Unwarranted Advice
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In real life, I give off a vibe of "Don't tell me WTF to eat or do". So I don't get a lot of unwanted advice.
However, for many years at previous jobs I listened and watched out of the corner of my eye while women passed all of this back and forth to each other in a passive aggressive and/or rude way. It was one of the reasons I just stayed totally away from ANY nutrition or dieting conversation!
My mom though - that's a little different story.
She thinks my pescetarian husband (strong, healthy, super athletic, 6'2", 220 lb) is "pale and sickly" because he needs beef, pork, and chicken to thrive. He's pale because he's a redhead of Scottish descent. He's been eating this way for 14+ years and gets plenty of protein and everything else he needs in his diet, but she side eyes anything he eats and tries to heap a bunch of extra food on his plate even though he eats large portions to begin with.
She believes that certain foods can magically cause you to gain or lose weight. She will never eat more than 1/2 of a banana at one sitting for this reason. She insists on eating 1/2 grapefruit every day even when her doctor advised her not to (because of medication interactions)!
I've lost 130 lb and now am in a healthy weight range. She wants to lose some weight and will occasionally ask me, "When you were losing didn't you eat a lot of black beans?" it's like she thinks I was on some weight loss train that consisted of magical ingredients and that if I kept eating that stuff, I would just continue to lose weight at a rapid pace forever... Maintenance isn't something she understands. Nor is CICO.29 -
^ It's amazing to me how many people who repeatedly fail at weight loss/maintenance truly believe they know better than those who have succeeded. Mind-boggling.
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Yep.celiah wrote:Was also told once that once you have extra fat cells even if you lose the fat the cells are still there waiting to blow up again?
As you gain weight, your body not only stuffs more fat into the existing cells, but also creates more fat cells.
As you lose weight, the cells deflate, but don't die at a higher rate than normal.
The even worse thing is that the hormones which tell the body its energy tanks (fat cells) are full become LESS as the cells become smaller & more sensitive to insulin (which helps fat cells store fat).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3174765/
Maclean P, Bergouignan A, Cornier M-A, Jackman M (2011) Biology's response to dieting: the impetus for weight regain. American journal of physiology. Regulatory, integrative and comparative physiology 301: 581–600
"Energy-restricted weight loss in the obese reduces cell size, not number."
"Total capacity of the tissue to store fat remains the same, but stored energy falls well below capacity."
"smaller adipocytes, compared with larger adipocytes, are more sensitive to the antilipolytic effects of insulin, exhibit a lower basal and catecholamine-induced lipolysis, have a lower rate of turnover of the stored lipid, and express genes favoring energy storage. Reducing the size of adipocytes with energy-restricted weight loss primes them to take up and store excess energy when overfeeding occurs."*
* Translation:
Smaller fat cells are more sensitive to insulin (which protects against breakdown of fat cells), have a lower rate of breakdown, a lower rate of churn in the stored fat (income/outgo), and their genes want them to store fat.
Losing weight leaves fat cells in a state where they're 'eager' to regain fat.
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mail2dijaw wrote: »I was told MFP is rubbish and doesnt work!! but I know it does
I had something similar - a lady I was helping kept trying to push food on me, so in the end I told her I had my calorie-counted lunch and snack with me and didn't want anything extra. She looked sorry for me and said, "No one who counts calories EVER loses weight!"
I told her my (then) 40lb loss said otherwise! She looked shocked, and a couple of hours later asked me how I did it...
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I had lost about 50 lbs at this point when a coworker saw me eating a bag of chips. Of course I had them figured into my calories for the day. He looked at me and said, "That's not a good choice". I just shoved a handful of chips in my face and walked away.
A couple of months ago a coworker was telling me about a video he watched on Netflix and as a result he became vegan and he tried to tell me how great it was and how veggies have more protein than meat (is that even possible???). He really tried to persuade me to watch the video because it would change my life. I saw him a couple of weeks ago and he's back eating meat again. This is the same guy who told me that studies show that your water will be better for you if you talk to it.34 -
For me the main thing has been when someone asks if I've lost weight, and I say how I am eating less and lifting weights, they tell me "Well you still need to exercise"
WTF do people think weight lifting is?!
I swear, literally everyone apparently thinks that unless you're running / doing pure cardio, you can't lose weight! It's INSANITY.15 -
mail2dijaw wrote: »I was told MFP is rubbish and doesnt work!! but I know it does
I had something similar - a lady I was helping kept trying to push food on me, so in the end I told her I had my calorie-counted lunch and snack with me and didn't want anything extra. She looked sorry for me and said, "No one who counts calories EVER loses weight!"
