Somebody lectured me about Splenda today
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ConnieT1030 wrote: »
I started thinking the same, better have an allergy!midwesterner85 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
A couple summers ago I was leaving a fancy pizza restaurant in Santa Barbara with some leftovers, and we passed a guy on the street with a sign that said “homeless and hungry please help”. I offered him the pizza leftovers and he said “no thanks, I don’t eat dairy”. Maybe it was the same guy!
I suppose I could understand if there were a dairy intolerance. I've offered food to homeless people and have never been turned down. But I would understand if I tried to give a bag of peanuts to someone and they declined because of an allergy.
Maybe if it was a one-ingredient food, but when I read this to my husband he said, if he was hungry and couldnt eat cheese, he would just pull off the cheese and eat the bread & tomato sauce!
Clearly these people have never actually been hungry, they just want cash for whatever reason(s).
It depends on the strength of the allergy. At the overnight camp I used to go to (years after I stopped), there was a kid with a peanut allergy. Part of the camp activities included going on a 3-day canoe trip. Someone made the kid an egg sandwich (fine) using the same knife that had been used to spread peanut butter (NOT FINE). Normally, back at the camp, all cutlery would've gone through the dishwasher. But this was in the wilderness and they were basically using liquid soap and cold water. That wasn't good enough. The kid died. Not every allergic reaction is fatal. But sometimes just picking off the problematic ingredient isn't good enough.18 -
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estherdragonbat wrote: »ConnieT1030 wrote: »
I started thinking the same, better have an allergy!midwesterner85 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
A couple summers ago I was leaving a fancy pizza restaurant in Santa Barbara with some leftovers, and we passed a guy on the street with a sign that said “homeless and hungry please help”. I offered him the pizza leftovers and he said “no thanks, I don’t eat dairy”. Maybe it was the same guy!
I suppose I could understand if there were a dairy intolerance. I've offered food to homeless people and have never been turned down. But I would understand if I tried to give a bag of peanuts to someone and they declined because of an allergy.
Maybe if it was a one-ingredient food, but when I read this to my husband he said, if he was hungry and couldnt eat cheese, he would just pull off the cheese and eat the bread & tomato sauce!
Clearly these people have never actually been hungry, they just want cash for whatever reason(s).
It depends on the strength of the allergy. At the overnight camp I used to go to (years after I stopped), there was a kid with a peanut allergy. Part of the camp activities included going on a 3-day canoe trip. Someone made the kid an egg sandwich (fine) using the same knife that had been used to spread peanut butter (NOT FINE). Normally, back at the camp, all cutlery would've gone through the dishwasher. But this was in the wilderness and they were basically using liquid soap and cold water. That wasn't good enough. The kid died. Not every allergic reaction is fatal. But sometimes just picking off the problematic ingredient isn't good enough.
Someone's always gotta quote an extreme =/
He didnt say he was allergic though, he just said "he didnt eat it". Im fairly certain it wasnt a case of extreme allergies, it was someone who wanted money.
Ive been hungry enough to eat what I didnt care for. I didnt hold signs at the road, but I did go to a food bank, and the things people donated were oftentimes too spoiled to eat, and made me sick, but I ate what I could choke down.
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While yes, many people with their hand out are looking just for money, consider that if something causes a person intestinal distress, lack of access to toilet facilities can be a deciding factor in whether or not to accept food. It's one thing if you live in a place where you can bolt to the bathroom if needed - in that situation I would be likely to take a chance on iffy food if I were hungry - but if you're living in your car or on the street, I imagine you might choose hunger over the alternative.20
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I was at Wendy's a few months ago and decided to treat myself to some cheese fries, one of my favorite treat meals. The man standing beside me at the counter glanced down at my tray and said pointedly, "I wonder how many calories that has." I looked him in the eye and said "None of your effing business. That's how many." He took a seat at the table behind mine and stared a hole through me the entire time I was eating.17
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ultra_violets wrote: »I was at Wendy's a few months ago and decided to treat myself to some cheese fries, one of my favorite treat meals. The man standing beside me at the counter glanced down at my tray and said pointedly, "I wonder how many calories that has." I looked him in the eye and said "None of your effing business. That's how many." He took a seat at the table behind mine and stared a hole through me the entire time I was eating.
