No sugars and no carbs
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WinoGelato wrote: »
For the person who said "This site is based on calorie reduction...with guidelines on nutritional macros (fiber, sodium, protein, etc.) to aim for...and promoting it in a SUSTAINABLE way." THAT Is a crazy diet.
calorie reduction is impossible to sustain. If it wasn't - jenny craig, weight watchers and all of those other 'calorie counting' diets would not be making money and getting repeat clients. Why? We all know, once you go back to eating all those calories, you gain the weight back.
I just wanted to address the last two paragraphs. I'm curious how you perceive eating a balanced diet with a variety of foods in a calorie deficit and the recommendation to eat in a way that is sustainable as a crazy diet? Yet cutting out entire food groups to help achieve that calorie deficit is not?
Also, to the final paragraph: A calorie deficit is not something that is meant to be sustained forever. What is advocated for on this site is to eat at an appropriate calorie deficit based on your goals (how much to lose and a reasonable rate of loss). As a user gets closer to goal, the deficit is reduced and weight loss is slowed to 0.5 lb/week in order to help ease the transition into maintenance at an appropriate calorie level for the new weight.
Of course if you go back to eating the same number of calories as before, i.e. an energy surplus, you would gain the weight back. That also goes for people who cut out foods in order to lose weight, if they go back to eating the same as before in a calorie surplus, they too would gain the weight back. Certainly there are a lot of people who are successful at losing but not at maintaining - but in my opinion, the more dramatic the approach during weight loss, the lower the chances for long term success. For me, something that involves the word NO anything would be extreme and less likely to be sustainable even during the weight loss process. NSNG would be something that I think is way more restrictive than what the majority of people need to undertake in order to be successful.
what 'entire food group' exactly did I cut out?
Well I'm torn, either the No Sugar or the No Grains that you mentioned in the part of the post that I didn't snip...have you heard of the NSNG way of eating (No Sugar No Grain) - it's not a 'low carb' diet - you basically don't eat sugars or grains (wheat, rice, pasta, flour, oats - etc). Research grains and sugar and what they do to the body. It's not the food that makes us fat, it's hormones that are disrupted by the FOODs that we eat!
Fat is NOT the enemy - healthy fats (NOT CRAPPY FATS like vegetable oil, corn oil, partially hydrogenated oils -etc) are actually good for you. Avacados, heavy whipping cream, butter, bacon, beef, chicken thighs, olives- all good for you.
NSNG is not a low carb diet, but from eating the right foods, carbs are automatically lowered. If you want more info, message me and I'll send you a link
For the person who said "This site is based on calorie reduction...with guidelines on nutritional macros (fiber, sodium, protein, etc.) to aim for...and promoting it in a SUSTAINABLE way." THAT Is a crazy diet.
calorie reduction is impossible to sustain. If it wasn't - jenny craig, weight watchers and all of those other 'calorie counting' diets would not be making money and getting repeat clients. Why? We all know, once you go back to eating all those calories, you gain the weight back.
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microwoman999 wrote: »Thank you for some insightful tips and the website I will look at that Jeanieneni. This is the diet my doctor put me on.
The paper he gave me states
1. If it tastes sweet it has sugar examples.... orange juice, fruits , all diet sodas and crystal light. No Splenda, equal or sugar twins.
2. If food is off white or white in color it's most likely starch ( few exceptions). Example no bread, pizza, cake, pies, pastas, rice and potatoes.
Rule of thumb white or sweet you can not have it
Meat- all I want: beef, pork, poultry, seafood, rabbit as much as I want.
Veggies- you can eat all the fresh or frozen veggies excluding corn, beans, and peas. Green beans are ok
Garden salads- as much as I like. Dressing only oil and vinegar, Italian and Caesar.
Eggs- you can eat all the eggs, bacon and sausage you like
Last but not least lots of water at least half a gallon a day which is easy for me I love water.
Please don't judge what my doctor put me on. Some of you had some lovely comments. This is not an insane diet it is just what my doctor put me on. All I asked for was for help from those who were on a similar diet. Maybe I should have written the whole chart like this from the beginning. I do not have sugar issues This is what he said would help me loose the best and I just said I would try it. I'm 2 weeks in and have lost 5.4lbs without being 100% on this diet and lost an inch in the waist and an inch in the hips.
I missed this before.
Boy I wish doctors had a different set of ongoing education units. I say this as someone who.... 90% or more of the time for the last 15 YEARS:
- has tried to eat MOSTLY PLANTS
-hasn't eat things with more than 3 grams of added sugar per item
-has aimed for a lower glycemic load approach to eating
-has LIMITED refined carbs
-is probably lower carb than many on here
-has incorporated lots of healthy fats
- doesn't dislike low carb diets that incorporate vegetables (most especially for folks new to low carbing)
-believes that my own success these last FIFTEEN years is in part due to knowing what encourages me to over eat, much of that, related to the above.
