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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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I am not arguing that the laws of thermodynamics aren't true.
What I am arguing is that it's not as easy as people make it out to be. It's not as easy as saying, well the treadmill said I burned 500 calories on the treadmill and this chocolate bar is 500 calories, so if I do this everyday, I can eat this chocolate bar everyday and just walk on the treadmill everyday for 500 calories and not gain weight. That will not stand true. Over time your body starts to adjust and become more efficient. The second day you may only burn 499 calories even though the treadmill says you've burned 500, but the chocolate bar is still equally as dense. At some point you will become efficient enough where the calories in (chocolate bar) will exceed the calories out (treadmill), to the point where weight loss will slow or stall. If you have a huge deficit and are eating 1200 calories a day (which is seems like half the people on here are doing), which is absolutely ridiculous, of course you'll continue to lose weight, you're essentially starving yourself and it would be difficult to be in a surplus at that many calories.
CICO is not as easy as it seems. And don't come back saying yeah it is cause I lost X amount of weight counting my calories. Yeah so what, so has everyone, but no one actually knows if they were being as efficient as they could be until after the fact, which is when you make adjustments for the future, but you still don't know how those adjustments will work until another future time.
You're completely wrong on this.... AGAIN!
Adaptation means I will either go farther in the same time, or faster for the same distance, not that the caloric burn will change for the same work.
If I walk 4 miles or 1 hour at 4 mph today, I will burn between 490-550 calories(according to MFP) If I walk the exact same distance in the exact same time tomorrow, I will burn the exact same calories.
As I get stronger, faster, I may go 4.5 miles in one hour... burning more calories... or I may go 4 miles in 50 minutes, burning slightly fewer calories. But If I walk the exact same speed for the exact same time, I will burn the exact same calories...
Now, if I'm in a deficit, I'll weigh less next week, and by virtue of the reduction in weight, I will in fact burn fewer calories, but that's got nothing to do with adaptation, and everything to do with a measurable reduction in work... I could compensate by wearing a Titin. or by increasing my speed and distance13 -
janejellyroll wrote: »
The concept that what one eats or doesn't eat should be a source of pride is an idea that's been really harmful to me in the past. It's food.
Saddling it with additional moral weight may work for some people, but not for me.
I'm in complete agreement. I see so many on social media giddily bragging about eating certain foods (bacon, donuts, Nutella, etc.) as though they are engaging in some hardcore rebellious activity and I don't get it. I eat them too, I just don't see it as some monumental accomplishment.
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Noreenmarie1234 wrote: »
I always find it so interesting how some people sweat a lot and others just don't. At the gym most people I see doing cardio don't sweat at all but I am DRIPPING. SO much that I have to change my clothes halfway through they are so wet. I am so self conscious of it and its the reason I hate going to the gym with anyone lol.
If amount of sweat indicated calorie loss, I would weigh 9 pounds. I look like I just showered after a good workout. Sure don't smell like it though.
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janejellyroll wrote: »
The concept that what one eats or doesn't eat should be a source of pride is an idea that's been really harmful to me in the past. It's food.
Saddling it with additional moral weight may work for some people, but not for me.
Totally agree, and it's something I've had issues with too.3 -
I hate it when people use the excuse that fast food, junk food, and ready meals are cheaper than eating healthily.
I've been using this app for a few months and have changed my diet completely. My healthy food shop is at LEAST £10 cheaper a week than before.
STOP USING EXCUSES TO NOT EAT RIGHT, A CARROT IS NOT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN A CHOCOLATE BAR.9 -
I hate it when people use the excuse that fast food, junk food, and ready meals are cheaper than eating healthily.
I've been using this app for a few months and have changed my diet completely. My healthy food shop is at LEAST £10 cheaper a week than before.
STOP USING EXCUSES TO NOT EAT RIGHT, A CARROT IS NOT MORE EXPENSIVE THAN A CHOCOLATE BAR.
Let's see
For $2
2x Snickers 430 Calories 22g Fat, 56g Carbs, 6g Protein
1x McDouble 390 Calories 18g Fat 34g Carbs 23g Protein
1x lb Carrots 180 Calories 0 fat 42g Carbs 6g Protein
Carrots lose.
