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kshama2001 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »Just caught up on this thread. I'll give you news from Rome. We're pretty much in quarantine. Closings: Gyms, pools, health centers, pubs, museums, archeological sites, masses (churches will be open for personal prayer only), restaurants and coffee bars will be closing at 6 in the evening, tours of any kind, marathons, sporting events, schools, universities, ...... the list is very long. I'm enjoying your comments, because that's what I thought a week or two ago. Things have changed radically. This is very serious--no joke. China did not build a huge new hospital in 10 days because of propaganda. Flights are not being cancelled on a whim. Northern Italy does not have enough hospital beds or equipment, or personal to handle this. An older immunologist said he had never seen anything like it. Am I panicking? No, we're in the soup now and will see it through. I got in a nice long swim this morning and it will be the last one for quite a while.
My advice. Panicking causes lots of problems. So don't do it. Follow the indications given by your government. This is not going to be over soon. We are assured that grocery stores will be replenished. Old and the infirm are asked to stay home as much as possible. There's nowhere to go right now anyway. Anyone with a fever and or cough is to call their doctor and not to go to the emergency room. Will keep you abreast of happenings in Italy. Is the economy going to hell--oh yes. Sigh. It wasn't that great to begin with.
Stay safe and thanks for updating us. I agree with everything you said except the follow my govt. part. That will get me killed. I will try to find viable sites such as WHO and local health advisors. etc that might be more accurate.snowflake954 wrote: »I wrote the part about the government because they're trying to contain the northern outbreak by extending the quarantine. People found out about it late at night and those that live in the rest of Italy, especially college students, quickly packed up and flooded the train stations in the middle of the night and left Milan. They can be contagious and may spread the virus far and wide. Italians are used to doing what they want--the rules are for others, so now to see what happens.
@snowflake954 - thanks for updating us. I appreciate hearing your point of view. Good luck.
I'm not @bearly63 but we probably have the same concern about "Follow the indications given by your government" - here in the US our president has been making statement that directly contradict health officials, such as implying that it is ok to go to work with the coronavirus. Full quotes in article, plus I have seen all his statements on video.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/just-my-hunch-trump-contradicts-health-experts-coronavirus-n1151006
Experts say the death rate is 3.4 percent. Trump says that's 'false.'
Experts predict 'more cases.' Trump says U.S. cases are 'going very substantially down.'
Trump says a vaccine is coming soon. Experts say not so fast.
Trump says coronavirus is 'like a flu.' Experts say it's 'multiple times' worse.
Trump says it's OK to go to work when sick. Experts say 'do not go to work.'
Trump says warm weather could 'kill the virus.' Experts say that's 'premature.'
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He also didn't want to let the infected Grand Princess cruise ship passengers into the country as it would negatively change the statistics.
https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-keep-passengers-on-grand-princess-cruise-ship-coronavirus-2020-3
During a tour at the CDC on Friday, President Donald Trump said that the experts he consults, including Vice President Mike Pence, want to take people off the ship. However, Trump said that he didn't want the passengers raising the total case count in the US.
"I like the numbers being where they are. I don't need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn't our fault," Trump said in a Fox News interview.
Very good segment on 60 Minutes tonite on the coronavirus, with interviews with top US public health officials. Worth watching.4 -
JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »I’m in a heavily hit are San Antonio Tx. Of course CDC isn’t even recording are way past 10+ or the fact they let a positive lady leave quarantine she went shopping y dining at the mall. (Lol she giving us Women a eye roll 🙄 thanks for furthering the we would shop in a zombie 🧟♀️ apocalypse even type stereotype lol 😂).
Getting hit hard by ads where they are trying to give the pizza away if you buy a $5 game card at Chuckie cheese 🧀 to stores having 50% off.The mayor saying stay indoors is hurting the businesses. Hubby scared of catching it since the one positive test it becomes a 3rd degree felony to leave quarantine. We’re housing cruise ship passengers.