I still think these are RECKLESS first timer guidelines.
But that's just me.
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I have been in many restrictive diets from my doctor..7 different ones in one year. The key to eating like he wants you to eat is moderation. I have found whole30 works well..for a lifestyle eating some low glycemic fruits are healthy. It's potatos and sugar filled products that you often avoid. If you are doing it for medical reasons, like with my Liver disease and MTHFR, I am restricted to meat, veges, fruit, and healthy fats..no starchy food, corn, high folic acid foods, and grains, dairy, and gluten. Then stick with what your doctor suggests. If it is only for weightloss, my suggestion is to eat a max of 2 fruits a day, avoid starches, and whatever else your doctor has suggested.0
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As far as diet soda..there is a sweetener in it and although many will say it doesn't have sugar, the sweetener does effect your body.0
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briannadunn wrote: »As far as diet soda..there is a sweetener in it and although many will say it doesn't have sugar, the sweetener does effect your body.
How so?4 -
microwoman999 wrote: »Well for those who are talking about exercise I would like to point out I'm walking for exercise. Just started a couple days ago (as my knee has been swelling everyday I'm taking it slow). I walk about 2 miles at a brisk pace. I am also doing sit ups, push ups, squats and planking this week. That is the challenge I started with my friends on Monday on MFP. I do know exercise is part of it. This is not my first diet. I have done the calorie counting as well. I started on this site in 2011 and after loosing 60lbs I left the site. 4 years later I'm back to loose a little bit of weight again as I added some on. Thank you for some of the recipes I've seen on here I'm sure going to try some. Again for that pig stuff I'm laughing so hard about that! Thanks for the humor I love it!
It may not work for you as it does for me, but I've found it helpful to ice my knee for a few minutes after concerted exercise (like that brisk walk).
There's no substitute for diagnosis if you have a knee problem, so I would not (did not) skip the medical diagnosis step, but icing has helped me reduce discomfort along the way. The big drugstores have nice re-usable gel packs (some with a Velcro strap to hold them in place) that are handy for this - they're moldable when frozen, unlike frozen water).
Apologies for the digression!0 -
Yes the knee was looked at. It doesn't hurt and he told me to ice it. Took an x-ray and don't see anything wrong there. It just swells everyday after work or exercise. I bought shoe inserts hoping that would help. But nothing so far so I just take it easy on it. At least I can walk0
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microwoman999 wrote: »Yes the knee was looked at. It doesn't hurt and he told me to ice it. Took an x-ray and don't see anything wrong there. It just swells everyday after work or exercise. I bought shoe inserts hoping that would help. But nothing so far so I just take it easy on it. At least I can walk
While I am a big believer in exercise for health and especially mental health, as someone with bad knees myself, I am concerned about yours. Until it stops swelling, perhaps slow down the walks and stop with the squats.
What kind of shoes are you wearing to walk and for everyday?1 -
kshama2001 wrote: »microwoman999 wrote: »Yes the knee was looked at. It doesn't hurt and he told me to ice it. Took an x-ray and don't see anything wrong there. It just swells everyday after work or exercise. I bought shoe inserts hoping that would help. But nothing so far so I just take it easy on it. At least I can walk
While I am a big believer in exercise for health and especially mental health, as someone with bad knees myself, I am concerned about yours. Until it stops swelling, perhaps slow down the walks and stop with the squats.
What kind of shoes are you wearing to walk and for everyday?
And how is your form with squats?
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Doctors have MINIMAL training in nutrition. In 8 years of study, they get about 20 hours on nutrition. That's not a lot of time. That's like 20 days of study for an hour a day. If you want EXPERT advice on a diet for you, go to a REGISTERED DIETICIAN who have 4 years of study on it.microwoman999 wrote: »Thank you for some insightful tips and the website I will look at that Jeanieneni. This is the diet my doctor put me on.
The paper he gave me states
1. If it tastes sweet it has sugar examples.... orange juice, fruits , all diet sodas and crystal light. No Splenda, equal or sugar twins.
2. If food is off white or white in color it's most likely starch ( few exceptions). Example no bread, pizza, cake, pies, pastas, rice and potatoes.
Rule of thumb white or sweet you can not have it
Meat- all I want: beef, pork, poultry, seafood, rabbit as much as I want.
