Apparently fat acceptance is a civil rights issue
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LittleHearseDriver wrote: »Overweight people are discriminated against, I've seen it in my own field. There are funeral homes who charge extra for people who are obese which isn't fair because families cannot help how much their loved one weighs.
In most cases the deceased will have a bit of an estate that will pay for the funeral. Just a bit less inheritance for the relatives.0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »LittleHearseDriver wrote: »Overweight people are discriminated against, I've seen it in my own field. There are funeral homes who charge extra for people who are obese which isn't fair because families cannot help how much their loved one weighs.
In most cases the deceased will have a bit of an estate that will pay for the funeral. Just a bit less inheritance for the relatives.
yeah, but c'mon now, it's still wrong; don't cha think?0 -
So, we don't have to judge based on anecdotal evidence. There is research on sizeism (discrimination based on someone's size). Here are some popular articles, most of which cite actual research studies by psychologists, and medical professionals, among others:
http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/08/size-discrimination-facts/
http://listverse.com/2013/09/27/10-frightening-ways-we-discriminate-against-fat-people/
https://www.fastcompany.com/3061210/the-hidden-discrimination-against-being-fat-at-work
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/16/fatmicroaggressions-fat-shaming-tweets_n_4453060.html
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/are-we-born-racist/201207/prejudice-against-fat-people
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2009/10/glutton_intolerance.html
We know that it is very, very hard to lose weight. And many people lose weight, only to regain it later. This is my third time on this site, because I've lost 64lbs twice before. My body really, really wants to be back here at this much higher weight. Society tends to assume fat people are lazy, indulgent, and stupid. We know that this is not true. Fatness is just a state of being, not a statement on who you are. But we are a judgmental society. And we are a fastpaced society, so that first impression carries a lot of information, and those deep subconscious beliefs are hard to eradicate. We may not think we are biased against people of different races, ethnic backgrounds, religious beliefs, economic levels, education levels, but in a pressure situation (and sometimes not so pressurized), those deep seated biases emerge.
Okay, we can all go back to being snarky now
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So, we don't have to judge based on anecdotal evidence. There is research on sizeism (discrimination based on someone's size). Here are some popular articles, most of which cite actual research studies by psychologists, and medical professionals, among others:
http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/08/size-discrimination-facts/
http://listverse.com/2013/09/27/10-frightening-ways-we-discriminate-against-fat-people/
https://www.fastcompany.com/3061210/the-hidden-discrimination-against-being-fat-at-work
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/16/fatmicroaggressions-fat-shaming-tweets_n_4453060.html
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/are-we-born-racist/201207/prejudice-against-fat-people
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2009/10/glutton_intolerance.html
We know that it is very, very hard to lose weight. And many people lose weight, only to regain it later. This is my third time on this site, because I've lost 64lbs twice before. My body really, really wants to be back here at this much higher weight. Society tends to assume fat people are lazy, indulgent, and stupid. We know that this is not true. Fatness is just a state of being, not a statement on who you are. But we are a judgmental society. And we are a fastpaced society, so that first impression carries a lot of information, and those deep subconscious beliefs are hard to eradicate. We may not think we are biased against people of different races, ethnic backgrounds, religious beliefs, economic levels, education levels, but in a pressure situation (and sometimes not so pressurized), those deep seated biases emerge.
Okay, we can all go back to being snarky now
It's great that there is research out there for this type of thing and no one is debated the existence of it. It's just in this situation I don't believe any discrimination has occurred. all we have is anecdotal evidence.0 -
I really don't care how much somebody weighs but I really hate sitting next to obese people on airplanes; that's the only time it bothers me.
If someone neglects their health and gains an excessive amount of weight, that's their deal, not mine. Just don't ask me to pay for their healthcare.4 -
Larger caskets cost more. That isn't discrimination.LittleHearseDriver wrote: »Overweight people are discriminated against, I've seen it in my own field. There are funeral homes who charge extra for people who are obese which isn't fair because families cannot help how much their loved one weighs.
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Then there is the scientific research;MrStabbems wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »My friend suffers from chronic migraines. She went to a doctor to try and find a reason. He told her it was because she's overweight. She's had migraines since she was young and skinny, but he said it was because of her weight. Discrimination against the obese in the medical world is rampant.
That's called a *kitten* doctor not discrimination lol
She was treated unjustly because of her weight. I would call that discrimination and a *kitten* doctor.
unjustly how?
