March 2018 Running Challenge

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  • PastorVincent
    PastorVincent Posts: 6,668 Member
    6 miles dreadmill. Normally don't like the dreadmill, especially on nice days like today, but trying to target a specific pace for a specific distance and I don't do so well with targeting a specific pace outside on my own.

    That is EXACTLY why I am doing some many dreadmill runs now. I am trying to up my pace, but if I just go run 10 miles, it will be a good 2 mins over where I am trying to get. The fact I can do 8min miles with a steady 4% grade for 10 miles on the dreadmill means I am a lot faster than the 9:30-10:30 I run when outside solo.

    I have noticed that the more time I spend running at a faster pace on the dreadmill, the faster I run outside. So probably be bumping my dreadmill pace again soon now that I can do 10 miles and not feel spent at the end of it. Pretty sure I could do 13.1 on the dreadmill at 4% grade and 8 mins now - if I could get over how much time I am spending standing in place :lol:

    I also have noticed that when I drop the dreadmill from my work out, my outside pace slowly slips away. So probably going to keep it in my routine for as long as I have access to the fancy pants ones at work.
  • PastorVincent
    PastorVincent Posts: 6,668 Member
    MobyCarp wrote: »
    @PastorVincent - I'm glad you solved the footpod vs. dreadmill mystery. I don't know that I would trust either one. The footpod has all the issues you identified. There is an economic incentive for dreadmill manufacturers to make users think they ran faster and further so I would expect any dreadmill measurement error to be biased in that direction.

    A piece of anecdata for you: I've worn a Garmin 620 or 630 on indoor track workouts without GPS signal. It tracks cadence from an accelerometer in the watch, no footpod; a footpod should be more accurate. It does autocalibrate from my running with GPS. I've found that it under-records the known track distance at an easy pace, but over-records the known track distance when I'm running hard. A buddy who has a 610, with footpod, sees the same thing but with less error because the footpod is inherently more accurate than the watch-mounted accelerometer.

    In any case, the error from footpod or wrist mounted watch wasn't big enough to worry about on the scale of how many training miles I ran. I didn't care much about the Garmin-reported pace for those workouts, as the important thing was typically timed intervals of known track distance.

    I used to use the watch without a pod but found it was inconsistently different. I think that is because if I grab a drink from my water bottle, or adjust settings on the dreadmill, or wave at someone, or etc the watch though I stopped because my arm was not swinging. The foot pod and the dreadmill have been very consistently different, to the point I could pretty much guess what the other said based on knowing only one.

    I trust the dreadmill numbers but that is in part because it does not matter at my level. They will be close enough especially since in nice weather I do most of my runs outside. If a few runs are a little short/slow it will all come out in the wash. Plus, like I mentioned above, it is having a positive impact on my running. If all the numbers are run, and I am still improving, then I really do not care about the numbers :) I do think the fancy pants dreadmills at work are pretty accurate though. Mine at home, I am not sure about. I plan to measure and check it soon.
  • kgirlhart
    kgirlhart Posts: 5,170 Member
    March goal: 96 miles

    3/1: 5 miles
    3/4: 9 miles
    3/6: 4.1 miles
    3/7: 4.6 miles
    3/8: 5 miles
    3/11: 10.5 miles
    3/13: 5 miles (intervals)
    3/14: 5.2 miles
    3/15: 3 miles
    3/18: 11.3 miles
    3/20: 5 miles
    3/21: 5 miles
    3/22: 3.9 miles

    76.6/96 miles completed

    Discouraging run today. It was hot and it was windy. I got home and I was at 3.9 but I just didn't have that extra .1 mile in me.


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  • kgirlhart
    kgirlhart Posts: 5,170 Member
    Question for @HonuNui or anyone really. Does sunscreen expire? I found an almost full bottle in the back of the bathroom cabinet, but I didn't know if it was still good.
  • Purplebunnysarah
    Purplebunnysarah Posts: 3,252 Member
    @juliet3455 Third Winter almost makes me want to move back to BC.

