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Fat Shaming Plates or Political Correctness Run Amok?
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It's a novelty item. People are crazy bored and have social media accounts that need content. This could have just as easily took off in the other direction.
I give the same weight to the outcry as the plates -- which is none.4 -
The funny thing is that "mom jeans" is the style that happens to be on-trend at the moment (actually has been for a couple of years, which means fashionistas have already moved on to the next big thing in denim). Go into any store that caters to teens (like American Eagle or Abercrombie) and much of what they are showing is high waisted "mom jean" style...a little fuller in the seat, with straight or tapered legs. I am old enough to have worn this style when it was popular in the late 80s-early 90s (not surprisingly, I am a mom to teenagers now) which I think makes me too old to wear this style again.3
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The funny thing is that "mom jeans" is the style that happens to be on-trend at the moment (actually has been for a couple of years, which means fashionistas have already moved on to the next big thing in denim). Go into any store that caters to teens (like American Eagle or Abercrombie) and much of what they are showing is high waisted "mom jean" style...a little fuller in the seat, with straight or tapered legs. I am old enough to have worn this style when it was popular in the late 80s-early 90s (not surprisingly, I am a mom to teenagers now) which I think makes me too old to wear this style again.
https://www.whowhatwear.com/denim-trends-20190 -
AlabasterVerve wrote: »It's a novelty item. People are crazy bored and have social media accounts that need content. This could have just as easily took off in the other direction.
I give the same weight to the outcry as the plates -- which is none.
This is a huge part of public outrage about most things that don't really matter. People have too much time on their hands and flock to social media, to whinge about petty things. If they spent as much time signing petitions and trying to improve our general way of life, as they did crying about some sodding plates, the world might actually start to change.
I see the irony in myself typing here, whinging about that, but I type fast and sign many petitions lol.5 -
kevinflemming1982 wrote: »AlabasterVerve wrote: »It's a novelty item. People are crazy bored and have social media accounts that need content. This could have just as easily took off in the other direction.
I give the same weight to the outcry as the plates -- which is none.
This is a huge part of public outrage about most things that don't really matter. People have too much time on their hands and flock to social media, to whinge about petty things. If they spent as much time signing petitions and trying to improve our general way of life, as they did crying about some sodding plates, the world might actually start to change.
I see the irony in myself typing here, whinging about that, but I type fast and sign many petitions lol.
Why do you assume that the same people aren’t signing petitions and trying to make a difference in other ways?
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You're now following me around, with the same motives as before? You're the one who is assuming, I'm afraid. Sorry, I have to block you. Hope you enjoy the rest of your time here.Why do you assume that the same people aren’t signing petitions and trying to make a difference in other ways?5 -
Please do not look at this if you're easily offended
https://touch.adverts.ie/healthcare/world-slimming-novelty-portion-control-weight-loss-diet-plate-watcher/14448468
I laughed so hard 😂🤣
I want one of these plates.6 -
I missed that. What a wonderful plate!slimgirljo15 wrote: »
I laughed so hard 😂🤣Please do not look at this if you're easily offended
https://touch.adverts.ie/healthcare/world-slimming-novelty-portion-control-weight-loss-diet-plate-watcher/14448468
I want one of these plates.
It's the writing around the edge I love the most lol. 1 -
kevinflemming1982 wrote: »
I missed that. What a wonderful plate!slimgirljo15 wrote: »
I laughed so hard 😂🤣Please do not look at this if you're easily offended
https://touch.adverts.ie/healthcare/world-slimming-novelty-portion-control-weight-loss-diet-plate-watcher/14448468
I want one of these plates. It's the writing around the edge I love the most lol.
I think that's the best plate I've ever seen.. 😁 I'd give it as a gift to a few friends , I know they'd laugh as much as I did.1 -
Please do not look at this if you're easily offended
https://touch.adverts.ie/healthcare/world-slimming-novelty-portion-control-weight-loss-diet-plate-watcher/14448468
LMAO!!!!!0 -
kevinflemming1982 wrote: »
You're now following me around, with the same motives as before? You're the one who is assuming, I'm afraid. Sorry, I have to block you. Hope you enjoy the rest of your time here.Why do you assume that the same people aren’t signing petitions and trying to make a difference in other ways?
...I hadn't even noticed that you were the same user I was disagreeing with on the other thread. You seem to be suggesting that we interacted before, but I don't recognise your username. I have no idea who you are, what this is about or what 'motives' you're imputing to me.
Does anyone have any idea what this person's problem is?6 -
kevinflemming1982 wrote: »
You're now following me around, with the same motives as before? You're the one who is assuming, I'm afraid. Sorry, I have to block you. Hope you enjoy the rest of your time here.Why do you assume that the same people aren’t signing petitions and trying to make a difference in other ways?