My fears are running out of stuff for the baby 🍼 👶 cause of panicking shoppers buying 10yrs worth off diapers in one visit (Leave me 1-2 boxes please!) , not knowing if quarantine means they can separate Mom from baby or not (seems like it’s up to the judges 31 my state individually), y Quarantine leaving us unable to work when we have a mortgage to pay 💰!
Hubby afraid of the baby catching it ,bill paying,stock market to Businesses that hire him closing (private contractor), y working in a Coronovirus spot cause of 1 & 2.
My Dad has swine flu 😷 back in that decade it wasn’t like this no one kept you from your kids to shut a city down. He went to work used his vacation days to test a few weeks he almost died from it (asthmatic) but I fed him to played at his feet. Wasn’t that bad at all.
When I got a rare one from China somehow they never said which one but I had to be treated I still went to work as a single mom except 1 day for diahreah. I was around my now adult daughter no one quarantined us at all. (my kids are 20yr old Navy Daughter y a 3yr old (Birthday in a few days so 2yrs old right now but not for long!) I was around elderly parents.
Now I’m seeing this world wide shut downs to forced quarantines it’s just like a nightmare on steroids! No ones scared of the virus more the governments reactions to it!
My State if Texas Ted Cruz is quarantined for it being monitored because he came in contact. I remember folks panicking from the AIDS outbreak back in the day. My good friend was in elementary the adults tried to bar him from using the bathroom because he was born with AIDS (he was orphaned so grandmother took him in). I still remember that chaos’s heart breaking scars he had to endure (He died before turning 8yrs old I cried for months that’s all his memories of his life hateful people,so told my older cousin it hurt him to hear such mean things well he’s an AIDS Counselor now who helps get meds to treatment even know their rights so wasn’t in vain luckily) . Yes Ted Cruz came in contact with Pence to lots up there.
I agree with Trump (usually I only agree with a few things for any y all politician)on the whole just live life,go to work etc Problem is the WHO 🌎 disagrees to lots of others in power. They said we don’t have immunity.If I remember right I thought you have to get it to build an immunity in the first place to many Coronovirus’s. I can’t get a flu vaccine did it 2 times went to ER almost died allergic darn throat closed just like my Dad y grandma. My immunity was built by catching the flu built natural immunity haven’t got it in years when I do it’s so mild I think it’s my stomach condition acting up.
We have a stockpile anyways even before this only added a few things (not hand sanitizer) just diapers to protein powder for babies shakes.Fridge is empty but freezer y shelves have food good enough. Already a cleaning product hoarder before this I’m a wee bit of a clean freak - used to be my job I’ve cleaned hoarder homes to blood soaked hotel room ceiling to floor.You think Coronovirus is scary walk into those scenes! Talk about wanting gloves past your elbows!
"That which does not kill me makes me stronger." ~ Friedrich Nietzsche. You'll only naturally build immunity, if it doesn't kill you but you don't put yourself at risk of it, to attempt to build immunity because it might kill you instead of cure you & worse, also spread to others.5 -
JRsLateInLifeMom wrote: »Noveousdies- My 80 yr old Aunt answered the drinking water thinking she thinks the workers won’t be able to work so no one will treat the water for awhile due to city wide quarantines. I’d Normally say that wouldn’t happen! But with the weird new rules with this particular epidemic 😷 they might do it since I’m not sure they know what their doing at all up in the governments to organizations!
I don't believe that they'd allow that, to occur since access to clean water, prevents diseases via starting. They'd just've them, wear hazard suits.3 -
Decade Duchess- I’m also one of the vulnerable since childhood Doctors taught ne how to wear my winter mask 😷. I’m used to the stare’s poor Hubby isn’t lol 😂.
I never catch stuff on purpose but it happens even with proper gear to using it. Luckily my bosses all got used to my winter masks. Good news is I didn’t need to buy any have a box before this hit.
