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I was just reading a gaming subreddit and they were talking about the virus. Someone from Australia mentioned that they have a toilet paper crisis. It's almost like stampedes when they're in stock, and a shopper even pulled out a knife on another over a TP roll.
I found that funny and sad at the same time. I know covering things up and not reporting cases doesn't end well, but all the media coverage is causing overblown mass hysteria. I wonder if this needs to be handled better.3 -
cmriverside wrote: »Yoda had a baby?
I am SO out of the loop.
Mr Peanut died and now there's a baby peanut too.
(That was revealed (Baby Peanut) at a commercial during the Super Bowl and we all immediately thought "Baby Yoda ripoff.")6 -
amusedmonkey wrote: »I was just reading a gaming subreddit and they were talking about the virus. Someone from Australia mentioned that they have a toilet paper crisis. It's almost like stampedes when they're in stock, and a shopper even pulled out a knife on another over a TP roll.
I found that funny and sad at the same time. I know covering things up and not reporting cases doesn't end well, but all the media coverage is causing overblown mass hysteria. I wonder if this needs to be handled better.
The population interest and behavior are interrelated in both directions with the media coverage.
Yes, some people get whipped up by media coverage, and some media outlets are more irresponsible and alarmist than others. But here, the mainstream media coverage I've seen has been accurate . . . and arguably, a needful counter to the truly idiotic conspiracy theorizing and ignorant meme-postings I've seen circulating on social media.5 -
As others have said I am not concerned about the virus I am concerned about the reaction to the virus. I have a disaster preparedness kit. I have a pantry and a freezer. I could easily go a a couple of months on food... it would get pretty boring but we would not starve. I think I could manage 3 week on hygienic items right now. This is really all without buying anything more although I did place a Prime Pantry order for a little more TP, and toothpaste. I was already at a place where I needed more dog food.
I am not cancelling any of our plans including an upcoming cruise. I do not allow myself to be impacted (at least greatly impacted) by the 24 hour news cycle. It is a money making venture and the appeal to emotion fear is good for business.4 -
The response right now doesn't make any sense. One confirmed case is resulting in shutting down a school or workplace, yet those with mild symptoms may not be tested at all (rightfully so, I think). Short of a full-on shutdown of the country, which isn't going to happen, it's going to spread and it won't be a concern for most. So it would seem to make sense to focus efforts on the most vulnerable.
*Edited to remove a reference to CDC guidelines, which I discovered have just changed.4 -
So, since I am at Ground Zero here in north Seattle, two miles from the nursing home deaths and I'm in my mid-sixties, I've been reading all kinds of stuff on the WHO and CDC websites.
One of the questions I had was why do our immune systems get weaker as we get older and in a related question what can I do to fight that. Turns out it's all the things we talk about already on this site:
1. Eat well. A varied diet of lots of fruits and vegetables along with varied sources of protein, grains, nuts, legumes.
2. Get enough sleep.
3. Exercise
4. Maintain a healthy weight. Excess weight causes inflammation which over-works the immune system and can lead to other problems such as diabetes and circulatory illness which makes any viral attack much more dangerous.13 -
..and then the obvious: Don't smoke. Drink alcohol moderately.6
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The response right now doesn't make any sense. One confirmed case is resulting in shutting down a school or workplace, yet the CDC guideline is to only test those requiring hospitalization (rightfully so, I think). Short of a full-on shutdown of the country, which isn't going to happen, it's going to spread and it won't be a concern for most. So it would seem to make sense to focus efforts on the most vulnerable.
This morning they are saying (federal) that everyone can get tested but they need their doctor's recommendation. No hospitalization required.
Each school district can make their own call on school shutdowns. So far in the U.S. no Public Health Department has mandated anything.
In my area I think about a dozen schools have closed for one or two days TO CLEAN because someone who works or goes to school there has a positive diagnosis. Obviously they can't stay closed. I would think a lot of it is just preventative and strictly about containment/reduction of cases - can't save everyone and kids are going to be the worst at nonpharmaceutical interventions like hygiene.