    Plus once the road bans are on work gets deader than a doornail.
  • HonuNui
    HonuNui Posts: 1,464 Member

    March goal: March

    3/1 3.41
    3/2 3.68
    3/3 3.12
    3/4 rest
    3/5 6.50
    3/6 3.23
    3/7 5.56
    3/8 rest
    3/9 3.41
    3/10 4.01
    3/11 rest
    3/12 3.12
    3/13 4.00
    3/14 We took the living room and moved it downstairs to the dining room, moved the dining room to the library...
    3/15 and moved the library into the bedroom, which we moved upstairs into the former living room....heavy lifting....cleaning.....scrubbing.....furniture moving...
    3/16 3.00
    3/17 2.09
    3/18 3.09
    3/19 installed all new window coverings, sewed new chair cushions
    3/20 3.65
    3/21 life
    3/22 2.25

    Total 54.12
    @kgirlhart Mayo clinic says 3 years, but there is often an expiration date on the container...
    @MobyCarp ouchie.....

    Ticker is my goal for 2018 and progress to date:

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  • ddmom0811
    ddmom0811 Posts: 1,881 Member
    @lporter229 - thanks for soul searching. It is making me rethink my running as well. I want to run forever also and try to not worry about speed. But, it is addictive as you said.

    Rest day. I think. Unless I decide to lift after school. But big cycling weekend so I should rest. ;)

    3/1 - rest day
    3/2 - 5 miles + Strength training - W6-C
    3/3 - 26 miles cycling
    3/4 - 3 miles + strength training -w6-D
    3/5 - 3.5 miles + strength training W7-A
    3/6 - 4.5 miles
    3/7 - strength training W7-B
    3/8 - 4.5 miles + strength training W7-C
    3/9 - REST DAY!
    3/10 - 3.2 miles + strength training W7-D
    3/11 - 51 miles cycling
    3/12 - rest day
    3/13 -10K for the Run for the Deep + Strength training W8-C
    3/14 - Strength training W8-D
    3/15 - 4.5 miles w/tabatas
    3/16 - Strength training W8-A
    3/17 - 34 miles cycling
    3/18 - 47 miles cycling
    3/19 - 4 miles on treadmill.
    3/20 - 3.5 with tabatas
    3/21 - Strength training W8-D repeating week 8
    3/22 - 4.5 miles
    3@3 = REST


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  • Teresa502
    Teresa502 Posts: 1,862 Member
    sarahthes wrote: »
    @juliet3455 Third Winter almost makes me want to move back to BC.

    Plus once the road bans are on work gets deader than a doornail.

    What are road bans? People can't drive on the roads?
  • Teresa502
    Teresa502 Posts: 1,862 Member
    March 3 – 10.02 miles
    March 4 – 4.00 miles
    March 5 – 5.26 miles
    March 7 – 5.00 miles
    March 9 – 5.00 miles (treadmill)
    March 10 – 10.00 miles
    March 12 – 5.10 slow miles (treadmill)
    March 14 – 1 mile
    March 15 – 3.5 miles
    March 16 – 4.08 miles (Shamrock 4-miler; 3rd in AG)
    March 17 – 9.89 miles
    March 19 – 5.03 miles
    March 20 – 5.3 miles (Birthday Run)
    March 23 – 10.01 miles

    Thanks to everyone for all the advice on running form. Today I concentrated on squeezing my butt cheeks, thrusting my hips forward and relaxing my shoulders. Never really felt my shoulders were tensed up but in race pictures I’ve noticed that my hands are practically in my face so I tried to focus on dropping them down. I did my long run today since we’re supposed to be getting snow and/or rain in the morning.

    Upcoming Races:
    April 7 – Cooper River Bridge Run
    May 6 – Pittsburgh Half Marathon
    September 7-8 – Blue Ridge Relay
    October 20 – Cherokee Harvest Half Marathon

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  • Purplebunnysarah
    Purplebunnysarah Posts: 3,252 Member
    Teresa502 wrote: »
    sarahthes wrote: »
    @juliet3455 Third Winter almost makes me want to move back to BC.

    Plus once the road bans are on work gets deader than a doornail.

    What are road bans? People can't drive on the roads?

    Basically during spring thaw heavy trucks are banned from the gravel/dirt road system to keep them from getting torn up (because they will get churned to mud).