He took one look at her and diagnosed her migraines as being caused by fat. Clearly nothing else could be causing them. Just weight. Even though she had them when she wasn't fat. If she were skinny, what would he blame them on?
honestly I know it's ur friend but ur not seeing this logically.
there is evidence to suggest obesity and headaches are linked. The doctor might be right, It might be an avenue to explore. I once had a guy come in our department having had a ton of scans to determine why he has shortness of breath. No one wanted to point out that being morbidly obese might be the likely culprit and we should look at this first to see if it solves the issue.
sometimes the obvious is the answer.
So I'm gathering you missed the part where I said she had migraines even when she was thin?
nope I notice that I just ignored it because it doesn't carry as much relevance as u think. She may be predisposed to migraines and her weight has made it worse. When looking at patients you have to consider medical history but you have to treat and diagnose current problems.
The doctor maybe right he maybe wrong but he certainly hasn't discriminated against her. That's a weak link at best.
He TOLD her her migraines were CAUSED by her obesity. NOT THAT IT WAS MAKING IT WORSE. How could her obesity CAUSE migraines when she had them BEFORE she was obese? What if she had a brain aneurysm? What if she died due to his negligence because all he was willing to do was give her one look and assume that all of her problems are caused by weight? How can anyone think that it was anything other than discrimination? I don't know how to say it to make it any simpler. I give up.
"researchers from Johns Hopkins recruited 3,862 adults to examine this issue, and concluded that people with a high body mass index (BMI) indicating overweight or obesity were 81 percent more likely to have episodic migraines (those that occur 0 to 14 days per month) than were people with a lower body mass index. The study found that this association with weight was particularly true among women under 50 (their episodic migraine risk was three times higher than men’s). It also showed that as BMI went up, so did the chance of developing migraineresearchers from Johns Hopkins recruited 3,862 adults to examine this issue, and concluded that people with a high body mass index (BMI) indicating overweight or obesity were 81 percent more likely to have episodic migraines (those that occur 0 to 14 days per month) than were people with a lower body mass index. The study found that this association with weight was particularly true among women under 50 (their episodic migraine risk was three times higher than men’s). It also showed that as BMI went up, so did the chance of developing migraine."1 -
It takes months for estates to be settled, not days.Packerjohn wrote: »LittleHearseDriver wrote: »Overweight people are discriminated against, I've seen it in my own field. There are funeral homes who charge extra for people who are obese which isn't fair because families cannot help how much their loved one weighs.
In most cases the deceased will have a bit of an estate that will pay for the funeral. Just a bit less inheritance for the relatives.0 -
There is more discrimination towards short people than there is towards fat people and short people have no choice about being short.5
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Likewise. Took the bait.1
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Link a source for this. And while I don't disagree about "choice" there are some cultures in the world where fat is a DESIRED trait.peckchris3267 wrote: »There is more discrimination towards short people than there is towards fat people and short people have no choice about being short.
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peckchris3267 wrote: »
Then there is the scientific research;MrStabbems wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »MrStabbems wrote: »My friend suffers from chronic migraines. She went to a doctor to try and find a reason. He told her it was because she's overweight. She's had migraines since she was young and skinny, but he said it was because of her weight. Discrimination against the obese in the medical world is rampant.
That's called a *kitten* doctor not discrimination lol
She was treated unjustly because of her weight. I would call that discrimination and a *kitten* doctor.
unjustly how?
He took one look at her and diagnosed her migraines as being caused by fat. Clearly nothing else could be causing them. Just weight. Even though she had them when she wasn't fat. If she were skinny, what would he blame them on?
honestly I know it's ur friend but ur not seeing this logically.
there is evidence to suggest obesity and headaches are linked. The doctor might be right, It might be an avenue to explore. I once had a guy come in our department having had a ton of scans to determine why he has shortness of breath. No one wanted to point out that being morbidly obese might be the likely culprit and we should look at this first to see if it solves the issue.
sometimes the obvious is the answer.
So I'm gathering you missed the part where I said she had migraines even when she was thin?
nope I notice that I just ignored it because it doesn't carry as much relevance as u think. She may be predisposed to migraines and her weight has made it worse. When looking at patients you have to consider medical history but you have to treat and diagnose current problems.
The doctor maybe right he maybe wrong but he certainly hasn't discriminated against her. That's a weak link at best.
He TOLD her her migraines were CAUSED by her obesity. NOT THAT IT WAS MAKING IT WORSE. How could her obesity CAUSE migraines when she had them BEFORE she was obese? What if she had a brain aneurysm? What if she died due to his negligence because all he was willing to do was give her one look and assume that all of her problems are caused by weight? How can anyone think that it was anything other than discrimination? I don't know how to say it to make it any simpler. I give up.