Wash your hands!!5 -
The response right now doesn't make any sense. One confirmed case is resulting in shutting down a school or workplace, yet the CDC guideline is to only test those requiring hospitalization (rightfully so, I think). Short of a full-on shutdown of the country, which isn't going to happen, it's going to spread and it won't be a concern for most. So it would seem to make sense to focus efforts on the most vulnerable.
Ideally there would always be a high focus of efforts on the most vulnerable.
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As others have said I am not concerned about the virus I am concerned about the reaction to the virus. I have a disaster preparedness kit. I have a pantry and a freezer. I could easily go a a couple of months on food... it would get pretty boring but we would not starve. I think I could manage 3 week on hygienic items right now. This is really all without buying anything more although I did place a Prime Pantry order for a little more TP, and toothpaste. I was already at a place where I needed more dog food.
I am not cancelling any of our plans including an upcoming cruise. I do not allow myself to be impacted (at least greatly impacted) by the 24 hour news cycle. It is a money making venture and the appeal to emotion fear is good for business.
I refuse to sit around in fear and panic as well. The virus has been in the US since almost the start. The thing is, since it is flu season and we were not looking for it, illnesses and even deaths were most likely written off as flu and pneumonia. I know of people who were sick, went to be looked at, had very distinct Coronavirus symptoms, but were not tested because they hadn't been to China or around someone who had been. There are a bunch of stories like that.
Will I buy a couple things this week that I maybe would have held off on for another week or so? Sure. Honestly, when you have medical issues that often result in increase bathroom usage, there is never such a thing as too much toilet paper. But I am not going to start hoarding canned food and other supplies. That is just a silly over reaction.
Now, I do have few concerns. (1) is the fact that I pretty much always have a cough and chest congestion due to year round allergies. So I worry that people will treat me horribly even though I am not sick. (2) I am allergic to the majority of soaps that are used in public restrooms. As in, my hands will blister and I will get open sores. So I CAN'T use that soap! Often what I have to do is wash my hands under warm/hot water. I scrub for a longer period of time then most people who do use the soap. Then I will use a safe hand sanitize. Sorry all. It's the best I can do because open wounds on my hands is just asking for OTHER infections. (3) Medications. Some medications can not be refilled ahead of time. If I can't go to the pharmacy and get my refill then I am in danger of withdrawl symptoms that can be dangerous (anti depression and anxiety meds). I wish I could "stock up" in case... but I can't. It's not allowed.4 -
cmriverside wrote: »The response right now doesn't make any sense. One confirmed case is resulting in shutting down a school or workplace, yet the CDC guideline is to only test those requiring hospitalization (rightfully so, I think). Short of a full-on shutdown of the country, which isn't going to happen, it's going to spread and it won't be a concern for most. So it would seem to make sense to focus efforts on the most vulnerable.
This morning they are saying (federal) that everyone can get tested but they need their doctor's recommendation. No hospitalization required.
Just saw that myself and came back to edit
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As others have said I am not concerned about the virus I am concerned about the reaction to the virus. I have a disaster preparedness kit. I have a pantry and a freezer. I could easily go a a couple of months on food... it would get pretty boring but we would not starve. I think I could manage 3 week on hygienic items right now. This is really all without buying anything more although I did place a Prime Pantry order for a little more TP, and toothpaste. I was already at a place where I needed more dog food.
I am not cancelling any of our plans including an upcoming cruise. I do not allow myself to be impacted (at least greatly impacted) by the 24 hour news cycle. It is a money making venture and the appeal to emotion fear is good for business.
I refuse to sit around in fear and panic as well. The virus has been in the US since almost the start. The thing is, since it is flu season and we were not looking for it, illnesses and even deaths were most likely written off as flu and pneumonia. I know of people who were sick, went to be looked at, had very distinct Coronavirus symptoms, but were not tested because they hadn't been to China or around someone who had been. There are a bunch of stories like that.
Will I buy a couple things this week that I maybe would have held off on for another week or so? Sure. Honestly, when you have medical issues that often result in increase bathroom usage, there is never such a thing as too much toilet paper. But I am not going to start hoarding canned food and other supplies. That is just a silly over reaction.