I told her my (then) 40lb loss said otherwise! She looked shocked, and a couple of hours later asked me how I did it...
I feel like 95% of the people who ask me how I lost weight just *do not* believe me when I say CICO using MFP. The other 5% will try it for 2 weeks and then tell me it didn't work for them. Also, these people are usually not even overweight so they're trying to lose 10 lb and they don't get why it didn't drop off in that first 5 days of logging their food. One or two people who did have weight to lose, started using it, saw results, and stopped after a month or two. That is fine, it's their life, but I just find that most people in my everyday life seem to think it's totally strange and/or difficult to use MFP. Which boggles my mind.
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People (all men) repeatedly telling me i need to eat alot of meat to build muscle and overall acting like i dont know how my body works, After losing 105 pounds im pretty sure i know how to get my body how id like, Thank you muchly broscience boys28
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I had lost about 50 lbs at this point when a coworker saw me eating a bag of chips. Of course I had them figured into my calories for the day. He looked at me and said, "That's not a good choice". I just shoved a handful of chips in my face and walked away.
A couple of months ago a coworker was telling me about a video he watched on Netflix and as a result he became vegan and he tried to tell me how great it was and how veggies have more protein than meat (is that even possible???). He really tried to persuade me to watch the video because it would change my life. I saw him a couple of weeks ago and he's back eating meat again. This is the same guy who told me that studies show that your water will be better for you if you talk to it.
I'm no doctor or psychiatrist. But it appears this male suffers from a mental health issue.
Talk to your water ??? Unbelievable4 -
I hate when I complete my diary for the day on here and MFP tells me I'll weigh ____ lbs in 5 weeks.
Like, you don't even know me ... don't get my hopes up
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FatAFNoMore wrote: »I'll regret this but....what is blended fruit. I'm not interested in buying into hype, I just don't understand (eg is it literally blended to a puree)? I'm a CICO person through and through. If you want to intermittent fast or do low/no carb or whatever, I don't care. Just don't assume what works for your body and lifestyle is THE way to do it instead of A way to do it.
Literally fruit, and only fruit, in a blender. A fruit smoothie with no additional ingredients. A whole bunch of berries, a little kiwi, some tart cherries ... YUM! The fruit was frozen and I made it into a kind of sorbet.8 -
DetectiveCookieMonster wrote: »I had lost about 50 lbs at this point when a coworker saw me eating a bag of chips. Of course I had them figured into my calories for the day. He looked at me and said, "That's not a good choice". I just shoved a handful of chips in my face and walked away.
A couple of months ago a coworker was telling me about a video he watched on Netflix and as a result he became vegan and he tried to tell me how great it was and how veggies have more protein than meat (is that even possible???). He really tried to persuade me to watch the video because it would change my life. I saw him a couple of weeks ago and he's back eating meat again. This is the same guy who told me that studies show that your water will be better for you if you talk to it.
I'm no doctor or psychiatrist. But it appears this male suffers from a mental health issue.
Talk to your water ??? Unbelievable
Lol... he's not mental, I think he just reads way too much and reads way too much into what he reads.4 -
"Eat lots of bread while dieting, it will help your skin be more elastic so you won't end up all saggy."
That one definitely takes the cake, so to speak. The other one that makes me really twitchy is I always hear how great beans are for you. They're right, they are. I also happen to absolutely hate them. I can't tell you how many times I've heard that I won't be healthy, lose weight, have enough protein, etc. without them.
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newheavensearth wrote: »FatAFNoMore wrote: »I'll regret this but....what is blended fruit. I'm not interested in buying into hype, I just don't understand (eg is it literally blended to a puree)? I'm a CICO person through and through. If you want to intermittent fast or do low/no carb or whatever, I don't care. Just don't assume what works for your body and lifestyle is THE way to do it instead of A way to do it.
Pureed fruit or fruit blended into a smoothie. Funny part is I use their recipes. Raw or cooked
fruit and veggies have no points. Veggies and fruit in a smoothie have points. But a pureed all vegetable soup has none. Ha.
Ummm, wow, people really think this? I'd love to have a huge bowl of corn or unlimited carrots and peas. I love those super starchy veggies. Who knew I could assume they have no calories. SMH. This picture is not directed at you, it is directed at whomever came up with that nonsense (and the desperate people that believe it).
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explodingmango wrote: »My ex-roommate was absolutely clueless about nutrition but acted like he knew everything.
