March 2018 Running Challenge

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  • PastorVincent
    PastorVincent Posts: 6,668 Member
    edited March 2018
    Stoshew71 wrote: »
    PastorVincent wrote: »
    SO TRACKING QUESTION

    Today, as an example, I ran on the big fancy expensive dreadmills at the gym. I set the controls for 7.5 MPH (8 min pace) and random incline with an average of 4% grade. I ran for 61:15 and the dreadmill registered 7.65 miles. I overshot my hour target but that is a secondary point...

    I tracked the run using my Gramin 935 and Garmin footpod. I have run with the footpod many times outside on auto-calibrate. The Garmin claims I ran 7.99 miles (had I known I would have kept going lol) at 7:41 pace for the same 61:15 time.

    So which one is more likely to be correct?

    I am no expert, but as a guess... The dreadmill is measuring distance because it knows how fast that belt is moving and can figure out pretty accurately what the distance was.

    distance = speed (miles per minute the belt is moving) x time (minutes treadmill operating)

    The footpod? I do not know too much about how they work in accuracy, but I believe they are using gyroscopes to measure quick changes in movement to figure out how many steps you're taking, estimating when your feet are on the ground vs in the air, cadence, ect. My guess is that the footpod is estimating distance by counting your steps and then applying what your average stride length is. If I remember right, they say you have to run outdoors in GPS mode a few times for that thing to work and understand how you run? The only problem I would think with that is, people run differently on a treadmill (smooth belt going a constant speed and forcing you to maintain a certain pace) than outdoors (uneven surface that remains stationary). That and GPS distance is extremely inaccurate for measuring precise distances. (remember our discussion on running the tangents and how race courses are certified distances)

    DCRainmaker thinks highly of them: https://www.dcrainmaker.com/2011/01/garmin-ant-foot-pods-everything-you.html

    He says:
    I've found time and again that the latest generation of foot pods are incredibly accurate.

    But, rereading that I am remembering that I have not tried his calibration tool yet. I will have to do that and see what happens. That might change everything.

    ETA: No I will not :( It is Windows only. Bah.
  • fitoverfortymom
    fitoverfortymom Posts: 3,452 Member
    I have a 20% off full priced item coupon at REI and I'm going to pull the trigger on a hydration vest.

    Anyone familiar with the Osprey Dyna 6 or 1.5? I've tried a few on, and so far I like this one the most.
  • PastorVincent
    PastorVincent Posts: 6,668 Member
    @girlinahat Cool!
  • 7lenny7
    7lenny7 Posts: 3,498 Member
    MNLittleFinn wrote: »
    So, there's supposed to be 8 inches of snow from tomorrow morning through Saturday morning, right where my Saturday race is.... Seems like a decent amount of people are dropping already... AG placement for slow old me??? Bring it on!

    @MNLittleFinn enjoy! And have a great race! My strategy would be to stay in the back and let others pack the snow down for me.
  • MNLittleFinn
    MNLittleFinn Posts: 4,271 Member
    7lenny7 wrote: »
    MNLittleFinn wrote: »
    So, there's supposed to be 8 inches of snow from tomorrow morning through Saturday morning, right where my Saturday race is.... Seems like a decent amount of people are dropping already... AG placement for slow old me??? Bring it on!

    @MNLittleFinn enjoy! And have a great race! My strategy would be to stay in the back and let others pack the snow down for me.

    That's EXACTLY my plan. I'm back of the pack anyway, so I figure I should use it to my advantage.
  • lporter229
    lporter229 Posts: 4,907 Member
    @AlphaHowls - Wow, you run a crap ton of miles with little rest. Do you have an injury prevention routine? Do you mind sharing? Thanks!
  • lporter229
    lporter229 Posts: 4,907 Member
    This is a list of foot care tips for runners from a podiatrist who is part of our running group. I thought some of you might find it helpful.

    https://cincinnatifootcare.com/foot-care-tips-for-runners/
  • fitoverfortymom
    fitoverfortymom Posts: 3,452 Member
    @AlphaHowls You're a beast! (in the best way)
  • carolineb81
    carolineb81 Posts: 459 Member
    1/3-13.1
    2/3-rest
    3/3-3.2
    4/3-3.5
    5/3-5.5
    6/3-14.0
    7/3-rest
    8/3-4.2
    9/3-strength
    10/3-6.0
    11/3-3.7
    12/3-3.8
    13/3-16.0
    14/3-rest
    15/3-strength
    16/3-3.9
    17/3-7.5
    18/3-3.3
    19/3-13.9
    20/3-REST
    21/3-2.7
    22/3-6.5