That's not just inappropriate, that's actually creepy. I would peg that episode as an attempt to intimidate rather than educate. Hugs!3 -
ultra_violets wrote: »I was at Wendy's a few months ago and decided to treat myself to some cheese fries, one of my favorite treat meals. The man standing beside me at the counter glanced down at my tray and said pointedly, "I wonder how many calories that has." I looked him in the eye and said "None of your effing business. That's how many." He took a seat at the table behind mine and stared a hole through me the entire time I was eating.
And again, this is when the trusty MFP app comes in handy - I would say “750*, which I have prelogged and which fits nicely in my week’s intake to hit both my calorie and macro goals”
* I didn’t actually look up how many cals are in Wendy’s cheese fries but you can bet your kitten I would if someone said that to me!7 -
I haven't had anything like all of that, but what I can't stand is when I tell people about my eating habits now that I have changed the way I eat, and they all have something to say about it. "You know you should try the low carb diet, if you cut carbs you lose a lot of weight" "Hey do you still eat dairy, you should cut that out, you know humans are the only animal that consumes the milk of another animal?" "Are you sure you are consuming enough calories? You are losing a lot of weight really fast and thats not healthy!"
I have retorts for all of them, "Yes low carb is a fast and healthy way to lose weight quickly, but there are good carbs, and you need a little, so don't lecture me on how many to cut" "Yea well cheese is delicious, so is cereal, I am not lactose intolerant so I enjoy milk
" "I may be losing weight really fast because my body is used to eating McDonalds everyday and I don't consume my body weight in beer every night, so yes I am losing weight quickly because I am eating clean and cutting back on my drinking" but I think I have just come to the conclusion that no matter what you do in life there is always going to be someone there to try and ruin it for you.
I just say the best thing to do is do whats best for you, to hell with nay sayers. 9 times out of 10 the only reason they feel the need to bring these things up is because they are unhappy with their own decisions, and the only pleasure they get out of it is in these small moments where they get to be elitists and say "Look at me, this is what I do and you should consider it too" trust me it has nothing to do with you, its so that later when they are hanging around their other elitist friends they can say "Guess what I told a perfect stranger today, even though it was reallyy none of my business" lol4 -
Breeticus87 wrote: »I haven't had anything like all of that, but what I can't stand is when I tell people about my eating habits now that I have changed the way I eat, and they all have something to say about it. "You know you should try the low carb diet, if you cut carbs you lose a lot of weight" "Hey do you still eat dairy, you should cut that out, you know humans are the only animal that consumes the milk of another animal?" "Are you sure you are consuming enough calories? You are losing a lot of weight really fast and thats not healthy!"
I have retorts for all of them, "Yes low carb is a fast and healthy way to lose weight quickly, but there are good carbs, and you need a little, so don't lecture me on how many to cut" "Yea well cheese is delicious, so is cereal, I am not lactose intolerant so I enjoy milk" "I may be losing weight really fast because my body is used to eating McDonalds everyday and I don't consume my body weight in beer every night, so yes I am losing weight quickly because I am eating clean and cutting back on my drinking" but I think I have just come to the conclusion that no matter what you do in life there is always going to be someone there to try and ruin it for you.
I just say the best thing to do is do whats best for you, to hell with nay sayers. 9 times out of 10 the only reason they feel the need to bring these things up is because they are unhappy with their own decisions, and the only pleasure they get out of it is in these small moments where they get to be elitists and say "Look at me, this is what I do and you should consider it too" trust me it has nothing to do with you, its so that later when they are hanging around their other elitist friends they can say "Guess what I told a perfect stranger today, even though it was reallyy none of my business" lol
My favorite line (assuming the person is fatter/in worse shape than you) is to respond "If I wanted to look like you, I'd eat like you".
[ETA:] Another good response when somebody says "That's bad for you" is to respond "You know what else is bad for you? Sticking your nose in other people's business".16 -
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ladyreva78 wrote: »nickssweetheart wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »I offered a homeless guy an apple and some yogurt one morning. He didn't want either. I figured he couldn't be that hungry. I wasn't going to give him change.
I will pretty much always offer food, and I have never been turned down. One man nearly cried when I gave him a loaf of bread and a jar of peanut butter. I hope that experience hasn't discouraged you from offering in the future.