Veggies- you can eat all the fresh or frozen veggies excluding corn, beans, and peas. Green beans are ok
Garden salads- as much as I like. Dressing only oil and vinegar, Italian and Caesar.
Eggs- you can eat all the eggs, bacon and sausage you like
Last but not least lots of water at least half a gallon a day which is easy for me I love water.
Please don't judge what my doctor put me on. Some of you had some lovely comments. This is not an insane diet it is just what my doctor put me on. All I asked for was for help from those who were on a similar diet. Maybe I should have written the whole chart like this from the beginning. I do not have sugar issues This is what he said would help me loose the best and I just said I would try it. I'm 2 weeks in and have lost 5.4lbs without being 100% on this diet and lost an inch in the waist and an inch in the hips.
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This^^^ 100% all the way. I know a med student studying to be a GP, they have a few years to go and get in the top 1% with their grades yet i would never trust them with nutritional advice. They went on the insane Lemon, honey water, pepper detox.. they also tried to go vegan for weight loss as well as "Purged"(Puked) When they ate sweets.. But yes... a med student doing a "detox" I asked them what happened to their Liver and Kidneys... They rolled their eyes. XD I spent a good few weeks laughing at them. There's a reason we see specialists... GPs aren't going to know everything just because they're an MD...
My GP also put me on YAZ when I have Leiden Factor V. He didn't even know what that was XD.. *extreme facepalm* Good thing i didn't get a bloodclot before I found a GP who quickly demanded I go off them. When in doubt, talk to a specialist in that field.2 -
briannadunn wrote: »I have been in many restrictive diets from my doctor..7 different ones in one year. The key to eating like he wants you to eat is moderation. I have found whole30 works well..for a lifestyle eating some low glycemic fruits are healthy. It's potatos and sugar filled products that you often avoid. If you are doing it for medical reasons, like with my Liver disease and MTHFR, I am restricted to meat, veges, fruit, and healthy fats..no starchy food, corn, high folic acid foods, and grains, dairy, and gluten. Then stick with what your doctor suggests. If it is only for weightloss, my suggestion is to eat a max of 2 fruits a day, avoid starches, and whatever else your doctor has suggested.briannadunn wrote: »As far as diet soda..there is a sweetener in it and although many will say it doesn't have sugar, the sweetener does effect your body.
Unfortunately you and your doctor are wrong. Doctor's don't always know best, especially when it comes to nutrition.7 -
briannadunn wrote: »As far as diet soda..there is a sweetener in it and although many will say it doesn't have sugar, the sweetener does effect your body.
Can you elaborate on this, thanks!5 -
The shoes I have are new. About a month old the Champ ones I believe. I bought dr scholls inserts from that thing you stand on in the store. The reason why I started walking was bc my knee has been doing this since a week before Christmas. I wore a knee brace for almost 3 weeks and tried steroids for a week. Finally I just went without the knee brace and it doesn't change. It was the same with the brace on. No pain just swelling. Dr didn't seem concerned but I also know the next step is an MRI and I don't have the money to do all that. I already spent money on an ablation for my back 5 months ago that also included an MRI. So I didn't know what else to do other than go on with my life.0
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Oops sorry forgot about the squats. It's good form knee does not go over the feet, straight back and not to low right now0
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microwoman999 wrote: »Oops sorry forgot about the squats. It's good form knee does not go over the feet, straight back and not to low right now
That actually doesn't sound like good form.
1: Knees over feet is fine.
2: Not too low (plus knees not over feet) gives me the impression that you aren't hitting parallel - which tends to be...let's just say, "not great" for the knees.
Straight back is good, though.2 -
microwoman999 wrote: »The shoes I have are new. About a month old the Champ ones I believe. I bought dr scholls inserts from that thing you stand on in the store. The reason why I started walking was bc my knee has been doing this since a week before Christmas. I wore a knee brace for almost 3 weeks and tried steroids for a week. Finally I just went without the knee brace and it doesn't change. It was the same with the brace on. No pain just swelling. Dr didn't seem concerned but I also know the next step is an MRI and I don't have the money to do all that. I already spent money on an ablation for my back 5 months ago that also included an MRI. So I didn't know what else to do other than go on with my life.
I had an MRI and X-rays and they didn't give me any useful information. My official diagnosis is 'Pain with Activity.' I had to work up slowly to walking and have to modify a lot of yoga poses when I do my full routine as opposed to just warm ups which I've modified to include all the knee strengthening exercises from my doctor. Seems like I can do two activities ok but when I try to do three I have problems. I've been doing ok with walking and weight training (upper body only - have not found a lower body routine that is safe for lower back and knees). Then I tried to add more vigorous yoga, knees started hurting again, so I backed off.
