Why Aspartame Isn't Scary
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GaleHawkins wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »alicebhsia wrote: »too much phenylalanine causes headaches. that can't be good for you. now there's a study (pertaining to many sugar substitutes not just aspartame but including it) that link sugar substitute consumption to stroke and dementia. not saying the sugar consumers fared much better, but to say aspartame is perfectly safe? it's too bad diet sodas use these chemicals in their product. if they just made less sugary drinks then i would buy them more often. i don't want to give myself brain damage or a brain tumor from drinking soda laced with chemicals and regular soda is too sweet. at least with the sugar if i'm getting similar damage it tastes good. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/diet-sodas-raise-risk-dementia-stroke-study-finds-n749051
i need to get off my butt and use my soda stream to lessen the sugar in my soda by mixing plain carbonated water in.
100 grams of chicken breast has ~20 cans of soda's worth of phenylalanine...
Nevermind, Aaron did it first and better.
Keep in mind what is in the 20 cans of soda does not help prevent a premature death but what is in the 100 grams of chicken breast does.
Pretty sure If all I had was diet soda and chicken breasts, I'd die earlier only eating the chicken than only drinking the soda.7 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »alicebhsia wrote: »too much phenylalanine causes headaches. that can't be good for you. now there's a study (pertaining to many sugar substitutes not just aspartame but including it) that link sugar substitute consumption to stroke and dementia. not saying the sugar consumers fared much better, but to say aspartame is perfectly safe? it's too bad diet sodas use these chemicals in their product. if they just made less sugary drinks then i would buy them more often. i don't want to give myself brain damage or a brain tumor from drinking soda laced with chemicals and regular soda is too sweet. at least with the sugar if i'm getting similar damage it tastes good. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/diet-sodas-raise-risk-dementia-stroke-study-finds-n749051
i need to get off my butt and use my soda stream to lessen the sugar in my soda by mixing plain carbonated water in.
100 grams of chicken breast has ~20 cans of soda's worth of phenylalanine...
Nevermind, Aaron did it first and better.
Keep in mind what is in the 20 cans of soda does not help prevent a premature death but what is in the 100 grams of chicken breast does.
I'm having chicken breast for lunch with a Coke Zero Sugar. Maybe I should wash my chicken down with more chicken instead of the fluids.
When I'm at the gym later today, maybe instead of hitting the water fountain in between sets I should take a bite of chicken. I mean, if chicken is a logical replacement for fluids...10 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »alicebhsia wrote: »too much phenylalanine causes headaches. that can't be good for you. now there's a study (pertaining to many sugar substitutes not just aspartame but including it) that link sugar substitute consumption to stroke and dementia. not saying the sugar consumers fared much better, but to say aspartame is perfectly safe? it's too bad diet sodas use these chemicals in their product. if they just made less sugary drinks then i would buy them more often. i don't want to give myself brain damage or a brain tumor from drinking soda laced with chemicals and regular soda is too sweet. at least with the sugar if i'm getting similar damage it tastes good. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/diet-sodas-raise-risk-dementia-stroke-study-finds-n749051
i need to get off my butt and use my soda stream to lessen the sugar in my soda by mixing plain carbonated water in.
100 grams of chicken breast has ~20 cans of soda's worth of phenylalanine...
Nevermind, Aaron did it first and better.
Keep in mind what is in the 20 cans of soda does not help prevent a premature death but what is in the 100 grams of chicken breast does.
Also, please show me research that indicates that anything in chicken prevents premature death.
And I'm pretty sure water (compromises 99% of diet soda) prevents premature death due to dehydration...8 -
stevencloser wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »alicebhsia wrote: »too much phenylalanine causes headaches. that can't be good for you. now there's a study (pertaining to many sugar substitutes not just aspartame but including it) that link sugar substitute consumption to stroke and dementia. not saying the sugar consumers fared much better, but to say aspartame is perfectly safe? it's too bad diet sodas use these chemicals in their product. if they just made less sugary drinks then i would buy them more often. i don't want to give myself brain damage or a brain tumor from drinking soda laced with chemicals and regular soda is too sweet. at least with the sugar if i'm getting similar damage it tastes good. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/diet-sodas-raise-risk-dementia-stroke-study-finds-n749051
i need to get off my butt and use my soda stream to lessen the sugar in my soda by mixing plain carbonated water in.
