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Can you both desire to lose weight and be body positive?
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eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.
A scan. Not an X-Ray.0 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.
you are here trying to tell us that you are a smoker and that it's not causing you health issues at this very moment...
but have a bit of extra fat does....
wow...just wow.5 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.
you are here trying to tell us that you are a smoker and that it's not causing you health issues at this very moment...
but have a bit of extra fat does....
wow...just wow.
No I said just because I'm metabolically healthy doesn't mean I'm healthy LOL. Smoking isn't healthy that's not what I'm saying at all. Just because I smoke that makes me unhealthy. Just because it's not causing me health issues at this very moment doesn't mean it's healthy. You have it so twisted.0 -
stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.
A scan. Not an X-Ray.
Have you had every part of your body scanned?0 -
One does not need tens of thousands of studies to prove the first one faulty. One just needs one. It would be easier to make your point (and you have one) if you showed care with the logic.
There's an ideal fat ratio. Go below that ratio and the person is at greater risk for health issues.
So when your BMI increases above 22.5, people who have never smoked have a higher Hazard Ratio than "all subjects", which includes smokers?0 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.
you are here trying to tell us that you are a smoker and that it's not causing you health issues at this very moment...
but have a bit of extra fat does....
wow...just wow.
No I said just because I'm metabolically healthy doesn't mean I'm healthy LOL. Smoking isn't healthy that's not what I'm saying at all. Just because I smoke that makes me unhealthy. Just because it's not causing me health issues at this very moment doesn't mean it's healthy. You have it so twisted.
No, you have now twisted it. You said anyone overweight was unhealthy. But you are now saying smoking is unhealthy but you are not. See the difference? It's an important difference.
Being overweight and smoking are both unhealthy behaviors. That is different that a person being unhealthy.4 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.
you are here trying to tell us that you are a smoker and that it's not causing you health issues at this very moment...
but have a bit of extra fat does....
wow...just wow.
No I said just because I'm metabolically healthy doesn't mean I'm healthy LOL. Smoking isn't healthy that's not what I'm saying at all. Just because I smoke that makes me unhealthy. Just because it's not causing me health issues at this very moment doesn't mean it's healthy. You have it so twisted.
no...I am not mixed up...I think you might be.
1. In one post you said Xrayed...now it's scanned
2. You said you have no health conditions associated with smoking...which you do you just don't see them...come run a couple miles with me or Stan and let's see how healthy you are
3. you say you are healthy metabolically but are still overweight but have said repeatedly you can't be health and overweight...ps 30lbs left to lose usually means you are still overweight unless you are an outlier...which based on your pics you are not.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.
you are here trying to tell us that you are a smoker and that it's not causing you health issues at this very moment...
but have a bit of extra fat does....
wow...just wow.
No I said just because I'm metabolically healthy doesn't mean I'm healthy LOL. Smoking isn't healthy that's not what I'm saying at all. Just because I smoke that makes me unhealthy. Just because it's not causing me health issues at this very moment doesn't mean it's healthy. You have it so twisted.
No, you have now twisted it. You said anyone overweight was unhealthy. But you are now saying smoking is unhealthy but you are not. See the difference? It's an important difference.
Being overweight and smoking are both unhealthy behaviors. That is different that a person being unhealthy.
Smoking makes me unhealthy. Just because it doesn't affect my health at this very moment doesn't make it healthy.
Being overweight makes me unhealthy. Just because it doesn't affect my health at this very moment doesn't make it healthy.1 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.
you are here trying to tell us that you are a smoker and that it's not causing you health issues at this very moment...
but have a bit of extra fat does....
wow...just wow.
No I said just because I'm metabolically healthy doesn't mean I'm healthy LOL. Smoking isn't healthy that's not what I'm saying at all. Just because I smoke that makes me unhealthy. Just because it's not causing me health issues at this very moment doesn't mean it's healthy. You have it so twisted.
No, you have now twisted it. You said anyone overweight was unhealthy. But you are now saying smoking is unhealthy but you are not. See the difference? It's an important difference.
Being overweight and smoking are both unhealthy behaviors. That is different that a person being unhealthy.
Being overweight is not a behaviour. Being overweight is what happens when you consume too many calories. Creating excess fat which thus makes being overweight unhealthy.1 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.
you are here trying to tell us that you are a smoker and that it's not causing you health issues at this very moment...
but have a bit of extra fat does....
wow...just wow.
No I said just because I'm metabolically healthy doesn't mean I'm healthy LOL. Smoking isn't healthy that's not what I'm saying at all. Just because I smoke that makes me unhealthy. Just because it's not causing me health issues at this very moment doesn't mean it's healthy. You have it so twisted.
No, you have now twisted it. You said anyone overweight was unhealthy. But you are now saying smoking is unhealthy but you are not. See the difference? It's an important difference.
