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Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »Is someone legit wooing every post out of spite or is it another doesnt know woo is bad thing...
It’s probably the low carb poster16 -
catzzm9768 wrote: »Hello!:), im starting my weight loss journey, just need help and guidance really, soo ive been googling soo much lately on what i can eat, and i came across you can eat whatever you like but dont go over your daily calorie, my calorie daily to loose weight is 1,200 so can i still eat fries, chocolate , pizza as long as i dont go over 1,200? Will i still loose weight? im not very active i will walk sometimes, plus i dont like healthy foods such as salads i hate them so id find it very hard.
I will track my food on here before eating them.
Thank you!
Weight management is about calories, not any one particular food. That said, pizza and chocolate and fries and whatnot are pretty calorie dense...it would be pretty easy to hit your calorie target with very little actual food.7 -
If it's only about losing weight, calories in must be less than calories out (CICO). You can eat what you want (IE: taco Bell diet, potato diet, etc). If your goal is long term health, then the quality of food matters.7
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dollarbill181 wrote: »Even though I stayed under my calorie goal my weight would barely budge or go down. Once I started counting my carbs and ignoring calories, i was eating more than I was before and higher calories, but my weight finally started to drop.
If you ignored calories how do you know if you ate less or more calories than your allowance.
Edit: if your diary is anything to go by, you were well under in calories and that's why you lost weight, nothing to do with the carbs.23 -
Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »Is someone legit wooing every post out of spite or is it another doesnt know woo is bad thing...
Is this another post asking about how/why people use the woo, or just someone being passive aggressive?
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People are using it to mean they don't "agree" with a post. Have been for months now.Poisonedpawn78 wrote: »Is someone legit wooing every post out of spite or is it another doesnt know woo is bad thing...
They don't care what it is supposed to be used for. I was told so directly in a post.
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catzzm9768 wrote: »Hello!:), im starting my weight loss journey, just need help and guidance really, soo ive been googling soo much lately on what i can eat, and i came across you can eat whatever you like but dont go over your daily calorie, my calorie daily to loose weight is 1,200 so can i still eat fries, chocolate , pizza as long as i dont go over 1,200? Will i still loose weight? im not very active i will walk sometimes, plus i dont like healthy foods such as salads i hate them so id find it very hard.
I will track my food on here before eating them.
Thank you!
Like others have said, sure, you would still lose weight if you only ate 1200 calories a day of those foods. However, it would be hard to stay full on those foods and a diet based around that would not provide optimal nutrition.3 -
What you said is true but that is a misleading statement. You CAN in theory lose weight by eating whatever you want but it if whatever you want is only high calorie junk food then you will be unlikely to stick with your calorie budget.
For me, one birthday tiramisu is over my daily budget. So I can eat that, but I can't eat any other food for the rest of the day. And that cake wont fill me up much. I can drink two of those large pina coladas at the bar and also be over my daily calorie budget not allowing for any other food the rest of the day.
So when people say that you can eat whatever you want, they aren't lying necessarily but if you follow that advice and whatever you want is nothing but junk food, you will probably quickly realize that there aren't enough calories in a day to sustain that way of eating and keep you full/satisfied. Many people end up eating healthier and lower calorie foods because those foods keep them more full throughout the day. I do like healthy food in addition to unhealthy food. I'm still hungry but eating healthier tends to be more filling for me and stay within my calorie budget.9 -
dollarbill181 wrote: »Even though I stayed under my calorie goal my weight would barely budge or go down. Once I started counting my carbs and ignoring calories, i was eating more than I was before and higher calories, but my weight finally started to drop.
I suspect there's a lot more to this story than is being told...
Most people royally suck at eyeballing portions of common starchy foods. This would be my guess.14 -
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What you said is true but that is a misleading statement. You CAN in theory lose weight by eating whatever you want but it if whatever you want is only high calorie junk food then you will be unlikely to stick with your calorie budget.
For me, one birthday tiramisu is over my daily budget. So I can eat that, but I can't eat any other food for the rest of the day. And that cake wont fill me up much. I can drink two of those large pina coladas at the bar and also be over my daily calorie budget not allowing for any other food the rest of the day.
So when people say that you can eat whatever you want, they aren't lying necessarily but if you follow that advice and whatever you want is nothing but junk food, you will probably quickly realize that there aren't enough calories in a day to sustain that way of eating and keep you full/satisfied. Many people end up eating healthier and lower calorie foods because those foods keep them more full throughout the day. I do like healthy food in addition to unhealthy food. I'm still hungry but eating healthier tends to be more filling for me and stay within my calorie budget.
I can't speak for the others but I assume there is quite a bit more to the OP's normal diet than fries, chocolate, pizza, or even "junk" food when I said she could eat whatever she wants. In case I was wrong I suggested she come back soon if she was having trouble with hunger for more assistance.
There is no harm in starting from what she knows and fixing it as needed. It is sensible and it beats trying to figure out what "healthy" and "unhealthy" means.
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What you said is true but that is a misleading statement. You CAN in theory lose weight by eating whatever you want but it if whatever you want is only high calorie junk food then you will be unlikely to stick with your calorie budget.
For me, one birthday tiramisu is over my daily budget. So I can eat that, but I can't eat any other food for the rest of the day. And that cake wont fill me up much. I can drink two of those large pina coladas at the bar and also be over my daily calorie budget not allowing for any other food the rest of the day.
