Why are most mfp users against holistic nutrition?

NotEmphatic wrote: »

GlorianasTears wrote: »

Modern medicine seems to do more damage than healing. Truth is that people are prideful they would rather listen to the government and doctors instead of listening to holistic health professionals. I had a friend I tried to help by giving her some natural remedies she disregarded EVERYTHING I said that's when I realized that pride does come before a fall.

I am often disappointed by the aggressive and, frankly, impolite and un-welcoming comments from many on this forum.
The vitriol against Dr Jason Fung - a noted MD who deals with chronically obese and very ill people - is shameful.
That's just one example.
It is offensive to have healthy people scream CICO, CICO, CICO!!
Not all of us have healthy bodily systems that work in a clockwork manner.
My arteries are clogged by naturally produced cholestorol that my body produces.
Many vastly qualified MD's have told me my cholestorol issues are 95% bodily and 5% lifestyle and food.
I am a journalist and have a thick skin.
I am ready for the abuse and I say...if it works for you...do it.
Please...'normal' people...have empathy or please shut up.

Where in this thread are people shouting CICO to someone struggling with a health issue? Are you confusing this thread with others, because the discussion is about the merits of holistic medicine and whether or not the OP (who hasn't been back in ages) is wasting her money on coursework that focuses on things that are largely considered to be woo. The most recent portion of the discussion is whether we are all sheeple who are blinded by lobbyists and interest groups.

I'm confused who the "normal" people are, who you think is being rude, and why stating (factually) that CICO is what matters for weight loss and that many health benefits are realized simply by losing weight is considered to be rude? Many people on these boards and on this thread have talked about the medical issues they and loved ones have dealt with, so I'm not sure why you seem to suggest that "normal" people never need medicine, surgery, or other treatments?

singingflutelady wrote: »

finny11122 wrote: »

singingflutelady wrote: »

finny11122 wrote: »

singingflutelady wrote: »

finny11122 wrote: »

Hollistic approach is great and has helped people for thousands of years .
Modern medicine also has it's place and has helped countless people .
What's wrong is someone jumping down someone's throat because they shared with the world an approach that worked for them . The PC brigrades and the strongly worded letter types are always waiting in the internet shadows ready to pounce on someone .
Do and enjoy what works for you and makes you healthy and happy .

Making up fake diagnoses and therefore curing fake diagnoses isn't "sharing with the world an approach that worked for them".

Do what works for you . And let others do what works for them . It's not a contest . Let people share their experiences .

Sorry that I don't agree with promoting scams. Curing a disease that doesn't exist is doing something that works for you. It's wasting money on things you don't need.

What are you talking about ? Why are you so emotionally invested ?

This thread is about a course that talks about leaky gut syndrome, adrenal fatigue and detoxes amongst other things. The first 2 don't exist and the third is pointless. You came in saying that we shouldn't say anything against it otherwise we are the PC brigade. If I see ridiculous things I will speak out. The reason why I care is I hate seeing vulnerable people being taken advantage of. I have a chronic illness and hear so many crazy things touted as cures (there is no cure for my disease) every day and see people who are so desperate that they spend hundreds on these cures only to find in the best case scenario they don't work and in the worst it makes their symptoms worse.

^^ This

I know a lot of hippies and counterculture types. I know one who literally died refusing "traditional Western medicine" for her cancer, which could have been cured otherwise. The other spent years seeking herbal and diet cures for his diabetes and now is permanently disabled in a nursing home. He used to preach at me all the time about what Dr. Mercola said - before he went blind and became so addled from dementia that he can't remember how to use a computer, surf the web, or even what the man said anymore. He spent hundred of dollars a month for years on their snake oil. So yes, they make me angry.

NotEmphatic wrote: »

It is offensive to have healthy people scream CICO, CICO, CICO!!

It obviously is not "offensive" to point out that weight loss is based on CICO (although you may find specific things make a difference to your ability to keep a particular balance of CI to CO and some have health problems like hypothyroid that affect CO). No one "screams" CICO, that's frankly ridiculous.

However, why I responded is to point out that this thread has NOTHING to do with CICO or weight loss, really. Perhaps you failed to read it?

NotEmphatic wrote: »

I have followed the discussions for many months now.
There are many [people of the religious and caveman-like mindset who scream CICO the loudest.
Who are so quick to Woo!! and say...Nah, you are wrong...it's all and totally about what you cram in your facehole.
This thinking is what has stymied any sort of genuine, academic and scientific enquiry for as long as we have been around.
The so-called 'helpers' on this forum may be causing more harm than good.
A person can't lose weight and they get the CICO mantra spat out at them.
My statins may cause muscle pain, tremors and perhaps even long-term liver damage.
We do not know yet.
But, I do know a stroke will kill me even at a blessed BMI value.
I will keep my faith in proven western pharmocology.
Cheers.

I am utterly confused at what point you are trying to make in this post. Totally baffling.

Statins are good? CICO bad?

Okay, what does that have to do with the thread?

BTW, I have, well, had, high cholesterol. I'm appalled you think Dr. Fung is your going to be lord and dietary savior when it comes to what you need to "put in your mouth". And I don't need to take statins.

PS... I hope you're exercising. I never see the Fung disciples who bang on about the miracle cure of keto for cholesterol issues talk about the proven link exercise has in reducing cholesterol.

gpokerlund wrote: »

Leaky gut is legit! People who dont believe it are ignorant or not educated enough to understand the impact our gut flora has on our overall health.

Please provide evidence.

NotEmphatic wrote: »

Perhaps my phrasing was confusing.
I did read many pages of this thread until I had to log off in despair.
The OP was roundly condemned for asking about holistic and complimentary approaches.
She was heckled by the peanut gallery and I found it distasteful in the extreme.
The OP was embarking on a quest for knowledge and got slammed by the *kitten*-Eyed CICO fundamentalists.
I won't post links because all of us can google sufficiently well.
I am intrigued by the new studies on placebo science - why placebos work...the power of the mind over the mechanical and biological human body.
Are you all going to Super Woo!! this?
Many eminent and sceptical scientists are looking into this wonderful and confusing field.
"There are more things, Horatio, than are dreamed of in your Philosophy..."
(Apologies to the Bard).
Best Wishes to All.)

I'm confused on how being skeptical of holistic practitioners = CICO fundamentalists. They are two unrelated concepts.