Now, I do have few concerns. (1) is the fact that I pretty much always have a cough and chest congestion due to year round allergies. So I worry that people will treat me horribly even though I am not sick. (2) I am allergic to the majority of soaps that are used in public restrooms. As in, my hands will blister and I will get open sores. So I CAN'T use that soap! Often what I have to do is wash my hands under warm/hot water. I scrub for a longer period of time then most people who do use the soap. Then I will use a safe hand sanitize. Sorry all. It's the best I can do because open wounds on my hands is just asking for OTHER infections. (3) Medications. Some medications can not be refilled ahead of time. If I can't go to the pharmacy and get my refill then I am in danger of withdrawl symptoms that can be dangerous (anti depression and anxiety meds). I wish I could "stock up" in case... but I can't. It's not allowed.
Your pharmacy likely has a delivery option or someone can pick them up for you if you're sick for an extended time. Don't panic.
You won't be left without your meds.5 -
As others have said I am not concerned about the virus I am concerned about the reaction to the virus. I have a disaster preparedness kit. I have a pantry and a freezer. I could easily go a a couple of months on food... it would get pretty boring but we would not starve. I think I could manage 3 week on hygienic items right now. This is really all without buying anything more although I did place a Prime Pantry order for a little more TP, and toothpaste. I was already at a place where I needed more dog food.
I am not cancelling any of our plans including an upcoming cruise. I do not allow myself to be impacted (at least greatly impacted) by the 24 hour news cycle. It is a money making venture and the appeal to emotion fear is good for business.
(3) Medications. Some medications can not be refilled ahead of time. If I can't go to the pharmacy and get my refill then I am in danger of withdrawl symptoms that can be dangerous (anti depression and anxiety meds). I wish I could "stock up" in case... but I can't. It's not allowed.
I've thought about this too. What do people do who can't "get an advance" on their meds whether due to insurance or other reasons?0 -
cmriverside wrote: »So, since I am at Ground Zero here in north Seattle, two miles from the nursing home deaths and I'm in my mid-sixties, I've been reading all kinds of stuff on the WHO and CDC websites.
One of the questions I had was why do our immune systems get weaker as we get older and in a related question what can I do to fight that. Turns out it's all the things we talk about already on this site:
1. Eat well. A varied diet of lots of fruits and vegetables along with varied sources of protein, grains, nuts, legumes.
2. Get enough sleep.
3. Exercise
4. Maintain a healthy weight. Excess weight causes inflammation which over-works the immune system and can lead to other problems such as diabetes and circulatory illness which makes any viral attack much more dangerous.cmriverside wrote: »..and then the obvious: Don't smoke. Drink alcohol moderately.
Well, then my 82 yo mom is in good shape
Fingers crossed for those who are not or who have loved ones at risk.2 -
As others have said I am not concerned about the virus I am concerned about the reaction to the virus. I have a disaster preparedness kit. I have a pantry and a freezer. I could easily go a a couple of months on food... it would get pretty boring but we would not starve. I think I could manage 3 week on hygienic items right now. This is really all without buying anything more although I did place a Prime Pantry order for a little more TP, and toothpaste. I was already at a place where I needed more dog food.
I am not cancelling any of our plans including an upcoming cruise. I do not allow myself to be impacted (at least greatly impacted) by the 24 hour news cycle. It is a money making venture and the appeal to emotion fear is good for business.
I refuse to sit around in fear and panic as well. The virus has been in the US since almost the start. The thing is, since it is flu season and we were not looking for it, illnesses and even deaths were most likely written off as flu and pneumonia. I know of people who were sick, went to be looked at, had very distinct Coronavirus symptoms, but were not tested because they hadn't been to China or around someone who had been. There are a bunch of stories like that.
Will I buy a couple things this week that I maybe would have held off on for another week or so? Sure. Honestly, when you have medical issues that often result in increase bathroom usage, there is never such a thing as too much toilet paper. But I am not going to start hoarding canned food and other supplies. That is just a silly over reaction.