100 grams of chicken breast has ~20 cans of soda's worth of phenylalanine...
Nevermind, Aaron did it first and better.
Keep in mind what is in the 20 cans of soda does not help prevent a premature death but what is in the 100 grams of chicken breast does.
Pretty sure If all I had was diet soda and chicken breasts, I'd die earlier only eating the chicken than only drinking the soda.
And you'd live longer consuming both than with only one or the other.2 -
stevencloser wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »alicebhsia wrote: »too much phenylalanine causes headaches. that can't be good for you. now there's a study (pertaining to many sugar substitutes not just aspartame but including it) that link sugar substitute consumption to stroke and dementia. not saying the sugar consumers fared much better, but to say aspartame is perfectly safe? it's too bad diet sodas use these chemicals in their product. if they just made less sugary drinks then i would buy them more often. i don't want to give myself brain damage or a brain tumor from drinking soda laced with chemicals and regular soda is too sweet. at least with the sugar if i'm getting similar damage it tastes good. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/diet-sodas-raise-risk-dementia-stroke-study-finds-n749051
i need to get off my butt and use my soda stream to lessen the sugar in my soda by mixing plain carbonated water in.
100 grams of chicken breast has ~20 cans of soda's worth of phenylalanine...
Nevermind, Aaron did it first and better.
Keep in mind what is in the 20 cans of soda does not help prevent a premature death but what is in the 100 grams of chicken breast does.
Pretty sure If all I had was diet soda and chicken breasts, I'd die earlier only eating the chicken than only drinking the soda.Carlos_421 wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »alicebhsia wrote: »too much phenylalanine causes headaches. that can't be good for you. now there's a study (pertaining to many sugar substitutes not just aspartame but including it) that link sugar substitute consumption to stroke and dementia. not saying the sugar consumers fared much better, but to say aspartame is perfectly safe? it's too bad diet sodas use these chemicals in their product. if they just made less sugary drinks then i would buy them more often. i don't want to give myself brain damage or a brain tumor from drinking soda laced with chemicals and regular soda is too sweet. at least with the sugar if i'm getting similar damage it tastes good. https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-care/diet-sodas-raise-risk-dementia-stroke-study-finds-n749051
i need to get off my butt and use my soda stream to lessen the sugar in my soda by mixing plain carbonated water in.
100 grams of chicken breast has ~20 cans of soda's worth of phenylalanine...
Nevermind, Aaron did it first and better.
Keep in mind what is in the 20 cans of soda does not help prevent a premature death but what is in the 100 grams of chicken breast does.
Also, please show me research that indicates that anything in chicken prevents premature death.
And I'm pretty sure water (compromises 99% of diet soda) prevents premature death due to dehydration...
Beat me to it.2 -
Lawyers seem to find Aspartame good for business.
nypost.com/2017/10/18/these-diet-sodas-are-actually-making-people-fat-suit/
"The companies’ diet drinks contain aspertame, a sugar substitute, which some recent studies have shown can cause cardiovascular disease and diabetes, as well as lead to weight gain, the suits claim."
"“Our case is focused on aspertame, but all artificial sweetners” behave the same in your body, said Derek Smith, whose eponymous law firm is lead counsel in all three soda cases."15 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Lawyers seem to find Aspartame good for business.
nypost.com/2017/10/18/these-diet-sodas-are-actually-making-people-fat-suit/
"The companies’ diet drinks contain aspertame, a sugar substitute, which some recent studies have shown can cause cardiovascular disease and diabetes, as well as lead to weight gain, the suits claim."