Sorry.17 -
"Agave is better than sugar."
"Organic, grass fed, lives-or-grows-on-the-beach-in-California" food is better than regular.12 -
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ForecasterJason wrote: »Over here in the U.S., I'm pretty sure those same foods would be laced with preservatives, particularly when it comes to cheaper brands.
And???
How do those preservatives actively harm my health, deplete the nutrients that are in the frozen meal, or otherwise hinder my progress toward my goals?10 -
Here's my #1 unpopular opinion: I think there's far too much woo and derp surrounding keto/low-carb dieting.
I don't have any problem with the diet/way of eating/whatever you want to call it in itself - it can be a viable, healthy modality if used correctly. What I have a problem with are all the claims of magick and wizardry surrounding it, the scientifically unfounded demonization of carbohydrates/sugars, and the total ignorance of context and dosage. Not to mention the unscrupulous and unhinged "doctors" and "researchers" who delude their followers with cherry-picked research, pseudoscience and complete denial of the most basic concepts of physiology to further their agenda and sell their books/products.
Keto/low-carb has shown some efficacy in helping with some specific medical conditions. It's not a panacea which will miraculously cure every disease known to man, nor is it a magical solution to weight loss which somehow defies the laws of energy balance.
If it helps you (the general "you") with your satiety and adherence, cool. Good for you, you've found what works for you, go forth and enjoy. But that doesn't mean it's The One True Way for everybody and that all the poor, unwashed non-keto mortals are going to drop dead of the diabeetus because they ate a banana for breakfast or had a couple slices of bread with dinner.
*In my opinion.*
In short, there is no problem with eating low carb, just problems with low carbers
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Tacklewasher wrote: »
In short, there is no problem with eating low carb, just problems with low carbers
So kind of like Crossfit that way?
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janejellyroll wrote: »
The concept that what one eats or doesn't eat should be a source of pride is an idea that's been really harmful to me in the past. It's food.
Saddling it with additional moral weight may work for some people, but not for me.
EXACTLY! Both sides of the coin - people who brag they ate nothing but "junk" food all the way, and people who brag they ate nothing but cmriverside's "Organic, grass fed, lives-or-grows-on-the-beach-in-California" food. It's right up there with the concept of "cheating" in weight loss methods.6 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »
In short, there is no problem with eating low carb, just problems with low carbers
Just the millitant ones.3 -
I won't debate any of these, but I have several unpopular opinions.
1. I do believe that food can be considered healthy, junk, good, bad, franken food, etc. If you can enjoy them and still reach your goals, that's great! If not, or if you don't want to, then that is fine as well. Do what works for you.
2. There are militants in every "diet". There is no reason to bash people who do paleo/low carb/keto, but don't think your way is the only way. There are more reasonable people out there, but they are sensible enough not to get into these debates.
3. The people who throw away perfectly good food baffle me. I am not talking about a bite or two of a pizza, but a slice that was given to them by a coworker, or Halloween candy that could have easily been donated. We're adults; at some point you have to stop thinking you're hurting someone's feelings over something as silly as food.
4. There are socioeconomic disparities and barriers that have negative impacts on weight and overall health.
5. That being said, people who do have the resources, yet claim it's so difficult to afford a healthier lifestyle either are doing it wrong, or are just making excuses. You don't need to go to a gym to exercise, and healthy food can be affordable if you know how to budget (sales, cutting down on eating out, cutting out or choosing a smaller size of that daily vanilla latte).
6. There is a lot of "woo" science out there, but you can learn something from even the oddballs. Chris Kresser, for instance, believes in CICO. I still would not ever follow his detox program.
I am sure there are some more, but I can't remember any of them. I also have a lot of unpopular opinions according to the paleo/low carb/whatever trendy diet is out there now, even though I am doing the first two. I am an equal opportunity opinionater.
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janejellyroll wrote: »
The concept that what one eats or doesn't eat should be a source of pride is an idea that's been really harmful to me in the past. It's food.
Saddling it with additional moral weight may work for some people, but not for me.
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I won't debate any of these, but I have several unpopular opinions.