When I have the cash to spare, I often offer to go to the nearby take-away and buy them a hot meal of their choice. I never give them spare change. I'm just weird that way.
I have been insulted by some homeless for that. His line of reasoning was that it was his money to do with and if he's asking 'cause he's hungry and then using the money to buy booze it's his choice and his problem.
A for honesty, I guess. LOL0 -
NicoleHaki wrote: »At Starbucks (!) I was standing at the bar with her - she reached across me for truvia, I reached across her for splenda. We smiled at each other. And she says out of the blue "You shouldn't use that stuff, you know. It's worse than sugar." I did my tight, inappropriate stranger smile and finished stirring my coffee - and she keeps on lecturing! "You really need to stop using that, it's nothing but chemicals. It's really a terrible thing to do to your body..." and on and on as she's walking out the door. I half-expected her to hand me a pamphlet directing me to some kind of artificial sweetener support group. It was kind of surreal - and I wish I hadn't been so stunned that I had absolutely nothing to say
I've read here about strangers making inappropriate comments in general about people's food choices, but usually not direct evangalizing to their faces - it's certainly a first for me! Does this sort of thing happen often, and am I just oblivious? Does anyone want to share a story?
And of course, now I'm thinking of all the things I could have said if I was just a little bit quicker on my feet - did anyone actually think fast enough to make a good comeback?
Is Truvia much better than Splenda? Definitely rude of her!
That said, I also hate artificial sweeteners and sometimes catch myself making comments to people who choose Splenda or diet soda. I don't do it to be rude but to me it's like watching someone smoking a cigarette - I feel like maybe I can save them! Not saying this to justify her rudeness, but saying it because maybe her intentions weren't that bad - it genuinely pains me to see people drink soda or put Splenda in their coffee or tea.
If you hate artificial sweeteners don't consume them.
But there is nothing wrong with them and no reason for others to avoid them because you do.
you have no right to be pained about the choices of other people.
And anyway even if they were equivalent to cigarettes ( they are not) that doesn't justify anyone lecturing others on what to do.
Nobody wants random strangers to save them and your intentions of wanting to save them are not good - they are just busybody interfering.
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I really do hate it when people get all high and mighty about artificial sweeteners. I can understand the beef with aspartame, that stuff gives me headaches. But I've never once had a bad reaction from splenda or stevia. Both are way better for than dumping sugar into your coffee would be.10
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estherdragonbat wrote: »ConnieT1030 wrote: »
I started thinking the same, better have an allergy!midwesterner85 wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »
A couple summers ago I was leaving a fancy pizza restaurant in Santa Barbara with some leftovers, and we passed a guy on the street with a sign that said “homeless and hungry please help”. I offered him the pizza leftovers and he said “no thanks, I don’t eat dairy”. Maybe it was the same guy!
I suppose I could understand if there were a dairy intolerance. I've offered food to homeless people and have never been turned down. But I would understand if I tried to give a bag of peanuts to someone and they declined because of an allergy.
Maybe if it was a one-ingredient food, but when I read this to my husband he said, if he was hungry and couldnt eat cheese, he would just pull off the cheese and eat the bread & tomato sauce!
Clearly these people have never actually been hungry, they just want cash for whatever reason(s).
It depends on the strength of the allergy. At the overnight camp I used to go to (years after I stopped), there was a kid with a peanut allergy. Part of the camp activities included going on a 3-day canoe trip. Someone made the kid an egg sandwich (fine) using the same knife that had been used to spread peanut butter (NOT FINE). Normally, back at the camp, all cutlery would've gone through the dishwasher. But this was in the wilderness and they were basically using liquid soap and cold water. That wasn't good enough. The kid died. Not every allergic reaction is fatal. But sometimes just picking off the problematic ingredient isn't good enough.
Just to add to this, a good friend of mine has an anaphylactic reaction to dairy. If she had picked the cheese off of a pizza and then ate the bread and toppings, she would die.8 -
I really do hate it when people get all high and mighty about artificial sweeteners. I can understand the beef with aspartame, that stuff gives me headaches. But I've never once had a bad reaction from splenda or stevia. Both are way better for than dumping sugar into your coffee would be.
No I cant understand the beef about aspartame either - just because it gives you headaches.
