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Do diets work?
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Irishman1970 wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »DJ_Skywalker wrote: »Eeek .. I can’t keto and only have lean meat ... where’s the bacon?!?
You can - I say I prefer lean - actually bacon is quite healthy - you have to bit the bullet on the fat -but in Keto you burn that quickly
So wait. You're allowed to eat less-than-perfect foods because you determine the positives outweigh the negatives.
But if we do that and eat a cheeseburger, we're gonna die???
Please tell me there's a point in this thread where you went from legit arguing to just messing with us. Because the alternative is that you are just vomiting facts you've read on click-bait websites and genuinely have no idea what any of it means.
I mean, at this point, you're practically arguing with your own posts from earlier in the thread.
My philosophy - Low sugar - high protein(lean) - healthy fats - try to avoid saturated fat as much as possible - low carbs high fiber - at least half my body weight in ounces of water - Keto when Cutting Paleo when bulking - induldge every so often but not often
That sounds reasonable if restrictive. Why do you think that what works for you must work for everyone else?7 -
Irishman1970 wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »DJ_Skywalker wrote: »Eeek .. I can’t keto and only have lean meat ... where’s the bacon?!?
You can - I say I prefer lean - actually bacon is quite healthy - you have to bit the bullet on the fat -but in Keto you burn that quickly
So wait. You're allowed to eat less-than-perfect foods because you determine the positives outweigh the negatives.
But if we do that and eat a cheeseburger, we're gonna die???
Please tell me there's a point in this thread where you went from legit arguing to just messing with us. Because the alternative is that you are just vomiting facts you've read on click-bait websites and genuinely have no idea what any of it means.
I mean, at this point, you're practically arguing with your own posts from earlier in the thread.
My philosophy - Low sugar - high protein(lean) - healthy fats - try to avoid saturated fat as much as possible - low carbs high fiber - at least half my body weight in ounces of water - Keto when Cutting Paleo when bulking - induldge every so often but not often
That sounds reasonable if restrictive. Why do you think that what works for you must work for everyone else?
Because all carbs are sugar and sugar is the Devil's work.7 -
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VintageFeline wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »DJ_Skywalker wrote: »Eeek .. I can’t keto and only have lean meat ... where’s the bacon?!?
You can - I say I prefer lean - actually bacon is quite healthy - you have to bit the bullet on the fat -but in Keto you burn that quickly
So wait. You're allowed to eat less-than-perfect foods because you determine the positives outweigh the negatives.
But if we do that and eat a cheeseburger, we're gonna die???
Please tell me there's a point in this thread where you went from legit arguing to just messing with us. Because the alternative is that you are just vomiting facts you've read on click-bait websites and genuinely have no idea what any of it means.
I mean, at this point, you're practically arguing with your own posts from earlier in the thread.
My philosophy - Low sugar - high protein(lean) - healthy fats - try to avoid saturated fat as much as possible - low carbs high fiber - at least half my body weight in ounces of water - Keto when Cutting Paleo when bulking - induldge every so often but not often
That sounds reasonable if restrictive. Why do you think that what works for you must work for everyone else?
Because all carbs are sugar and sugar is the Devil's work.
Shoot, you're right - I forgot about that.1 -
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Irishman1970 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »DJ_Skywalker wrote: »Eeek .. I can’t keto and only have lean meat ... where’s the bacon?!?
You can - I say I prefer lean - actually bacon is quite healthy - you have to bit the bullet on the fat -but in Keto you burn that quickly
So wait. You're allowed to eat less-than-perfect foods because you determine the positives outweigh the negatives.
But if we do that and eat a cheeseburger, we're gonna die???
Please tell me there's a point in this thread where you went from legit arguing to just messing with us. Because the alternative is that you are just vomiting facts you've read on click-bait websites and genuinely have no idea what any of it means.
I mean, at this point, you're practically arguing with your own posts from earlier in the thread.
My philosophy - Low sugar - high protein(lean) - healthy fats - try to avoid saturated fat as much as possible - low carbs high fiber - at least half my body weight in ounces of water - Keto when Cutting Paleo when bulking - induldge every so often but not often
That sounds reasonable if restrictive. Why do you think that what works for you must work for everyone else?
Because all carbs are sugar and sugar is the Devil's work.
Shoot, you're right - I forgot about that.
carbs ARE sugar some complex some not
Nope - some carbs are fiber which cannot be converted to sugar.9 -
Irishman1970 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »DJ_Skywalker wrote: »Eeek .. I can’t keto and only have lean meat ... where’s the bacon?!?
You can - I say I prefer lean - actually bacon is quite healthy - you have to bit the bullet on the fat -but in Keto you burn that quickly
So wait. You're allowed to eat less-than-perfect foods because you determine the positives outweigh the negatives.
But if we do that and eat a cheeseburger, we're gonna die???
Please tell me there's a point in this thread where you went from legit arguing to just messing with us. Because the alternative is that you are just vomiting facts you've read on click-bait websites and genuinely have no idea what any of it means.
I mean, at this point, you're practically arguing with your own posts from earlier in the thread.