    A lot (but not all) of our work comes in from those remote sites so things get pretty slow.
  • MNLittleFinn
    MNLittleFinn Posts: 4,271 Member
    March goal: Run END-SURE well, stay healthy and enter the final stages of Zumbro training
    Nominal mileage goal: Let's say 140? I really don't know. Real plan is to follow training and coach's advice well.

    3/1- REST
    3/2- 4.3
    3/3- 13.3
    3/4- 14.3
    3/5- REST
    3/6- 7.4
    3/7- 6.7
    3/8- REST
    3/9- 4.2
    3/10- 24.8
    3/11- 11.4
    3/12- REST
    3/13- 9.3
    3/14- 6.7
    3/15- REST
    3/16- 4.4
    3/17- 19
    3/18- 13.5
    3/19- REST
    3/20- 4.3
    3/21- 6.9
    3/22- 3.6
    3/23- 5.1

    Total: 159.2

    Today's notes: 45 minutes easy road this morning. Got in just under 5.2 according to my Garmin, so 5.1 I'll call it. Tomorrow is sure to be interesting, with 6-9 inches (15-23cm) of snow falling on the race course between 1300 today and 0700 tomorrow. Glad it's a somewhat shorter race.

    Have a Runderful day everyone!

    2018 races
    3/24- END-SURE 50k
    4/13- Zumbro Endurance Race 100 Mile
    7/28- Minnesota Voyageur 50
    9/8- Superior Trail 50 mile
    10/20- Wild Duluth 50k
  • karllundy
    karllundy Posts: 1,490 Member
    3/1 - Rest / sick
    3/2 - Rest / sick
    3/3 - 4.25 miles. Beautiful day to run!
    3/4 - 4.5 miles. Wanted to do more, but ran out of gas.
    3/5 - Rest.
    3/6 - 4 treadmill miles. Trek class with a new instructor. She really likes inclines.
    3/7 - 4 treadmill miles.
    3/7 - Kids wanted to go to Y after dinner. So I did 30 minutes of weights and abs.
    3/8 - 4.1 treadmill miles. Trek class. Fewer hills, lots of tempo...fun!
    3/9 - Rest / travel day.
    3/10 - 3.1 treadmill miles, then quick strength. Rickety hotel treadmill.
    3/11 - Rest / travel day.
    3/12 - 6.2 miles. Gorgeous afternoon to run.
    3/13 - Unplanned rest day.
    3/14 - 4 treadmill miles, then upper body weights and abs.
    3/15 - 5 treadmill miles. Trek Class. Ouch! Does anyone really need to do tempo / sprint pace on incline 8?!?
    3/16 - Housework, shopping, no run.
    3/17 - 3.5 treadmill miles, then weights and abs.
    3/18 - 8 miles. Cool, overcast and no wind = great day to run!
    3/20 - 4.3 miles.
    3/21 - 4 treadmill miles, then upper body weights and abs.
    3/22 - 4 treadmill miles. Trek Class. Lots of tempo...it was enjoyable.
    3/23 - 4.7 miles.

    67.65/80
  • fitoverfortymom
    fitoverfortymom Posts: 3,452 Member
    AlphaHowls wrote: »
    @AlphaHowls - Wow, you run a crap ton of miles with little rest. Do you have an injury prevention routine? Do you mind sharing? Thanks!

    Not really anything too grand. I am not fast, I am just enjoying myself, there really is no race in me. I am not into being any faster. The only improvement I desire is to go farther. I have been injured, but not by running. It is just age and life. I do not look into my times so much, only how much further can I go. My job is sedentary and my escape is to run so I can process the junk in my head. My cross training so to speak is yard work on my off days...lots of yard work. Before I run, I stretch. I am trying to work through my hip flexor being too tight, but so far it has not stopped me. Chiropractor wishes I would not run so much, I just tell him to fix it when I am down.

    TLDR: do not run fast, you could fall and get hurt...

    @AlphaHowls I love this explanation with all my soul.
  • Teresa502
    Teresa502 Posts: 1,862 Member
    sarahthes wrote: »
    Teresa502 wrote: »
    sarahthes wrote: »
    @juliet3455 Third Winter almost makes me want to move back to BC.

    Plus once the road bans are on work gets deader than a doornail.

