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VintageFeline wrote: »Take my cheese and I will cut you.
Oh, like I'm scared of your cheese knife!19 -
VintageFeline wrote: »I also want to point out that the dairy industry propaganda implies people NEED dairy products to get necessary nutrients. Those of us who like dairy products aren't falling for the hype, we just find them tasty. <shrug>
Yep. I don't need dairy to get adequate protein, but it is a good source and I enjoy various dairy products.
Every industry tries to convince us that their products are essential or highly advantageous. That's called "marketing". I give you as example number one, the supplement industry. Not to mention the beauty industry, the beef/pork/chicken industries, the vegetable industry, etc.
The "alternative" milk industry, the coconut oil industry, the diet industry, fashion industry, booze industry. Literally every single thing is marketed to try and get us to think we absolutely must buy it.
It's almost like people are trying to make a living by selling a variety of things to other people . . .23 -
I also want to point out that the dairy industry propaganda implies people NEED dairy products to get necessary nutrients. Those of us who like dairy products aren't falling for the hype, we just find them tasty. <shrug>
Yep. I don't need dairy to get adequate protein, but it is a good source and I enjoy various dairy products.
Every industry tries to convince us that their products are essential or highly advantageous. That's called "marketing". I give you as example number one, the supplement industry. Not to mention the beauty industry, the beef/pork/chicken industries, the vegetable industry, etc.
But the dairy industry convinced the USDA that it deserved representation on the "food pyramid" on which most of us were raised, promoting, through government and medical sources, the belief that dairy, in significant serving numbers (3-7 servings per day), was an essential element of a nutritious diet.
That's not your average marketing scheme by your average retail product.5 -
JeepHair77 wrote: »I also want to point out that the dairy industry propaganda implies people NEED dairy products to get necessary nutrients. Those of us who like dairy products aren't falling for the hype, we just find them tasty. <shrug>
Yep. I don't need dairy to get adequate protein, but it is a good source and I enjoy various dairy products.
Every industry tries to convince us that their products are essential or highly advantageous. That's called "marketing". I give you as example number one, the supplement industry. Not to mention the beauty industry, the beef/pork/chicken industries, the vegetable industry, etc.
But the dairy industry convinced the USDA that it deserved representation on the "food pyramid" on which most of us were raised, promoting, through government and medical sources, the belief that dairy, in significant serving numbers (3-7 servings per day), was an essential element of a nutritious diet.
That's not your average marketing scheme by your average retail product.
It was less a matter of "convincing" the USDA than it is that a big part of the mandate of the USDA is to promote the interests of American farmers, many of whom produce dairy. I am not at all surprised to see that the portion of the government charged with promoting the consumption of agricultural products would encourage the consumption of dairy.
(This isn't an attempt to score a point against dairy, it's neutral in my eyes. We just have to realize what the actual mission of the USDA is. We can't fault them for attempting to fulfill their mission).6 -
JeepHair77 wrote: »I also want to point out that the dairy industry propaganda implies people NEED dairy products to get necessary nutrients. Those of us who like dairy products aren't falling for the hype, we just find them tasty. <shrug>
Yep. I don't need dairy to get adequate protein, but it is a good source and I enjoy various dairy products.
Every industry tries to convince us that their products are essential or highly advantageous. That's called "marketing". I give you as example number one, the supplement industry. Not to mention the beauty industry, the beef/pork/chicken industries, the vegetable industry, etc.
But the dairy industry convinced the USDA that it deserved representation on the "food pyramid" on which most of us were raised, promoting, through government and medical sources, the belief that dairy, in significant serving numbers (3-7 servings per day), was an essential element of a nutritious diet.
That's not your average marketing scheme by your average retail product.
Almost sounds like....
...COLLUSION?!!!3 -
JeepHair77 wrote: »I also want to point out that the dairy industry propaganda implies people NEED dairy products to get necessary nutrients. Those of us who like dairy products aren't falling for the hype, we just find them tasty. <shrug>
Yep. I don't need dairy to get adequate protein, but it is a good source and I enjoy various dairy products.