"“Our case is focused on aspertame, but all artificial sweetners” behave the same in your body, said Derek Smith, whose eponymous law firm is lead counsel in all three soda cases."
Lawyers sue over all kinds of ridiculous stuff. If you avoided everything associated with lawsuits, you'd have a very constrained life.8 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Lawyers seem to find Aspartame good for business.
nypost.com/2017/10/18/these-diet-sodas-are-actually-making-people-fat-suit/
"The companies’ diet drinks contain aspertame, a sugar substitute, which some recent studies have shown can cause cardiovascular disease and diabetes, as well as lead to weight gain, the suits claim."
"“Our case is focused on aspertame, but all artificial sweetners” behave the same in your body, said Derek Smith, whose eponymous law firm is lead counsel in all three soda cases."
As soon as they find proof, I'm sure their case will win them bajillions.6 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Lawyers seem to find Aspartame good for business.
nypost.com/2017/10/18/these-diet-sodas-are-actually-making-people-fat-suit/
"The companies’ diet drinks contain aspertame, a sugar substitute, which some recent studies have shown can cause cardiovascular disease and diabetes, as well as lead to weight gain, the suits claim."
"“Our case is focused on aspertame, but all artificial sweetners” behave the same in your body, said Derek Smith, whose eponymous law firm is lead counsel in all three soda cases."
Well if a legal case is involved, it must be legit!
This isn't even grasping at straws.5 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Lawyers seem to find Aspartame good for business.
nypost.com/2017/10/18/these-diet-sodas-are-actually-making-people-fat-suit/
"The companies’ diet drinks contain aspertame, a sugar substitute, which some recent studies have shown can cause cardiovascular disease and diabetes, as well as lead to weight gain, the suits claim."
"“Our case is focused on aspertame, but all artificial sweetners” behave the same in your body, said Derek Smith, whose eponymous law firm is lead counsel in all three soda cases."
this belongs in the "why lawyers are scary" thread, not the "why aspartame isn't scary" one.10 -
well personally i am sensitive to phenylalanine. lucky i am a vegetarian. my mom has been guzzling diet coke and diet iced tea lately. just yesterday she was showing signs of senility. it would be terrible if aspartame was the cause and my mom becomes demented. of course it could just be a coincidence, but we should be careful what we put i our bodies. a trace of poison can kill you. better safe than sorry and all of that.21
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alicebhsia wrote: »well personally i am sensitive to phenylalanine. lucky i am a vegetarian. my mom has been guzzling diet coke and diet iced tea lately. just yesterday she was showing signs of senility. it would be terrible if aspartame was the cause and my mom becomes demented. of course it could just be a coincidence, but we should be careful what we put i our bodies. a trace of poison can kill you. better safe than sorry and all of that.
You do realize that plants contain proteins right? Again having higher concentrations and amounts of phenylalanine than that contained in diet sodas. You cannot survive without ingesting protein. Phenylalanine is an essential amino acid, you cannot survive without it in your diet. The RDA for phenylalanine in ones diet is 33 mg/kg per day (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenylalanine see dietary recommendations section).
There is about 70 mg of phenylalanine in a can of diet soda. If you hit your RDA for phenylalanine and you weigh something like 65 kg it would be the equivalent of drinking 30 cans of diet soda.
Diet soda is not a significant source of phenylalanine. The amount contained in a can of soda is probably the equivalent of that contained in a couple of beans. It is hard to conceive of any substantive meal that would not contain considerably more phenyalanine than that found in a can of diet coke. Keep in mind that aspartame is a dipeptide, it is basically protein, and there is less that one calorie of it in a can of diet soda.11 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Lawyers seem to find Aspartame good for business.
nypost.com/2017/10/18/these-diet-sodas-are-actually-making-people-fat-suit/
"The companies’ diet drinks contain aspertame, a sugar substitute, which some recent studies have shown can cause cardiovascular disease and diabetes, as well as lead to weight gain, the suits claim."
