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jseams1234 wrote: »You can improve all your numbers by losing weight. That's a fact. But saying the quality of your food doesn't matter? Saying it's ok to eat foods laden with chemicals we cannot pronounce and are PROVEN to cause cancer and are even banned in other countries, doesn't matter? Dyes, preservatives, pesticides...they matter.
can you pronounce all the chemicals in a strawberry?
Just for reference... lol
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diannethegeek wrote: »History is chock full of formerly believed to be safe products. It took people standing up and saying something about it before it stopped.
If you think the food industry isn't putting things in your food that are harmful, you just keep believing that.
If we all stopped accepting it, it wouldn't be the norm and prices of less chemically treated and processed foods would come down. Companies would be forced to make better food.
But, well, who cares anyway. Accept the norm. Don't question things. It is the way it is. I like my chemically flavored and sweetend sodas. And if it fits in my calories, I'll eat it. Good for you. It's just not for me. It's unpopular. That's why I posted in this thread.
It's interesting to me because I see a lot of people trying to question things and you saying no, accept the norm that this is healthier because I say so. This is still the debate board, after all. If you don't want to debate the actual additives you're talking about it might be best not to bring them up.
Google suggests you mean Propylene glycol: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propylene_glycol
And the section on toxicity does not particuarly trouble me.2 -
It's pointless. It will inevitably be argued otherwise. After all, they've been approved for use in food. But I don't believe that necessarily means they are safe. I still have my concerns.
If you must know, some of the additives I try to avoid BHA or BHT, artificial sweeteners, food dyes like blue # 1 & 2, red # 3 - just to name a few -sodium nitrate, sulfur dioxide, sodium benzoate, potassium bromate, high fructose corn syrup, MSG, and of course trans fats. Pesticides, artificial hormones, antibiotics… And the list goes on.
If science saying they're safe is not enough for you to believe they're safe, how do you eat ANYTHING? After all, apples contain cyanide.5 -
Science has not shown that eating a plethora of foods laced with those additives for years upon years is safe, however. I'm not saying that eating foods like that occasionally or as a very small minority of the diet are a big issue.stevencloser wrote: »It's pointless. It will inevitably be argued otherwise. After all, they've been approved for use in food. But I don't believe that necessarily means they are safe. I still have my concerns.
If you must know, some of the additives I try to avoid BHA or BHT, artificial sweeteners, food dyes like blue # 1 & 2, red # 3 - just to name a few -sodium nitrate, sulfur dioxide, sodium benzoate, potassium bromate, high fructose corn syrup, MSG, and of course trans fats. Pesticides, artificial hormones, antibiotics… And the list goes on.
If science saying they're safe is not enough for you to believe they're safe, how do you eat ANYTHING? After all, apples contain cyanide.
Also, apples are naturally found in nature. You cannot say the same thing amount most of those other things listed like MSG, trans fats, and food dyes.
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ForecasterJason wrote: »
Science has not shown that eating a plethora of foods laced with those additives for years upon years is safe, however. I'm not saying that eating foods like that occasionally or as a very small minority of the diet are a big issue.stevencloser wrote: »It's pointless. It will inevitably be argued otherwise. After all, they've been approved for use in food. But I don't believe that necessarily means they are safe. I still have my concerns.
If you must know, some of the additives I try to avoid BHA or BHT, artificial sweeteners, food dyes like blue # 1 & 2, red # 3 - just to name a few -sodium nitrate, sulfur dioxide, sodium benzoate, potassium bromate, high fructose corn syrup, MSG, and of course trans fats. Pesticides, artificial hormones, antibiotics… And the list goes on.
If science saying they're safe is not enough for you to believe they're safe, how do you eat ANYTHING? After all, apples contain cyanide.
Also, apples are naturally found in nature. You cannot say the same thing amount most of those other things listed like MSG, trans fats, and food dyes.
Hemlock is found in nature and worse than any of the things you listed, so why is that always the argument? Man isn't some comic book supervillain that corrupts anything it touches when it was pure and innocent before.8 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »
Science has not shown that eating a plethora of foods laced with those additives for years upon years is safe, however. I'm not saying that eating foods like that occasionally or as a very small minority of the diet are a big issue.stevencloser wrote: »It's pointless. It will inevitably be argued otherwise. After all, they've been approved for use in food. But I don't believe that necessarily means they are safe. I still have my concerns.
If you must know, some of the additives I try to avoid BHA or BHT, artificial sweeteners, food dyes like blue # 1 & 2, red # 3 - just to name a few -sodium nitrate, sulfur dioxide, sodium benzoate, potassium bromate, high fructose corn syrup, MSG, and of course trans fats. Pesticides, artificial hormones, antibiotics… And the list goes on.