Now, I do have few concerns. (1) is the fact that I pretty much always have a cough and chest congestion due to year round allergies. So I worry that people will treat me horribly even though I am not sick. (2) I am allergic to the majority of soaps that are used in public restrooms. As in, my hands will blister and I will get open sores. So I CAN'T use that soap! Often what I have to do is wash my hands under warm/hot water. I scrub for a longer period of time then most people who do use the soap. Then I will use a safe hand sanitize. Sorry all. It's the best I can do because open wounds on my hands is just asking for OTHER infections. (3) Medications. Some medications can not be refilled ahead of time. If I can't go to the pharmacy and get my refill then I am in danger of withdrawl symptoms that can be dangerous (anti depression and anxiety meds). I wish I could "stock up" in case... but I can't. It's not allowed.
You can get medications delivered to you these days. If not, if your pharmacy has a drive-thru that keeps you safely away from anyone and you take precautions then I don't see why you shouldn't just do that. What a lot of people are missing is that you will not have an armed guard in front of your home enforcing a quarantine. It will be voluntary. If it gets bad enough there will be ways to get medication or guidelines to follow if you need to go out and get it.
That all assumes that you or someone in your house gets sick.2 -
kshama2001 wrote: »cmriverside wrote: »So, since I am at Ground Zero here in north Seattle, two miles from the nursing home deaths and I'm in my mid-sixties, I've been reading all kinds of stuff on the WHO and CDC websites.
One of the questions I had was why do our immune systems get weaker as we get older and in a related question what can I do to fight that. Turns out it's all the things we talk about already on this site:
1. Eat well. A varied diet of lots of fruits and vegetables along with varied sources of protein, grains, nuts, legumes.
2. Get enough sleep.
3. Exercise
4. Maintain a healthy weight. Excess weight causes inflammation which over-works the immune system and can lead to other problems such as diabetes and circulatory illness which makes any viral attack much more dangerous.cmriverside wrote: »..and then the obvious: Don't smoke. Drink alcohol moderately.
Well, then my 82 yo mom is in good shape
Fingers crossed for those who are not or who have loved ones at risk.
Unfortunately a lot of the decline in immune function cannot be prevented it's just part of aging but I'm giving myself a very good fighting chance as well.
All of us know vulnerable people.
Wash your hands.
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amusedmonkey wrote: »I was just reading a gaming subreddit and they were talking about the virus. Someone from Australia mentioned that they have a toilet paper crisis. It's almost like stampedes when they're in stock, and a shopper even pulled out a knife on another over a TP roll.
I found that funny and sad at the same time. I know covering things up and not reporting cases doesn't end well, but all the media coverage is causing overblown mass hysteria. I wonder if this needs to be handled better.
The population interest and behavior are interrelated in both directions with the media coverage.
Yes, some people get whipped up by media coverage, and some media outlets are more irresponsible and alarmist than others. But here, the mainstream media coverage I've seen has been accurate . . . and arguably, a needful counter to the truly idiotic conspiracy theorizing and ignorant meme-postings I've seen circulating on social media.
Yes, I think the traditional news has been handling it responsibly. It's social media that is causing the problems. From one side with conspiracy theories and from the other side with panic. Unfortunately, too many people get what they think is information from social media and won't watch the news because it's biased.8 -
As others have said I am not concerned about the virus I am concerned about the reaction to the virus. I have a disaster preparedness kit. I have a pantry and a freezer. I could easily go a a couple of months on food... it would get pretty boring but we would not starve. I think I could manage 3 week on hygienic items right now. This is really all without buying anything more although I did place a Prime Pantry order for a little more TP, and toothpaste. I was already at a place where I needed more dog food.
I am not cancelling any of our plans including an upcoming cruise. I do not allow myself to be impacted (at least greatly impacted) by the 24 hour news cycle. It is a money making venture and the appeal to emotion fear is good for business.
(3) Medications. Some medications can not be refilled ahead of time. If I can't go to the pharmacy and get my refill then I am in danger of withdrawl symptoms that can be dangerous (anti depression and anxiety meds). I wish I could "stock up" in case... but I can't. It's not allowed.
I've thought about this too. What do people do who can't "get an advance" on their meds whether due to insurance or other reasons?
