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Do diets work?

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  • TR0berts
    TR0berts Posts: 7,739 Member
    stanmann571 wrote: »
    TR0berts wrote: »
    Irishman1970 wrote: »
    singingflutelady wrote: »
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    janejellyroll wrote: »
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    KeithWhiteJr wrote: »
    Irishman1970 wrote: »
    Like I said you all eat whatever you want I really don't care - but I still hold firm - a salad with chicken breast is better than a Carls jr Cheeseburger

    And a salad with a cut up cheeseburger on top is better than a double chicken rodeo sandwich from burger king.

    nice moving bar you got here - I am speaking about a chicken breast plane you are talking about a BBQ sauce covered sandwich with white bread buns

    Moving bar?

    You're the one who has been changing the context of your "perfect meal" throughout the whole conversation.

    First you were talking about chicken breast with lemon and bell pepper. Then it became salad with chicken and balsamic vinegar. Then we moved to chicken breast with some nuts and complex carbohydrates.

    Please don't talk about moving the bar.

    who said anything about a perfect meal all i said was a for the same calorie load you can get 4 times the amount of food and its more nutritious

    What if you can't eat 4 times the food?

    when you are trying to be fit you need the nutrients you can't get all your nutrition and a 1000 Calories burger and stay under your calorie load for the day unless you are an elite athlete that can burn those calories BTW 1000 calories is 5mile hike for the average 150 pound woman +/-

    Of course you can. Especially if - as you keep mentioning - that burger is half your Calories. I just threw together a daily meal plan that includes 10 servings of vegetables, 4 McDonald's burgers, some chicken breast, and some eggs for 2053 Cals. It has 141 g protein, 54 g fat, and 235 g carbs.

    My deficit is 2300. I’ve got room for a donut.


    You’re my hero

    I'm here for you, man.
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited February 2018
    Irishman1970 wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    Irishman1970 wrote: »

    that's the point - you don't need 5 servings to get the same nutrition - people will throw burgers into their DIET and then trying to understand why they are not making the same losses or gains as the person eating more nutrient dense food - Chicken - Fish - lean cuts of beef - less sugar more vegetables
    like I said I will crash and burn once in a while and indulge but its NOT part of my plan for fitness - its a deviation - and outlier

    The losses and gains are created by the amount of calories that one consumes relative to how much energy one is using. Yeah, some calorie-dense foods like burgers can make it more difficult to meet a specific calorie goal (assuming one is trying to reduce calories), but this can be adjusted for by planning other meals around the higher calorie meal or choosing a lower calorie option (not every burger has to have 1,000+ calories). There are lots of successful people here who are meeting their health, weight, and fitness goals and still having foods like burgers (or pizza or pasta or whatever food you want to believe is so inherently harmful).

    Choosing to have a burger (or a cookie or a slice of pizza or a glass of wine) isn't "crashing and burning," it's just life. And in the context of a diet that is meeting your nutritional needs (which is what everyone here is recommending), there's nothing harmful about it.

    If someone is a volume eater and wants to have larger servings of lower calorie food, that's perfectly understandable. But not everyone is like that. Some people like smaller servings of more calorie-dense food (or, like many, they mix different types of food).

    I legitimately don't understand why someone would care about the strategies that people use to meet the goals of meeting nutritional needs/calorie goals, having satiating meals, and enjoying their lives.

    Your strategy may not be my strategy. Why is that a problem?

    Its not a problem - the OP asked about diet

    Oh, what did OP ask? Maybe check the first post here again.
    a diet(in the context she was using it) is something you eventually go off of and untimely most like fail - fitness is a lifestyle a diet in her context is not a lifestyle its temporary fix to get her to a short term unsustainable goal without lifestyle changes

    Again, what is this question you were answering? Diet does not mean what you seem to think it means (i.e., inherently no concern about fitness or nutrition).
  • DJ_Skywalker
    DJ_Skywalker Posts: 420 Member
    Someone pass the rum
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  • brittyn3
    brittyn3 Posts: 481 Member
    DJ_Skywalker wrote: »
    Someone pass the rum

    I filled my water bottle at work with vodka - no one knows. teehee
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  • juliemouse83
    juliemouse83 Posts: 6,663 Member
    Holy moly! I finally made it to the end!

