No sugars and no carbs
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@kshama2001 Thanks so much! Don't want to hijack any more than I have but appreciate your input here
OP, I hope you realize that many of these critiques and questions aren't meant to belittle you but are coming from a group of people who truly want you to be successful. At least that goes for me.2 -
NOBETTAHEA wrote: »you do realize all the chemicals in diet soda will not be good for you right?
Which "chemicals", specifically? And "not good for you" in what specific ways?5 -
microwoman999 wrote: »I'm looking for some friends that would be on a diet like this so I can get recipes ideas. I'm having a hard time finding things I can eat easily during the day. I can not have any sugar not even diet pop or crystal light products. Hoping someone else is on this crazy diet.
Join the Low Carber Daily MFP group. There are a wide range of diets in there from vegan to almost exclusively carnivorous, and 150 g of of carbs per day to almost none. Lots of success stories with people who have been low carb for years and kept of the weight without much issue.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group
Good luck.Are you going to do this forever? Because if not, once you add sugar or any type back to your diet, your glycogen reduced cells will replenish and weight could easily go up 5-10lbs. Glycogen is stored from the break down of any sugars and is NEEDED for physical activity.
I think you must have mistyped some of this. It isn't true. Adding sugar of any type back into your diet does not result in a glycogen regain of 5-10lbs. Low carb athletes replace glycogen storage just fine. The Faster study looked into it and found no real difference. At all.
Now if you'd typed a pound or so of water will be regained, I would agree completely.
This purely anecdoctal, but I usually gain 7-10 lbs after a couple very carb heavy days. I know that it comes off in a few days back on a deficit. I've done this a dozen times over the course of my journey, because, ya know bagels and such.1 -
@shinycrazy --here too! I had Japanese this weekend and did gain water weight because of increased carb intake. It shed after 2-3 days.0
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I'm not offended at all. This has been helpful. Maybe I don't 100% agree with all things but it's a discussion for a reason. As long as no one is getting angry I am absolutely happy to hear. How else do we learn. This has been done through generations through all growth in our country. If people can not communicate than how are we supposed to learn. Even from others mistakes or growths this is how, as a people we learn.8
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lemurcat12 wrote: »
It's actually simple if you are addicted to sugar. Being addicted, you cannot eat "just a little bit" because it either turns into " a whole-hella-lot" or torture craving more sugar while not eating it.
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shinycrazy wrote: »microwoman999 wrote: »I'm looking for some friends that would be on a diet like this so I can get recipes ideas. I'm having a hard time finding things I can eat easily during the day. I can not have any sugar not even diet pop or crystal light products. Hoping someone else is on this crazy diet.
Join the Low Carber Daily MFP group. There are a wide range of diets in there from vegan to almost exclusively carnivorous, and 150 g of of carbs per day to almost none. Lots of success stories with people who have been low carb for years and kept of the weight without much issue.
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/group/394-low-carber-daily-forum-the-lcd-group
Good luck.Are you going to do this forever? Because if not, once you add sugar or any type back to your diet, your glycogen reduced cells will replenish and weight could easily go up 5-10lbs. Glycogen is stored from the break down of any sugars and is NEEDED for physical activity.
I think you must have mistyped some of this. It isn't true. Adding sugar of any type back into your diet does not result in a glycogen regain of 5-10lbs. Low carb athletes replace glycogen storage just fine. The Faster study looked into it and found no real difference. At all.
Now if you'd typed a pound or so of water will be regained, I would agree completely.
This purely anecdoctal, but I usually gain 7-10 lbs after a couple very carb heavy days. I know that it comes off in a few days back on a deficit. I've done this a dozen times over the course of my journey, because, ya know bagels and such.
It can happen. As I said, it isn't 5-10 lbs of glycogen, but rather it is water. Carbs (and insulin) cause water retention.0 -
Skyblueyellow wrote: »@kshama2001 Thanks so much! Don't want to hijack any more than I have but appreciate your input here
OP, I hope you realize that many of these critiques and questions aren't meant to belittle you but are coming from a group of people who truly want you to be successful. At least that goes for me.