Regardless of whether or not you're being followed (I can't imagine you are), the point that was made was a good one. Who is to assume that the people that various here people are disparaging because they're "too easily offended" aren't actually doing things like signing petitions, talking to people in their local government, voting, educating people in their community, etc.?
Never mind that all of this "people are offended too easily!" is very pot meets kettle.8 -
kevinflemming1982 wrote: »
You're now following me around, with the same motives as before? You're the one who is assuming, I'm afraid. Sorry, I have to block you. Hope you enjoy the rest of your time here.Why do you assume that the same people aren’t signing petitions and trying to make a difference in other ways?
Regardless of whether or not you're being followed (I can't imagine you are), the point that was made was a good one. Who is to assume that the people that various here people are disparaging because they're "too easily offended" aren't actually doing things like signing petitions, talking to people in their local government, voting, educating people in their community, etc.?
Never mind that all of this "people are offended too easily!" is very pot meets kettle.
You mean "I'm going to complain now about how annoyed I am at people who complain about stuff that annoys them! Why don't they just ignore it and move on? I'm going to spend 5 minutes online now to find a meme to make fun of how they should have better things to do than spend time on the internet being annoyed!" 11 -
kevinflemming1982 wrote: »
You're now following me around, with the same motives as before? You're the one who is assuming, I'm afraid. Sorry, I have to block you. Hope you enjoy the rest of your time here.Why do you assume that the same people aren’t signing petitions and trying to make a difference in other ways?
Regardless of whether or not you're being followed (I can't imagine you are), the point that was made was a good one. Who is to assume that the people that various here people are disparaging because they're "too easily offended" aren't actually doing things like signing petitions, talking to people in their local government, voting, educating people in their community, etc.?
Never mind that all of this "people are offended too easily!" is very pot meets kettle.
You mean "I'm going to complain now about how annoyed I am at people who complain about stuff that annoys them! Why don't they just ignore it and move on? I'm going to spend 5 minutes online now to find a meme to make fun of how they should have better things to do than spend time on the internet being annoyed!"
"And then I'm going to keep it going for six pages and buckle down when anyone poses an opposing view!"
Yes, that's exactly what I mean. It's pretty classic.9 -
I can't help but notice (as best I can from how posters identify on their profile) that there seems to be a bit of a gender difference in the reactions to the plates. Not 100%, but enough to take notice IMHO.
I wonder if more women go through life feeling like pop culture, advertising, fashion, television, social media, EVERYTHING is constantly telling you that you aren't skinny enough, aren't dressed right, aren't groomed enough, aren't trying hard enough to be good enough. And therefore makes messages like this come off as less of a joke and more of an insult, just another tongue-in-cheek way to remind you that you aren't worthy yet. Just thinking out loud
I'm sure that's part of it... but that's what sells right now and it's not specific to women. The cosmetic industry probably makes women a bigger target, but if a company can find a product that will create and then fix a problem, that's how they are going to market it. Erections, bald spots, testosterone... height, weight, body shape... teeth color, hair color, body hair... wrinkles, sun spots, skin tone...
Watch and hour of prime time TV (including the commercials) - it's a wonder EVERYONE isn't self-conscious and depressed.
But to your point... women are probably targeted more consistently and from a younger age.2 -
I think it's *kitten* that you'd never see these kind of plates geared towards men. Do they have Dad Jeans plates?5
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midlomel1971 wrote: »I think it's *kitten* that you'd never see these kind of plates geared towards men. Do they have Dad Jeans plates?
Suspenders circle - beer gut circle - high school jeans circle4 -
I wouldn't buy them because they look tacky but am I offended by them, nah2
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midlomel1971 wrote: »I think it's *kitten* that you'd never see these kind of plates geared towards men. Do they have Dad Jeans plates?
Suspenders circle - beer gut circle - high school jeans circle
Or the circles would be along the lines of manlet, swole, beastly/gun show or some other manly variations in ascending order propagating the trope of 'Eat like a man!' and you have to be the hulk to be "manly"2 -
midlomel1971 wrote: »I think it's *kitten* that you'd never see these kind of plates geared towards men. Do they have Dad Jeans plates?
Is it also *kitten* that you don't see kitchen utensils geared towards men?1 -
midlomel1971 wrote: »I think it's *kitten* that you'd never see these kind of plates geared towards men. Do they have Dad Jeans plates?
Is it also *kitten* that you don't see kitchen utensils geared towards men?
As in that the assumption is that only women cook because of the idea that a woman's place is in the kitchen and that conversely, the only place men can cooking food at is outside on a grill? Yes. There's been more than a little discussion of this in various arenas. There's also been quite a lot of discussion about the societal idea that men can be paid to cook (as chefs) but women can't.