"researchers from Johns Hopkins recruited 3,862 adults to examine this issue, and concluded that people with a high body mass index (BMI) indicating overweight or obesity were 81 percent more likely to have episodic migraines (those that occur 0 to 14 days per month) than were people with a lower body mass index. The study found that this association with weight was particularly true among women under 50 (their episodic migraine risk was three times higher than men’s). It also showed that as BMI went up, so did the chance of developing migraineresearchers from Johns Hopkins recruited 3,862 adults to examine this issue, and concluded that people with a high body mass index (BMI) indicating overweight or obesity were 81 percent more likely to have episodic migraines (those that occur 0 to 14 days per month) than were people with a lower body mass index. The study found that this association with weight was particularly true among women under 50 (their episodic migraine risk was three times higher than men’s). It also showed that as BMI went up, so did the chance of developing migraine."
Never mind all of the other migraine triggers.
For a provider to simply inform a patient that episodic migraines are triggered by BMI without any further examination of lifestyle and potential triggers is laughable.
Does a higher BMI make one more susceptible to migraine? Evidently so.
However, there is no need to rule out: Stress, Menses, Changes in Weather, Depression, Many Different Food Triggers.... to name a few.
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CoffeeAndContour wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »
True, but is it really discrimination?Ironandwine69 wrote: »Diets don't fail. People do.
With that said, discrimination of any kind is wrong
Is having to buy two plane tickets because you take up two seats discrimination?
Is not being allowed on a zip line because you exceed the weight limit discrimination?
You're talking apples and oranges.
They're both fruit...0 -
peckchris3267 wrote: »There is more discrimination towards short people than there is towards fat people and short people have no choice about being short.
That's BS. Us tall people have to try hard to find pants that are long enough. Most stores discriminate us and don't carry long length sizes!! That's discrimination!5 -
But extra costs are incurred, more embalming fluid is used and fat people are the reason they have had to buy these lifts that cost up to $25,000.MrStabbems wrote: »LittleHearseDriver wrote: »JerSchmare wrote: »LittleHearseDriver wrote: »Overweight people are discriminated against, I've seen it in my own field. There are funeral homes who charge extra for people who are obese which isn't fair because families cannot help how much their loved one weighs.
It costs more. The box needs to be bigger, or whatever. That isn't discrimination. It seems to me that many people don't understand what discrimination really is.
I wasn't talking about caskets. Yes, oversize caskets do cost more because of extra material, but there are funeral homes who have an additional fees for embalming, dressing, and placing overweight individuals in caskets. It isn't fair because we use a lift to put people in caskets whether they weigh 90 lbs or 500 lbs. It's bad enough the person is dead, charging the family more because of their loved ones weight is like rubbing salt in an open wound.
This is discrimination. @FeraFilia said it earlier, additional charge where no extra cost occurred.
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http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MensHealthNews/story?id=8347950
Link a source for this. And while I don't disagree about "choice" there are some cultures in the world where fat is a DESIRED trait.peckchris3267 wrote: »There is more discrimination towards short people than there is towards fat people and short people have no choice about being short.
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http://www.personal.psu.edu/afr3/blogs/SIOW/2011/09/why-are-short-people-discriminated-against.html
https://www.businessmanagementdaily.com/35885/the-long-and-short-of-height-discrimination-under-the-ada
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1344817
http://www.employment-studies.co.uk/news/heightism-unacknowledged-bias
And there are many, many more.1 -
Ironandwine69 wrote: »peckchris3267 wrote: »There is more discrimination towards short people than there is towards fat people and short people have no choice about being short.
That's BS. Us tall people have to try hard to find pants that are long enough. Most stores discriminate us and don't carry long length sizes!! That's discrimination!
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/MensHealthNews/story?id=8347950
http://www.personal.psu.edu/afr3/blogs/SIOW/2011/09/why-are-short-people-discriminated-against.html
https://www.businessmanagementdaily.com/35885/the-long-and-short-of-height-discrimination-under-the-ada
https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1344817
http://www.employment-studies.co.uk/news/heightism-unacknowledged-bias
And there are many, many more1 -
Yes, I wanted an open exchange of facts and opinions on a topic having to do with weight, which is why we are all here. It is a very appropriate topic. Unfortunately, many here don't seem to understand, if you don't like the topic, or what is being said, you don't have to participate. You can just ignore it.Tbh this is exactly what OP wanted to happen. It's like the vegan thread all over again.
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I provided 6 links from various sources backing up my statement but apparently someone decided to delete them. Google it yourself.
Link a source for this. And while I don't disagree about "choice" there are some cultures in the world where fat is a DESIRED trait.peckchris3267 wrote: »There is more discrimination towards short people than there is towards fat people and short people have no choice about being short.
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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