He'd insist that cheese was a great source of protein, completely unaware of the amount of fat it contains. He also believed that, because potatoes and milk together do contain all the nutrients the human body needs in some amount, 2.5 medium russet potatoes drowned in butter was a healthy meal. These were the kinds of "simple tips" he'd give me to "help me keep my diet balanced".
And he wondered why I was losing weight while he was gaining.
Also, once he realized I had an eating disorder, his advice pretty much boiled down to "well just stop having that!"
Cheese isn't a bad source of protein, though not the greatest, and some fat isn't bad. But if you read labels you can find all sorts of fat/protein contents in different cheeses. It's a great source of calcium too.
I get a lot of my protein from dairy, like cheese.12 -
smelliefeet wrote: »I swear, literally everyone apparently thinks that unless you're running / doing pure cardio, you can't lose weight! It's INSANITY.
So much THIS! When people find out I run marathons and do triathlons, they automatically say "oh, THAT'S how you lost all the weight!" No, that's only a fraction of the process. You don't need to do any exercise to lose weight.
Personally, I just happen to enjoy food and with a BMR of 1360, I got into cardio so I can eat more. But it's amazing how many people associate the cardio with weight loss and don't think about how I drastically changed my eating habits.
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FatAFNoMore wrote: »newheavensearth wrote: »FatAFNoMore wrote: »I'll regret this but....what is blended fruit. I'm not interested in buying into hype, I just don't understand (eg is it literally blended to a puree)? I'm a CICO person through and through. If you want to intermittent fast or do low/no carb or whatever, I don't care. Just don't assume what works for your body and lifestyle is THE way to do it instead of A way to do it.
Pureed fruit or fruit blended into a smoothie. Funny part is I use their recipes. Raw or cooked
fruit and veggies have no points. Veggies and fruit in a smoothie have points. But a pureed all vegetable soup has none. Ha.
Ummm, wow, people really think this? I'd love to have a huge bowl of corn or unlimited carrots and peas. I love those super starchy veggies. Who knew I could assume they have no calories. SMH. This picture is not directed at you, it is directed at whomever came up with that nonsense (and the desperate people that believe it).
The last time I did WW was about 5 years ago, but starchy vegetables and avocados were not zero points. Carrots and onions were zero points raw but acquired points when cooked.0 -
JaydedMiss wrote: »People (all men) repeatedly telling me i need to eat alot of meat to build muscle and overall acting like i dont know how my body works, After losing 105 pounds im pretty sure i know how to get my body how id like, Thank you muchly broscience boys
It's when I stopped listening to broscience that I finally started losing weight.5 -
estherdragonbat wrote: »FatAFNoMore wrote: »newheavensearth wrote: »FatAFNoMore wrote: »I'll regret this but....what is blended fruit. I'm not interested in buying into hype, I just don't understand (eg is it literally blended to a puree)? I'm a CICO person through and through. If you want to intermittent fast or do low/no carb or whatever, I don't care. Just don't assume what works for your body and lifestyle is THE way to do it instead of A way to do it.
Pureed fruit or fruit blended into a smoothie. Funny part is I use their recipes. Raw or cooked
fruit and veggies have no points. Veggies and fruit in a smoothie have points. But a pureed all vegetable soup has none. Ha.
Ummm, wow, people really think this? I'd love to have a huge bowl of corn or unlimited carrots and peas. I love those super starchy veggies. Who knew I could assume they have no calories. SMH. This picture is not directed at you, it is directed at whomever came up with that nonsense (and the desperate people that believe it).
The last time I did WW was about 5 years ago, but starchy vegetables and avocados were not zero points. Carrots and onions were zero points raw but acquired points when cooked.
Thanks for clarifying. But everything is still not a zero calorie free for all regardless of preparation.
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It's hard to blame WW for selling people things they are eager to believe.....then changing it every so often to resell it. If their clients lost weight and kept it off they'd have been extinct long ago. It's the people's expectation that you can have it all without consequences that has to change. I did WW a very very long time ago and I did fine on it but it was awful. People in meetings talking about how to measure this or that, basically how to game the point system to eat more. Ummm, no. Plus converting from calories to points seemed to be very odd to me, plus the idea of banking points. It was way too much effort for something that is simple (if you're CICO oriented). On a positive, it did teach me to be more aware of my fiber intake and for that I'm glad.4
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Oh god, I don't even know where to start. Nearly all of these are from coworkers, first two from a friend from a long, long, long time ago.