Being overweight and smoking are both unhealthy behaviors. That is different that a person being unhealthy.
Smoking makes me unhealthy. Just because it doesn't affect my health at this very moment doesn't make it healthy.
Being overweight makes me unhealthy. Just because it doesn't affect my health at this very moment doesn't make it healthy.
Are you just messing with us now? You do know the difference between the words "me" and "it", right?1 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.
you are here trying to tell us that you are a smoker and that it's not causing you health issues at this very moment...
but have a bit of extra fat does....
wow...just wow.
No I said just because I'm metabolically healthy doesn't mean I'm healthy LOL. Smoking isn't healthy that's not what I'm saying at all. Just because I smoke that makes me unhealthy. Just because it's not causing me health issues at this very moment doesn't mean it's healthy. You have it so twisted.
No, you have now twisted it. You said anyone overweight was unhealthy. But you are now saying smoking is unhealthy but you are not. See the difference? It's an important difference.
Being overweight and smoking are both unhealthy behaviors. That is different that a person being unhealthy.
Being overweight is not a behaviour. Being overweight is what happens when you consume too many calories. Creating excess fat which thus makes being overweight unhealthy.
Nope.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.
you are here trying to tell us that you are a smoker and that it's not causing you health issues at this very moment...
but have a bit of extra fat does....
wow...just wow.
No I said just because I'm metabolically healthy doesn't mean I'm healthy LOL. Smoking isn't healthy that's not what I'm saying at all. Just because I smoke that makes me unhealthy. Just because it's not causing me health issues at this very moment doesn't mean it's healthy. You have it so twisted.
No, you have now twisted it. You said anyone overweight was unhealthy. But you are now saying smoking is unhealthy but you are not. See the difference? It's an important difference.
Being overweight and smoking are both unhealthy behaviors. That is different that a person being unhealthy.
Being overweight is not a behaviour. Being overweight is what happens when you consume too many calories. Creating excess fat which thus makes being overweight unhealthy.
Nope.
You just said being overweight is an unhealthy "behaviour" but being overweight isn't unhealthy?0 -
Of course you can, you don't have to be chubby or fat to be body positive to somebody. I'm guessing that people find many shapes and sizes body positive.0
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eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.
you are here trying to tell us that you are a smoker and that it's not causing you health issues at this very moment...
but have a bit of extra fat does....
wow...just wow.
No I said just because I'm metabolically healthy doesn't mean I'm healthy LOL. Smoking isn't healthy that's not what I'm saying at all. Just because I smoke that makes me unhealthy. Just because it's not causing me health issues at this very moment doesn't mean it's healthy. You have it so twisted.
no...I am not mixed up...I think you might be.
1. In one post you said Xrayed...now it's scanned
2. You said you have no health conditions associated with smoking...which you do you just don't see them...come run a couple miles with me or Stan and let's see how healthy you are
3. you say you are healthy metabolically but are still overweight but have said repeatedly you can't be health and overweight...ps 30lbs left to lose usually means you are still overweight unless you are an outlier...which based on your pics you are not.
1. I said I had an x ray at least. I know he said scan. I haven't had any scans of my body and neither has he so how does he know he has absolutely no health problems associated with being overweight.
2. I was talking about metabolic health. Which is what you were talking about. Not endurance or lung capacity.
3. I am metabolically healthy yes. Which means no high blood pressure, and my blood work is perfectly normal. I am still overweight. I said this. I've lost 70lbs. I'm not sure what my pictures have to do with anything? Also, I'm 160lbs, my healthy weight starts at 140. Just because I have 30lbs to goal doesn't mean I have 30lbs to be in a healthy weight. Give me a couple months
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eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.
you are here trying to tell us that you are a smoker and that it's not causing you health issues at this very moment...
but have a bit of extra fat does....
wow...just wow.
No I said just because I'm metabolically healthy doesn't mean I'm healthy LOL. Smoking isn't healthy that's not what I'm saying at all. Just because I smoke that makes me unhealthy. Just because it's not causing me health issues at this very moment doesn't mean it's healthy. You have it so twisted.
No, you have now twisted it. You said anyone overweight was unhealthy. But you are now saying smoking is unhealthy but you are not. See the difference? It's an important difference.
Being overweight and smoking are both unhealthy behaviors. That is different that a person being unhealthy.
Being overweight is not a behaviour. Being overweight is what happens when you consume too many calories. Creating excess fat which thus makes being overweight unhealthy.
Nope.
You just said being overweight is an unhealthy "behaviour" but being overweight isn't unhealthy?
Being overweight is unhealthy, as is smoking and habitually getting too little sleep and many, many other behaviors, including being sedentary.