Sociology and women's studies (and gender studies)...this isn't new.
edit: you could probably also find this in some subdisciplines of anthropology as well and if you're looking at language you'd be able to find plenty of discussion about this if you're looking at sociolinguistics and some subfields of discourse analysis.4 -
midlomel1971 wrote: »I think it's *kitten* that you'd never see these kind of plates geared towards men. Do they have Dad Jeans plates?
Is it also *kitten* that you don't see kitchen utensils geared towards men?
As in that the assumption is that only women cook because of the idea that a woman's place is in the kitchen and that conversely, the only place men can cooking food at is outside on a grill? Yes. There's been more than a little discussion of this in various arenas. There's also been quite a lot of discussion about the societal idea that men can be paid to cook (as chefs) but women can't.
Sociology and women's studies (and gender studies)...this isn't new.
edit: you could probably also find this in some subdisciplines of anthropology as well and if you're looking at language you'd be able to find plenty of discussion about this if you're looking at sociolinguistics and some subfields of discourse analysis.
As in people are going to design, market, and sell their products in ways that make them the most money. Not designing a similar plate for men is not sexist. It's business. most men don't care about what their plate looks like. Same reason Mobil doesn't make/market oil for women... not because women CAN'T change their oil or have their car serviced... but because most women don't care about what kind of oil is in their car. How many commercials for ED meds run during daytime soap operas? Probably zero. How many tampon commercials run during Saturday's coverage of the Masters?
It's a business decision, not a statement on gender, appearance, ability, or place in society. At most, it's a reflection of current society.15 -
midlomel1971 wrote: »I think it's *kitten* that you'd never see these kind of plates geared towards men. Do they have Dad Jeans plates?
Is it also *kitten* that you don't see kitchen utensils geared towards men?
As in that the assumption is that only women cook because of the idea that a woman's place is in the kitchen and that conversely, the only place men can cooking food at is outside on a grill? Yes. There's been more than a little discussion of this in various arenas. There's also been quite a lot of discussion about the societal idea that men can be paid to cook (as chefs) but women can't.
Sociology and women's studies (and gender studies)...this isn't new.
edit: you could probably also find this in some subdisciplines of anthropology as well and if you're looking at language you'd be able to find plenty of discussion about this if you're looking at sociolinguistics and some subfields of discourse analysis.
As in people are going to design, market, and sell their products in ways that make them the most money. Not designing a similar plate for men is not sexist. It's business. most men don't care about what their plate looks like. Same reason Mobil doesn't make/market oil for women... not because women CAN'T change their oil or have their car serviced... but because most women don't care about what kind of oil is in their car. How many commercials for ED meds run during daytime soap operas? Probably zero. How many tampon commercials run during Saturday's coverage of the Masters?
It's a business decision, not a statement on gender, appearance, ability, or place in society. At most, it's a reflection of current society.
I really suggest that you read some intro sociology and/or gender studies texts if you want to look at this issue critically.10 -
midlomel1971 wrote: »I think it's *kitten* that you'd never see these kind of plates geared towards men. Do they have Dad Jeans plates?
Is it also *kitten* that you don't see kitchen utensils geared towards men?
As in that the assumption is that only women cook because of the idea that a woman's place is in the kitchen and that conversely, the only place men can cooking food at is outside on a grill? Yes. There's been more than a little discussion of this in various arenas. There's also been quite a lot of discussion about the societal idea that men can be paid to cook (as chefs) but women can't.
Sociology and women's studies (and gender studies)...this isn't new.
edit: you could probably also find this in some subdisciplines of anthropology as well and if you're looking at language you'd be able to find plenty of discussion about this if you're looking at sociolinguistics and some subfields of discourse analysis.
As in people are going to design, market, and sell their products in ways that make them the most money. Not designing a similar plate for men is not sexist. It's business. most men don't care about what their plate looks like. Same reason Mobil doesn't make/market oil for women... not because women CAN'T change their oil or have their car serviced... but because most women don't care about what kind of oil is in their car. How many commercials for ED meds run during daytime soap operas? Probably zero. How many tampon commercials run during Saturday's coverage of the Masters?
It's a business decision, not a statement on gender, appearance, ability, or place in society. At most, it's a reflection of current society.
I really suggest that you read some intro sociology and/or gender studies texts if you want to look at this issue critically.
I'm not saying that ideas about how a woman should look/dress, where she should work, etc don't exist. I know they do.
I'm saying that I think it's a leap to suggest that companies making and marketing products with gender bias are also making intentional statements about how those genders should act, look, live. They are making and marketing products within existing generalizations (stereotypes) as a way to target and audience they think will be most receptive to their product.14 -
midlomel1971 wrote: »I think it's *kitten* that you'd never see these kind of plates geared towards men. Do they have Dad Jeans plates?
Is it also *kitten* that you don't see kitchen utensils geared towards men?