My pleasure! Feel free to message me privately or start a new thread 0 -
French_Peasant wrote: »Carlos_421 wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »CattOfTheGarage wrote: »microwoman999 wrote: »I questioned my doctor about the bacon because he said no fried food and I also know it's fat is high.
Pigs do not contain sugar.
But the babies are so sweet!
If I had to choose between giving up bacon forever and killing that poor sweet little adorable piggy myself.......hand me the knife, I'm hungry.
Bacon doesn't come from these pigs, that is a potbelly pig and they (as far as I know) are pet pigs and not butchering pigs
Bacon most certainly DOES come from these pigs, whether over the centuries they have been bred and raised by impoverished Vietnamese families, or today in the US when idiots buy them as "teacup pigs" and then go crying for "a free good home on a farm" when they naturally reach their slaughter weight of hundreds of pounds.
No need to capitalize a word, I can read and comprehend just fine. The pig in the original picture looked like a potbelly pig to me and forgive my ignorance as I was not aware that main stream markets carried bacon from anything other than our regular domestic pigs. Now apparently I have learned otherwise1 -
Skyblueyellow wrote: »@kshama2001 Thanks so much! Don't want to hijack any more than I have but appreciate your input here
OP, I hope you realize that many of these critiques and questions aren't meant to belittle you but are coming from a group of people who truly want you to be successful. At least that goes for me.
Absolutely.0 -
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SGCFAb5320162016 wrote: »
You may want to have a read of this very well written piece by someone who truly knows their stuff:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary/p15 -
Alatariel75 wrote: »SGCFAb5320162016 wrote: »
You may want to have a read of this very well written piece by someone who truly knows their stuff:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1308408/why-aspartame-isnt-scary/p1
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microwoman999 wrote: »Thank you for the pictures that may help. Maybe I misworded my squat. My knees don't pass my toes.
I figured that's what you meant. And it's still fine. In fact, it's expected. I'd be willing to be that if you let them go past your toes, you'd be able to go lower. Below is an image from one of the (if not the single) best training instructional book. Even if you're not using added weight, you can keep your arms in front of you for balance, but your knees will go past your toes.
I'm afraid you may be giving bad advice here. I have a knee injury and have read up on exercising with it, and the key pieces of advice I have come across are, as OP says:
- Don't extend the knees over the toes (creates pressure under the kneecap)
- Don't go too deep.
Here is an example from our own mfp blog: http://blog.myfitnesspal.com/6-ways-to-modify-squats-and-lunges-for-bad-knees/ and one from the National Health Service website written by a physiotherapist http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/c25k/Pages/knee-exercises.aspx . Note the section on "squats" has both these guidelines.
Advice for proper form when uninjured does not apply to exercising with an injury.3 -
CattOfTheGarage wrote: »microwoman999 wrote: »Thank you for the pictures that may help. Maybe I misworded my squat. My knees don't pass my toes.
I figured that's what you meant. And it's still fine. In fact, it's expected. I'd be willing to be that if you let them go past your toes, you'd be able to go lower. Below is an image from one of the (if not the single) best training instructional book. Even if you're not using added weight, you can keep your arms in front of you for balance, but your knees will go past your toes.
I'm afraid you may be giving bad advice here. I have a knee injury and have read up on exercising with it, and the key pieces of advice I have come across are, as OP says:
- Don't extend the knees over the toes (creates pressure under the kneecap)
- Don't go too deep.
Here is an example from our own mfp blog: http://blog.myfitnesspal.com/6-ways-to-modify-squats-and-lunges-for-bad-knees/ and one from the National Health Service website written by a physiotherapist http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/c25k/Pages/knee-exercises.aspx . Note the section on "squats" has both these guidelines.
Advice for proper form when uninjured does not apply to exercising with an injury.
To be honest, i would much rather take the advice from Mark Rippetoe over any other person when it comes to lifting. He is one of the most renowed strength coachea out there, which is where @TR0berts posted that picture from.
Although, modificationa may need to occur if injured.2 -
CattOfTheGarage wrote: »microwoman999 wrote: »Thank you for the pictures that may help. Maybe I misworded my squat. My knees don't pass my toes.