Someone who is overweight is not necessarily unhealthy in that he or she does not necessarily suffer from bad health in any way.3 -
SkylerisSquid wrote: »I am a big fan of fashion bloggers on YouTube and social media in general especially plus sized ones, just more relatable I guess. But, a lot of them push body positivity which I love but I feel like that community exiles everyone trying to 'better' themselves. Can I want to lose weight and be body positive. Because trying to change my appearance and love it is kind of the opposite. I am all for the fat positive movement and general acceptance of everyone but I don't know if I am able to do both.
I don't think there is a real conflict between weight loss and body positivity unless you are approaching weight loss in a negative manner.
When I was in my late teens I weighed less than 100 lbs-underweight for my height. I disliked my appearance. I was not positive about myself.
When I was about 24 years old I was around 125 lbs. It was a healthy weight for my height and I felt pretty good physically and about my appearance. I was doing lots of things- job, more social life. I was petty happy and confident.
I gained weight after pregnancy and went through years of dieting, self hatred, self punishing/harming. I eventually got up to 180- obese for me. At a certain point I worked really hard to think of things I liked about myself. I made a written list of 10 things. I started focusing on the good things about myself and others and accepting myself. I was still overweight but I didn't hate myself for being that way.
I was kind of in denial though about my condition at 180 lbs. When I dropped 20 lbs I really realized how bad I had been feeling physically at a higher weight. I was short of breath climbing stairs in my home. My joints hurt. My legs hurt walking 1 block. I walked slow. I could not bend down to tie my shoe or sit on the floor. My balance was bad. I had trouble doing some exercises because my belly was too big. I had pain laying in bed and didn't sleep well. I was tired. I can feel okay physically at 160-150 ( still overweight) but I can not have the quality of life I want at 170-180 lbs.
I am making an effort to get to a healthy weight because it will improve the quality of my life, reduce pain, reduce health risks, clothes will fit better, and I will be able to do more. I want to keep up with my family. I deserve to live a full healthy life. I don't know how I could love myself and not work toward that.1 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.
you are here trying to tell us that you are a smoker and that it's not causing you health issues at this very moment...
but have a bit of extra fat does....
wow...just wow.
No I said just because I'm metabolically healthy doesn't mean I'm healthy LOL. Smoking isn't healthy that's not what I'm saying at all. Just because I smoke that makes me unhealthy. Just because it's not causing me health issues at this very moment doesn't mean it's healthy. You have it so twisted.
No, you have now twisted it. You said anyone overweight was unhealthy. But you are now saying smoking is unhealthy but you are not. See the difference? It's an important difference.
Being overweight and smoking are both unhealthy behaviors. That is different that a person being unhealthy.
Being overweight is not a behaviour. Being overweight is what happens when you consume too many calories. Creating excess fat which thus makes being overweight unhealthy.
Nope.
You just said being overweight is an unhealthy "behaviour" but being overweight isn't unhealthy?
Being overweight doesn't mean a person is necessarily unhealthy. See the difference.0 -
Can you both desire to ______ (self-improvement effort) and be ______ positive?
Any self-improvement endeavor is a statement that you desire to improve upon your current state, whether it is gaining a new skill, education, fitness improvement, acquiring good habits/losing bad habits, etc. That doesn't mean that you have to hate your current "before" state while pursuing your future "after" state.4 -
*I haven't read any of the other replies.
But yes, you can be "body positive" and still want to lose weight.
To me body positive = you don't hate your body, which is good, you might not love the way it looks but you like, maybe even love what it is, what it does for you, etc.1 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.
you are here trying to tell us that you are a smoker and that it's not causing you health issues at this very moment...
but have a bit of extra fat does....
wow...just wow.
No I said just because I'm metabolically healthy doesn't mean I'm healthy LOL. Smoking isn't healthy that's not what I'm saying at all. Just because I smoke that makes me unhealthy. Just because it's not causing me health issues at this very moment doesn't mean it's healthy. You have it so twisted.
no...I am not mixed up...I think you might be.
1. In one post you said Xrayed...now it's scanned
2. You said you have no health conditions associated with smoking...which you do you just don't see them...come run a couple miles with me or Stan and let's see how healthy you are
3. you say you are healthy metabolically but are still overweight but have said repeatedly you can't be health and overweight...ps 30lbs left to lose usually means you are still overweight unless you are an outlier...which based on your pics you are not.
1. I said I had an x ray at least. I know he said scan. I haven't had any scans of my body and neither has he so how does he know he has absolutely no health problems associated with being overweight.
2. I was talking about metabolic health. Which is what you were talking about. Not endurance or lung capacity.
3. I am metabolically healthy yes. Which means no high blood pressure, and my blood work is perfectly normal. I am still overweight. I said this. I've lost 70lbs. I'm not sure what my pictures have to do with anything? Also, I'm 160lbs, my healthy weight starts at 140. Just because I have 30lbs to goal doesn't mean I have 30lbs to be in a healthy weight. Give me a couple months
and again you are confused...
you said healthy...you did not specify which type of healthy until you got backed into a corner.