I do these with yoga and in between weight lifting sets:
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microwoman999 wrote: »Oops sorry forgot about the squats. It's good form knee does not go over the feet, straight back and not to low right now
That actually doesn't sound like good form.
1: Knees over feet is fine.
2: Not too low (plus knees not over feet) gives me the impression that you aren't hitting parallel - which tends to be...let's just say, "not great" for the knees.
Straight back is good, though.
I would think hitting parallel would be harder on the knees (?)1 -
kshama2001 wrote: »microwoman999 wrote: »Oops sorry forgot about the squats. It's good form knee does not go over the feet, straight back and not to low right now
That actually doesn't sound like good form.
1: Knees over feet is fine.
2: Not too low (plus knees not over feet) gives me the impression that you aren't hitting parallel - which tends to be...let's just say, "not great" for the knees.
Straight back is good, though.
I would think hitting parallel would be harder on the knees (?)
No. Full ROM is substantially better. By cutting the squat short, you are putting more stress on your knee - to actually stop. If you go to where you're supposed to go, the muscles do the work.
eta: If you can't physically hit parallel, that may be one thing, as that's simply where your body naturally stops.3 -
Thank you for the pictures that may help. Maybe I misworded my squat. My knees don't pass my toes. They do go over my feet but not past them. From what I remember I believe that was bad. I do a lot of stairs at work. My job has me moving a little. But never pain, unless the swelling gets big. But then it's only achy from it. I ice when that happens. Usually after work I do 30minutes ice no more than that. It seems to take most of the swelling down. Then I start all over again the next day0
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I understand and I am on day 5 of the same. I'm doing it not for a fad but a way to change my lifestyle. I have ridiculous cravings, I can eat all night, and I have terrible brain fog. I'm looking to ward off the cravings. So for me, no refined sugar, no carbs as well.
I am having a hard time with meals as well, especially in a house with carb eaters. It may be best to reference some Paleo recipes. I don't follow them to the letter, but they give great ideas on what to make while doing this. Don't knock Red lentils and kale soup until you try it. Of course veggies, veggies, and more veggies. If you're really in doubt consult a dietician, and a good one too.
I'm going for as long as I can until my cravings and brain fog subside. Do your best.1 -
microwoman999 wrote: »Thank you for the pictures that may help. Maybe I misworded my squat. My knees don't pass my toes.
I figured that's what you meant. And it's still fine. In fact, it's expected. I'd be willing to be that if you let them go past your toes, you'd be able to go lower. Below is an image from one of the (if not the single) best training instructional book. Even if you're not using added weight, you can keep your arms in front of you for balance, but your knees will go past your toes.
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kshama2001 wrote: »microwoman999 wrote: »The shoes I have are new. About a month old the Champ ones I believe. I bought dr scholls inserts from that thing you stand on in the store. The reason why I started walking was bc my knee has been doing this since a week before Christmas. I wore a knee brace for almost 3 weeks and tried steroids for a week. Finally I just went without the knee brace and it doesn't change. It was the same with the brace on. No pain just swelling. Dr didn't seem concerned but I also know the next step is an MRI and I don't have the money to do all that. I already spent money on an ablation for my back 5 months ago that also included an MRI. So I didn't know what else to do other than go on with my life.
I had an MRI and X-rays and they didn't give me any useful information. My official diagnosis is 'Pain with Activity.' I had to work up slowly to walking and have to modify a lot of yoga poses when I do my full routine as opposed to just warm ups which I've modified to include all the knee strengthening exercises from my doctor. Seems like I can do two activities ok but when I try to do three I have problems. I've been doing ok with walking and weight training (upper body only - have not found a lower body routine that is safe for lower back and knees). Then I tried to add more vigorous yoga, knees started hurting again, so I backed off.
I do these with yoga and in between weight lifting sets:
Have you noticed that these exercised have helped your knee(s)? I need to strengthen my right knee without using weights. Interested in trying these.
Also, with yoga, do have a website you can suggest to look at modified poses?1 -
Look_Its_Kriss wrote: »CafeRacer808 wrote: »tinaisstillwell wrote: »This is basically a Ketogenic, or high fat/low carb diet (HFLC). I've eaten this way for over a year and have lost over 30 lbs.
This type of diet is good for those who have a lot of weight to lose. The fat consumed helps increase the feeling of satiety; allowing for decreased cravings and hunger.
Mainstream nutrition generally doesn't agree with this type of diet, but it works.
It works for you. But you have to realize that satiety is a very individual thing. Fats, for example, do absolutely nothing to satiate me.