Every industry tries to convince us that their products are essential or highly advantageous. That's called "marketing". I give you as example number one, the supplement industry. Not to mention the beauty industry, the beef/pork/chicken industries, the vegetable industry, etc.
But the dairy industry convinced the USDA that it deserved representation on the "food pyramid" on which most of us were raised, promoting, through government and medical sources, the belief that dairy, in significant serving numbers (3-7 servings per day), was an essential element of a nutritious diet.
That's not your average marketing scheme by your average retail product.
Applying that logic, I've just become far more suspect of the vegetable industry, who has somehow convinced the USDA that they deserved representation on the "food pyramid" on a much larger scale yet. That's not your average marketing scheme by your average retail product. Evil Big Veggies!15 -
JeepHair77 wrote: »I also want to point out that the dairy industry propaganda implies people NEED dairy products to get necessary nutrients. Those of us who like dairy products aren't falling for the hype, we just find them tasty. <shrug>
Yep. I don't need dairy to get adequate protein, but it is a good source and I enjoy various dairy products.
Every industry tries to convince us that their products are essential or highly advantageous. That's called "marketing". I give you as example number one, the supplement industry. Not to mention the beauty industry, the beef/pork/chicken industries, the vegetable industry, etc.
But the dairy industry convinced the USDA that it deserved representation on the "food pyramid" on which most of us were raised, promoting, through government and medical sources, the belief that dairy, in significant serving numbers (3-7 servings per day), was an essential element of a nutritious diet.
That's not your average marketing scheme by your average retail product.
Applying that logic, I've just become far more suspect of the vegetable industry, who has somehow convinced the USDA that they deserved representation on the "food pyramid" on a much larger scale yet. That's not your average marketing scheme by your average retail product. Evil Big Veggies!
Big Veg, at it again.12 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Take my cheese and I will cut you.
Oh, like I'm scared of your cheese knife!
Well I'm Scottish, my cheese knife is more like a cutlass......15 -
janejellyroll wrote: »JeepHair77 wrote: »I also want to point out that the dairy industry propaganda implies people NEED dairy products to get necessary nutrients. Those of us who like dairy products aren't falling for the hype, we just find them tasty. <shrug>
Yep. I don't need dairy to get adequate protein, but it is a good source and I enjoy various dairy products.
Every industry tries to convince us that their products are essential or highly advantageous. That's called "marketing". I give you as example number one, the supplement industry. Not to mention the beauty industry, the beef/pork/chicken industries, the vegetable industry, etc.
But the dairy industry convinced the USDA that it deserved representation on the "food pyramid" on which most of us were raised, promoting, through government and medical sources, the belief that dairy, in significant serving numbers (3-7 servings per day), was an essential element of a nutritious diet.
That's not your average marketing scheme by your average retail product.
It was less a matter of "convincing" the USDA than it is that a big part of the mandate of the USDA is to promote the interests of American farmers, many of whom produce dairy. I am not at all surprised to see that the portion of the government charged with promoting the consumption of agricultural products would encourage the consumption of dairy.
(This isn't an attempt to score a point against dairy, it's neutral in my eyes. We just have to realize what the actual mission of the USDA is. We can't fault them for attempting to fulfill their mission).
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Good example of that is grains. Because guess what the US produces a lot of - and yet no one with any knowledge claims that grains and grain products are a necessary part of a nutritious diet. We don't need so much as a single serving, and yet there they sit as the base of the old pyramid.3 -
VintageFeline wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Take my cheese and I will cut you.
Oh, like I'm scared of your cheese knife!
Well I'm Scottish, my cheese knife is more like a cutlass......
Man, I love eating 1-2 oz of cheddar and an apple. Yum!4 -
janejellyroll wrote: »JeepHair77 wrote: »I also want to point out that the dairy industry propaganda implies people NEED dairy products to get necessary nutrients. Those of us who like dairy products aren't falling for the hype, we just find them tasty. <shrug>
Yep. I don't need dairy to get adequate protein, but it is a good source and I enjoy various dairy products.