My philosophy - Low sugar - high protein(lean) - healthy fats - try to avoid saturated fat as much as possible - low carbs high fiber - at least half my body weight in ounces of water - Keto when Cutting Paleo when bulking - induldge every so often but not often
That sounds reasonable if restrictive. Why do you think that what works for you must work for everyone else?
Because all carbs are sugar and sugar is the Devil's work.
Shoot, you're right - I forgot about that.
carbs ARE sugar some complex some not
Carbs are starch, sugar, and fiber4 -
I don’t have to watch my Calories!! You’ll have to
You are watching them, I just opened your diary with pages of truth showing you watch your calories very closely, and seem to also eat edamame beans in many servings to try to get a particular level of protein...so much for not watching what you eat, you watch it like a hawk
I also know most people would say that monitoring calories to hit a certain level while making sure you eat only vegetables and hit a certain higher than necessary protein goal is one of those things called a "diet" too...
It is certainly true that some foods are better for you in certain circumstances than others, but you are using that to jump to all sorts of nonsense conclusions, as does a lot of the diet and food advice industry.
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how does one who is low carb get high fiber on their diet?3
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Irishman1970 wrote: »
What a joke!5 -
Irishman1970 wrote: »<stupid infographic snipped>[/img]
What a joke!
That infographic can fill up a woo bingo card all by itself. It's hard to believe they could concentrate so much stupid into one simple picture. It's stupider than a picture of a football bat.
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quiksylver296 wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »<<Snipped out that stupid infographic.>>
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-truth-about-cancer-series-is-untruthful-about-cancer/
And also: https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Ty_Bollinger1 -
janejellyroll wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »DJ_Skywalker wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »DJ_Skywalker wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »I just realized that our dear sweet Jane is arguing that it’s a good idea to eat cheeseburgers. I’m laughing right now.
And it’s only the contrarian who doesn’t see the humour
I noticed the same
Even someone who may not eat at meat at the moment still understands the science here.
Sadly, I know a few other people in real life that would argue the same as he is ... too stubborn
I argue better choices and when given a choice i eat the better choice
Better only in your mind, my young padawan
hmmmmm you want to lose weight - a jelly donut or a chicken breast
Why stop there?
From the people who brought you "Carls Jr Bacon Western Cheeseburger versus chicken breast with some nuts":
A handful of Skittles or a bunch of unseasoned kale?
A tumbler of bourbon or a piece of grilled salmon?
A entire deep dish pizza with sausage or some undressed zucchini noodles?
A bag of potato chips or a small bowl of plain fat-free yogurt?
Coming to your town soon in "Dichotomous Food Choices that Nobody, I mean but nobody, Is Really Facing"!
Change bourbon to rum and the choice is clear.
I feel like a tumbler of rum *and* some grilled salmon might count as a balanced pirate meal.
Works for me.1 -
singingflutelady wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »
Hahahahahahahah yup that's totally legit. You must be toying with us. You can't be a real personsingingflutelady wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »
Hahahahahahahah yup that's totally legit. You must be toying with us. You can't be a real person
I was wondering that myself earlier. He's not as random as the last artificial insanity we were inflicted with
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Irishman1970 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »DJ_Skywalker wrote: »Eeek .. I can’t keto and only have lean meat ... where’s the bacon?!?
You can - I say I prefer lean - actually bacon is quite healthy - you have to bit the bullet on the fat -but in Keto you burn that quickly
So wait. You're allowed to eat less-than-perfect foods because you determine the positives outweigh the negatives.
But if we do that and eat a cheeseburger, we're gonna die???
Please tell me there's a point in this thread where you went from legit arguing to just messing with us. Because the alternative is that you are just vomiting facts you've read on click-bait websites and genuinely have no idea what any of it means.
I mean, at this point, you're practically arguing with your own posts from earlier in the thread.
My philosophy - Low sugar - high protein(lean) - healthy fats - try to avoid saturated fat as much as possible - low carbs high fiber - at least half my body weight in ounces of water - Keto when Cutting Paleo when bulking - induldge every so often but not often
That sounds reasonable if restrictive. Why do you think that what works for you must work for everyone else?
Because all carbs are sugar and sugar is the Devil's work.
Shoot, you're right - I forgot about that.
carbs ARE sugar some complex some not
<sigh> We've been over this before when you couldn't accurately calculate how much sugar was in cereal.
All sugars are carbs, but not all carbs are sugar.8 -
janejellyroll wrote: »DJ_Skywalker wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »
But, you eat tuna out of a can
And grilled red meat.
...and smoked salmon, because ewwwwwwww! Seriously smoked salmon...toward the first several pages...he mentioned it with lemon chicken.
ETA: I want to thank everyone in this thread for helping me kill the last hour or so at work, with a few bonus giggles, no less.
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estherdragonbat wrote: »quiksylver296 wrote: »estherdragonbat wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »DJ_Skywalker wrote: »Irishman1970 wrote: »DJ_Skywalker wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »I just realized that our dear sweet Jane is arguing that it’s a good idea to eat cheeseburgers. I’m laughing right now.
