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What are your unpopular opinions about health / fitness?
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smh...see you took what I said out of context...it is relevant to if a person succeeds but not if weight is lost.
Just making sure you knew that....;)
Yes, it is the how and not the why.
By the way, what does smh mean?
smh = shake my head
Haha... nice0 -
smh...see you took what I said out of context...it is relevant to if a person succeeds but not if weight is lost.
Just making sure you knew that....;)
Yes, it is the how and not the why.
By the way, what does smh mean?
smh = shake my head
or smacking.
And yes I noted that you're referencing your use.1 -
How does it make is easier if you can't stick to it? Isn't that making it harder than easier? And anything one does to improve weight loss and improve nutritional profile has additional health benefits regardless of diet.When it comes down to weight loss, CICO is all that matters... BUT...- Keto makes it easier - if you can stick to it - and has additional health benefits.
And this is the point of not dieting with an overly restrictive diet.[*] IF makes it easier and has additional health benefits.
Weight loss was so easy for me when I stuck to keto. It melted off me. Every day the scale would be down a bit more. It was awesome.
But in the end I found it too restrictive and stopped. Now losing weight with a standard diet is so much harder. And I miss the nice health benefits of keto. But carbs are so tasty.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
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Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I'm saying it made the process of weight loss way easier and I miss how EASY it was to lose weight while doing it. If someone is able to commit to that kind of eating, they'll have success. But if you're a carb-lover, it ain't gonna work out in the end. That's all I'm saying. I'm 100% aware of the importance of sustainability.
no to the bolded.
if a person can commit to a calorie deficit they will have success.
A way of getting that deficit is not relevant.
and unless you are in a calorie deficit keto and IF do not guarantee success...
and what are the additional health benefits that keto and IF offer that no other WOE does??? this I can hardly wait to hear.
Hmm, I am having regrets posting my unpopular opinion, haha. My first line was that it all comes down to CICO, so obviously I know that.
The benefits I experienced with keto were: better mental clarity, more energy, better sleep, MUCH less flatulence/bloating, no bad breath, reduced and stable appetite, no sugar crashes. These are not uncommon.
No, but they are not experienced by everyone, and hardly limited to keto. (On bad breath, lots of people find that keto causes it, for them.)
I didn't find a difference between low carbing and ketoing on these fronts. I also (in that I am currently doing a different experiment), don't really find a difference between low carbing and eating a higher fiber mostly whole foods plant based diet that is much higher carb. In fact, on energy and mental clarity I think I feel better with the latter. Both give me a stable appetite, no cravings, no sugar crashes, and stable energy and make it easier not to think about food between meals. So did being committed to a mostly whole foods, nutrient-dense deficit at 40-30-30. For me, it seems to be eating well and feeling like what I am eating matters, and avoiding lots of refined carbs (whether or not mixed with high fat). It also seems to help to be committed to eating only at meals and looking forward to my meals.
I think low carbing can make eating fewer cals easier for some, but clearly this is not everyone, and I would not agree that, as a general statement, weight loss is easier when low carbing. I don't think it is for me (and a low carb diet that was not high veg, so was low fiber, I think would be impossible for me to stick to, as fiber and volume clearly play a role for me in satiety and meals that are primarily fat -- just bacon and eggs, say -- aren't satiating for me).There is some growing science out there about the benefits of IF.
Maybe. But I don't think this has anything to do with keto.2 -
stevencloser wrote: »
How does it make is easier if you can't stick to it? Isn't that making it harder than easier? And anything one does to improve weight loss and improve nutritional profile has additional health benefits regardless of diet.When it comes down to weight loss, CICO is all that matters... BUT...- Keto makes it easier - if you can stick to it - and has additional health benefits.
And this is the point of not dieting with an overly restrictive diet.[*] IF makes it easier and has additional health benefits.
Weight loss was so easy for me when I stuck to keto. It melted off me. Every day the scale would be down a bit more. It was awesome.
But in the end I found it too restrictive and stopped. Now losing weight with a standard diet is so much harder. And I miss the nice health benefits of keto. But carbs are so tasty.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I'm saying it made the process of weight loss way easier and I miss how EASY it was to lose weight while doing it. If someone is able to commit to that kind of eating, they'll have success. But if you're a carb-lover, it ain't gonna work out in the end. That's all I'm saying. I'm 100% aware of the importance of sustainability.
no to the bolded.
if a person can commit to a calorie deficit they will have success.
A way of getting that deficit is not relevant.
and unless you are in a calorie deficit keto and IF do not guarantee success...
and what are the additional health benefits that keto and IF offer that no other WOE does??? this I can hardly wait to hear.
