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How do you feel about fasting?
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nutmegoreo wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »duskyjewel wrote: »Here they come! I LOVE that you all got THAT out of my post. Its like talking to a damn wall. I didnt miss that post...no where in there do I see that she said it "CURES CANCER." OR did YOU miss that post? Prevent Cancer...a process that we can control can contribute to cancer...these arent new ideas that what you put in your body can contribute to cancer...and its no secret that by avoiding things could prevent it. Again, please tell me what I missed?LeeshaSeal wrote: »That is a false statement. The benefits are numerous and there studies and research to prove it, which include weight loss, reducing inflammation, increasing muscle, reducing/eliminating type 2 diabetes, preventing cancer and alzheimers, to name a few. The 2016 Nobel Prize for Medicine went to a person that identified the process of Autophagy, which happens during a fasted-state. It's the process of your body cleaning out cellular junk and broken down proteins. Also, you were probably hungry because you were consuming something that released insulin and triggered digestion. It could have even been lemon in your water.
These are doctrinaire statements asserted as if fact.
I do have research and studies that back those claims up but those were dismissed as false, woo, or quack here.
Fung is frequently dismissed as a quack, because.... he is. Here are some great articles discussing the holes in his theories and statements:
https://www.diabetes-warrior.net/2015/04/24/what-the-fung/
https://www.diabetes-warrior.net/2015/04/20/fung-us-among-us/
https://www.myoleanfitness.com/evidence-caloric-restriction/nutmegoreo wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »duskyjewel wrote: »Here they come! I LOVE that you all got THAT out of my post. Its like talking to a damn wall. I didnt miss that post...no where in there do I see that she said it "CURES CANCER." OR did YOU miss that post? Prevent Cancer...a process that we can control can contribute to cancer...these arent new ideas that what you put in your body can contribute to cancer...and its no secret that by avoiding things could prevent it. Again, please tell me what I missed?LeeshaSeal wrote: »That is a false statement. The benefits are numerous and there studies and research to prove it, which include weight loss, reducing inflammation, increasing muscle, reducing/eliminating type 2 diabetes, preventing cancer and alzheimers, to name a few. The 2016 Nobel Prize for Medicine went to a person that identified the process of Autophagy, which happens during a fasted-state. It's the process of your body cleaning out cellular junk and broken down proteins. Also, you were probably hungry because you were consuming something that released insulin and triggered digestion. It could have even been lemon in your water.
These are doctrinaire statements asserted as if fact.
I do have research and studies that back those claims up but those were dismissed as false, woo, or quack here.
Fung is frequently dismissed as a quack, because.... he is. Here are some great articles discussing the holes in his theories and statements:
https://www.diabetes-warrior.net/2015/04/24/what-the-fung/
https://www.diabetes-warrior.net/2015/04/20/fung-us-among-us/
https://www.myoleanfitness.com/evidence-caloric-restriction/
I read all 3 articles and the first row seemed anecdotal to me. The evidence supported to contrast Jason Fung was personal history. It also was directed more toward his low-carb recommendations and not Fasting in particular as a means to control blood sugar. I'm not completely discounting the articles but I would like to see some side by side charts, which are missing.
The last article had the most meat. However, it actually concurred with Fung in some areas. And again, it was directed more at his low carb methodology rather than fasting.
In his book The Complete Guide to Fasting, he has included studies and some before and after blood work statistics. Do they completely offset tradition CI/CO methods? I would be hesitant to say yes. However, I do find it interesting that the overall loss and maintenance success numbers are horrid.
Thank you for providing some reading. I still don't agree that it makes him a quack.9 -
Fasting periodically for periods of 12, 18, 24 hours and sometimes greater has been show to have great health benefits. People have been doing this for centuries; religiously, spiritually, culturally, so it's a widely accepted idea.
I've read some very interesting studies on mice regarding fasting and diabetes. Basically they limited food intake for 5 days, calories consumed were high fat, then return to a normal diet with more typical macros for the remaining 2 days, then repeat. Results suggest production of new pancreatic cells that were more insulin receptive. This had been demonstrated in both type 1 and type 2 diabetic. Very cool stuff.12 -
Another examination of intermittent fasting: https://www.iifym.com/intermittent-fasting-myths-debunked/
And another: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0303720715300800?via=ihub
And another: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S02615614173012555 -
LeeshaSeal - I’m not a trained nutritionist or a licensed dietician, and I’m not going to pretend to be one, but I am fairly familiar with anatomy and physiology and IF doesn’t “cleanse the body” (that’s what your liver and kidney do), rid a person of diabetes (see end statement), or reduce inflammation (which can have a multitude of explanations besides what a person eats) - eating the right foods, eating less, and exercising does. THIS is scientifically proven. I’m not bashing IF, I’m simply stating it helps restrict calorie intake.
And logic says, if I wasn’t eating for 16 hours straight, pretty sure it wasn’t the lemon in my water that made me insatiable. It was the NOT EATING.