"“Our case is focused on aspertame, but all artificial sweetners” behave the same in your body, said Derek Smith, whose eponymous law firm is lead counsel in all three soda cases."
You have a history of quoting some highly questionable sources but quoting a lawyer's claim that aspartame is unhealthy is a new low...10 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »
You do realize that plants contain proteins right? Again having higher concentrations and amounts of phenylalanine than that contained in diet sodas. You cannot survive without ingesting protein. Phenylalanine is an essential amino acid, you cannot survive without it in your diet. The RDA for phenylalanine in ones diet is 33 mg/kg per day (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenylalanine see dietary recommendations section).
There is about 70 mg of phenylalanine in a soda. If you hit your RDA for phenylalanine and you weigh something like 65 kg it would be the equivalent of drinking 30 cans of diet soda.
Diet soda is not a significant source of phenylalanine.Aaron_K123 wrote: »alicebhsia wrote: »well personally i am sensitive to phenylalanine. lucky i am a vegetarian. my mom has been guzzling diet coke and diet iced tea lately. just yesterday she was showing signs of senility. it would be terrible if aspartame was the cause and my mom becomes demented. of course it could just be a coincidence, but we should be careful what we put i our bodies. a trace of poison can kill you. better safe than sorry and all of that.
You do realize that plants contain proteins right? Again having higher concentrations and amounts of phenylalanine than that contained in diet sodas. You cannot survive without ingesting protein. Phenylalanine is an essential amino acid, you cannot survive without it in your diet.
well, apparently they contain l-phenylalaline, not phenylalaline so to say that phenylalaline is found in proteins would not be accurate. i mean, why do you want people to not think aspartame is scary when the studies are showing that they could be damaging to the health?18 -
alicebhsia wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »
You do realize that plants contain proteins right? Again having higher concentrations and amounts of phenylalanine than that contained in diet sodas. You cannot survive without ingesting protein. Phenylalanine is an essential amino acid, you cannot survive without it in your diet. The RDA for phenylalanine in ones diet is 33 mg/kg per day (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenylalanine see dietary recommendations section).
There is about 70 mg of phenylalanine in a soda. If you hit your RDA for phenylalanine and you weigh something like 65 kg it would be the equivalent of drinking 30 cans of diet soda.
Diet soda is not a significant source of phenylalanine.Aaron_K123 wrote: »alicebhsia wrote: »well personally i am sensitive to phenylalanine. lucky i am a vegetarian. my mom has been guzzling diet coke and diet iced tea lately. just yesterday she was showing signs of senility. it would be terrible if aspartame was the cause and my mom becomes demented. of course it could just be a coincidence, but we should be careful what we put i our bodies. a trace of poison can kill you. better safe than sorry and all of that.
You do realize that plants contain proteins right? Again having higher concentrations and amounts of phenylalanine than that contained in diet sodas. You cannot survive without ingesting protein. Phenylalanine is an essential amino acid, you cannot survive without it in your diet.
well, apparently they contain l-phenylalaline, not phenylalaline so to say that phenylalaline is found in proteins would not be accurate. i mean, why do you want people to not think aspartame is scary when the studies are showing that they could be damaging to the health?
What studies are you referring to?3 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »Lawyers seem to find Aspartame good for business.
nypost.com/2017/10/18/these-diet-sodas-are-actually-making-people-fat-suit/
"The companies’ diet drinks contain aspertame, a sugar substitute, which some recent studies have shown can cause cardiovascular disease and diabetes, as well as lead to weight gain, the suits claim."
"“Our case is focused on aspertame, but all artificial sweetners” behave the same in your body, said Derek Smith, whose eponymous law firm is lead counsel in all three soda cases."
Didn't the phrase "all artificial sweeteners behave the same in your body" strike you as even slightly suspect bearing in mind how completely different sweeteners are from each other?7 -
alicebhsia wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »
You do realize that plants contain proteins right? Again having higher concentrations and amounts of phenylalanine than that contained in diet sodas. You cannot survive without ingesting protein. Phenylalanine is an essential amino acid, you cannot survive without it in your diet. The RDA for phenylalanine in ones diet is 33 mg/kg per day (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenylalanine see dietary recommendations section).