If science saying they're safe is not enough for you to believe they're safe, how do you eat ANYTHING? After all, apples contain cyanide.
Also, apples are naturally found in nature. You cannot say the same thing amount most of those other things listed like MSG, trans fats, and food dyes.
Pretty sure a lot of our trans fat consumption now comes from naturally occurring sources, considering many companies are making the effort to eliminate it...2 -
Do you have complete confidence that every chemical in your food Is safe for regular, repeated consumption? More power to ya. They said DDT was safe at one point. They said cigarettes were good for your health. They said BPA was safe. No one is saying if it's natural it's automatically safe, as in Hemlock. But you seem to be saying that chemicals are to be unquestionably trusted?5
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Do you have complete confidence that every chemical in your food Is safe for regular, repeated consumption? More power to ya. They said DDT was safe at one point. They said cigarettes were good for your health. They said BPA was safe. No one is saying if it's natural it's automatically safe, as in Hemlock. But you seem to be saying that chemicals are to be unquestionably trusted?
Science is there for doing the questioning, not aunt Jane googling blogs using scary words of which she doesn't understand half of.
And again, chemicals in foods humans never touched. How can you be sure we don't find out something in apples actually cuts our life expectancy by a few years in the future? You can't so better not touch them.7 -
SiegfriedXXL wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »The link between sodium nitrites and cancer
CTCA
May 31, 2013
A study by the Cancer Research Center of Hawaii and the University of Southern California suggests a link between eating processed meats and cancer risk. The study followed 190,000 people, ages 45-75, for seven years and found that people who ate the most processed meats had a 67% higher risk of pancreatic cancer than those who ate the least amount.
Did you know that celery, cabbage, beets, carrots, radishes, and spinach are all naturally high in sodium nitrate? I found a University of Minnesota study when I googled to check my recollection of this that stated that the average person consumes 90% of their intake of nitrite from vegetables and 10% from processed meats.
Welp, I'm dead. I eat cabbage and carrots just about every day.
I keep telling people to avoid those vitamin/mineral contaminated vegetables, but does anyone listen? How many children do we have to lose before broccoli is banned once and for all?!
Broccoli banned? You can pry my broccoli from my cold, dead, nitrate-inundated hands! And don't even think of going for the radishes.
Please take all the radishes they are a scourge to society2 -
@stevencloser: I think you just lost all credibility in a serious debate, attacking my intelligence, of which you know nothing about.
I took the high road and apologized if anyone misunderstood me to be saying "natural" was always better and explained my way of eating is mine alone, not a judgement on others.
Yet you stand in judgement - not of my words or of my actual statements, but of what you perceive me to be. I'm sorry you felt the need to go there. I will continue to question the safety of many government approved ipolocoes - in my food and beyond - because it is in my nature to question things, particularly those with little large scale, long term study. And those with chemical lobbyists and money on their side get extra attention. Not all chemicals are bad. Some improve lives, some save them. Some kill - silently - until we figure it out.
I live a moderate life, not as black and white as you may have deemed. But discussion is moot. You have crossed the line into personal insults and I no longer wish to engage with you. Continue to believe blindly, and I will continue to question - after all, where would science be if we accepted all that was told to us as mere fact?9 -
ForecasterJason wrote: »
Science has not shown that eating a plethora of foods laced with those additives for years upon years is safe, however. I'm not saying that eating foods like that occasionally or as a very small minority of the diet are a big issue.stevencloser wrote: »It's pointless. It will inevitably be argued otherwise. After all, they've been approved for use in food. But I don't believe that necessarily means they are safe. I still have my concerns.
If you must know, some of the additives I try to avoid BHA or BHT, artificial sweeteners, food dyes like blue # 1 & 2, red # 3 - just to name a few -sodium nitrate, sulfur dioxide, sodium benzoate, potassium bromate, high fructose corn syrup, MSG, and of course trans fats. Pesticides, artificial hormones, antibiotics… And the list goes on.
If science saying they're safe is not enough for you to believe they're safe, how do you eat ANYTHING? After all, apples contain cyanide.
Also, apples are naturally found in nature. You cannot say the same thing amount most of those other things listed like MSG, trans fats, and food dyes.
Re: the bolded. Science has studied all substances approved for food and has failed to find that they DO cause any problems. The closest things have been studies on rats or other small mammals, and the doses have been much much higher than even regular/frequent eating of many foods with them would provide to us. You'd have to work to get that kind of dosage.