Xray vs scan was about smoking not overweight...
and just so you are clear
healthy is defined as
a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity.
so you can't be "healthy"...your numbers are fine but you are not healthy due to your smoking...your weight is irrelevant in the equation for me but you are insisting that overweight people can't be healthy when in fact they can.
they can have perfect blood work and bp etc. They can have no diseases and no issues at all...ergo overweight people can be healthy...
smokers cannot be period...at no point is a smoker healthy...1 -
Body positivity shouldn't just mean "pro fat", take it for what it is...love your body and treat it well.
In fact, I look at it this way, because I love my body, I work at losing weight so I won't have knee problems or diabetes like my mom. I saw firsthand what obesity does to a body, it's a slow and very painful death.2 -
Body positivity partly means minding your own business, and partly respecting yourself and others regardless of body configuration, and partly unlearning toxic ideas about worthiness and desirability in our culture. None of those necessarily preclude weight loss as a goal, but they do change the "why": and as others pointed out, weight loss is more sustainable with a positive mindset rather than a self-loathing mindset.
Body positivity also forgives you if you don't achieve your weight loss goals, which I think is really awesome. Some people keep weight off and that's great, but others due to life circumstances and genetics and habits and health, may not be able to lose weight and keep it off. Some may not want to, and find that fat affords them protection that helps them function psychologically. Body positivity will forgive all that, will forgive you for not being psychologically ready.
In the end we're all humans, and we are more than our fleshbags.2 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.
you are here trying to tell us that you are a smoker and that it's not causing you health issues at this very moment...
but have a bit of extra fat does....
wow...just wow.
No I said just because I'm metabolically healthy doesn't mean I'm healthy LOL. Smoking isn't healthy that's not what I'm saying at all. Just because I smoke that makes me unhealthy. Just because it's not causing me health issues at this very moment doesn't mean it's healthy. You have it so twisted.
no...I am not mixed up...I think you might be.
1. In one post you said Xrayed...now it's scanned
2. You said you have no health conditions associated with smoking...which you do you just don't see them...come run a couple miles with me or Stan and let's see how healthy you are
3. you say you are healthy metabolically but are still overweight but have said repeatedly you can't be health and overweight...ps 30lbs left to lose usually means you are still overweight unless you are an outlier...which based on your pics you are not.
1. I said I had an x ray at least. I know he said scan. I haven't had any scans of my body and neither has he so how does he know he has absolutely no health problems associated with being overweight.
2. I was talking about metabolic health. Which is what you were talking about. Not endurance or lung capacity.
3. I am metabolically healthy yes. Which means no high blood pressure, and my blood work is perfectly normal. I am still overweight. I said this. I've lost 70lbs. I'm not sure what my pictures have to do with anything? Also, I'm 160lbs, my healthy weight starts at 140. Just because I have 30lbs to goal doesn't mean I have 30lbs to be in a healthy weight. Give me a couple months
and again you are confused...
you said healthy...you did not specify which type of healthy until you got backed into a corner.
Xray vs scan was about smoking not overweight...
and just so you are clear
healthy is defined as
a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity.
so you can't be "healthy"...your numbers are fine but you are not healthy due to your smoking...your weight is irrelevant in the equation for me but you are insisting that overweight people can't be healthy when in fact they can.
they can have perfect blood work and bp etc. They can have no diseases and no issues at all...ergo overweight people can be healthy...
smokers cannot be period...at no point is a smoker healthy...
Whatever you say girl. You're completely missing the point. By your definition of healthy an overweight person can't be healthy either but you do you.0 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.
you are here trying to tell us that you are a smoker and that it's not causing you health issues at this very moment...
but have a bit of extra fat does....
wow...just wow.
No I said just because I'm metabolically healthy doesn't mean I'm healthy LOL. Smoking isn't healthy that's not what I'm saying at all. Just because I smoke that makes me unhealthy. Just because it's not causing me health issues at this very moment doesn't mean it's healthy. You have it so twisted.
no...I am not mixed up...I think you might be.
1. In one post you said Xrayed...now it's scanned
2. You said you have no health conditions associated with smoking...which you do you just don't see them...come run a couple miles with me or Stan and let's see how healthy you are
3. you say you are healthy metabolically but are still overweight but have said repeatedly you can't be health and overweight...ps 30lbs left to lose usually means you are still overweight unless you are an outlier...which based on your pics you are not.
1. I said I had an x ray at least. I know he said scan. I haven't had any scans of my body and neither has he so how does he know he has absolutely no health problems associated with being overweight.