Hmm, I am having regrets posting my unpopular opinion, haha. My first line was that it all comes down to CICO, so obviously I know that.
The benefits I experienced with keto were: better mental clarity, more energy, better sleep, MUCH less flatulence/bloating, no bad breath, reduced and stable appetite, no sugar crashes. These are not uncommon.
There is some growing science out there about the benefits of IF.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3680567/
"There is indeed a large body of research to support the health benefits of fasting, though most of it has been conducted on animals, not humans. Still, the results have been promising. Fasting has been shown to improve biomarkers of disease, reduce oxidative stress and preserve learning and memory functioning, according to Mark Mattson, senior investigator for the National Institute on Aging, part of the US National Institutes of Health. Mattson has investigated the health benefits of intermittent fasting on the cardiovascular system and brain in rodents, and has called for “well-controlled human studies” in people “across a range of body mass indexes” (J Nutr Biochem 2005;16:129–37)."
http://www.smh.com.au/lifestyle/health-and-wellbeing/nutrition/new-intermittent-fasting-studies-reignite-debate-about-its-benefits-20170301-gunyx5.html
http://www.johnshopkinshealthreview.com/issues/spring-summer-2016/articles/are-there-any-proven-benefits-to-fasting
What are "sugar crashes"? Seriously. That always gets thrown around but I've never actually seen it happen anywhere.
Also no bad breath? Keto is notorious for causing bad breath, so much that it's even called "Keto breath".
On sugar crashes, I think it normally means where people get tired/low energy, crave food, eat some quick carbs (with or without fat), and perk up for a bit only to get low energy in a couple of hours. I do think some end up getting caught in such a cycle and overeating -- it's why not sleeping enough can make it harder too. I found stopping this pattern was very helpful for me when I first decided to lose weight.
Or perhaps it's the phenomenon of eating a huge meal with lots of refined carbs and then being tired after. It's something people seem to joke about (often after a large meal involving pizza or pasta or rice -- which of course have protein and fat too).0 -
singingflutelady wrote: »
Yes, this.1 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »
How does it make is easier if you can't stick to it? Isn't that making it harder than easier? And anything one does to improve weight loss and improve nutritional profile has additional health benefits regardless of diet.When it comes down to weight loss, CICO is all that matters... BUT...- Keto makes it easier - if you can stick to it - and has additional health benefits.
And this is the point of not dieting with an overly restrictive diet.[*] IF makes it easier and has additional health benefits.
Weight loss was so easy for me when I stuck to keto. It melted off me. Every day the scale would be down a bit more. It was awesome.
But in the end I found it too restrictive and stopped. Now losing weight with a standard diet is so much harder. And I miss the nice health benefits of keto. But carbs are so tasty.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I'm saying it made the process of weight loss way easier and I miss how EASY it was to lose weight while doing it. If someone is able to commit to that kind of eating, they'll have success. But if you're a carb-lover, it ain't gonna work out in the end. That's all I'm saying. I'm 100% aware of the importance of sustainability.
no to the bolded.
if a person can commit to a calorie deficit they will have success.
A way of getting that deficit is not relevant.
and unless you are in a calorie deficit keto and IF do not guarantee success...
and what are the additional health benefits that keto and IF offer that no other WOE does??? this I can hardly wait to hear.
Hmm, I am having regrets posting my unpopular opinion, haha. My first line was that it all comes down to CICO, so obviously I know that.
The benefits I experienced with keto were: better mental clarity, more energy, better sleep, MUCH less flatulence/bloating, no bad breath, reduced and stable appetite, no sugar crashes. These are not uncommon.
No, but they are not experienced by everyone, and hardly limited to keto. (On bad breath, lots of people find that keto causes it, for them.)
Not just my breath, when Ketoing. In fact, I had truly epic flatulence. With near fatal impacts.10 -
stanmann571 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »
How does it make is easier if you can't stick to it? Isn't that making it harder than easier? And anything one does to improve weight loss and improve nutritional profile has additional health benefits regardless of diet.When it comes down to weight loss, CICO is all that matters... BUT...- Keto makes it easier - if you can stick to it - and has additional health benefits.
And this is the point of not dieting with an overly restrictive diet.[*] IF makes it easier and has additional health benefits.
Weight loss was so easy for me when I stuck to keto. It melted off me. Every day the scale would be down a bit more. It was awesome.
But in the end I found it too restrictive and stopped. Now losing weight with a standard diet is so much harder. And I miss the nice health benefits of keto. But carbs are so tasty.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I'm saying it made the process of weight loss way easier and I miss how EASY it was to lose weight while doing it. If someone is able to commit to that kind of eating, they'll have success. But if you're a carb-lover, it ain't gonna work out in the end. That's all I'm saying. I'm 100% aware of the importance of sustainability.
no to the bolded.
if a person can commit to a calorie deficit they will have success.