It doesnt do that to most people so why should they have a problem with it?
and sugar isnt bad either - obviously in moderation and within appropriate calorie amount - but that goes for all foods.
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stanmann571 wrote: »NicoleHaki wrote: »At Starbucks (!) I was standing at the bar with her - she reached across me for truvia, I reached across her for splenda. We smiled at each other. And she says out of the blue "You shouldn't use that stuff, you know. It's worse than sugar." I did my tight, inappropriate stranger smile and finished stirring my coffee - and she keeps on lecturing! "You really need to stop using that, it's nothing but chemicals. It's really a terrible thing to do to your body..." and on and on as she's walking out the door. I half-expected her to hand me a pamphlet directing me to some kind of artificial sweetener support group. It was kind of surreal - and I wish I hadn't been so stunned that I had absolutely nothing to say
I've read here about strangers making inappropriate comments in general about people's food choices, but usually not direct evangalizing to their faces - it's certainly a first for me! Does this sort of thing happen often, and am I just oblivious? Does anyone want to share a story?
And of course, now I'm thinking of all the things I could have said if I was just a little bit quicker on my feet - did anyone actually think fast enough to make a good comeback?
Is Truvia much better than Splenda? Definitely rude of her!
That said, I also hate artificial sweeteners and sometimes catch myself making comments to people who choose Splenda or diet soda. I don't do it to be rude but to me it's like watching someone smoking a cigarette - I feel like maybe I can save them! Not saying this to justify her rudeness, but saying it because maybe her intentions weren't that bad - it genuinely pains me to see people drink soda or put Splenda in their coffee or tea.
Why do you feel this way, and what evidence supports your theory?
What theory?9 -
Everyone has an opinion, there's science to back up both sides of the fake sugar debate. Why do you people have to be so *kitten* to someone who disagrees with you?
I don't know who flagged this or why, but the flag is inappropriate.
There is no actual science backing up the premise that "fake sugar" is harmful. If you read the first several posts in the "Aspartame isn't scary" thread you will find numerous legitimate peer-reviewed studies that show it is not. There are no legitimate peer-reviewed studies that show it is in people who have no adverse reactions to the components.
I'd rather this didn't turn into an "evil Splenda" thread, since the OP centers on inappropriate comments from strangers, and the circumstance of the specific comment is incidental to the conversation.
edited for clarity and grammar :embarrassed:
But it's actually very difficult to use scientific research to prove that something is bad for you - artificial sweeteners have been linked to diabetes and cancer, but scientists aren't rushing to perform this research on humans because that would be unethical and it would also take many years. The research that I have seen (aspartame linked to leukemia, people who drink diet soda significantly more likely to get diabetes than people who drink regular soda, etc.) is so compelling that I wouldn't want for me or anyone I know to be the guinea pig who takes that kind of risk! Not saying it's right to say something to a stranger (I would never do that), but I would compare it to walking up to a stranger and saying not to smoke cigarettes - it's pretty rude and not something I would say, but I can see how someone would want to speak up.38 -
NicoleHaki wrote: »At Starbucks (!) I was standing at the bar with her - she reached across me for truvia, I reached across her for splenda. We smiled at each other. And she says out of the blue "You shouldn't use that stuff, you know. It's worse than sugar." I did my tight, inappropriate stranger smile and finished stirring my coffee - and she keeps on lecturing! "You really need to stop using that, it's nothing but chemicals. It's really a terrible thing to do to your body..." and on and on as she's walking out the door. I half-expected her to hand me a pamphlet directing me to some kind of artificial sweetener support group. It was kind of surreal - and I wish I hadn't been so stunned that I had absolutely nothing to say
I've read here about strangers making inappropriate comments in general about people's food choices, but usually not direct evangalizing to their faces - it's certainly a first for me! Does this sort of thing happen often, and am I just oblivious? Does anyone want to share a story?
And of course, now I'm thinking of all the things I could have said if I was just a little bit quicker on my feet - did anyone actually think fast enough to make a good comeback?
Is Truvia much better than Splenda? Definitely rude of her!