    What are road bans? People can't drive on the roads?

    Basically during spring thaw heavy trucks are banned from the gravel/dirt road system to keep them from getting torn up (because they will get churned to mud).

    A lot (but not all) of our work comes in from those remote sites so things get pretty slow.

    Gotcha! Thanks for the explanation!
  • 7lenny7
    7lenny7 Posts: 3,498 Member
    edited March 2018
    @MNLittleFinn between Wild Duluth and now the forecast for ENDSURE, you seem to be a magnet for tough race weather. That makes me concerned about Zumbro! Stay safe up there this weekend!

    @dreamer12151 so sorry to hear about your tough going. I do hope you can get that figured out soon!

    @fitoverfortymom I dont' know about that pack in particular but Osprey is a very good brand, and with REI, you can always take it back if it doesn't work out for you. As far as trail racing, I find that while I'm all about the finish during a road race, when I'm in a trail race, it's about more a group effort. If someone nearby falls, you stop and make sure they're ok. If you find yourself running the same pace as someone else, you strike up a conversation. At the end of the race, it's not, "how did you place", but "how did your race go for you?". It's definitely more of a community effort and everyone is pulling for everyone else.

    @girlinahat that guy is awesome! When I see something like that I get inspired, and I feel guilty for bitching about trivial matters.

    @amymoreorless did you see the link posted by @lporter229 ? https://cincinnatifootcare.com/foot-care-tips-for-runners/ Check out #5 -
    if you find yourself scrunching your toes (blisters at the tips) consider lacing shoes a little tighter.
    I think it was you who asked about blisters on the tips of your toes.

    @__TMac__ thanks for that podcast suggestion. I'll have to check it out. For anyone interested, here's the link: http://thattriathlonshow.libsyn.com/brain-training-and-psychobiology-of-endurance-performance-with-professor-samuele-marcora-ep17

    @garygse well done helping that girl. How old was she? In my mid I'm thinking a young teenager but can't imagine she'd be released with no adult to take care of her.

    @lporter229 I find myself skipping trail runs sometimes because the closest trail is 10 to 15 minutes away if I drive. I think to myself that if I start the run from my driveway, that's 2 or 3 more miles I could run in the time it takes to drive to a trail. I need to quit thinking that and do more midweek trail runs (which I'm currently doing as my 50M race looms large). It's good to figure out what it is about running which brings you the most joy. And there no reason it can't be more than one aspect, even if those aspects appear conflicting. My absolute favorite run in a long, slow trail run all by myself in the middle of the forest. That's when I feel closest to God and closest to myself. By I also love a good race...pushing myself, passing others, finishing well and getting new PRs. As you say, there is certainly an adrenaline rush there. For me it's about balance. Trail running will always be my primary running love, but I'll continue to run paved races for the thrill of competition.



  • MNLittleFinn
    MNLittleFinn Posts: 4,271 Member
    edited March 2018
    @7lenny7 yeah, I'm hoping that Zumbro doesn't follow the pattern I've had. Looking at probably a 7-8 hour race, if all goes well..... big assumption there..... LONG range forecast has a high of 55 with periods of rain on the Friday and an overnight low of 33.... Saturday is supposed to be sunny and high of 51... of course, it's all voodoo for the next 2 weeks.
  • fitoverfortymom
    fitoverfortymom Posts: 3,452 Member
    @7lenny7 I adore REI and I'm just deciding now between the 6 or 1.5. Gonna try them on tonight and make my choice! That's exactly what I'm looking for in being on trail--it's a stronger sense of being part of something bigger than ourselves and finding my people.
  • lporter229
    lporter229 Posts: 4,907 Member
    @fitoverfortymom and @7lenny7 - Good to know that I am not the only one that gets caught up in the adrenaline rush of races, even if I don't really want to. As you both said, it's probably about finding a balance. @fitoverfortymom - I can't wait to hear all about your trail race and @7lenny7 -I always love hearing about your trail runs, especially the night runs with Kody. I wish Stella was a more patient runner. Maybe she needs to be introduce to a little zen trail running too!
  • juliet3455
    juliet3455 Posts: 3,015 Member
    sarahthes wrote: »
    Teresa502 wrote: »
    sarahthes wrote: »
    @juliet3455 Third Winter almost makes me want to move back to BC.
    Plus once the road bans are on work gets deader than a doornail.