There is about 70 mg of phenylalanine in a soda. If you hit your RDA for phenylalanine and you weigh something like 65 kg it would be the equivalent of drinking 30 cans of diet soda.
Diet soda is not a significant source of phenylalanine.Aaron_K123 wrote: »alicebhsia wrote: »well personally i am sensitive to phenylalanine. lucky i am a vegetarian. my mom has been guzzling diet coke and diet iced tea lately. just yesterday she was showing signs of senility. it would be terrible if aspartame was the cause and my mom becomes demented. of course it could just be a coincidence, but we should be careful what we put i our bodies. a trace of poison can kill you. better safe than sorry and all of that.
You do realize that plants contain proteins right? Again having higher concentrations and amounts of phenylalanine than that contained in diet sodas. You cannot survive without ingesting protein. Phenylalanine is an essential amino acid, you cannot survive without it in your diet.
well, apparently they contain l-phenylalaline, not phenylalaline so to say that phenylalaline is found in proteins would not be accurate. i mean, why do you want people to not think aspartame is scary when the studies are showing that they could be damaging to the health?
l-phenylalanine is phenylalanine. It is the same thing. Yes to say phenylalanine is found in protein is 100% accurate.
There are two forms of phenylalanine as it is a chiral molecule. There is l-phenylalanine and d-phenylalanine. The form in protein and the form in aspartame are the same, they are l-phenylalanine. As l-phenylalanine is the most common form it is just called phenylalanine to save time.
The phenylalnine you'd get from metabolising aspartame is 100% identical to the phenylalanine you'd get metabolising protein from any source, including plants.16 -
janejellyroll wrote: »What studies are you referring to?
try googling it. there are many. i'm not saying i won't occasionally have something with aspartame in it. as to my understanding it's only in high concentrations that it's harmful. even vitamins can be harmful in too high a concentration. but still, our brains are sensitive machines, why sell them out and our health along with it for the sake of convenience or what is easy? (to go along with whatever these money-making companies are pushing on us.) why aspartame isn't scary to me? because i take it in extreme moderation and avoid it whenever possible.
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alicebhsia wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »What studies are you referring to?
try googling it. there are many. i'm not saying i won't occasionally have something with aspartame in it. as to my understanding it's only in high concentrations that it's harmful. even vitamins can be harmful in too high a concentration. but still, our brains are sensitive machines, why sell them out and our health along with it for the sake of convenience or what is easy? (to go along with whatever these money-making companies are pushing on us.) why aspartame isn't scary to me? because i take in extreme moderation and avoid it whenever possible.
Many of us have googled. Many of us have read the studies. In 49 pages here, many of the studies have been brought up and discussed. We're curious which ones specifically you feel are relevant here. Have you had a chance to check out the last 49 pages?8 -
alicebhsia wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »What studies are you referring to?
try googling it. there are many. i'm not saying i won't occasionally have something with aspartame in it. as to my understanding it's only in high concentrations that it's harmful. even vitamins can be harmful in too high a concentration. but still, our brains are sensitive machines, why sell them out and our health along with it for the sake of convenience or what is easy? (to go along with whatever these money-making companies are pushing on us.) why aspartame isn't scary to me? because i take it in extreme moderation and avoid it whenever possible.
It is not harmful at all. No aspartame reaches your brain, it is metabolized in your stomach and intestine. The peptide bond between the aspartate and phenylalanine residues is metabolized by peptidases and the methyl group is hydrolized into methanol. Zero aspartame ends up in your blood and zero ends up in your brain. What you are saying is simply false. Yes, everything has some level where you hit a toxic dose even water but for aspartame we are talking the same toxic dose you would get from protein or something like table sugar. It is about as dangerous as brocolli.
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