1. I do believe that food can be considered healthy, junk, good, bad, franken food, etc. If you can enjoy them and still reach your goals, that's great! If not, or if you don't want to, then that is fine as well. Do what works for you.
2. There are militants in every "diet". There is no reason to bash people who do paleo/low carb/keto, but don't think your way is the only way. There are more reasonable people out there, but they are sensible enough not to get into these debates.
3. The people who throw away perfectly good food baffle me. I am not talking about a bite or two of a pizza, but a slice that was given to them by a coworker, or Halloween candy that could have easily been donated. We're adults; at some point you have to stop thinking you're hurting someone's feelings over something as silly as food.
4. There are socioeconomic disparities and barriers that have negative impacts on weight and overall health.
5. That being said, people who do have the resources, yet claim it's so difficult to afford a healthier lifestyle either are doing it wrong, or are just making excuses. You don't need to go to a gym to exercise, and healthy food can be affordable if you know how to budget (sales, cutting down on eating out, cutting out or choosing a smaller size of that daily vanilla latte).
6. There is a lot of "woo" science out there, but you can learn something from even the oddballs. Chris Kresser, for instance, believes in CICO. I still would not ever follow his detox program.
I am sure there are some more, but I can't remember any of them. I also have a lot of unpopular opinions according to the paleo/low carb/whatever trendy diet is out there now, even though I am doing the first two. I am an equal opportunity opinionater.
I was just trying to find a way to say the bolded statement earlier today- thank you for putting it down so clearly.
I agree with everything in this post except possibly #3, which I am not sure I am interpreting correctly or not. I agree that food shouldn't be tossed if at all possible to eat/share/donate, but I don't feel super obligated to eat another office worker's Halloween candy or food. In those situations, I either refuse to grab some if it is out or if I was given food, I try to share with as many people around me as possible. I don't really like when other people force food on me that I don't want and I certainly don't just take food and then toss it to avoid "hurting" someone's feelings. I just won't take the food. But if a co-worker handed me a slice of pizza I didn't ask for and couldn't eat (like I just finished my own lunch), I would decline taking it or put it back with the rest of the pizza. I just set up my food ahead of time most days and if I can't rearrange for something like this, I won't eat it. Leftovers for dinner I sometimes take (if I can transport it) but I don't feel obligated to do that if someone else brought in too much food. I think whoever brought in the food is responsible for making sure if it is not fully eaten, it is not wasted.1 -
I won't debate any of these, but I have several unpopular opinions.
1. I do believe that food can be considered healthy, junk, good, bad, franken food, etc. If you can enjoy them and still reach your goals, that's great! If not, or if you don't want to, then that is fine as well. Do what works for you.
2. There are militants in every "diet". There is no reason to bash people who do paleo/low carb/keto, but don't think your way is the only way. There are more reasonable people out there, but they are sensible enough not to get into these debates.
3. The people who throw away perfectly good food baffle me. I am not talking about a bite or two of a pizza, but a slice that was given to them by a coworker, or Halloween candy that could have easily been donated. We're adults; at some point you have to stop thinking you're hurting someone's feelings over something as silly as food.
4. There are socioeconomic disparities and barriers that have negative impacts on weight and overall health.
5. That being said, people who do have the resources, yet claim it's so difficult to afford a healthier lifestyle either are doing it wrong, or are just making excuses. You don't need to go to a gym to exercise, and healthy food can be affordable if you know how to budget (sales, cutting down on eating out, cutting out or choosing a smaller size of that daily vanilla latte).
6. There is a lot of "woo" science out there, but you can learn something from even the oddballs. Chris Kresser, for instance, believes in CICO. I still would not ever follow his detox program.
I am sure there are some more, but I can't remember any of them. I also have a lot of unpopular opinions according to the paleo/low carb/whatever trendy diet is out there now, even though I am doing the first two. I am an equal opportunity opinionater.
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BeachBody is a cult, and posting fitness selfies and statuses on social media for the purpose of making money is hypocritical to fitness motivation.5
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Penthesilea514 wrote: »
I was just trying to find a way to say the bolded statement earlier today- thank you for putting it down so clearly.