    What are road bans? People can't drive on the roads?

    Basically during spring thaw heavy trucks are banned from the gravel/dirt road system to keep them from getting torn up (because they will get churned to mud).
    A lot (but not all) of our work comes in from those remote sites so things get pretty slow.

    @Teresa502 To add to @sarathes - to save the roads from damage the Transportation department will impose a maximum load weight restriction on transportation trucks. 50 to 75% depending on the road. So if your truck could haul 200,000 lbs/kgs during normal conditions you would be restricted to 100,000.
    If a load must get through companies will then add extra wheels to the truck/trailer combination to spread the weight out over more tires. An example image below where they have 3 extra load carrying axles at the front on a removal-able pony and a tri-axle trailer with a 2 axle jeep trailer added onto the back end. With 5 extra axles and so many extra tires they are real nasty to drive, need lots of room to turn because of the length and extra pivot point.
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  • 7lenny7
    7lenny7 Posts: 3,498 Member
    @7lenny7 yeah, I'm hoping that Zumbro doesn't follow the pattern I've had. Looking at probably a 7-8 hour race, if all goes well..... big assumption there..... LONG range forecast has a high of 55 with periods of rain on the Friday and an overnight low of 33.... Saturday is supposed to be sunny and high of 51... of course, it's all voodoo for the next 2 weeks.

    I know it's hard not to look at the long range forecast, but anything more than a week out is nothing but a wild *kitten* guess. there's no way they can accurately forecast conditions 3 weeks out. Any site which even publishes daily forecasts that far out loses credibility with me. I won't bother looking at the Zumbro forecast until the Sunday prior, and won't have faith in it until 2 days before.


  • lporter229
    lporter229 Posts: 4,907 Member
    3/1-10 miles
    3/2 -30 minutes swimming + 35 minutes yoga
    3/3-10 miles w/ 8 @ (a little slower than) tempo
    3/4-14 miles+stretching
    3/5-Rest Day
    3/6- Yoga+ 1.6 miles with Stella+ 5.3 miles speed work
    3/7-6 miles easy (1.9 with Stella, 4.1 solo)
    3/8-P90X3 Total Synergistics
    3/9-12 miles
    3/10-12 miles
    3/11-10 miles
    3/12_Rest day (very much needed!)
    3/13-8.2 miles (including 1.5 with Stella)+ Stretching
    3/14- Strength Training + 32 minutes stationary bike
    3/15-6 miles
    3/16- Strength Training + 30 minutes Elliptical
    3/17-3.1 miles- Shamrock Shuffle 5K
    3/18-9.4 miles- Heart Mini 15K
    3/19- Rest Day
    3/20-6.5 miles
    3/21-2.1 miles with Stella + P90X3 Dynamix
    3/22-6 miles

    Miles: 122.2/150
    Yoga/stretch: 4/12
    Strength/P90X3: 4/6
    Bonus cross training: 3 sessions

    Nothing overly exciting to report about last evening's run. Typical route, nice weather, easy pace. Overall an enjoyable but uneventful run. I did wear my new Asic's Nimbus shoes. They felt a little tight in the toe box and my feet were kind of tingly for most of my run. Maybe I will try a different lacing pattern next time. I hope they work out. I really don't want another pair of shoes I don't like. I have this problem with returning things that I need to get over. If you saw my closet full of shoes you would understand.

    Lats night in the middle of the night I woke up to go to the bathroom. I must have been still half asleep because when I stepped out of bed, somehow I landed with my toes curled under and I toppled over onto my butt. Today my foot is very sore as a result. I hope it doesn't give me issues on my 10 mile run tonight.

    We are supposed to get a heavy snow storm starting tomorrow morning. Just in time for our 8AM group run. At least I will have company to share in the misery. Two months ago I may have been excited by this news, but the daffodils are now up and I am over it.
  • lporter229
    lporter229 Posts: 4,907 Member
    7lenny7 wrote: »
    @7lenny7 yeah, I'm hoping that Zumbro doesn't follow the pattern I've had. Looking at probably a 7-8 hour race, if all goes well..... big assumption there..... LONG range forecast has a high of 55 with periods of rain on the Friday and an overnight low of 33.... Saturday is supposed to be sunny and high of 51... of course, it's all voodoo for the next 2 weeks.