I figured that's what you meant. And it's still fine. In fact, it's expected. I'd be willing to be that if you let them go past your toes, you'd be able to go lower. Below is an image from one of the (if not the single) best training instructional book. Even if you're not using added weight, you can keep your arms in front of you for balance, but your knees will go past your toes.
I'm afraid you may be giving bad advice here. I have a knee injury and have read up on exercising with it, and the key pieces of advice I have come across are, as OP says:
- Don't extend the knees over the toes (creates pressure under the kneecap)
- Don't go too deep.
Here is an example from our own mfp blog: http://blog.myfitnesspal.com/6-ways-to-modify-squats-and-lunges-for-bad-knees/ and one from the National Health Service website written by a physiotherapist http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/c25k/Pages/knee-exercises.aspx . Note the section on "squats" has both these guidelines.
Advice for proper form when uninjured does not apply to exercising with an injury.
I hear you, but take another look at that nhs link. When he does his squats, even though he says to not let the knees go past the toes? They do. Additionally, he states to not go more than a right angle - which is parallel, the recommended point for squats.0 -
I hear you, but take another look at that nhs link. When he does his squats, even though he says to not let the knees go past the toes? They do.
Where are you seeing that? That shot is head on. There's no way you can tell.
If a physiotherapist says don't let the knees go past the toes in the case of an injury, you don't let the knees go past the toes. I don't care how many experts in lifting tell you that's proper form when uninjured - when you have an injury, you follow the physio's advice. Knee injuries are not to be messed with.1 -
CattOfTheGarage wrote: »
In the two pictures below it of the single leg squats. Think about that for a minute. When all of the weight is supported by one leg, that's going to put more stress on the knee than when supported by two legs.
As such, when he says to do one thing, but does the exact opposite, one should question what he's really saying.
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I see the one you mean, but if it is in front, it's only very fractionally so. It's within the margin of error when you consider that he's balancing on one leg. It is in no way fully in front as in the pictures of normal squatting posted above. That's the point.
I'm trying to work out why you seem to be doing your best to encourage OP to do something gung-ho and with abandon that is specifically against medical advice. Yeah, maybe you can get away with your knee being like a degree over the end of your toe. Or maybe it is better not to risk it at all. Either way it's not the same as saying the guideline means nothing and you should go ahead and squat as if you had no injury at all.
Seriously, just because OP posted some very bad advice she got from a doctor doesn't mean all medical professionals are wrong about everything all of the time.
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I'm trying to work out why you seem to be doing your best to encourage OP to do something gung-ho and with abandon that is specifically against medical advice.
I don't believe I am. Unless I missed it, OP didn't say that a medical provider/therapist told her to do squats that way. I merely pointed out that what she said was good form - not to parallel and knees not over toes, which is what many people mistakenly think of as good form - actually usually isn't.
If that's the advice she got from a therapist, then she should absolutely do that. If that's just what she thought because she's heard it from people that really don't know what they're talking about, she should have accurate information and make a better-informed decision. Who knows - she may find that doing squats to parallel might help her knees. They certainly helped mine (yes, personal anecdote).1 -
CattOfTheGarage wrote: »microwoman999 wrote: »Thank you for the pictures that may help. Maybe I misworded my squat. My knees don't pass my toes.
I figured that's what you meant. And it's still fine. In fact, it's expected. I'd be willing to be that if you let them go past your toes, you'd be able to go lower. Below is an image from one of the (if not the single) best training instructional book. Even if you're not using added weight, you can keep your arms in front of you for balance, but your knees will go past your toes.
I'm afraid you may be giving bad advice here. I have a knee injury and have read up on exercising with it, and the key pieces of advice I have come across are, as OP says:
- Don't extend the knees over the toes (creates pressure under the kneecap)
- Don't go too deep.
Here is an example from our own mfp blog: http://blog.myfitnesspal.com/6-ways-to-modify-squats-and-lunges-for-bad-knees/ and one from the National Health Service website written by a physiotherapist http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/c25k/Pages/knee-exercises.aspx . Note the section on "squats" has both these guidelines.