2. I was talking about metabolic health. Which is what you were talking about. Not endurance or lung capacity.
3. I am metabolically healthy yes. Which means no high blood pressure, and my blood work is perfectly normal. I am still overweight. I said this. I've lost 70lbs. I'm not sure what my pictures have to do with anything? Also, I'm 160lbs, my healthy weight starts at 140. Just because I have 30lbs to goal doesn't mean I have 30lbs to be in a healthy weight. Give me a couple months
and again you are confused...
you said healthy...you did not specify which type of healthy until you got backed into a corner.
Xray vs scan was about smoking not overweight...
and just so you are clear
healthy is defined as
a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity.
so you can't be "healthy"...your numbers are fine but you are not healthy due to your smoking...your weight is irrelevant in the equation for me but you are insisting that overweight people can't be healthy when in fact they can.
they can have perfect blood work and bp etc. They can have no diseases and no issues at all...ergo overweight people can be healthy...
smokers cannot be period...at no point is a smoker healthy...
Whatever you say girl. You're completely missing the point. By your definition of healthy an overweight person can't be healthy either but you do you.
By your definition no one could be healthy because everyone has at least one risk factor for health problems.3 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.
you are here trying to tell us that you are a smoker and that it's not causing you health issues at this very moment...
but have a bit of extra fat does....
wow...just wow.
No I said just because I'm metabolically healthy doesn't mean I'm healthy LOL. Smoking isn't healthy that's not what I'm saying at all. Just because I smoke that makes me unhealthy. Just because it's not causing me health issues at this very moment doesn't mean it's healthy. You have it so twisted.
no...I am not mixed up...I think you might be.
1. In one post you said Xrayed...now it's scanned
2. You said you have no health conditions associated with smoking...which you do you just don't see them...come run a couple miles with me or Stan and let's see how healthy you are
3. you say you are healthy metabolically but are still overweight but have said repeatedly you can't be health and overweight...ps 30lbs left to lose usually means you are still overweight unless you are an outlier...which based on your pics you are not.
1. I said I had an x ray at least. I know he said scan. I haven't had any scans of my body and neither has he so how does he know he has absolutely no health problems associated with being overweight.
2. I was talking about metabolic health. Which is what you were talking about. Not endurance or lung capacity.
3. I am metabolically healthy yes. Which means no high blood pressure, and my blood work is perfectly normal. I am still overweight. I said this. I've lost 70lbs. I'm not sure what my pictures have to do with anything? Also, I'm 160lbs, my healthy weight starts at 140. Just because I have 30lbs to goal doesn't mean I have 30lbs to be in a healthy weight. Give me a couple months
and again you are confused...
you said healthy...you did not specify which type of healthy until you got backed into a corner.
Xray vs scan was about smoking not overweight...
and just so you are clear
healthy is defined as
a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity.
so you can't be "healthy"...your numbers are fine but you are not healthy due to your smoking...your weight is irrelevant in the equation for me but you are insisting that overweight people can't be healthy when in fact they can.
they can have perfect blood work and bp etc. They can have no diseases and no issues at all...ergo overweight people can be healthy...
smokers cannot be period...at no point is a smoker healthy...
Whatever you say girl. You're completely missing the point. By your definition of healthy an overweight person can't be healthy either but you do you.
By your definition no one could be healthy because everyone has at least one risk factor for health problems.
Sure lol no one is 100% in complete health.0 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.
you are here trying to tell us that you are a smoker and that it's not causing you health issues at this very moment...
but have a bit of extra fat does....
wow...just wow.
No I said just because I'm metabolically healthy doesn't mean I'm healthy LOL. Smoking isn't healthy that's not what I'm saying at all. Just because I smoke that makes me unhealthy. Just because it's not causing me health issues at this very moment doesn't mean it's healthy. You have it so twisted.
no...I am not mixed up...I think you might be.
1. In one post you said Xrayed...now it's scanned
2. You said you have no health conditions associated with smoking...which you do you just don't see them...come run a couple miles with me or Stan and let's see how healthy you are
3. you say you are healthy metabolically but are still overweight but have said repeatedly you can't be health and overweight...ps 30lbs left to lose usually means you are still overweight unless you are an outlier...which based on your pics you are not.
1. I said I had an x ray at least. I know he said scan. I haven't had any scans of my body and neither has he so how does he know he has absolutely no health problems associated with being overweight.
2. I was talking about metabolic health. Which is what you were talking about. Not endurance or lung capacity.
3. I am metabolically healthy yes. Which means no high blood pressure, and my blood work is perfectly normal. I am still overweight. I said this. I've lost 70lbs. I'm not sure what my pictures have to do with anything? Also, I'm 160lbs, my healthy weight starts at 140. Just because I have 30lbs to goal doesn't mean I have 30lbs to be in a healthy weight. Give me a couple months
and again you are confused...
you said healthy...you did not specify which type of healthy until you got backed into a corner.