Every industry tries to convince us that their products are essential or highly advantageous. That's called "marketing". I give you as example number one, the supplement industry. Not to mention the beauty industry, the beef/pork/chicken industries, the vegetable industry, etc.
But the dairy industry convinced the USDA that it deserved representation on the "food pyramid" on which most of us were raised, promoting, through government and medical sources, the belief that dairy, in significant serving numbers (3-7 servings per day), was an essential element of a nutritious diet.
That's not your average marketing scheme by your average retail product.
It was less a matter of "convincing" the USDA than it is that a big part of the mandate of the USDA is to promote the interests of American farmers, many of whom produce dairy. I am not at all surprised to see that the portion of the government charged with promoting the consumption of agricultural products would encourage the consumption of dairy.
(This isn't an attempt to score a point against dairy, it's neutral in my eyes. We just have to realize what the actual mission of the USDA is. We can't fault them for attempting to fulfill their mission).
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Good example of that is grains. Because guess what the US produces a lot of - and yet no one with any knowledge claims that grains and grain products are a necessary part of a nutritious diet. We don't need so much as a single serving, and yet there they sit as the base of the old pyramid.
I mean, I find the entire food pyramid suspect, and its history is kind of sordid. The dairy industry lobbied HARD for the position that they have, and I'm not aware of any other industry doing the same (maybe the egg people did? I admit that my memory of this is somewhat fuzzy. I ought to research this more, probably).
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It's HARDER with hypothyroid, but it STILL comes down to CICO. You CAN'T gain MASS by eating less than you burn. You can retain water, but that's not REAL weight in terms of body composition (lean mass and fat).007dualitygirl wrote: »826_Midazaslam wrote: »Blaming your metabolism is such a cop-out.
Nothing drives me crazier than someone telling me they can't lose ANY weight because their metabolism is too slow. It's simple, CICO. Yes there are cellular differences in how your body metabolizes things, but at the end of the day, if you burn 2000 calories and only put in 1500, you're going to lose weight. Your metabolism is not some magical thing that defies the laws of thermodynamics.
Not true. Hypothyroid causes me much grief. If I eat too little, all metabolic hell breaks lose and I gain weight. There is a balance that is required. Many times people are eating TOO FEW calories and their body is on lockdown.
A calculator can say "you burned 1500 calories today" and you can eat 1000 calories, but if in reality, you only burned 1000 calories that day because you have metabolic syndrome or hypothyroidism, you will not see results at all.
Point being that you have to take responsibility for increasing your metabolism along with keeping your caloric intake at bay.
That being said, if there are no real metabolic issues -- then I totally agree.
For metabolic issues, FIX the metabolism problem ... people say they have a slow metabolism while drinking alcohol everyday, never lifting weights to increase muscle mass, never doing HiiT cardio ... never working on their stress levels ... etc -- well that is irresponsible.
I'm going to go have my wine now and stop complaining about how I can't lose 20 pounds
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Oh yes the legendary "fake" weight then it must be?
If its not lean mass or fat mass, what could it be?
Water is lean mass0 -
All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.7 -
All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
I agree. I have used chocolate almond in my smoothies but mostly because it's delicious and lower calorie than the dairy version. If i have a large milky coffee when out I will generally go for soy because the combination of lots of milk and coffee isn't pleasant for me or anyone with the misfortune to be in my vicinity.3 -
All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
In agreement. It's just different...not better. That's nothing more than marketing of an alternative product and not to be confused with facts.4 -
JeepHair77 wrote: »I also want to point out that the dairy industry propaganda implies people NEED dairy products to get necessary nutrients. Those of us who like dairy products aren't falling for the hype, we just find them tasty. <shrug>
Yep. I don't need dairy to get adequate protein, but it is a good source and I enjoy various dairy products.
Every industry tries to convince us that their products are essential or highly advantageous. That's called "marketing". I give you as example number one, the supplement industry. Not to mention the beauty industry, the beef/pork/chicken industries, the vegetable industry, etc.