Advice for proper form when uninjured does not apply to exercising with an injury.
To be honest, i would much rather take the advice from Mark Rippetoe over any other person when it comes to lifting. He is one of the most renowed strength coachea out there, which is where @TR0berts posted that picture from.
Although, modificationa may need to occur if injured.
Agreed. I have bad knees, wear knee sleeves and was informed by very knowledgable lifters that above parallel and knees not tracking over my toes would be hell on my knees and hips....and they were right. I barbell squat slightly below parallel and my knees do track over my toes as my femurs are on the long side. No hip or knee issues! 1 -
Not quoting anyone specific here, but commenting on much above without singling anyone out: Knee problem/injury 1 is not knee problem/injury 2 is not knee problem/injury 3.
My (rowing) double partner has a knee problem; so do I. We have the same orthopedist, and different knee problems. We got wildly different physical therapy regimens and medical recommendations/treatments, which makes sense given the difference in knee problems.
If someone has a knee injury or problem, they should get expert medical advice that is specific to their personal knee problem.
It makes sense to talk about what is good squat form for someone with no injuries. It makes sense to talk about what has worked with our own personal knee injuries (and it's possibly more helpful to others if we give some indication what those injuries are).
IMO, it doesn't make any sense to prescribe exercise approaches for people who have knee injuries about which we have limited and insufficient information, especially if we lack any professional expertise.
Just my opinion, though.2 -
cerise_noir wrote: »CattOfTheGarage wrote: »microwoman999 wrote: »Thank you for the pictures that may help. Maybe I misworded my squat. My knees don't pass my toes.
I figured that's what you meant. And it's still fine. In fact, it's expected. I'd be willing to be that if you let them go past your toes, you'd be able to go lower. Below is an image from one of the (if not the single) best training instructional book. Even if you're not using added weight, you can keep your arms in front of you for balance, but your knees will go past your toes.
I'm afraid you may be giving bad advice here. I have a knee injury and have read up on exercising with it, and the key pieces of advice I have come across are, as OP says:
- Don't extend the knees over the toes (creates pressure under the kneecap)
- Don't go too deep.
Here is an example from our own mfp blog: http://blog.myfitnesspal.com/6-ways-to-modify-squats-and-lunges-for-bad-knees/ and one from the National Health Service website written by a physiotherapist http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/c25k/Pages/knee-exercises.aspx . Note the section on "squats" has both these guidelines.
Advice for proper form when uninjured does not apply to exercising with an injury.
To be honest, i would much rather take the advice from Mark Rippetoe over any other person when it comes to lifting. He is one of the most renowed strength coachea out there, which is where @TR0berts posted that picture from.
Although, modificationa may need to occur if injured.
Agreed. I have bad knees, wear knee sleeves and was informed by very knowledgable lifters that above parallel and knees not tracking over my toes would be hell on my knees and hips....and they were right. I barbell squat slightly below parallel and my knees do track over my toes as my femurs are on the long side. No hip or knee issues!
I believe that "knowledge" came from this:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14636100
To quote the conclusion of the abstract:
"Although restricting forward movement of the knees may minimize stress on the knees, it is likely that forces are inappropriately transferred to the hips and low-back region. Thus, appropriate joint loading during this exercise may require the knees to move slightly past the toes."
The fact is that there is a wide range of anatomic variability when it comes to squatting. Keeping your center of gravity and keeping knees and hips balanced is more important that trying to force everyone to follow the same dogmatic form rule. The same goes for trying to make everyone squat to parallel.1 -
kaytbugz09 wrote: »I've been doing keto/low carb since Halloween and it's been GREAT! Everyone who is freaking out on @microwoman999 needs to stop. A lot of people are on a similar diet, Low Carb/High Fat, and have had great success. I'm not extremely strict on the diet. If I want to eat a sandwich with real bread, ice cream, etc., I go ahead and have it. Only if I really want it. Otherwise, my sugar/carb cravings have practically disappeared. All symptoms from my bad gall bladder have disappeared. My bloodwork, taken just before Christmas, shows great improvements in cholesterol in the past year. I've also lost 15 pounds and two pant sizes! Sure, it sounds sketchy, but it is sustainable and it does work. Don't just automatically assume that a doctor is crazy for suggesting such a diet!