Xray vs scan was about smoking not overweight...
and just so you are clear
healthy is defined as
a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity.
so you can't be "healthy"...your numbers are fine but you are not healthy due to your smoking...your weight is irrelevant in the equation for me but you are insisting that overweight people can't be healthy when in fact they can.
they can have perfect blood work and bp etc. They can have no diseases and no issues at all...ergo overweight people can be healthy...
smokers cannot be period...at no point is a smoker healthy...
Whatever you say girl. You're completely missing the point. By your definition of healthy an overweight person can't be healthy either but you do you.
By your definition no one could be healthy because everyone has at least one risk factor for health problems.
Sure lol no one is 100% in complete health.
Got anything to back that one up?0 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.
you are here trying to tell us that you are a smoker and that it's not causing you health issues at this very moment...
but have a bit of extra fat does....
wow...just wow.
No I said just because I'm metabolically healthy doesn't mean I'm healthy LOL. Smoking isn't healthy that's not what I'm saying at all. Just because I smoke that makes me unhealthy. Just because it's not causing me health issues at this very moment doesn't mean it's healthy. You have it so twisted.
no...I am not mixed up...I think you might be.
1. In one post you said Xrayed...now it's scanned
2. You said you have no health conditions associated with smoking...which you do you just don't see them...come run a couple miles with me or Stan and let's see how healthy you are
3. you say you are healthy metabolically but are still overweight but have said repeatedly you can't be health and overweight...ps 30lbs left to lose usually means you are still overweight unless you are an outlier...which based on your pics you are not.
1. I said I had an x ray at least. I know he said scan. I haven't had any scans of my body and neither has he so how does he know he has absolutely no health problems associated with being overweight.
2. I was talking about metabolic health. Which is what you were talking about. Not endurance or lung capacity.
3. I am metabolically healthy yes. Which means no high blood pressure, and my blood work is perfectly normal. I am still overweight. I said this. I've lost 70lbs. I'm not sure what my pictures have to do with anything? Also, I'm 160lbs, my healthy weight starts at 140. Just because I have 30lbs to goal doesn't mean I have 30lbs to be in a healthy weight. Give me a couple months
and again you are confused...
you said healthy...you did not specify which type of healthy until you got backed into a corner.
Xray vs scan was about smoking not overweight...
and just so you are clear
healthy is defined as
a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity.
so you can't be "healthy"...your numbers are fine but you are not healthy due to your smoking...your weight is irrelevant in the equation for me but you are insisting that overweight people can't be healthy when in fact they can.
they can have perfect blood work and bp etc. They can have no diseases and no issues at all...ergo overweight people can be healthy...
smokers cannot be period...at no point is a smoker healthy...
Whatever you say girl. You're completely missing the point. By your definition of healthy an overweight person can't be healthy either but you do you.
No I heard your point but it is a fallacy due to the fact you are confusing the present state of being healthy with the potential to not be healthy. Overweight people can be healthy but be at risk. Smokers by default are not healthy as they are in the process of damaging themselves each time they smoke...even each time they take a puff (coming from an ex smoker of 20 years.
by the definition of healthy overweight can be healthy...if they are in a state of physical and mental and social well being they are defined as healthy.
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eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.
you are here trying to tell us that you are a smoker and that it's not causing you health issues at this very moment...
but have a bit of extra fat does....
wow...just wow.
No I said just because I'm metabolically healthy doesn't mean I'm healthy LOL. Smoking isn't healthy that's not what I'm saying at all. Just because I smoke that makes me unhealthy. Just because it's not causing me health issues at this very moment doesn't mean it's healthy. You have it so twisted.
no...I am not mixed up...I think you might be.
1. In one post you said Xrayed...now it's scanned
2. You said you have no health conditions associated with smoking...which you do you just don't see them...come run a couple miles with me or Stan and let's see how healthy you are
3. you say you are healthy metabolically but are still overweight but have said repeatedly you can't be health and overweight...ps 30lbs left to lose usually means you are still overweight unless you are an outlier...which based on your pics you are not.
1. I said I had an x ray at least. I know he said scan. I haven't had any scans of my body and neither has he so how does he know he has absolutely no health problems associated with being overweight.
2. I was talking about metabolic health. Which is what you were talking about. Not endurance or lung capacity.
3. I am metabolically healthy yes. Which means no high blood pressure, and my blood work is perfectly normal. I am still overweight. I said this. I've lost 70lbs. I'm not sure what my pictures have to do with anything? Also, I'm 160lbs, my healthy weight starts at 140. Just because I have 30lbs to goal doesn't mean I have 30lbs to be in a healthy weight. Give me a couple months
and again you are confused...
you said healthy...you did not specify which type of healthy until you got backed into a corner.