Yet another failing of the US healthcare system, we can't help but shoot ourselves in the foot
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As others have said I am not concerned about the virus I am concerned about the reaction to the virus. I have a disaster preparedness kit. I have a pantry and a freezer. I could easily go a a couple of months on food... it would get pretty boring but we would not starve. I think I could manage 3 week on hygienic items right now. This is really all without buying anything more although I did place a Prime Pantry order for a little more TP, and toothpaste. I was already at a place where I needed more dog food.
I am not cancelling any of our plans including an upcoming cruise. I do not allow myself to be impacted (at least greatly impacted) by the 24 hour news cycle. It is a money making venture and the appeal to emotion fear is good for business.
(3) Medications. Some medications can not be refilled ahead of time. If I can't go to the pharmacy and get my refill then I am in danger of withdrawl symptoms that can be dangerous (anti depression and anxiety meds). I wish I could "stock up" in case... but I can't. It's not allowed.
I've thought about this too. What do people do who can't "get an advance" on their meds whether due to insurance or other reasons?
Yet another failing of the US healthcare system, we can't help but shoot ourselves in the foot
More importance placed on defense than the health of the citizens. Will it ever change here? Doesn’t appear likely.8 -
As others have said I am not concerned about the virus I am concerned about the reaction to the virus. I have a disaster preparedness kit. I have a pantry and a freezer. I could easily go a a couple of months on food... it would get pretty boring but we would not starve. I think I could manage 3 week on hygienic items right now. This is really all without buying anything more although I did place a Prime Pantry order for a little more TP, and toothpaste. I was already at a place where I needed more dog food.
I am not cancelling any of our plans including an upcoming cruise. I do not allow myself to be impacted (at least greatly impacted) by the 24 hour news cycle. It is a money making venture and the appeal to emotion fear is good for business.
I refuse to sit around in fear and panic as well. The virus has been in the US since almost the start. The thing is, since it is flu season and we were not looking for it, illnesses and even deaths were most likely written off as flu and pneumonia. I know of people who were sick, went to be looked at, had very distinct Coronavirus symptoms, but were not tested because they hadn't been to China or around someone who had been. There are a bunch of stories like that.
Will I buy a couple things this week that I maybe would have held off on for another week or so? Sure. Honestly, when you have medical issues that often result in increase bathroom usage, there is never such a thing as too much toilet paper. But I am not going to start hoarding canned food and other supplies. That is just a silly over reaction.
Now, I do have few concerns. (1) is the fact that I pretty much always have a cough and chest congestion due to year round allergies. So I worry that people will treat me horribly even though I am not sick. (2) I am allergic to the majority of soaps that are used in public restrooms. As in, my hands will blister and I will get open sores. So I CAN'T use that soap! Often what I have to do is wash my hands under warm/hot water. I scrub for a longer period of time then most people who do use the soap. Then I will use a safe hand sanitize. Sorry all. It's the best I can do because open wounds on my hands is just asking for OTHER infections. (3) Medications. Some medications can not be refilled ahead of time. If I can't go to the pharmacy and get my refill then I am in danger of withdrawl symptoms that can be dangerous (anti depression and anxiety meds). I wish I could "stock up" in case... but I can't. It's not allowed.
You can get medications delivered to you these days. If not, if your pharmacy has a drive-thru that keeps you safely away from anyone and you take precautions then I don't see why you shouldn't just do that. What a lot of people are missing is that you will not have an armed guard in front of your home enforcing a quarantine. It will be voluntary. If it gets bad enough there will be ways to get medication or guidelines to follow if you need to go out and get it.
That all assumes that you or someone in your house gets sick.
These are all good points. I guess I was thinking more along the lines of businesses being shut down or the supply chain interrupted. As part of the guidance I have seen, they do mention keeping a supply of medication on hand, which is what prompted me to wonder about the whole thing.
BTW, my personality is such that I can worry about virtually anything, but I'm actually not too concerned about this, except for those in my life who are part of the high-risk population.
Edited to add: There is also the element that, in our case, we live in a rural area with only 1 pharmacy in a 30 mile or so radius, and I'm sure we are not alone in that.1
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