So when people say that you can eat whatever you want, they aren't lying necessarily but if you follow that advice and whatever you want is nothing but junk food, you will probably quickly realize that there aren't enough calories in a day to sustain that way of eating and keep you full/satisfied. Many people end up eating healthier and lower calorie foods because those foods keep them more full throughout the day. I do like healthy food in addition to unhealthy food. I'm still hungry but eating healthier tends to be more filling for me and stay within my calorie budget.
I can't speak for the others but I assume there is quite a bit more to the OP's normal diet than fries, chocolate, pizza, or even "junk" food when I said she could eat whatever she wants. In case I was wrong I suggested she come back soon if she was having trouble with hunger for more assistance.
There is no harm in starting from what she knows and fixing it as needed. It is sensible and it beats trying to figure out what "healthy" and "unhealthy" means.
That may be true. I dont know exactly what her diet includes. I do know many people who only eat unhealthy and calorie dense foods. That is probably how they got fat in the first place. So for some people who only like those types of foods, and still want to be full, eating "whatever you want" probably won't work.4 -
I used to get around this by eating a huge bowl of microwaved broccoli smothered in kimchi along with a very small portion of whatever "junk" I was craving. I got to taste the evil bad stuff but ended up quite full.
... probably won't work if you hate broccoli and kimchi though.
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I suspect some newbies may see those statements "eat whatever you want", try a few days of eating whatever, inevitably NOT be able to stick to their calorie budget, give up when they don't lose weight quickly, and feel frustrated. I feel like those types of statements should come with an explanation about how those calorie dense foods probably won't be very filling.
So for some people, they can try reducing portions of their normal foods, but may not be able to be full that way. They will probably end up having to change the types of food that they eat to maintain the calorie budget. Let's be real, it is hard for a lot of people to eat certain foods in moderation. That's probably why they are overweight. You CAN be overweight eating too much healthy food ( I am one of them) but it is much easier to overeat junk food.4 -
jseams1234 wrote: »I used to get around this by eating a huge bowl of microwaved broccoli smothered in kimchi along with a very small portion of whatever "junk" I was craving. I got to taste the evil bad stuff but ended up quite full.
... probably won't work if you hate broccoli and kimchi though.
It's a good strategy -- including what you're craving into your meal plans, but don't rely on it to *fill yourself up*. I'd have things like pizza and fries when I was losing weight, but I wouldn't make them the center of my meals. I'd have *some*.
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I can't speak for the others but I assume there is quite a bit more to the OP's normal diet than fries, chocolate, pizza, or even "junk" food when I said she could eat whatever she wants.
I think I understand your point of view, but from my perspective fries, chocolate, pizza = junk food
Separating the items from "junk" in your post seems less than ideal to me.
Eating what she WANTS is probably a big part of what got her here in the first place.
Encouraging the behavior of "eat whatever she wants" may just reinforce making bad food choices.
Learning to eat junk in moderation, say once a week, is a key to success.
Learning to appreciate more healthy choices that you are not accustomed to -like salads- is also key.
She needs to learn that food is fuel; not an emotional crutch or treat or anything like that.
Choosing food because it "tastes good" instead of being a good choice needs to stop. For many people.
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That may be true. I dont know exactly what her diet includes. I do know many people who only eat unhealthy and calorie dense foods. That is probably how they got fat in the first place. So for some people who only like those types of foods, and still want to be full, eating "whatever you want" probably won't work.
No one knows what her entire normal diet consists of except her. IMO we don't really need to worry about it right now either. I think the best place to start is at the beginning so she can learn what works for her and not try to figure out what ambiguous terms like "healthy" mean which is something she is already struggling with.8 -
I can't speak for the others but I assume there is quite a bit more to the OP's normal diet than fries, chocolate, pizza, or even "junk" food when I said she could eat whatever she wants.
I think I understand your point of view, but from my perspective fries, chocolate, pizza = junk food
Encouraging the behavior of "eat whatever she wants" may just reinforce making bad food choices.
Learning to eat junk in moderation, say once a week, is a key to success.
Learning to appreciate more healthy choices that you are not accustomed to -like salads- is also key.
Just my thoughts.
Moderation comes in many forms.7 -
I can't speak for the others but I assume there is quite a bit more to the OP's normal diet than fries, chocolate, pizza, or even "junk" food when I said she could eat whatever she wants.
I think I understand your point of view, but from my perspective fries, chocolate, pizza = junk food
Encouraging the behavior of "eat whatever she wants" may just reinforce making bad food choices.
Learning to eat junk in moderation, say once a week, is a key to success.
Learning to appreciate more healthy choices that you are not accustomed to -like salads- is also key.
Just my thoughts.
Assuming one is meeting one's nutritional needs, why does the frequency of pizza eating matter?
Assuming one is not meeting one's nutritional needs, eating salad daily isn't going to be a magic cure.
I think the overall context of the OP's diet is what is key here, not specific foods she may or may not be eating.
She will lose weight eating anything she likes as long as she is in a calorie deficit. Whether she is in a deficit or not, it's wise to eat in a way that leads to nutritional needs being met. But if she wasn't choosing to do that before, I'm not sure what the benefit is of a hyperfocus on it now.
Will OP be better off if she decides not to lose weight and continues eating as she is now? If OP is overweight, losing weight is still likely to be a net benefit to her health.
(This is assuming she has excess weight and isn't just losing vanity pounds).14 -
Yes, it does. But until we all agree on a definition of "moderation" then the cycle will continue.Moderation comes in many forms.
So I gave mine as a starting point.
She will probably go over her calorie allotment until that is fixed; she will probably not be in a deficit.
She has to pick more satiating foods that are lower in calories.
We all know this, just many others are trying to baby-talk her into it.9
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