    I just do my best to hit my macro/calorie goals (sometimes I do, sometimes I don't because I find macros more difficult than calorie control) and don't demonize my food preferences, because I know myself well enough to understand that too many boneless, skinless, tasteless chicken breasts will make me fly into the arms of my favorite fast food restaurant. If I want the burger, I will have it. And I was super glad when Hardee's and Carl's Jr. became one, because when I moved away from California in the early 80's I missed the Western Bacon Cheeseburger from there the most. Now I can get one in NC any time I want. B)
  • BrianSharpe
    BrianSharpe Posts: 9,248 Member
    slossia wrote: »
    Am I the only one who sees that diets don’t work! I’ve been reading all the posts on all these threads on MFP, and see that everyone is always dieting and always needing to loose weight! Weight watchers, slim fast, CICO, And the worst offender, eat less and exercise more!! You are what you eat, not how much you eat! Spend your life eating junk food , processed meat , sugary foods, and then think it’s okay as long as you eat in moderation!! Won’t work!!

    If I am what I eat I'm pizza!...... ever hear of the Twinkie Diet?

    cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    lemurcat12 wrote: »
    stanmann571 wrote: »
    Irishman1970 wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    Irishman1970 wrote: »
    stanmann571 wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    Irishman1970 wrote: »

    are you asking me to provide with peer reviewed dietary analysis that a bacon western cheeseburger is less healthy than a chicken breast with balsamic salad?

    No, people are asking specifically about the context of the overall diet. We are not asking you to compare two specific meals.

    We're asking why the person who meets their nutritional needs with a variety of foods including a bacon cheeseburger is better off than the person who is meeting their nutritional needs while excluding bacon cheeseburgers (and, presumably, their components -- beef, bacon, cheese, and bread).

    Foods don't exist in a vacuum, they exist in the context of an overall diet. That is what people are asking you about.

    Although, a bacon cheeseburger is probably more balanced than a balsamic vinegar salad with chicken breast.

    nah
    2 meats and nitrates - lettuce onion ring and BBq sauce (sugar) vs. Chicken breast peppers - still lettuce - tomatos - cucumbers - hard boiled eggs vinegar AND 1/2 the calories

    Why are two meats worse than one meat?

    What on earth is wrong with lettuce and onion rings?

    I was combining them as there is not real nutritional benefit difference between the 2 - What on earth is wrong with lettuce and onion rings? - nothing - I just like my onion sauteed not breaded

    Breaded?? That's also a crime against humanity. Onions should be raw. especially on a bacon cheeseburger.

    I'll gladly take up to 1/3 of a large onion on my Cheeseburger.

    I think this conversation is giving us insight into the kind of burger Irishman1970 likes (BBQ sauce, breaded onion rings on it). Interesting that he assumes that's the kind of burger everyone else wants.

    Not, of course, that it couldn't fit into a reasonable diet on occasion if it was what someone enjoyed.

    Eating tons of chicken breast daily seems to me more of an issue (lack of variety) than occasionally having a bacon cheeseburger.

    I also don't get how someone who seems to think fat and carbs are bad gets to 4000+ calories. It can't all be lemon chicken breast and salad with vinegar.

    It's a good point -- these conversations always seem to wind up suggesting what the dietary prohibitionist in question thinks they would eat in the absence of certain internal restrictions.

    To me, the Carls Jr Bacon Western Cheeseburger looks a bit bland and a bit gross (no judgment meant to those who enjoy them, I'm sure I enjoy things that look bland and gross to some) and I can't imagine wanting to eat it. For it to get held up as some sort of hedonistic cheeseburger delight is . . . a bit funny to me.

    There are delicious looking bacon cheeseburgers in the world, that just doesn't strike me as one of them.
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