1 - If you eat anything in the morning before you work out, you'll only gain weight, eating sends a signal to your body to only burn the food you ate and it won't burn fat. Insert my eye roll here.
2 - If you eat within an hour of working out, you'll blow up just like a sumo wrestler. That's what they do to gain weight (from the same person as #1. Pretty much you needed to fast all morning if you were working out, according to him).
3 - Honey is good for you, replace all sugar with that, you'll be fine. (Um....it's still sugar, has calories)
4 - Diet soda will make me gain weight
5 - Carbonated water will make me gain weight (Thank you click bait articles for creating that one. Explaining the bubbles don't have calories in the plain water I'm carbonating at home, that I'm aware of the study that it raises ghrelin levels, and since I know this I don't let it fool me, and also explaining that somehow, despite that, clearly the clickbait headline is right and plain carbonated water is just as bad as full octane Pepsi)
6 - You should really try the cabbage soup diet, it works great!! (ugh, no, just no)
7 - Atkins, Atkins, Atkins!! Go on Atkins, eat all the bacon and butter you want, you'll lose lots of weight and feel great!
8 - 1200 calories is the most you should ever eat on a diet as a woman.
9 - I should be drinking chocolate milk as a work out recovery drink
Honorable mention from clueless coworker - she saw I was eating a rice bowl with avocado cubed up on top, said I must be on a diet. I was confused and she explained how avocados were excellent diet food, very good for you and low calorie. I had to explain to her how calorie dense avocados were, though full of other good stuff, were not low calorie and no, eating *lots* of avocado will not help with that at all.
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I don't talk about dieting really so don't get advice.
A few comments/attitude though related to food.
When eating just 1 taco- " what are you on a diet?" in a sneering tone.
When asked by my host before a holiday dinner if I was allergic to any food and admitted I was allergic to one thing but it wasn't a big deal to avoid eating it. "OMG I can't believe it! We have to alter our main dish at the last minute so you can eat it. Hey everyone! Lounmoun is mildly allergic to a topping ingredient so we had to make it this way for everyone instead of our traditional way of preparing it. We could have just left the topping off of a portion, let her pick it off or let her just eat other foods but it seemed better to make a huge deal about it. I hope she is happy now that she ruined our meal." Unwarranted attitude and actions.
After politely refusing candy multiple times shouting and throwing candy across the room from the candy pusher ensued. Seemed over the top.
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When I read this, I just think it's sad how uneducated our friends, family, and coworkers are about nutrition. There is so much misinformation and sadly so many people who profit from proliferating it.
My suggestion would be not to blow off people or sneer at how dumb they are but take the opportunity to educate them in a sincere and open way, especially the people you love. I find the first step is always to acknowledge their concern for you and how they may have come to the conclusion they did (however wrong). Then provide them the facts in an unemotional way and tell them where they can find more information on the topic. I know that some people are plainly set in their belief system and it's not worth the argument but i know that I've personally helped a lot of people understand what they were dealing with out there in the real world.12 -
Wendyanneroberts wrote: »Banannas don't contain any other nutritional benefits. Eating banannas, even the odd one here or there, will prevent any weight loss"
Lol! I had a peanut butter & banana wrap every day for lunch last week & daily weights steadily dropped until my seemingly weekly Monday morning re-bound!
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heatherrt06 wrote: »Wendyanneroberts wrote: »Banannas don't contain any other nutritional benefits. Eating banannas, even the odd one here or there, will prevent any weight loss"
Lol! I had a peanut butter & banana wrap every day for lunch last week & daily weights steadily dropped until my seemingly weekly Monday morning re-bound!
Me tooo
Every night as my "snack" to curb those sweets cravings. I love BANANAS.
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That I didn't want to weigh and log because I wasn't ready to commit to weight loss.3
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Chocolate milk IS a good workout recovery drink.
https://www.fitnessmagazine.com/recipes/healthy-eating/superfoods/chocolate-milk-after-workout/10 -
Pretty much anything anybody says in real life, when I mention that I follow a diet and lift. About 95% of people don't have a clue as to what they're talking about!
So much this. In fact most people on this forum do the same. You say you are following a diet and lifting weights and their head explodes with bro-science. "You cant cut and bulk at the same time bro, just can't do it". - MFP bro-science team.11 -
I don't think I have actually received advice IRL, from anyone, about weight loss. Usually it's other people asking me for advice, LOL. Of course I read lots of things on this forum and elsewhere online, that are complete nonsense. I will say that it IS great that the MFP and others too, in the last few years, have mostly stopped touting the starvation mode crap. I was happy to see that one go. 3
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