If anyone is suffering from gallstones or has had their gallbladder removed please, please, please seek medical advice before trying a high fat diet. It's generally recommended to avoid fat if you have gallbladder issues and many of those who have had their gallbladder removed end up unable to cope with anything fatty with quite spectacular results (there is a name for the condition but I can't remember what it is), I can't even drink full fat milk without experiencing similar to the side effects of Alli+too much fat. It's all rather unpleasant and painful.
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cerise_noir wrote: »CattOfTheGarage wrote: »microwoman999 wrote: »Thank you for the pictures that may help. Maybe I misworded my squat. My knees don't pass my toes.
I figured that's what you meant. And it's still fine. In fact, it's expected. I'd be willing to be that if you let them go past your toes, you'd be able to go lower. Below is an image from one of the (if not the single) best training instructional book. Even if you're not using added weight, you can keep your arms in front of you for balance, but your knees will go past your toes.
I'm afraid you may be giving bad advice here. I have a knee injury and have read up on exercising with it, and the key pieces of advice I have come across are, as OP says:
- Don't extend the knees over the toes (creates pressure under the kneecap)
- Don't go too deep.
Here is an example from our own mfp blog: http://blog.myfitnesspal.com/6-ways-to-modify-squats-and-lunges-for-bad-knees/ and one from the National Health Service website written by a physiotherapist http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/c25k/Pages/knee-exercises.aspx . Note the section on "squats" has both these guidelines.
Advice for proper form when uninjured does not apply to exercising with an injury.
To be honest, i would much rather take the advice from Mark Rippetoe over any other person when it comes to lifting. He is one of the most renowed strength coachea out there, which is where @TR0berts posted that picture from.
Although, modificationa may need to occur if injured.
Agreed. I have bad knees, wear knee sleeves and was informed by very knowledgeable lifters that above parallel and knees not tracking over my toes would be hell on my knees and hips....and they were right. I barbell squat slightly below parallel and my knees do track over my toes as my femurs are on the long side. No hip or knee issues!
I have two forms of arthritis. I have bad knees and yes, the dreaded long femurs. There is really no way if your femurs are long to not have your knees track over your toes if you're built like that.
I never used to be able to squat comfortably quite to parallel until recently when someone (ahem... hi there!) on my friend list started posting tips on squat form.
My knees feel more comfortable squatting now than they did before.1 -
kaytbugz09 wrote: »I've been doing keto/low carb since Halloween and it's been GREAT! Everyone who is freaking out on @microwoman999 needs to stop. A lot of people are on a similar diet, Low Carb/High Fat, and have had great success. I'm not extremely strict on the diet. If I want to eat a sandwich with real bread, ice cream, etc., I go ahead and have it. Only if I really want it. Otherwise, my sugar/carb cravings have practically disappeared. All symptoms from my bad gall bladder have disappeared. My bloodwork, taken just before Christmas, shows great improvements in cholesterol in the past year. I've also lost 15 pounds and two pant sizes! Sure, it sounds sketchy, but it is sustainable and it does work. Don't just automatically assume that a doctor is crazy for suggesting such a diet!
If anyone is suffering from gallstones or has had their gallbladder removed please, please, please seek medical advice before trying a high fat diet. It's generally recommended to avoid fat if you have gallbladder issues and many of those who have had their gallbladder removed end up unable to cope with anything fatty with quite spectacular results (there is a name for the condition but I can't remember what it is), I can't even drink full fat milk without experiencing similar to the side effects of Alli+too much fat. It's all rather unpleasant and painful.
@firef1y72 Thankfully I just get stabbing pain from too much fat as a warning sign now that my gallbladder is gone, so I can usually control it pretty well and even enjoy cheese on a regular basis. But I have to be pretty diligent about tracking my fat intake to make sure I don't go too high.
I think I would have slipped into a major depression if I had the Alli effects (know all too well how those go...
