exercise alone may discover that he or she needs to add oral diabetes medications — or perhaps even insulin injections — to keep blood glucose in a healthy range.
The good news for a type 1 and type 2 patient is that if insulin, medication, weight loss, physcal activity and changes in eating result in normal blood glucose, that means their diabetes is well controlled and their risk of developing diabetes complications is much lower. But it doesn't mean that their diabetes has gone away.6 -
queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Hell big pharma is the reason why insulin shots exist.
NOPE, the man who won the Nobel for isolating insulin, Dr. Banting, gave his patent away for free because he believed this life-saving drug should be available to everyone who needed it. Big Pharma is the reason new (but not necessarily more effective) versions of insulin are constantly created when patents run out so that they can keep the prices as high as possible.
Insulin is an amazing drug for type 1 diabetics. It's the reason two of my immediate family members are still alive today. Insulin, however, is a horrible treatment for type 2 diabetics, and does nothing to cure the root cause of their disease, but instead exacerbates it.
Lantus was #6 in the top 10 most profitable drugs in 2014, grossing 7.28 billion. http://qz.com/349929/best-selling-drugs-in-the-world/
The diabetes epidemic is nothing but good news to the only 3 companies in the US that produce insulin: Eli Lilly, Sanofi and Novo Nordisk. With that kind of money on the line, do you think they would be careless enough to share nutrition advice that actually enabled people to prevent their potential or stop their current use of insulin?
That nutrition advice is confusing garbage for good reason.
@psulemon
Searching through the web you can find so many examples of people who stopped T2 diabetes in its tracks by not listening to the stupid ADA, and not listening to their stupid doctor. They simply cut out refined sugar, fruit juice and grains from their diet, limited fruit consumption, and Voila! - no T2 diabetes.
But without funding from Big Pharma, the ADA would be mostly out of business. So they recommend a too-high carb diet, which keeps people or makes people diabetic. It is criminal, and it is a disgrace.
And if you watch cable news, you are inundated with the latest and greatest diabetes drug. And next year there will be another one that reduces blood sugars 1% more than the current one.
Dr. Banting is rolling in his grave.
Totally agree. It's an utter disgrace. The vast majority of people are totally clueless. Even diabetes educators at the hospital know that the ketogenic diet works so much better for T2DM, but their hands are tied and they aren't allowed to teach it. ADA guidelines are taught to protect medicare/medicaid reimbursement.
Hogwash
Get a clue.... and you already mentioned you work for Big Pharma, so... I'm not surprised.
Absolute and utter hogwash.
And what's worse, 100% falsifiable by 5 seconds of googling.
http://www.diabetes.org/food-and-fitness/food/what-can-i-eat/understanding-carbohydrates/
Wow, look at them just telling you to eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication!
That's the kind of BS claims that make me actually angry, because there's just no excuse.
I'm confused, Steven. What exactly is this link suppose to confirm? You're building a strawman by saying "eat all the sugar and carbs and just shoot up on more medication." The point is: that 45-60 g of carbs per meal is arbitrary and unhelpful. T2DM is a dietary disease, and it needs a dietary cure. If these people want to heal their underlying disease and get off medication, they need intensive changes. Changes the ADA is not telling them about.
There is no healing from diabetes.
You sound like a walking popup advertisement "CLICK HERE TO SEE WHAT THE ADA IS NOT TELLING YOU ABOUT! YOU WON'T BELIEVE IT!"
*shrug* Who cares what I sound like? Seriously, there is no healing from diabetes!? Then how do you explain people who've done it? When someone goes from using exogenous insulin everyday to control blood sugar to no need for the medication while still controlling blood sugar: I call that healing! Smh. I guess the only option is medication for the rest of their lives then.
If you still have it and it's just not acting up THAT'S NOT HEALING.
Ok, whatever you want to call it or however you want to define it. It's possible, it happens, it's a real thing XD
It's remission
OK, then, remission is it. Why are we quibbling over terminology? The point is: if you want to cure your T2DM or put your T2DM "in remission," the ADA guidelines are not very helpful.
No quibbling here but do you know the difference between remission and healing? I think not.
Uh, since when does the difference even matter? It would be specific to the disease process and the individual. What practical difference does your terminology make?
You are a nurse?
ETA: I ask only because I would hope that any nurse treating a loved one of mine would know the difference between remission and "cured" and use the correct terminology, since there is a big difference.
Good catch, I thought the word "healed" felt strange and not really used in the medical profession.
ETA: except with broken bones3 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Hell big pharma is the reason why insulin shots exist.
NOPE, the man who won the Nobel for isolating insulin, Dr. Banting, gave his patent away for free because he believed this life-saving drug should be available to everyone who needed it. Big Pharma is the reason new (but not necessarily more effective) versions of insulin are constantly created when patents run out so that they can keep the prices as high as possible.
Insulin is an amazing drug for type 1 diabetics. It's the reason two of my immediate family members are still alive today. Insulin, however, is a horrible treatment for type 2 diabetics, and does nothing to cure the root cause of their disease, but instead exacerbates it.
Lantus was #6 in the top 10 most profitable drugs in 2014, grossing 7.28 billion. http://qz.com/349929/best-selling-drugs-in-the-world/
The diabetes epidemic is nothing but good news to the only 3 companies in the US that produce insulin: Eli Lilly, Sanofi and Novo Nordisk. With that kind of money on the line, do you think they would be careless enough to share nutrition advice that actually enabled people to prevent their potential or stop their current use of insulin?
That nutrition advice is confusing garbage for good reason.