    Total so far......111.2/150 Miles

    Slightly twingy knee today so taking tomorrow off as an additional rest day


    Upcoming races:
    15th April - Brighton 10k
    22nd April - London Marathon
  • lporter229
    lporter229 Posts: 4,907 Member
    fitoverfortymom wrote: »
    @AlphaHowls You're a beast! (in the best way)

    Agreed!
  • kevaasen
    kevaasen Posts: 173 Member
    lporter229 wrote: »
    @kevaasen- Interesting! Thanks for taking the time to do the calculations. It's interesting to see the comparison between our cadence and strides at a similar pace. What do you think beats you up more, running a 10K race or a long training run? For me, it would definitely be the race, even compared to a 20 mile run.
    /quote]

    Great question! Likely the race as well but the endurance of running a 20 mile training run is not easily dismissed as for me that would be closer to a 3 hour event and that produces a lot of time to have a different type of impact on both the body and for the mind (easier if I’m farther from car or home to finish the distance if/when my thoughts start having me wanting to stop etc).
  • abutcher2122
    abutcher2122 Posts: 175 Member
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  • PastorVincent
    PastorVincent Posts: 6,668 Member
    03/01/18 - Rest
    03/02/18 - 8 miles @ 8:51
    03/03/18 - 9 miles @ 9:29
    03/04/18 - Meetings instead of running
    03/05/18 - 11 miles @ 9:11
    03/06/18 - 11 miles @ 8:59
    03/07/18 - 10 miles @ 9:04
    03/08/18 - Planned rest
    03/09/18 - 7.5mph for 10 Miles @ 4% grade
    03/10/18 - Meetings
    03/11/18 - 20 miles @ 9:51
    03/12/18 - Bah.
    03/13/18 - 7.5 MPH for 7.5 miles at 4% Grade
    03/14/18 - 7.5 MPH for 7.5 miles at 4% Grade
    03/15/18 - 7.5 MPH for 10 miles at 4% Grade
    03/16/18 - Rest
    03/17/18 - Shamrock Shuffle 17.3 miles in total
    03/18/18 - Rest
    03/19/18 - Rest
    03/20/18 - 7 MPH for 7 Miles @ 4.5% grade
    03/21/18 - 7.5 MPH for 7.5 miles @ 4 % grade
    03/22/18 - 7.5 MPH for 10 miles @ 4% grade

    Big Hairy Audacious Goal: Sub 4 hours in Pittsburgh 2018!

    Official Marathon PR: 4:11:28

    Next Races (more as I find them):

    04/07/18 - Achilles 9.3 Challenge (10k and 5k back to back)
    05/06/18 - Pittsburgh Marathon - aiming for sub four hours.
    05/12/18 - Glacier Ridge 50k Trail Ultra (I must hate myself)

    2020 - Disney World Dopey! (if can raise funds)


    Did not have a lot of time, so just a short run on the dreadmill and then back to the rat race!
  • MNLittleFinn
    MNLittleFinn Posts: 4,271 Member
    March goal: Run END-SURE well, stay healthy and enter the final stages of Zumbro training
    Nominal mileage goal: Let's say 140? I really don't know. Real plan is to follow training and coach's advice well.

    3/1- REST
    3/2- 4.3
    3/3- 13.3
    3/4- 14.3
    3/5- REST
    3/6- 7.4
    3/7- 6.7
    3/8- REST
    3/9- 4.2
    3/10- 24.8
    3/11- 11.4
    3/12- REST
    3/13- 9.3
    3/14- 6.7
    3/15- REST
    3/16- 4.4
    3/17- 19
    3/18- 13.5
    3/19- REST
    3/20- 4.3
    3/21- 6.9
    3/22- 3.6

    Total: 154.1

    Today's notes: Waited until after work for my run. Took it easy, played around with my phone camera and had some fun. Got 3.6 trail miles in and got some decent photos, one of which was actually good enough for my instagram. All in all, a nice relaxing run to unwind.

    2018 races
    3/24- END-SURE 50k
    4/13- Zumbro Endurance Race 100 Mile
    7/28- Minnesota Voyageur 50
    9/8- Superior Trail 50 mile
    10/20- Wild Duluth 50k
  • MobyCarp
    MobyCarp Posts: 2,927 Member
    @PastorVincent - I'm glad you solved the footpod vs. dreadmill mystery. I don't know that I would trust either one. The footpod has all the issues you identified. There is an economic incentive for dreadmill manufacturers to make users think they ran faster and further so I would expect any dreadmill measurement error to be biased in that direction.