    I know it's hard not to look at the long range forecast, but anything more than a week out is nothing but a wild *kitten* guess. there's no way they can accurately forecast conditions 3 weeks out. Any site which even publishes daily forecasts that far out loses credibility with me. I won't bother looking at the Zumbro forecast until the Sunday prior, and won't have faith in it until 2 days before.


    The only reason I ever check the forecast the weekend before a race is that I can usually feel pretty confident that WON'T be the actual weather on race day.
  • BruinsGal_91
    BruinsGal_91 Posts: 1,400 Member
    lporter229 wrote: »
    @alphahowls- Kudos to you. I love that philosophy. Please don't ever lose sight of it. As you may have noticed if you have read my recent posts, I am currently struggling with the dilemma of forgetting about speed in order to embrace the joy of running.

    My story is kind of ironic actually because what you wrote above used to be me. For years and years I ran just to run and because I enjoyed it. I did not care about speed and I rarely ever ran in organized races. Somewhere along the way I ran a few races and then a friend of mine convinced me to run a marathon with her. After all of that training, I naturally got faster and the next time I ran a race I realized that, by virtue of getting older and being a long time runner, I was actually competitive in my age group.

    Well, let me tell you, that adrenaline rush of giving it all you've got and finishing at the top of the pack is kind of addictive. So much so that I find it hard to not run all out in races, even if that is not what I had planned. But the truth is, I know that this is not what is best for me and that it actually hurts me as a runner. My goal is to be able to run, not win races or anything, just run, as long as I am able to walk. In order to do this, I know that I need to adapt that philosophy that I once had, your philosophy. I just need to run for the joy of running.


    I am looking forward to doing more trail running because I know that trail running embodies everything I love about running, the serenity and peace it brings, along with the sense of community rather than competition. I really wish that running trails was as convenient as running on the roads, because that is what is holding me back. My commitment to myself this summer is not to let that hold me back. I just need to make it happen then same way I make a run happen when it doesn't fit neatly into my schedule.

    Sorry for the rambles here. If you haven't noticed, I have been going through a bit of soul searching lately...

    Hah! This could be me. I started running in my late 30s. Wasn't particularly fast, but enjoyed it. Enjoyed it enough to keep doing it and even enter a few races. By then I was in my 40s and the 40-49 age-group is very competitive so I was never in danger of placing. Then I started training for a handful of half marathons and found I was getting faster. Next thing I knew, I was in my 50s and suddenly started placing in my races. It's a great feeling, but I'm also concerned I'm getting away from that whole running for the fun of it thing. I'm hoping the parkrun which has been set up near my home is going to help me get back to that.
  • MNLittleFinn
    MNLittleFinn Posts: 4,271 Member
    7lenny7 wrote: »
    @7lenny7 yeah, I'm hoping that Zumbro doesn't follow the pattern I've had. Looking at probably a 7-8 hour race, if all goes well..... big assumption there..... LONG range forecast has a high of 55 with periods of rain on the Friday and an overnight low of 33.... Saturday is supposed to be sunny and high of 51... of course, it's all voodoo for the next 2 weeks.

    I know it's hard not to look at the long range forecast, but anything more than a week out is nothing but a wild *kitten* guess. there's no way they can accurately forecast conditions 3 weeks out. Any site which even publishes daily forecasts that far out loses credibility with me. I won't bother looking at the Zumbro forecast until the Sunday prior, and won't have faith in it until 2 days before.


    I do for fun, I actually really don't care about weather for races, I'll go out there and finish it no matter what. It's all voodoo really, too many factors for real accuracy, even in short time frames. Considering the number of time's the forecast has been wrong even within a 24 hour period, I don't believe anything unless I observe it.

    On a side note, one meta-analysis I looked at, actually gives accuweather a high accuracy rating, and they are the ones who publish out more than 2 weeks.... it's all computer simulations anyway, based on historical data and current conditions.
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