A way of getting that deficit is not relevant.
and unless you are in a calorie deficit keto and IF do not guarantee success...
and what are the additional health benefits that keto and IF offer that no other WOE does??? this I can hardly wait to hear.
Hmm, I am having regrets posting my unpopular opinion, haha. My first line was that it all comes down to CICO, so obviously I know that.
The benefits I experienced with keto were: better mental clarity, more energy, better sleep, MUCH less flatulence/bloating, no bad breath, reduced and stable appetite, no sugar crashes. These are not uncommon.
No, but they are not experienced by everyone, and hardly limited to keto. (On bad breath, lots of people find that keto causes it, for them.)
Not just my breath, when Ketoing. In fact, I had truly epic flatulence. With near fatal impacts.
For you or for others?
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WinoGelato wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »
How does it make is easier if you can't stick to it? Isn't that making it harder than easier? And anything one does to improve weight loss and improve nutritional profile has additional health benefits regardless of diet.When it comes down to weight loss, CICO is all that matters... BUT...- Keto makes it easier - if you can stick to it - and has additional health benefits.
And this is the point of not dieting with an overly restrictive diet.[*] IF makes it easier and has additional health benefits.
Weight loss was so easy for me when I stuck to keto. It melted off me. Every day the scale would be down a bit more. It was awesome.
But in the end I found it too restrictive and stopped. Now losing weight with a standard diet is so much harder. And I miss the nice health benefits of keto. But carbs are so tasty.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
I'm saying it made the process of weight loss way easier and I miss how EASY it was to lose weight while doing it. If someone is able to commit to that kind of eating, they'll have success. But if you're a carb-lover, it ain't gonna work out in the end. That's all I'm saying. I'm 100% aware of the importance of sustainability.
no to the bolded.
if a person can commit to a calorie deficit they will have success.
A way of getting that deficit is not relevant.
and unless you are in a calorie deficit keto and IF do not guarantee success...
and what are the additional health benefits that keto and IF offer that no other WOE does??? this I can hardly wait to hear.
Hmm, I am having regrets posting my unpopular opinion, haha. My first line was that it all comes down to CICO, so obviously I know that.
The benefits I experienced with keto were: better mental clarity, more energy, better sleep, MUCH less flatulence/bloating, no bad breath, reduced and stable appetite, no sugar crashes. These are not uncommon.
No, but they are not experienced by everyone, and hardly limited to keto. (On bad breath, lots of people find that keto causes it, for them.)
Not just my breath, when Ketoing. In fact, I had truly epic flatulence. With near fatal impacts.
For you or for others?
I was great. But I got complaints from people from as much as 20 meters away...
It was awesome. Italian sausage, Broccoli and Eggs... Occasionally I'd use the ground sausage for making hamburger patties. half and half with beef.
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If you're trying to lose weight, and closely monitoring your progress, it's best to stick to basically the same macro ratios the entire time. If you're LCHF, stick to that. If you're HCLF, stick to that. letting your carb and fat ratios fluctuate is a recipe for the kinds of "why did i gain 4 pounds today" hysterics that discourage people trying to lose weight.
Not universally a problem. Some of us are (1) able to understand what's going on with fluctuations, right from the start; and (2) are not even slightly inclined to hysterics about much of anything, let alone something so trivial.
Clearly, others' mileage will vary.3 -
If you're trying to lose weight, and closely monitoring your progress, it's best to stick to basically the same macro ratios the entire time. If you're LCHF, stick to that. If you're HCLF, stick to that. letting your carb and fat ratios fluctuate is a recipe for the kinds of "why did i gain 4 pounds today" hysterics that discourage people trying to lose weight.
Not universally a problem. Some of us are (1) able to understand what's going on with fluctuations, right from the start; and (2) are not even slightly inclined to hysterics about much of anything, let alone something so trivial.
Clearly, others' mileage will vary.
I swear to god, this website will “not every....” literally anything6 -
If you're trying to lose weight, and closely monitoring your progress, it's best to stick to basically the same macro ratios the entire time. If you're LCHF, stick to that. If you're HCLF, stick to that. letting your carb and fat ratios fluctuate is a recipe for the kinds of "why did i gain 4 pounds today" hysterics that discourage people trying to lose weight.
Not universally a problem. Some of us are (1) able to understand what's going on with fluctuations, right from the start; and (2) are not even slightly inclined to hysterics about much of anything, let alone something so trivial.