Nothing satiates me lol. Of course I have binge eating disorder so I don't know if that's just cause my brain is all wonky. If it wasn't for the medication they put me on to help me organize my eating habits better I could eat two whole chickens and probably still want more more more. Lol. It always used to frustrate me when people would talk about protein and fats keeping them full and I never felt that way at all.
You're not me, are you? This describes me to a T!0 -
rpalmisano wrote: »That is called L diet. Careful, it cannot be done for long periods as it damages your system!! Wake up people!!! A little carb makes your body organs function properly.
That's where the starch vegetables come in: corn, peas, parsnips, potatoes, pumpkin, squash, zucchini, yams, etc.0 -
Anvilhead wrote: 'Diet sodas, Crystal Light and artificial sweeteners do not have any sugar in them. None.'
True - not all artificial sweeteners have sugar in - but it is thought that they increase appitite and so would make the low carb thing work less well.
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goodasgoldilox wrote: »Anvilhead wrote: 'Diet sodas, Crystal Light and artificial sweeteners do not have any sugar in them. None.'
True - not all artificial sweeteners have sugar in - but it is thought that they increase appitite and so would make the low carb thing work less well.
Increase appetite in some people.6 -
you do realize all the chemicals in diet soda will not be good for you right?0
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NOBETTAHEA wrote: »you do realize all the chemicals in diet soda will not be good for you right?
The whole world is make of chemicals. I think you should probably be more scared about what is in the air you are breathing 24/7 than what is in a single can of diet soda.8 -
briannadunn wrote: »As far as diet soda..there is a sweetener in it and although many will say it doesn't have sugar, the sweetener does effect your body.
I don't think it does, except in crazy amounts, but for some it might make them more likely to crave sugar. So let's say the doctor had said:
"Some find that consuming even artificial sweeteners can cause you to crave sugar and since I am trying to help you change your palate" (since he's apparently decided that OP goes nuts on the sweets, who knows if that is true) "I advise that you try avoiding that too and see how it goes."
I personally wouldn't have had an issue with that.
But instead he supposedly said:
"Stay away from diet soda, it has SUGAR." Then when asked about sugar in bacon: "oh, don't worry about that, that's natural pig sugar from the piggies."
Telling lies to your patient IMO is very bad and not educational or helpful. It also is incredibly condescending: "Oh, she can't be expected to understand the real information with nuances, so I'll make it really simplistic and if it's not really true, oh, well, at least she won't be eating those bad foods she eats to get fat."
Ugh.10 -
Skyblueyellow wrote: »kshama2001 wrote: »microwoman999 wrote: »The shoes I have are new. About a month old the Champ ones I believe. I bought dr scholls inserts from that thing you stand on in the store. The reason why I started walking was bc my knee has been doing this since a week before Christmas. I wore a knee brace for almost 3 weeks and tried steroids for a week. Finally I just went without the knee brace and it doesn't change. It was the same with the brace on. No pain just swelling. Dr didn't seem concerned but I also know the next step is an MRI and I don't have the money to do all that. I already spent money on an ablation for my back 5 months ago that also included an MRI. So I didn't know what else to do other than go on with my life.
I had an MRI and X-rays and they didn't give me any useful information. My official diagnosis is 'Pain with Activity.' I had to work up slowly to walking and have to modify a lot of yoga poses when I do my full routine as opposed to just warm ups which I've modified to include all the knee strengthening exercises from my doctor. Seems like I can do two activities ok but when I try to do three I have problems. I've been doing ok with walking and weight training (upper body only - have not found a lower body routine that is safe for lower back and knees). Then I tried to add more vigorous yoga, knees started hurting again, so I backed off.
I do these with yoga and in between weight lifting sets:
Have you noticed that these exercised have helped your knee(s)? I need to strengthen my right knee without using weights. Interested in trying these.
Also, with yoga, do have a website you can suggest to look at modified poses?
Yes, these exercises definitely helped my knees. I used to have pain after 20 minutes of walking and now am up to 75 minutes, plus hills.
For Moon Salutations I replaced the deep one legged squat with Gate Pose and completely axed Garland Pose - the deep two legged squat. I'm very careful with Pigeon. Things like that.
Here are some suggestions from Yoga Journal: http://www.yogajournal.com/slideshow/5-modifications-knee-pain/
Here are some more knee strengthening exercises. The first time I did them I did it all the way through and had pain afterwards. Now I do an exercise between sets when I'm lifting weights and skip Tree Pose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLoMA7I7HOQ&t=2s&list=PLUXvX9BaxgqG9yO5XWB3gA_QshvrrcjVr&index=1 1
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