Xray vs scan was about smoking not overweight...
and just so you are clear
healthy is defined as
a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity.
so you can't be "healthy"...your numbers are fine but you are not healthy due to your smoking...your weight is irrelevant in the equation for me but you are insisting that overweight people can't be healthy when in fact they can.
they can have perfect blood work and bp etc. They can have no diseases and no issues at all...ergo overweight people can be healthy...
smokers cannot be period...at no point is a smoker healthy...
Whatever you say girl. You're completely missing the point. By your definition of healthy an overweight person can't be healthy either but you do you.
No I heard your point but it is a fallacy due to the fact you are confusing the present state of being healthy with the potential to not be healthy. Overweight people can be healthy but be at risk. Smokers by default are not healthy as they are in the process of damaging themselves each time they smoke...even each time they take a puff (coming from an ex smoker of 20 years.
by the definition of healthy overweight can be healthy...if they are in a state of physical and mental and social well being they are defined as healthy.
How is being overweight being in a state of physical well being? AND mental?0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.
you are here trying to tell us that you are a smoker and that it's not causing you health issues at this very moment...
but have a bit of extra fat does....
wow...just wow.
No I said just because I'm metabolically healthy doesn't mean I'm healthy LOL. Smoking isn't healthy that's not what I'm saying at all. Just because I smoke that makes me unhealthy. Just because it's not causing me health issues at this very moment doesn't mean it's healthy. You have it so twisted.
no...I am not mixed up...I think you might be.
1. In one post you said Xrayed...now it's scanned
2. You said you have no health conditions associated with smoking...which you do you just don't see them...come run a couple miles with me or Stan and let's see how healthy you are
3. you say you are healthy metabolically but are still overweight but have said repeatedly you can't be health and overweight...ps 30lbs left to lose usually means you are still overweight unless you are an outlier...which based on your pics you are not.
1. I said I had an x ray at least. I know he said scan. I haven't had any scans of my body and neither has he so how does he know he has absolutely no health problems associated with being overweight.
2. I was talking about metabolic health. Which is what you were talking about. Not endurance or lung capacity.
3. I am metabolically healthy yes. Which means no high blood pressure, and my blood work is perfectly normal. I am still overweight. I said this. I've lost 70lbs. I'm not sure what my pictures have to do with anything? Also, I'm 160lbs, my healthy weight starts at 140. Just because I have 30lbs to goal doesn't mean I have 30lbs to be in a healthy weight. Give me a couple months
and again you are confused...
you said healthy...you did not specify which type of healthy until you got backed into a corner.
Xray vs scan was about smoking not overweight...
and just so you are clear
healthy is defined as
a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity.
so you can't be "healthy"...your numbers are fine but you are not healthy due to your smoking...your weight is irrelevant in the equation for me but you are insisting that overweight people can't be healthy when in fact they can.
they can have perfect blood work and bp etc. They can have no diseases and no issues at all...ergo overweight people can be healthy...
smokers cannot be period...at no point is a smoker healthy...
Whatever you say girl. You're completely missing the point. By your definition of healthy an overweight person can't be healthy either but you do you.
By your definition no one could be healthy because everyone has at least one risk factor for health problems.
Sure lol no one is 100% in complete health.
Got anything to back that one up?
Have you given me anything to back up ANYTHING you've claimed? Get out of here lol1 -
eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »NorthCascades wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »eliciaobrien1 wrote: »Oh stop kidding yourselves. Swimming cuts your weight significantly so it's literally less taxing on the body.
Being overweight is not in and of itself unhealthy. It can raise your risk of disease, but regular activity can decrease it.
No. Having more fat on your body raises your risk of disease, yes, which makes it unhealthy. Regular activity, unless you're burning fat, does not decrease it. Regular activity with no change in how much fat is on your body does not change how much fat is on your body. So it wouldn't change your risk of diseases.
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/14/health/fat-but-fit-myth-heart-disease-study/index.html
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2017/may/17/obesity-health-no-such-thing-as-fat-but-fit-major-study
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/fat-but-fit-myth-diet-fitness-obesity-complications-inclusive-a7741126.html (this one might give you "fat but fit" but definitely not fat and healthy)
https://www.nhs.uk/news/lifestyle-and-exercise/fat-but-fit-still-at-higher-risk-of-heart-disease/
All 3 of those reference the same study... which didn't actually review anything about "fat but fit"
They literally all reviewed "fat but fit". Why would you need to do more than one study if one study proves "fat but fit" wrong?
The thing with science is that once it's proved with evidence you don't really need to look at it again.
Well I guess the sun is the center of the universe, atoms are the smallest thing, and eating dietary fat makes you fat.
If you thought one study was all you needed, why did you post it three times with different links?
Oh. My gahd. I already said I misspoke. Right now there is more evidence than none saying you cannot be healthy and overweight. Until that is proven wrong then that's all we have. There is no evidence at all saying you can be healthy and overweight. Being overweight is inherently unhealthy.