But the dairy industry convinced the USDA that it deserved representation on the "food pyramid" on which most of us were raised, promoting, through government and medical sources, the belief that dairy, in significant serving numbers (3-7 servings per day), was an essential element of a nutritious diet.
That's not your average marketing scheme by your average retail product.
It kind of is -- although I do think the history of the food pyramid is more complicated.
Meat producers did the same, and grain producers certainly did far better. Yet we can easily go without meat (I'd rather not, but we don't need it for nutrition), and same with grains.3 -
All of this dairy talk brings up an unpopular opinion that I have:
I hate the very concept of alternative milks. Okay, I get it, if you have a medical reason and can't process dairy then use the almond/soy/cashew or whatever milk in your smoothie/coffee/cereal, etc. Or, get Lactiad. I've seen nothing that convinces me that they are healthier or better alternatives to plain ol' dairy. They may be lower calories, but that doesn't automatically make them more nutritious.
I'm cool with alternative milks because they have a historical pedigree. (I am not saying this is a good reason, particularly, I hope I'd be cool with them regardless, but I tend to be affected stupidly by such things.) I like researching old recipes and cuisines, and nut milks played a role in medieval cooking, for example, for various reasons, including the restrictions on dairy during fasting days.
I don't think they are healthier, but they taste different and I actually really like homemade nut milks and coconut milk (which at least until recently no one thought was healthier). Ironically, of course, a homemade cashew milk (which usually includes the nuts and is not just nut flavored) will be higher cal than dairy, and lower protein, but higher fat (like nuts!). (I mostly use it, though, because I usually have cashews around and rarely have milk around, because I don't drink it often enough to buy it, it would go bad.)4 -
Yikes, just glancing in here but had to explain why these opinions based on...I'm not sure...are not popular.cushman5279 wrote: »When people say things like "Oh I am getting a muffin top, I better start doing sit ups" ugh! And when people complain about their weight and their health while they're shoving over processed chemicals and toxins pretending to be food in their mouth! When someone says "I eat healthy and exercise, I don't know why I can't lose weight" duh...
"Toxins" are not why people gain or lose weight for the vast majority, eating more calories than you use is the overwhelming reason people gain weight.cushman5279 wrote: »I am a firm believer in the use of supplementation to help with weight loss, or cutting efforts!
Neither are supplements the reason most people gain or lose weight for the most part (unless they are full of calories), again, it is the intake of more or less calories than you use that is the reason people gain or lose weight.cushman5279 wrote: »Milk/dairy is bad. There's no other species in the world that drinks the bodily fluid of another species... and it's gross. The dairy industry has most people in this world completely fooled!
Completely and utterly wrong: every predator drinks the bodily fluid of another species to survive, some species do this as their main or one of their only nutrient sources like (off the top of my head) mosquitos, bats, ticks, worms, spiders, leeches, ants, humming birds, aphids, many types of insects, etc, etc... Even if you wrote such a thing only humans do, humans actually are the only species to do a lot of things. I don't think the dairy industry ever said anything about this species claim either.cushman5279 wrote: »Obesity is because people are too lazy to educate themselves, too lazy to pick up a product and read a label and WAY to lazy to actually buy, bring home and prepare something. I mean why buy an actual head of broccoli when you can buy it in a bag loaded with cheese sauce and sodium.
"Obesity is because people are too lazy to educate themselves.." hum, I guess I'll just leave that one's popularity alone.
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JeepHair77 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »JeepHair77 wrote: »I also want to point out that the dairy industry propaganda implies people NEED dairy products to get necessary nutrients. Those of us who like dairy products aren't falling for the hype, we just find them tasty. <shrug>
Yep. I don't need dairy to get adequate protein, but it is a good source and I enjoy various dairy products.
Every industry tries to convince us that their products are essential or highly advantageous. That's called "marketing". I give you as example number one, the supplement industry. Not to mention the beauty industry, the beef/pork/chicken industries, the vegetable industry, etc.
But the dairy industry convinced the USDA that it deserved representation on the "food pyramid" on which most of us were raised, promoting, through government and medical sources, the belief that dairy, in significant serving numbers (3-7 servings per day), was an essential element of a nutritious diet.