Mate, you need to educate yourself more. What she said is 100% true and supported by numerous clinical research studies. Stop spreading nonsense, next we'll hear that vaccines are bad.24 -
LeeshaSeal - I’m not a trained nutritionist or a licensed dietician, and I’m not going to pretend to be one, but I am fairly familiar with anatomy and physiology and IF doesn’t “cleanse the body” (that’s what your liver and kidney do), rid a person of diabetes (see end statement), or reduce inflammation (which can have a multitude of explanations besides what a person eats) - eating the right foods, eating less, and exercising does. THIS is scientifically proven. I’m not bashing IF, I’m simply stating it helps restrict calorie intake.
And logic says, if I wasn’t eating for 16 hours straight, pretty sure it wasn’t the lemon in my water that made me insatiable. It was the NOT EATING.
Mate, you need to educate yourself more. What she said is 100% true and supported by numerous clinical research studies. Stop spreading nonsense, next we'll hear that vaccines are bad.
Yeah, no mate.7 -
LeeshaSeal wrote: »
You should understand that just because a blog is hosted at Harvard doesn’t mean its content is endorsed by Harvard10 -
I did 15:9 Intermittent Fasting for a few weeks. I stopped because I am TTC and I have heard that it can mess with your hormones, and I also found that it made it too hard for me to focus at work in the morning. That being said, IF was great because it quickly got my body used to being satisfied on fewer calories in a way that was a lot less emotionally draining and prone to failure than pure calorie restriction; it got me used to drinking black coffee, which has knocked 100-150 calories out of my daily consumption that I don't even miss; it helped me get my nighttime emotional eating under control; and it actually brought me back around to calorie counting as a way to lose weight (I started counting during my eating window, and when I stopped IF I just added a few more calories to give me some wiggle room to eat in the morning). I do think that the hard-core IF groupies are a little too intense, and some of them, especially the OMAD and extended fast people, use IF as a shield to cover behavior and attitudes that are essentially disordered eating. There is also good science and bad science out there about the effects of IF, and many people can't tell the difference. That being said, if approached sanely and moderately, it can be a great tool.4
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I fast every night when I'm sleeping. Then I eat breakfast. (Almost like break-fast, don't ya think?)6
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stanmann571 wrote: »LeeshaSeal wrote: »
You should understand that just because a blog is hosted at Harvard doesn’t mean its content is endorsed by Harvard
This point should be posted prominently somewhere. It's amazing how many times people are like "Checkmate, Harvard agrees with me!"6 -
LeeshaSeal - I’m not a trained nutritionist or a licensed dietician, and I’m not going to pretend to be one, but I am fairly familiar with anatomy and physiology and IF doesn’t “cleanse the body” (that’s what your liver and kidney do), rid a person of diabetes (see end statement), or reduce inflammation (which can have a multitude of explanations besides what a person eats) - eating the right foods, eating less, and exercising does. THIS is scientifically proven. I’m not bashing IF, I’m simply stating it helps restrict calorie intake.
And logic says, if I wasn’t eating for 16 hours straight, pretty sure it wasn’t the lemon in my water that made me insatiable. It was the NOT EATING.
Mate, you need to educate yourself more. What she said is 100% true and supported by numerous clinical research studies. Stop spreading nonsense, next we'll hear that vaccines are bad.
Dude, you need to educate yourself and stop reading .com sites. If you’re going to Google, I suggest Google Scholar; at least you’d have more accurate data accessible. Secondly, logically, why would you think starving yourself for several hours, or even days, would do anything but slow down your metabolism or restrict calories if done correctly?! Let’s be real here - you can’t magically cure or prevent anything just by skipping a meal (or meals). Thirdly, I don’t know what basis vaccines have in this conversation (I’m pro-vaccine by the way), but it has no bearing on this topic. So “mate”, step down unless you have actual helpful knowledge to share. Peace.
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Studies do show that intermittent fasting improves your blood pressure, cholesterol levels and your insulin sensitivity. When you fast your body can’t get it’s energy from food so it uses your glucose which is found in your liver and muscles, that process usually happens around 8 hours after your last meal. When that stores glucose has been used up the body then starts to burn fat to get its energy which is why you lose weight. I 110% think that fasting is a great way to lose weight and works well21
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Mandylou19912014 wrote: »Studies do show that intermittent fasting improves your blood pressure, cholesterol levels and your insulin sensitivity. When you fast your body can’t get it’s energy from food so it uses your glucose which is found in your liver and muscles, that process usually happens around 8 hours after your last meal. When that stores glucose has been used up the body then starts to burn fat to get its energy which is why you lose weight. I 110% think that fasting is a great way to lose weight and works well
Please link these studies, that show these benefits.6 -
Mandylou19912014 wrote: »Studies do show that intermittent fasting improves your blood pressure, cholesterol levels and your insulin sensitivity. When you fast your body can’t get it’s energy from food so it uses your glucose which is found in your liver and muscles, that process usually happens around 8 hours after your last meal. When that stores glucose has been used up the body then starts to burn fat to get its energy which is why you lose weight. I 110% think that fasting is a great way to lose weight and works well
Eating a balanced diet low in fat, sodium, and carbs does the same. It’s not specifically IF that lowers your risk of hypertension, diabetes, etc.; it’s the aforementioned that does. IF is WHEN to eat not WHAT to eat. There’s a difference.12 -
Mandylou19912014 wrote: »Studies do show that intermittent fasting improves your blood pressure, cholesterol levels and your insulin sensitivity. When you fast your body can’t get it’s energy from food so it uses your glucose which is found in your liver and muscles, that process usually happens around 8 hours after your last meal. When that stores glucose has been used up the body then starts to burn fat to get its energy which is why you lose weight. I 110% think that fasting is a great way to lose weight and works well
Eating a balanced diet low in fat, sodium, and carbs does the same. It’s not specifically IF that lowers your risk of hypertension, diabetes, etc.; it’s the aforementioned that does. IF is WHEN to eat not WHAT to eat. There’s a difference.