@psulemon
Searching through the web you can find so many examples of people who stopped T2 diabetes in its tracks by not listening to the stupid ADA, and not listening to their stupid doctor. They simply cut out refined sugar, fruit juice and grains from their diet, limited fruit consumption, and Voila! - no T2 diabetes.
But without funding from Big Pharma, the ADA would be mostly out of business. So they recommend a too-high carb diet, which keeps people or makes people diabetic. It is criminal, and it is a disgrace.
And if you watch cable news, you are inundated with the latest and greatest diabetes drug. And next year there will be another one that reduces blood sugars 1% more than the current one.
Dr. Banting is rolling in his grave.
Totally agree. It's an utter disgrace. The vast majority of people are totally clueless. Even diabetes educators at the hospital know that the ketogenic diet works so much better for T2DM, but their hands are tied and they aren't allowed to teach it. ADA guidelines are taught to protect medicare/medicaid reimbursement.
Hogwash
Get a clue.... and you already mentioned you work for Big Pharma, so... I'm not surprised.
Where did queenliz99 say she worked for Big Pharma? <confused>
Well, I believe she said Big Pharma is why she gets out of bed everyday... I assumed she meant for work, but maybe I misunderstood. Is there another explanation?
The obvious implication of this, to me, is that she relies on a drug or some other benefit provided by Big Pharma to be able to live a normal life and get out of bed. I find the job interpretation a little odd, as surely we wouldn't just stay in bed on non work days.9 -
snickerscharlie wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »gonetothedogs19 wrote: »Hell big pharma is the reason why insulin shots exist.
NOPE, the man who won the Nobel for isolating insulin, Dr. Banting, gave his patent away for free because he believed this life-saving drug should be available to everyone who needed it. Big Pharma is the reason new (but not necessarily more effective) versions of insulin are constantly created when patents run out so that they can keep the prices as high as possible.
Insulin is an amazing drug for type 1 diabetics. It's the reason two of my immediate family members are still alive today. Insulin, however, is a horrible treatment for type 2 diabetics, and does nothing to cure the root cause of their disease, but instead exacerbates it.
Lantus was #6 in the top 10 most profitable drugs in 2014, grossing 7.28 billion. http://qz.com/349929/best-selling-drugs-in-the-world/
The diabetes epidemic is nothing but good news to the only 3 companies in the US that produce insulin: Eli Lilly, Sanofi and Novo Nordisk. With that kind of money on the line, do you think they would be careless enough to share nutrition advice that actually enabled people to prevent their potential or stop their current use of insulin?
That nutrition advice is confusing garbage for good reason.
@psulemon
Searching through the web you can find so many examples of people who stopped T2 diabetes in its tracks by not listening to the stupid ADA, and not listening to their stupid doctor. They simply cut out refined sugar, fruit juice and grains from their diet, limited fruit consumption, and Voila! - no T2 diabetes.
But without funding from Big Pharma, the ADA would be mostly out of business. So they recommend a too-high carb diet, which keeps people or makes people diabetic. It is criminal, and it is a disgrace.
And if you watch cable news, you are inundated with the latest and greatest diabetes drug. And next year there will be another one that reduces blood sugars 1% more than the current one.
Dr. Banting is rolling in his grave.
Totally agree. It's an utter disgrace. The vast majority of people are totally clueless. Even diabetes educators at the hospital know that the ketogenic diet works so much better for T2DM, but their hands are tied and they aren't allowed to teach it. ADA guidelines are taught to protect medicare/medicaid reimbursement.
Hogwash
Get a clue.... and you already mentioned you work for Big Pharma, so... I'm not surprised.
Where did queenliz99 say she worked for Big Pharma? <confused>
Well, I believe she said Big Pharma is why she gets out of bed everyday... I assumed she meant for work, but maybe I misunderstood. Is there another explanation?
The other explaination would be she has medicine for a condition. Beta blockers are the main thing that has helped my wife's condition. And there are days she struggles with energy regardless of dietary intervention. Its just how her condition works.
Without the help Bigpharma I would not able to walk, or open a jar of food, or wash my hair or take a shower or even roll out of bed. I am now almost pain free. High five BigPharma!!15 -
KetoneKaren wrote: »No it isn't remission according, once again, to my endocrinologist. If you have a normal Hgb A1c and you aren't on any meds, you no longer have diabetes. If your BP normalizes because of lifestyle changes you make, and you are no longer on BP meds, you are no longer hypertensive. You are not in remission from high blood pressure.
I disagree.
There are many, many people who engage in behaviors and make choices that would generally be considered risk factors for diabetes and hypertension (among other examples). Except, for whatever genetic or lifestyle or random reason, they never develop diabetes and hypertension. Those are the people who do not have diabetes or hypertension (yet, I'll grant you that, though a large percentage of people never develop conditions for which they'd be considered high risk due to such factors).
People who were once Type 2 diabetic or who once had hypertension (meaning, that they had medically tested uncontrolled blood sugars or blood pressure and whatever other related symptoms) and may or may not have been on medications to control these diseases, but now are controlling the diseases through diet/exercise/other lifestyle changes, are still diabetic or hypertensive. They still have the disease, they're just controlling it through means other than medication. If these people were to slip back into behaviors that were not conducive to controlling their diseases, then the diseases would come back, the same way that they would if the person was controlling the disease through medication alone and stopped taking the medication.
Just curious where the point of no return is. If a person's Hgb A1c is measured at 6.5 but he doesn't go on medicine and 3 months later his lifestyle changes result in a Hgb A1c of 5.8, does that person then carry a diagnosis of diabetes for the rest of his life and is forever in remission in your opinion? I would tend to refer to this person as a prediabetic now.0 -
*giggle* I love when threads turn to first year philosophy logical fallacy calling.4
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