The thing is, you can't prove the null hypothesis (that there is no effect). You just can't. That's the nature of the beast working with the scientific method. You can only try to prove the alternate - that there is - and then show that there is not substantial proof. Which, again, leads to the question of how do you eat ANYTHING (or take any medications, or use any fibers for covering your skin, or ...)
Oh, and I'm pretty sure that MSG does occur in nature. Celery, if I'm recalling correctly.
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Do you have complete confidence that every chemical in your food Is safe for regular, repeated consumption? More power to ya. They said DDT was safe at one point. They said cigarettes were good for your health. They said BPA was safe. No one is saying if it's natural it's automatically safe, as in Hemlock. But you seem to be saying that chemicals are to be unquestionably trusted?
"They" may have said that cigarettes were good for your health, but science never did. Every study on smoking showed that it is detrimental. There were none that showed cigarettes were good.7 -
Define "science". If you mean company paid studies that not surprisingly support their initial goal, I question their veracity.4
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Define "science". If you mean company paid studies that not surprisingly support their initial goal, I question their veracity.
Yet fear mongering blog sites the kind that suggest that the same chemicals are in antifreeze and our foods are totally reliable.
Peer reviewed scientific journals are what you should be looking for. Not sites that have clickbait headlines and utilize logical fallacies to make their points.
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Studies by truly independent parties are hard to find, except on older ingredients. Self-study does not qualify in my opinion. Yet, it does for the FDA.
I don't read food "blogs".4 -
Do you have complete confidence that every chemical in your food Is safe for regular, repeated consumption? More power to ya. They said DDT was safe at one point. They said cigarettes were good for your health. They said BPA was safe. No one is saying if it's natural it's automatically safe, as in Hemlock. But you seem to be saying that chemicals are to be unquestionably trusted?
DDT was safe... and is safe, and would have eliminated Malaria worldwide if not for ill informed hippies.
To be perfectly clear, I'm talking about Joni Mitchell notorious for Big Yellow Taxi and her ilk who today are promoting world hunger by opposing GMOs.
Ultimately, those who suffer for the ignorant self righteousness of First world hippies are those living on the edge of survival in the so called third world.11 -
Monosodium glutamate is a naturally occurring substance- it's a salt of the (non-essential) amino acid glutamic acid. It's found in, well, food that tastes nice, to be blunt about it.
These foods include potatoes, peas, yeast extract, hydrolyzed vegetable protein, soy extracts, tomatoes and tomato juice, mushrooms, grapes, grape juice and other fruit juices, Parmesan cheese and Rocquefort cheese.*
*List of sources collated from
1) http://www.livestrong.com/article/317694-a-list-of-foods-with-msg/ and
2) https://www.fda.gov/food/ingredientspackaginglabeling/foodadditivesingredients/ucm328728.htm
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Studies by truly independent parties are hard to find, except on older ingredients. Self-study does not qualify in my opinion. Yet, it does for the FDA.
I don't read food "blogs".
What winogelato says. You don't trust studies but you trust wherever the hell you got the "it's in antifreeze!" argument from. You never had any credibility on this.8 -
Do you have complete confidence that every chemical in your food Is safe for regular, repeated consumption? More power to ya. They said DDT was safe at one point. They said cigarettes were good for your health. They said BPA was safe. No one is saying if it's natural it's automatically safe, as in Hemlock. But you seem to be saying that chemicals are to be unquestionably trusted?
This comment suggests to me that you either don't know what a chemical is or that you are using it in an atypical, difficult to understand manner.
Do I have complete confidence that everything in my food is safe at ANY level of exposure? No, many things (including the cyanide in apples, the Vit A in liver) would be problematic at sufficient amounts (same with water).
There's also mercury in fish, and I eat a lot of fish (less of the kinds likely to have lots of mercury, but still). There are disputes about sat fat, and I eat some sat fat. Some raise issues about the effects of smoking fish or curing pork, of course (the bacon I get is from a farm and cured in a traditional manner), or about the benefits vs. harms of sodium. You could drive yourself crazy.
None of this is about the food industry, particularly, or natural vs. not. You don't seem to recognize this.
I don't eat much in the way of pre-packaged foods with lots of ingredients, so it seems a pointless thing for me to worry about, but many of the things in those seem to me to be more obviously harmless than what's naturally in plenty of foods (or added through processes that we've been doing for hundreds of years or more).5 -
@stevencloser: I think you just lost all credibility in a serious debate,
As someone who has read all the posts in this thread, I disagree with this statement. @stevencloser has not lost any credibility here, and has built up a lot of credibility on these forums.
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