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kaytbugz09 wrote: »I've been doing keto/low carb since Halloween and it's been GREAT! Everyone who is freaking out on @microwoman999 needs to stop. A lot of people are on a similar diet, Low Carb/High Fat, and have had great success. I'm not extremely strict on the diet. If I want to eat a sandwich with real bread, ice cream, etc., I go ahead and have it. Only if I really want it. Otherwise, my sugar/carb cravings have practically disappeared. All symptoms from my bad gall bladder have disappeared. My bloodwork, taken just before Christmas, shows great improvements in cholesterol in the past year. I've also lost 15 pounds and two pant sizes! Sure, it sounds sketchy, but it is sustainable and it does work. Don't just automatically assume that a doctor is crazy for suggesting such a diet!
If anyone is suffering from gallstones or has had their gallbladder removed please, please, please seek medical advice before trying a high fat diet. It's generally recommended to avoid fat if you have gallbladder issues and many of those who have had their gallbladder removed end up unable to cope with anything fatty with quite spectacular results (there is a name for the condition but I can't remember what it is), I can't even drink full fat milk without experiencing similar to the side effects of Alli+too much fat. It's all rather unpleasant and painful.
yes,my sister had hers out and high fat foods,ice cream,etc shes in the bathroom not 20 min later0 -
CharlieBeansmomTracey wrote: »kaytbugz09 wrote: »I've been doing keto/low carb since Halloween and it's been GREAT! Everyone who is freaking out on @microwoman999 needs to stop. A lot of people are on a similar diet, Low Carb/High Fat, and have had great success. I'm not extremely strict on the diet. If I want to eat a sandwich with real bread, ice cream, etc., I go ahead and have it. Only if I really want it. Otherwise, my sugar/carb cravings have practically disappeared. All symptoms from my bad gall bladder have disappeared. My bloodwork, taken just before Christmas, shows great improvements in cholesterol in the past year. I've also lost 15 pounds and two pant sizes! Sure, it sounds sketchy, but it is sustainable and it does work. Don't just automatically assume that a doctor is crazy for suggesting such a diet!
If anyone is suffering from gallstones or has had their gallbladder removed please, please, please seek medical advice before trying a high fat diet. It's generally recommended to avoid fat if you have gallbladder issues and many of those who have had their gallbladder removed end up unable to cope with anything fatty with quite spectacular results (there is a name for the condition but I can't remember what it is), I can't even drink full fat milk without experiencing similar to the side effects of Alli+too much fat. It's all rather unpleasant and painful.
yes,my sister had hers out and high fat foods,ice cream,etc shes in the bathroom not 20 min later
Same with my wife (hers actually ruptured). So if she is ever constipated, we just get wings. Problem solved.2 -
kaytbugz09 wrote: »I've been doing keto/low carb since Halloween and it's been GREAT! Everyone who is freaking out on @microwoman999 needs to stop. A lot of people are on a similar diet, Low Carb/High Fat, and have had great success. I'm not extremely strict on the diet. If I want to eat a sandwich with real bread, ice cream, etc., I go ahead and have it. Only if I really want it. Otherwise, my sugar/carb cravings have practically disappeared. All symptoms from my bad gall bladder have disappeared. My bloodwork, taken just before Christmas, shows great improvements in cholesterol in the past year. I've also lost 15 pounds and two pant sizes! Sure, it sounds sketchy, but it is sustainable and it does work. Don't just automatically assume that a doctor is crazy for suggesting such a diet!
If anyone is suffering from gallstones or has had their gallbladder removed please, please, please seek medical advice before trying a high fat diet. It's generally recommended to avoid fat if you have gallbladder issues and many of those who have had their gallbladder removed end up unable to cope with anything fatty with quite spectacular results (there is a name for the condition but I can't remember what it is), I can't even drink full fat milk without experiencing similar to the side effects of Alli+too much fat. It's all rather unpleasant and painful.
I thank my lucky stars for being, well, lucky. I eat a moderate fat diet with no gall bladder and no issues. Though I had it removed almost 30 years ago. Maybe time makes a difference. Though I don't remember being given dietary restrictions.1
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