That said, I also hate artificial sweeteners and sometimes catch myself making comments to people who choose Splenda or diet soda. I don't do it to be rude but to me it's like watching someone smoking a cigarette - I feel like maybe I can save them! Not saying this to justify her rudeness, but saying it because maybe her intentions weren't that bad - it genuinely pains me to see people drink soda or put Splenda in their coffee or tea.NicoleHaki wrote: »At Starbucks (!) I was standing at the bar with her - she reached across me for truvia, I reached across her for splenda. We smiled at each other. And she says out of the blue "You shouldn't use that stuff, you know. It's worse than sugar." I did my tight, inappropriate stranger smile and finished stirring my coffee - and she keeps on lecturing! "You really need to stop using that, it's nothing but chemicals. It's really a terrible thing to do to your body..." and on and on as she's walking out the door. I half-expected her to hand me a pamphlet directing me to some kind of artificial sweetener support group. It was kind of surreal - and I wish I hadn't been so stunned that I had absolutely nothing to say
I've read here about strangers making inappropriate comments in general about people's food choices, but usually not direct evangalizing to their faces - it's certainly a first for me! Does this sort of thing happen often, and am I just oblivious? Does anyone want to share a story?
And of course, now I'm thinking of all the things I could have said if I was just a little bit quicker on my feet - did anyone actually think fast enough to make a good comeback?
Is Truvia much better than Splenda? Definitely rude of her!
That said, I also hate artificial sweeteners and sometimes catch myself making comments to people who choose Splenda or diet soda. I don't do it to be rude but to me it's like watching someone smoking a cigarette - I feel like maybe I can save them! Not saying this to justify her rudeness, but saying it because maybe her intentions weren't that bad - it genuinely pains me to see people drink soda or put Splenda in their coffee or tea.
Unfortunately it is YOUR pain to live with. You will not change grown folks and their choices.
Please move along with the understanding....that we all will be dying of something someday.
Yeah, we will. But if we were just resigned to living our unhealthy lives until we "all die of something someday" then why would we all be on MyFitnessPal logging and thinking about and discussing our health?17 -
collectingblues wrote: »jadkins389 wrote: »As a nutritionist I have to put my two cents in and say that research shows that artificial sweeteners do not help with weight loss. Most are just synthetic versions of the sugar you are avoiding and your body treats it as such. Honey or Stevia are your best options for low-glycemic sweeteners. That being said, even as a nutritionist, we meet people where they are. Everyone is different, everyone likes different things, and everyone is willing to sacrifice different things to achieve their goals.
Now as a human being, I must say it is completely inappropriate to confront a stranger in public telling them what they are doing "wrong". Even if you think you are "right", it is still just wrong.
Let me guess. You're a nutritionist, but not a dietitian, right?
I'm glad that the dietitian I see actually uses science, and not woo.
How is this not actual science? She's talking about glycemic indexes. Do you want her to pull some obscure study that took place over a course of months and use that as evidence for or against artificial sweeteners? What's wrong with using common sense?31 -
NicoleHaki wrote: »Everyone has an opinion, there's science to back up both sides of the fake sugar debate. Why do you people have to be so *kitten* to someone who disagrees with you?
I don't know who flagged this or why, but the flag is inappropriate.
There is no actual science backing up the premise that "fake sugar" is harmful. If you read the first several posts in the "Aspartame isn't scary" thread you will find numerous legitimate peer-reviewed studies that show it is not. There are no legitimate peer-reviewed studies that show it is in people who have no adverse reactions to the components.
I'd rather this didn't turn into an "evil Splenda" thread, since the OP centers on inappropriate comments from strangers, and the circumstance of the specific comment is incidental to the conversation.
edited for clarity and grammar :embarrassed:
But it's actually very difficult to use scientific research to prove that something is bad for you - artificial sweeteners have been linked to diabetes and cancer, but scientists aren't rushing to perform this research on humans because that would be unethical and it would also take many years. The research that I have seen (aspartame linked to leukemia, people who drink diet soda significantly more likely to get diabetes than people who drink regular soda, etc.) is so compelling that I wouldn't want for me or anyone I know to be the guinea pig who takes that kind of risk! Not saying it's right to say something to a stranger (I would never do that), but I would compare it to walking up to a stranger and saying not to smoke cigarettes - it's pretty rude and not something I would say, but I can see how someone would want to speak up.
Any actual scientific evidence, or just hearsay from conspiracy theorists?
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