The problem with your statements is that you talk in absolutes when the evidence only supports probability.
You can be overweight and healthy. You will never disprove that to me since I was overweight and healthy for about 8 years. But the reason I lost the weight is that remaining overweight increased the probability of developing a health problem.
I am obese and healthy.
I will still be obese when I hit my goal weight.
I will not be particularly more healthy.
By having less fat on your body you will be more healthy then you were. Where are your tens of thousands of examples falsifying this claim?
NO, I won't. I may have a reduced risk for future health impacts. But I won't be "more healthy".
If someone is underweight can they be healthy?
Yes, of course.
But if they were in a normal weight range would they be more healthy?
Unknown. Let's turn this around to see if it makes more sense to you. Is everyone in the healthy weight range healthy?
No not everyone in the healthy weight range is healthy. But if they are unhealthy it has nothing to do with how much they weigh. Same as obese people, they can be unhealthy and it could have nothing to do with their weight. But there are increased health risks that come with just having too much fat on your body. So obesity=unhealthy. And if you smoke cigarettes, you have increased health risks that come with smoking cigarettes. So smoking=unhealthy.
No, smoking=unhealthy, because it causes immediate, measureable damage to the lungs, heart, etc. Some of that damage is reversible, some is not.
Carrying extra body fat does not cause immediate, measurable damage to the body. It increases certain risk factors and may lead to damage. but it doesn't cause it.
I smoke cigarettes and I am metabolically healthy. I have absolutely no health conditions associated with smoking cigarettes. I am also overweight and metabolically healthy.
Smoking cigarettes increases health risks and so does extra body fat. Both unhealthy.
Incorrect. A scan of your lungs would show measurable damage.
That's a health condition. You have a measurably lower VO2Max than you would as a nonsmoker.
Have you had your whole body scanned? I've had my chest X rayed at least and no problems there.
That wouldn't show anything about metabolic health. That just means you don't have any unusual masses.
That was a reply to the man who said a scan of my lungs would should measurable damage. I am metabolically healthy. I have no health problems.
you are here trying to tell us that you are a smoker and that it's not causing you health issues at this very moment...
but have a bit of extra fat does....
wow...just wow.
No I said just because I'm metabolically healthy doesn't mean I'm healthy LOL. Smoking isn't healthy that's not what I'm saying at all. Just because I smoke that makes me unhealthy. Just because it's not causing me health issues at this very moment doesn't mean it's healthy. You have it so twisted.
no...I am not mixed up...I think you might be.
1. In one post you said Xrayed...now it's scanned
2. You said you have no health conditions associated with smoking...which you do you just don't see them...come run a couple miles with me or Stan and let's see how healthy you are
3. you say you are healthy metabolically but are still overweight but have said repeatedly you can't be health and overweight...ps 30lbs left to lose usually means you are still overweight unless you are an outlier...which based on your pics you are not.
1. I said I had an x ray at least. I know he said scan. I haven't had any scans of my body and neither has he so how does he know he has absolutely no health problems associated with being overweight.
2. I was talking about metabolic health. Which is what you were talking about. Not endurance or lung capacity.
3. I am metabolically healthy yes. Which means no high blood pressure, and my blood work is perfectly normal. I am still overweight. I said this. I've lost 70lbs. I'm not sure what my pictures have to do with anything? Also, I'm 160lbs, my healthy weight starts at 140. Just because I have 30lbs to goal doesn't mean I have 30lbs to be in a healthy weight. Give me a couple months
and again you are confused...
you said healthy...you did not specify which type of healthy until you got backed into a corner.
Xray vs scan was about smoking not overweight...
and just so you are clear
healthy is defined as
a state of complete physical, mental and social well-being and not merely the absence of disease or infirmity.
so you can't be "healthy"...your numbers are fine but you are not healthy due to your smoking...your weight is irrelevant in the equation for me but you are insisting that overweight people can't be healthy when in fact they can.
they can have perfect blood work and bp etc. They can have no diseases and no issues at all...ergo overweight people can be healthy...
smokers cannot be period...at no point is a smoker healthy...
Whatever you say girl. You're completely missing the point. By your definition of healthy an overweight person can't be healthy either but you do you.
No I heard your point but it is a fallacy due to the fact you are confusing the present state of being healthy with the potential to not be healthy. Overweight people can be healthy but be at risk. Smokers by default are not healthy as they are in the process of damaging themselves each time they smoke...even each time they take a puff (coming from an ex smoker of 20 years.
by the definition of healthy overweight can be healthy...if they are in a state of physical and mental and social well being they are defined as healthy.
How is being overweight being in a state of physical well being? AND mental?
if the all medical tests come back fine how is it not in a state of physical well being...and mental I had no mental issues when I was overweight...nor do I now.
You assume that those who are bigger are sad or depressed etc and that's why they are overweight...maybe they just like food....2
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