I agree with everything in this post except possibly #3, which I am not sure I am interpreting correctly or not. I agree that food shouldn't be tossed if at all possible to eat/share/donate, but I don't feel super obligated to eat another office worker's Halloween candy or food. In those situations, I either refuse to grab some if it is out or if I was given food, I try to share with as many people around me as possible. I don't really like when other people force food on me that I don't want and I certainly don't just take food and then toss it to avoid "hurting" someone's feelings. I just won't take the food. But if a co-worker handed me a slice of pizza I didn't ask for and couldn't eat (like I just finished my own lunch), I would decline taking it or put it back with the rest of the pizza. I just set up my food ahead of time most days and if I can't rearrange for something like this, I won't eat it. Leftovers for dinner I sometimes take (if I can transport it) but I don't feel obligated to do that if someone else brought in too much food. I think whoever brought in the food is responsible for making sure if it is not fully eaten, it is not wasted.
That's what I meant! I have read some posts on here where people are actually wondering what to do if a coworker gives them food, and some of the responses have been, "I just throw it away when they aren't looking". I don't really understand why it is hard to refuse unless if you are new and still figuring things out. Your approach is perfectly reasonable.3 -
That's what I meant! I have read some posts on here where people are actually wondering what to do if a coworker gives them food, and some of the responses have been, "I just throw it away when they aren't looking". I don't really understand why it is hard to refuse unless if you are new and still figuring things out. Your approach is perfectly reasonable.
Ah okay, I see what you are saying. Then yes, +1 to your post 0 -
That's what I meant! I have read some posts on here where people are actually wondering what to do if a coworker gives them food, and some of the responses have been, "I just throw it away when they aren't looking". I don't really understand why it is hard to refuse unless if you are new and still figuring things out. Your approach is perfectly reasonable.
It shouldn't be, unless your coworkers are unusually pushy and obnoxious.
I had a friend who behaved like that (except regarding beer) once upon a time, so I can sympathize. Unlike a coworker situation, I was free to tell her to *kitten* off at the 100th 'c'mon, just try some'. And I did. Actually, had to do it several times until she quit speaking with me entirely - and no, she wasn't even slightly tipsy.
If we'd been at work I'd have just taken the damn beer, somehow resisted the urge not make a scene by beaning her over the head with it, and pretended to drink some just to shut her up.1 -
2. There are militants in every "diet". There is no reason to bash people who do paleo/low carb/keto, but don't think your way is the only way. There are more reasonable people out there, but they are sensible enough not to get into these debates.
I'm not following this, or not seeing why you think it's unpopular, perhaps.
Of course there's no reason to bash people who do a specific diet. What I think is found unreasonable is claiming that diet is the One True Way or evangelizing it as better than other diets, in general, claiming that not eating keto or paleo or whatever = unhealthy.3. The people who throw away perfectly good food baffle me. I am not talking about a bite or two of a pizza, but a slice that was given to them by a coworker, or Halloween candy that could have easily been donated. We're adults; at some point you have to stop thinking you're hurting someone's feelings over something as silly as food.
Eh, this doesn't happen much, but if someone leaves me a cookie I don't want on my desk with a note saying "thinking of you," I might toss it (although I wouldn't make a thing about it or tell anyone). Why not? You cannot donate something like that.4 -
I've tossed pieces of office birthday cake before, I doubt the shelter would have been able to do much with a 3" square of macros I didn't have to spare that day lol3
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Yeah, I had a former friend/roommate who had... issues. Some were mental health-related, some physical, but I found myself in a co-dependent relationship. She'd told me that she'd also been anorexic in her teens and as my weight came off, I think she started feeling threatened. She'd start pushing food on me and if I told her "thanks, but no thanks," she'd accuse me of having/being on the way to developing an eating disorder. "My mom sent over extra cake, just for you. She bakes healthy!" (Yeah, but healthy doesn't necessarily mean low-cal and I had no clue what a serving was supposed to be). "You have to eat it or you'll hurt her feelings. And she's going to ask me how you liked it and she'll be really insulted if I tell her you wouldn't even try it. No, I can't lie to her."