That's not your average marketing scheme by your average retail product.
It was less a matter of "convincing" the USDA than it is that a big part of the mandate of the USDA is to promote the interests of American farmers, many of whom produce dairy. I am not at all surprised to see that the portion of the government charged with promoting the consumption of agricultural products would encourage the consumption of dairy.
(This isn't an attempt to score a point against dairy, it's neutral in my eyes. We just have to realize what the actual mission of the USDA is. We can't fault them for attempting to fulfill their mission).
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Good example of that is grains. Because guess what the US produces a lot of - and yet no one with any knowledge claims that grains and grain products are a necessary part of a nutritious diet. We don't need so much as a single serving, and yet there they sit as the base of the old pyramid.
I mean, I find the entire food pyramid suspect, and its history is kind of sordid. The dairy industry lobbied HARD for the position that they have, and I'm not aware of any other industry doing the same (maybe the egg people did? I admit that my memory of this is somewhat fuzzy. I ought to research this more, probably).
It's not so much sordid as it's seeing inside the sausage-making (never that pretty) and churning out a one-size-fits-all prescription, mixed in with the lobbying of the wheat, dairy and meat factions that are part of the USDA organization. A lot of it involves our national economic interests, and there are myriad good and bad aspects of that.
On my hard core gardening days, the food pyramid is perfect for me, because I am going to burn off all that bread* (this weekend I worked for hours on 3 snickerdoodles, a bell pepper, and a glass of milk); but I am racking up the kinds of calorie expenditure that was much more common for people back in the 1950s and 1960s--it's a recipe for disaster for the horrifically sedentary American (or Brit) of today. Also, genetically I am a carb and dairy processing machine, but people with other genetic backgrounds are going to struggle more with fitting in those 2-3 servings of dairy.
Interestingly, in the 1940s, butter was considered to be its own crucial food group--one of seven that you should have every day. Now THAT is some propaganda I can get behind!!
*Bread is also very economical--another crucial concern when your daily job involved things like burning 4,000 calories baling hay and such.3 -
French_Peasant wrote: »
Interestingly, in the 1940s, butter was considered to be its own crucial food group--one of seven that you should have every day. Now THAT is some propaganda I can get behind!!JeepHair77 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »JeepHair77 wrote: »I also want to point out that the dairy industry propaganda implies people NEED dairy products to get necessary nutrients. Those of us who like dairy products aren't falling for the hype, we just find them tasty. <shrug>
Yep. I don't need dairy to get adequate protein, but it is a good source and I enjoy various dairy products.
Every industry tries to convince us that their products are essential or highly advantageous. That's called "marketing". I give you as example number one, the supplement industry. Not to mention the beauty industry, the beef/pork/chicken industries, the vegetable industry, etc.
But the dairy industry convinced the USDA that it deserved representation on the "food pyramid" on which most of us were raised, promoting, through government and medical sources, the belief that dairy, in significant serving numbers (3-7 servings per day), was an essential element of a nutritious diet.
That's not your average marketing scheme by your average retail product.
It was less a matter of "convincing" the USDA than it is that a big part of the mandate of the USDA is to promote the interests of American farmers, many of whom produce dairy. I am not at all surprised to see that the portion of the government charged with promoting the consumption of agricultural products would encourage the consumption of dairy.
(This isn't an attempt to score a point against dairy, it's neutral in my eyes. We just have to realize what the actual mission of the USDA is. We can't fault them for attempting to fulfill their mission).
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Good example of that is grains. Because guess what the US produces a lot of - and yet no one with any knowledge claims that grains and grain products are a necessary part of a nutritious diet. We don't need so much as a single serving, and yet there they sit as the base of the old pyramid.
I mean, I find the entire food pyramid suspect, and its history is kind of sordid. The dairy industry lobbied HARD for the position that they have, and I'm not aware of any other industry doing the same (maybe the egg people did? I admit that my memory of this is somewhat fuzzy. I ought to research this more, probably).
Wait - it butter NOT a food group?! It's one that I have everyday 11
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