Clearly, others' mileage will vary.
I swear to god, this website will “not every....” literally anything
yup...however in most situations you shouldn't blanket statement things...because there will always be a "not every...." shortly if you do...
because typically there is a not every to follow....
you'll get the hang of it I promise...5 -
If you're trying to lose weight, and closely monitoring your progress, it's best to stick to basically the same macro ratios the entire time. If you're LCHF, stick to that. If you're HCLF, stick to that. letting your carb and fat ratios fluctuate is a recipe for the kinds of "why did i gain 4 pounds today" hysterics that discourage people trying to lose weight.
Not universally a problem. Some of us are (1) able to understand what's going on with fluctuations, right from the start; and (2) are not even slightly inclined to hysterics about much of anything, let alone something so trivial.
Clearly, others' mileage will vary.
I swear to god, this website will “not every....” literally anything
yup...however in most situations you shouldn't blanket statement things...because there will always be a "not every...." shortly if you do...
because typically there is a not every to follow....
you'll get the hang of it I promise...
What exactly did that comment do to add to or clarify what I said? I think it was pretty obvious that I was talking pretty specifically about the seemingly endless stream of posters who complain every time they see the scale go up a pound.
The “aaaaccctually not eeeevery...” respond added literally nothing.
I didn’t say “every” or “all” anywhere in my post.
I was speaking very specifically to people are “closely monitoring their weight loss.”
Clearly if you already understand there’s going to be fluctuations, you’re in that bucket, and the entire rest of the message is completely, and totally, irrelevant to you.3 -
Adulting is hard. I don't know if it's that unpopular though...9
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My most unpopular idea about fitness tends to be that I am right and you are wrong. Typically you don't like being wrong, especially when I am right.29
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If you're trying to lose weight, and closely monitoring your progress, it's best to stick to basically the same macro ratios the entire time. If you're LCHF, stick to that. If you're HCLF, stick to that. letting your carb and fat ratios fluctuate is a recipe for the kinds of "why did i gain 4 pounds today" hysterics that discourage people trying to lose weight.
Not universally a problem. Some of us are (1) able to understand what's going on with fluctuations, right from the start; and (2) are not even slightly inclined to hysterics about much of anything, let alone something so trivial.
Clearly, others' mileage will vary.
I swear to god, this website will “not every....” literally anything
yup...however in most situations you shouldn't blanket statement things...because there will always be a "not every...." shortly if you do...
because typically there is a not every to follow....
you'll get the hang of it I promise...
What exactly did that comment do to add to or clarify what I said? I think it was pretty obvious that I was talking pretty specifically about the seemingly endless stream of posters who complain every time they see the scale go up a pound.
The “aaaaccctually not eeeevery...” respond added literally nothing.
I didn’t say “every” or “all” anywhere in my post.
I was speaking very specifically to people are “closely monitoring their weight loss.”
Clearly if you already understand there’s going to be fluctuations, you’re in that bucket, and the entire rest of the message is completely, and totally, irrelevant to you.
"Closely monitoring", to me, means carefully tracking consumption, exercise, and scale weight. I'm a believer in doing those things. But anxiety about any of it is optional.
Personally, I prefer to encourage anxious people to understand the process - including fluctuations - in the hope that will help them reduce their anxiety and avoid hysteria, rather than encourage them to meticulously control their macro ratios, which seems more likely to cause increased anxiety. (Also not universal.
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But that's just my opinion, in a thread about opinions, where you posted your opinion, then I posted mine, and so on.5 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »My most unpopular idea about fitness tends to be that I am right and you are wrong. Typically you don't like being wrong, especially when I am right.
See, I've learned to accept that you are likely right about things. So if I find myself disagreeing with you, I tend to think I'm wrong and you're right.
But this applies only to you (and a few others).13 -
Tacklewasher wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »My most unpopular idea about fitness tends to be that I am right and you are wrong. Typically you don't like being wrong, especially when I am right.
See, I've learned to accept that you are likely right about things. So if I find myself disagreeing with you, I tend to think I'm wrong and you're right.
But this applies only to you (and a few others).
Oh come on I was making a joke...don't make it weird lol6 -
Aaron_K123 wrote: »Tacklewasher wrote: »Aaron_K123 wrote: »My most unpopular idea about fitness tends to be that I am right and you are wrong. Typically you don't like being wrong, especially when I am right.
See, I've learned to accept that you are likely right about things. So if I find myself disagreeing with you, I tend to think I'm wrong and you're right.
But this applies only to you (and a few others).
Oh come on I was making a joke...don't make it weird lol
Too late! LOL2 -
I think sugar in context is good.6
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