Or the strawman I was too enmeshed to see: "You mean you're NEVER having dessert again? That's not normal."
Well, she's out of my life and I'm in a better headspace now.5 -
Organic, Non-GMO, "natural", detoxes, cleanses... all of the silly woo BS. Makes me really angry especially when I see members shame others for things like having a water enhancer or something. People are so quick to follow whatever they're told by some edgy opinion blog that they totally disregard scientific truth.2
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you do understand that the size 8-10 today is totally dif than it was 15 years ago right?
and that by saying that 8-12 is "perfect" for taller girls shows that you really aren't in touch with being taller.
When I was a 12 I was considered over weight...now I am in line with my weight I am a size 6...5lbs down I am a size 4...
I think apparently people have gotten so used to fat being normal that it is seen as "perfect"
@SezxyStef
You are not wrong:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/10/health/weight-loss-giving-up-diet-obesity-study/index.html
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I see your assertion based on vague reporting and raise you one:
Because of the way the body's bicarbonate buffer system works, the acidity that dairy causes can cause bone loss. I don't think it's a big issue for people who do weight training but if you look up the statistics for the countries with the highest dairy consumption they also lead with bone loss. BUT it's big business like many things are and so the push toward less toxic milks has been done mostly by the fitness community and is why almond, soy, and rice milk is much more available now. Animal protein is just hard on the body all together especially the kidneys and increases the risk of cancer for the same reason "acidity".
http://www.news9.com/story/35617392/study-finds-children-who-drink-non-dairy-milk-shorter-than-peers5 -
Late to the party, but who doesn't need a good vent session on a Monday? Majority of these have been said, but I could use to release some hot air.
The one that grinds my gears most - and is my unpopular opinion, you don't need a special diet to lose weight. Everyone that does paleo or keto or name the rest, it's so damn restrictive. How can you keep that up for the rest of your life? I don't get it. Disclaimer: my generalization doesn't apply to medical conditions... yada yada yada
**CICO is the end all be all. There is no other equation. It's nothing more than calories in vs. calories out. Literally, that's it, it doesn't matter how you complete that equation.
I get a little nutty with that because countless friends and family have tried to force these things down my throat. Some family does paleo - lose the weight, gain it back when stop. Then they do whole30, lose the weight, gain it back. Then keto - repeat. Usually, in my experience, people doing restrictive diets become so sanctimonious about it and start preaching and shoving their woo down your throat. And my pathetic calorie counting is unhealthy and not sustainable.
So maybe my opinion on special diets is because of my experience and treatment from people on them? Take a grain of salt now please.
And someone said many pages back that exercising to eat a candy bar is ridiculous: Nope. The ONLY reason I do cardio, is so I can eat more. I don't need to run 3 miles on the DREADMILL after my heavy lifting 3x's a week, but I do so I can eat more and bank calories for my weekends. Many many times, my Sunday long run was fueled with anticipation of partaking in Sunday funday activities.
Another unpopular opinion: You can eat whatever you want and lose weight. As long as you fit it within your calorie goals. I've had some of my best workouts after having a terrible (read: delicious) greasy meal, with many many cocktails the next morning.
Last: You do not need to give up Alcohol. You can have your whiskey and drink it too.
Thanks guys, I feel great now, hot air gone. Off to have some wings and brews at buffalo wild wings!! Cheers!
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ForecasterJason wrote: »Over here in the U.S., I'm pretty sure those same foods would be laced with preservatives, particularly when it comes to cheaper brands.
In addition to preservatives, here in the US the cheaper brands would also include artificial colors and flavors, partially hydrogenated oil. etc. I was wanting some Suddenly Pasta Salad, looked at a few boxes at the store, saw they had lots of ingredients I don't eat, and made Pasta With Marinated Tomatoes and Summer Herbs instead. (I used sun dried tomatoes instead of marinating fresh.) Sure, it took me longer than the box of Suddenly Salad would have. But I had the time and I like to cook. I did get some good recipe ideas from the boxes, though.
My next past dish will be Summer Pasta With Zucchini, Ricotta and Basil with grilled chicken tenders.
(I use timers because I would burn everything with out them.)2
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