As in that the assumption is that only women cook because of the idea that a woman's place is in the kitchen and that conversely, the only place men can cooking food at is outside on a grill? Yes. There's been more than a little discussion of this in various arenas. There's also been quite a lot of discussion about the societal idea that men can be paid to cook (as chefs) but women can't.
Sociology and women's studies (and gender studies)...this isn't new.
edit: you could probably also find this in some subdisciplines of anthropology as well and if you're looking at language you'd be able to find plenty of discussion about this if you're looking at sociolinguistics and some subfields of discourse analysis.
As in people are going to design, market, and sell their products in ways that make them the most money. Not designing a similar plate for men is not sexist. It's business. most men don't care about what their plate looks like. Same reason Mobil doesn't make/market oil for women... not because women CAN'T change their oil or have their car serviced... but because most women don't care about what kind of oil is in their car. How many commercials for ED meds run during daytime soap operas? Probably zero. How many tampon commercials run during Saturday's coverage of the Masters?
It's a business decision, not a statement on gender, appearance, ability, or place in society. At most, it's a reflection of current society.
I really suggest that you read some intro sociology and/or gender studies texts if you want to look at this issue critically.
They ceased critical evaluation back in the 1980s and adopted a full post-modernist mentality. As there is no objective truth, then there is no point to debate.7 -
midlomel1971 wrote: »I think it's *kitten* that you'd never see these kind of plates geared towards men. Do they have Dad Jeans plates?
Is it also *kitten* that you don't see kitchen utensils geared towards men?
As in that the assumption is that only women cook because of the idea that a woman's place is in the kitchen and that conversely, the only place men can cooking food at is outside on a grill? Yes. There's been more than a little discussion of this in various arenas. There's also been quite a lot of discussion about the societal idea that men can be paid to cook (as chefs) but women can't.
Sociology and women's studies (and gender studies)...this isn't new.
edit: you could probably also find this in some subdisciplines of anthropology as well and if you're looking at language you'd be able to find plenty of discussion about this if you're looking at sociolinguistics and some subfields of discourse analysis.
As in people are going to design, market, and sell their products in ways that make them the most money. Not designing a similar plate for men is not sexist. It's business. most men don't care about what their plate looks like. Same reason Mobil doesn't make/market oil for women... not because women CAN'T change their oil or have their car serviced... but because most women don't care about what kind of oil is in their car. How many commercials for ED meds run during daytime soap operas? Probably zero. How many tampon commercials run during Saturday's coverage of the Masters?
It's a business decision, not a statement on gender, appearance, ability, or place in society. At most, it's a reflection of current society.
Yup.1 -
Not to mention there was plate somewhat geared towards men
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I'd buy a set.
Off to see if anyone with a wholesale account is now buying directly from the manufacturer and reselling. 'Merica!
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midlomel1971 wrote: »I think it's *kitten* that you'd never see these kind of plates geared towards men. Do they have Dad Jeans plates?
Is it also *kitten* that you don't see kitchen utensils geared towards men?
As in that the assumption is that only women cook because of the idea that a woman's place is in the kitchen and that conversely, the only place men can cooking food at is outside on a grill? Yes. There's been more than a little discussion of this in various arenas. There's also been quite a lot of discussion about the societal idea that men can be paid to cook (as chefs) but women can't.
Sociology and women's studies (and gender studies)...this isn't new.
edit: you could probably also find this in some subdisciplines of anthropology as well and if you're looking at language you'd be able to find plenty of discussion about this if you're looking at sociolinguistics and some subfields of discourse analysis.
As in people are going to design, market, and sell their products in ways that make them the most money. Not designing a similar plate for men is not sexist. It's business. most men don't care about what their plate looks like. Same reason Mobil doesn't make/market oil for women... not because women CAN'T change their oil or have their car serviced... but because most women don't care about what kind of oil is in their car. How many commercials for ED meds run during daytime soap operas? Probably zero. How many tampon commercials run during Saturday's coverage of the Masters?
It's a business decision, not a statement on gender, appearance, ability, or place in society. At most, it's a reflection of current society.
I really suggest that you read some intro sociology and/or gender studies texts if you want to look at this issue critically.
I'm not saying that ideas about how a woman should look/dress, where she should work, etc don't exist. I know they do.
I'm saying that I think it's a leap to suggest that companies making and marketing products with gender bias are also making intentional statements about how those genders should act, look, live. They are making and marketing products within existing generalizations (stereotypes) as a way to target and audience they think will be most receptive to their product.
I would argue that it's a systemic issue. It's not like one individual person decided, for instance, that women aren't good at STEM related fields so what's the point in having women's restrooms at Cape Canaveral Air Force Station during the Apollo 11 launch?8 -
You know you live in a pretty great society when the only thing people have to complain about is words on a plate and a half-century old restroom situation.
Oh - I almost forgot... manspreading. Forget what I just said - our society sucks.7
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