    A piece of anecdata for you: I've worn a Garmin 620 or 630 on indoor track workouts without GPS signal. It tracks cadence from an accelerometer in the watch, no footpod; a footpod should be more accurate. It does autocalibrate from my running with GPS. I've found that it under-records the known track distance at an easy pace, but over-records the known track distance when I'm running hard. A buddy who has a 610, with footpod, sees the same thing but with less error because the footpod is inherently more accurate than the watch-mounted accelerometer.

    In any case, the error from footpod or wrist mounted watch wasn't big enough to worry about on the scale of how many training miles I ran. I didn't care much about the Garmin-reported pace for those workouts, as the important thing was typically timed intervals of known track distance.
  • MobyCarp
    MobyCarp Posts: 2,927 Member
    March Running Totals (miles)
    3/1 – 5.57 easy
    3/2 – rest day
    3/3 – 16.09 paced run
    3/4 – 7.22 easy with hills
    3/5 – rest day
    3/6 – 6.21 easy with fast finish
    3/7 – 6.60 group run
    3/8 – 6.24 easy with fast finish
    3/9 – rest day
    3/10 – 18.07 paced run
    3/11 – 6.54 easy
    3/12 – rest day
    3/13 – 6.51 warmup and group run
    3/14 – 6.01 at marathon pace
    3/15 – 6.23 easy
    3/16 – travel day
    3/17 – 6.99 warm up, 8K race, cool down
    3/18 – travel day
    3/19 – 6.11 easy shading to MP
    3/20 – 5.29 easy with hard stop
    3/21 – 6.62 group run
    3/22 – 6.51 easy

    March running total to date – 122.81

    Nominal challenge goal: 180 miles

    Real goals: Build base. Work toward being able to run 26.2 miles by Patriots' Day.

    Today's notes – Went to club practice this evening, but in light of my fall Tuesday I opted to just run some easy miles after the warmup. It was good to see guys I knew, and some new arrivals; Coach had a new guy run easy miles with me. He is naturally faster than me, and we helped each other slow it down. Had a nice conversation about injury prevention and how to train; I was taking it easy with about 4 miles after the warmup, and he was all done at 3.7 miles. Had another one of those "oops" conversations; I asked what his target was, and he said, "800." Oh, I said, a sprinter. No, he is a mid-distance runner.

    I can't help myself. To me, anything less than a mile looks like a sprint, and a 10K looks like a nice mid-distance race. But the accepted terminology for track running has "mid-distance" being shorter than a mile, and I'm not sure how long "sprint" goes. I guess I need to learn the vocabulary if I'm going to talk to different types of runners.

    2018 races:
    February 17, 2018 Freezeroo #5 (Valentines Run "In Memory of Tom Brannon" 8 Mile) (Greece, NY) finished in 54:48
    February 24, 2018 Freezeroo #6 (White House Challenge 4.4 mile) (Webster, NY) finished in 28:46
    March 17, 2018 USATF Masters 8K (Shamrock 8K, Virginia Beach, VA) finished in 31:55
    March 24, 2018 Spring Forward 15K (Mendon, NY)
    April 16, 2018 Boston Marathon (Hopkinton, MA)


  • JulieS3103
    JulieS3103 Posts: 86 Member
    March 1 - 3 mile Treadmill run
    March 2 - Strength workout
    March 4 - 8 mile run
    March 6 - 3.5 mile Treadmill run
    March 8 - 4 mile Treadmill run
    March 10 - 6 mile run
    March 14 - 3.14 mile Pi run
    March 15 - 2 mile Treadmill run
    March 17 - USO 10 miler Ft Campbell
    March 20 - 3 mile Treadmill run
    March 21 - Strength workout
    March 22 - 4 mile run

    46.64 miles so far/Goal 55 miles

    Upcoming Races:
    4/28/18 Brown Deer 10k
    6/10/18 Manitowoc Half Marathon
    8/18/18 Madison Mini Half Marathon
    9/16/18 North Face Endurance 10k
  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
    T1DCarnivoreRunner Posts: 11,502 Member
    6 miles dreadmill. Normally don't like the dreadmill, especially on nice days like today, but trying to target a specific pace for a specific distance and I don't do so well with targeting a specific pace outside on my own.

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