And it’s only the contrarian who doesn’t see the humour
I noticed the same Even someone who may not eat at meat at the moment still understands the science here.
Sadly, I know a few other people in real life that would argue the same as he is ... too stubborn
I argue better choices and when given a choice i eat the better choice
Better only in your mind, my young padawan
hmmmmm you want to lose weight - a jelly donut or a chicken breast
Why stop there?
From the people who brought you "Carls Jr Bacon Western Cheeseburger versus chicken breast with some nuts":
A handful of Skittles or a bunch of unseasoned kale?
A tumbler of bourbon or a piece of grilled salmon?
A entire deep dish pizza with sausage or some undressed zucchini noodles?
A bag of potato chips or a small bowl of plain fat-free yogurt?
Coming to your town soon in "Dichotomous Food Choices that Nobody, I mean but nobody, Is Really Facing"!
Change bourbon to rum and the choice is clear.
I don't think I could drink a tumbler of ANYTHING alcoholic (unless we include mixed drinks involving fruit juice or something; I MIGHT be able to manage a tequila sunrise). Sadly, I don't eat fish either. I guess neither option's going to work for me. Bring on the Nestle salted caramel frozen Greek yogurt sandwiches!
Wait!!! What?!?
Dinner edit: Bacon onion ring cheeseburger, with one of those for dessert!
https://www.madewithnestle.ca/real-dairy/real-dairy-salted-caramel-frozen-greek-yogourt-sandwiches
Still working through. Of all the stuff floating and sinking in this thread. This ^^^ is what made my jaw drop. Nicely done! I'mma have to see if I can find these when my next pay comes in.3 -
ALL DIETS WORK if you follow instructions. They all follow a deficit plan for weight loss. ADHERENCE to the diet is the issue. Not many people can stick to a diet that deprives them of things they like to enjoy.
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
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Looks like we're never going to find out if it was a bot or a real life person.1
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ALL DIETS WORK if you follow instructions. They all follow a deficit plan for weight loss. ADHERENCE to the diet is the issue. Not many people can stick to a diet that deprives them of things they like to enjoy.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Apparently our only choices are deprivation or death...4 -
ALL DIETS WORK if you follow instructions. They all follow a deficit plan for weight loss. ADHERENCE to the diet is the issue. Not many people can stick to a diet that deprives them of things they like to enjoy.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Apparently our only choices are deprivation or death...
Yes. Apparently there's no possibility whatsoever of a reasonable, sensible middle ground which takes personal preferences, context and dosage into consideration. Only one extreme or the other.10 -
ALL DIETS WORK if you follow instructions. They all follow a deficit plan for weight loss. ADHERENCE to the diet is the issue. Not many people can stick to a diet that deprives them of things they like to enjoy.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Apparently our only choices are deprivation or death...
Yes. Apparently there's no possibility whatsoever of a reasonable, sensible middle ground which takes personal preferences, context and dosage into consideration. Only one extreme or the other.
Hamburgers or chicken breasts. Kale or twinkies. Cake or death.8 -
Bacon cheeseburgers, Little Debbie Swiss Rolls and Costco Chocolate Cake for life x6
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Im going to eat what I want and as long as my health markers continue to improve thats all that matters. who knows I could be sitting on the toilet and have an aneurysm,either way you arent getting out of this world alive. even the healthiest person who eats the healthiest may get hit by a bus crossing the street.7
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ALL DIETS WORK if you follow instructions. They all follow a deficit plan for weight loss. ADHERENCE to the diet is the issue. Not many people can stick to a diet that deprives them of things they like to enjoy.
A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Apparently our only choices are deprivation or death...
Yes. Apparently there's no possibility whatsoever of a reasonable, sensible middle ground which takes personal preferences, context and dosage into consideration. Only one extreme or the other.
Hamburgers or chicken breasts. Kale or twinkies. Cake or death.
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VintageFeline wrote: »Looks like we're never going to find out if it was a bot or a real life person.
Exactly the same behavior as last time... as soon as his/it's humanity was questioned... BAM! no more posts
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stanmann571 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Looks like we're never going to find out if it was a bot or a real life person.
Exactly the same behavior as last time... as soon as his/it's humanity was questioned... BAM! no more posts
Except they didn't deactivate, they were, uhm, shown the door.5 -
VintageFeline wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Looks like we're never going to find out if it was a bot or a real life person.
Exactly the same behavior as last time... as soon as his/it's humanity was questioned... BAM! no more posts
Except they didn't deactivate, they were, uhm, shown the door.
Oh. Bummer3 -
VintageFeline wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »VintageFeline wrote: »Looks like we're never going to find out if it was a bot or a real life person.
Exactly the same behavior as last time... as soon as his/it's humanity was questioned... BAM! no more posts
Except they didn't deactivate, they were, uhm, shown the door.
This is going to sound completely stupid, but how do you know it's a bot? Or rather how would a non human even be able to post like that?
You guys can all loudly laugh at me if that question is seriously as stupid as it sounds...1 -
DJ_Skywalker wrote: »Bacon cheeseburgers, Little Debbie Swiss Rolls and Costco Chocolate Cake for life x
I feel like you get me..1
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