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stanmann571 wrote: »Mandylou19912014 wrote: »Studies do show that intermittent fasting improves your blood pressure, cholesterol levels and your insulin sensitivity. When you fast your body can’t get it’s energy from food so it uses your glucose which is found in your liver and muscles, that process usually happens around 8 hours after your last meal. When that stores glucose has been used up the body then starts to burn fat to get its energy which is why you lose weight. I 110% think that fasting is a great way to lose weight and works well
Please link these studies, that show these benefits.
Dr Michael Mosley who wrote the “The Fast Diet” book has quoted said studies, I wouldn’t know which particular ones he is referring too but I trust his statement, it scientifically makes sense as well14 -
Mandylou19912014 wrote: »Studies do show that intermittent fasting improves your blood pressure, cholesterol levels and your insulin sensitivity. When you fast your body can’t get it’s energy from food so it uses your glucose which is found in your liver and muscles, that process usually happens around 8 hours after your last meal. When that stores glucose has been used up the body then starts to burn fat to get its energy which is why you lose weight. I 110% think that fasting is a great way to lose weight and works well
Eating a balanced diet low in fat, sodium, and carbs does the same. It’s not specifically IF that lowers your risk of hypertension, diabetes, etc.; it’s the aforementioned that does. IF is WHEN to eat not WHAT to eat. There’s a difference.
Yes of course, eating a balanced diet etc will do wonders for the body. As would IF, I guess there isn’t only one route to get results there are various ways and methods to achieve your body goals5 -
Mandylou19912014 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Mandylou19912014 wrote: »Studies do show that intermittent fasting improves your blood pressure, cholesterol levels and your insulin sensitivity. When you fast your body can’t get it’s energy from food so it uses your glucose which is found in your liver and muscles, that process usually happens around 8 hours after your last meal. When that stores glucose has been used up the body then starts to burn fat to get its energy which is why you lose weight. I 110% think that fasting is a great way to lose weight and works well
Please link these studies, that show these benefits.
Dr Michael Mosley who wrote the “The Fast Diet” book has quoted said studies, I wouldn’t know which particular ones he is referring too but I trust his statement, it scientifically makes sense as well
So None. Got it.
"I know a guy I trust and he has the studies" just doesn't carry the water.9 -
stanmann571 wrote: »Mandylou19912014 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Mandylou19912014 wrote: »Studies do show that intermittent fasting improves your blood pressure, cholesterol levels and your insulin sensitivity. When you fast your body can’t get it’s energy from food so it uses your glucose which is found in your liver and muscles, that process usually happens around 8 hours after your last meal. When that stores glucose has been used up the body then starts to burn fat to get its energy which is why you lose weight. I 110% think that fasting is a great way to lose weight and works well
Please link these studies, that show these benefits.
Dr Michael Mosley who wrote the “The Fast Diet” book has quoted said studies, I wouldn’t know which particular ones he is referring too but I trust his statement, it scientifically makes sense as well
So None. Got it.
"I know a guy I trust and he has the studies" just doesn't carry the water.
It’s science .. fasting works .. there’s literally nothing you can really say against it is there?14 -
Mandylou19912014 wrote: »stanmann571 wrote: »Mandylou19912014 wrote: »Studies do show that intermittent fasting improves your blood pressure, cholesterol levels and your insulin sensitivity. When you fast your body can’t get it’s energy from food so it uses your glucose which is found in your liver and muscles, that process usually happens around 8 hours after your last meal. When that stores glucose has been used up the body then starts to burn fat to get its energy which is why you lose weight. I 110% think that fasting is a great way to lose weight and works well
Please link these studies, that show these benefits.
Dr Michael Mosley who wrote the “The Fast Diet” book has quoted said studies, I wouldn’t know which particular ones he is referring too but I trust his statement, it scientifically makes sense as well
Why would you trust his statements more than you'd trust any statement from a writer trying to sell you a diet plan? He makes his living promoting fasting -- he hasn't ever practiced medicine. I'm not saying he's wrong (I don't know what studies he's cited in his books promoting fasting), but why would you just assume he's right?7
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