You can order online have it shipped to the house from eBay to Walmart to Costco to etc. places like Misfit Gardens ships veggie but it’s an assorted box so you’ll end up with radishes even .
For my sons 3rd birthday 🎁 having my Dad only come over for a home movie on Netflix y some home cooking,takeout,or a corner in an empty restaurant at an odd hour haven’t decided (older still alive y licking but gots dementia lives with my 70+yr old Aunt y 80+yr old Uncle. This was done when I became pregnant 2yrs post menopause my cousins thought this way they can help me).
My states past 22 people now so we’re still doing good as a state. Too bad there all where me y baby God mother (heart patient since birth) is lol.Told her it must be attracted to us only lol 😂. She said like a cat who knows you have a cat allergy meow 😻 lol 😆. Closest Coronovirus patient (either in hospital or home say ambulance with hazmat suits is less than 3minutes from my house) y Lackland Airforce Base 14 minutes they got a swinging door of patients flooding in y out. Luckily none have been military personnel. In California it’s all outside of Daughter Base so their not allowed to go to the stores off base even ...luckily she’s always been the kid at school who never caught anything at all if she did was when no one else had anything (She’s been sick for the first time ever twice on Base both times a cold).
Told Hubby at least we only have 1 little one at home his brother has 3 in diapers with store shelves full one minute empty the next harder hunting for what’s needed.4 -
@JRsLateInLifeMom Let your husband know that for some reason this virus doesn’t seem to be serious in young children. So far almost no children have died. One less thing to worry about!6
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »It’s in Memphis now, they announced a case earlier today. They are treating the case at Baptist hospital. My concern is that I’ve had many relatives in and out of Baptist and been in myself so I know they are just downright slap-happy about contagion - my dad got MRSA there, my mom kept getting urinary tract infections while recovering from major surgery, I constantly had to ask people to put on gloves before handling various lines and usually got an eye-roll in response.
I did witness a lady yesterday cough into her elbow, for the first time ever. Not that she had sense enough not to go out to eat even though she had a constant dry cough, but this is literally the first time I’ve ever seen a local person make a real effort to cover a cough. So... progress?
Also, washing my hands in the restroom next to two other ladies and handwashing has become sincere instead of a performative act. Both ladies were cursing the sinks at Shelby Farms which are made so it’s almost impossible to wash your hands properly. You bonk the top of the faucet and it comes on for about five seconds in a tiny dribble, then automatically shuts off. Also the faucet is so short that you have to bend your wrists and try really hard not to touch the side of the sink while holding your hands under the water. And there are never paper towels in the ladies’. As someone who washes hands I have known this for a while but it was new to everyone else who was just doing the “token finger dip” previously.
There’s a permanent professional sign next to the sinks bragging about how they are brand new and water efficient. “How are we supposed to get our hands clean if we keep having to touch this thing?” one lady complained. “If we’re supposed to wash for 20 seconds, why doesn’t the faucet stay on for that long?”
It is a mystery, dear lady. Truly a mystery.
I don't think it's an issue that's limited to that one hospital in Memphis. I heard on the news today that Italian hospitals have set up tents for triage outside of the hospitals to keep from infecting people who are in the hospitals for other health issues. What in the world?!? If you can't keep hospital staff from transmitting coronavirus from one patient to other, then you can't keep them from transmitting anything contagious (such as staph) from one patient to another. This is just insane. Public health officials are reminding ordinary people to wash their hands when they can't get doctors and nurses to do the same. (This is not a dig at Italian medical professionals. In decades of personal medical appointments and many times acting as the advocate for older relatives in hospitals in the U.S., I have hardly ever seen a doctor or nurse wash their hands or use the hand sanitizer that has in more recent years been installed in most hospital rooms. Dentists, yes. Physicians, no.)
And I too have known relatives, friends, acquaintances who picked up infections in the hospital. This shouldn't be such a common thing if the staff were following best practices.
The triage tents outside hospitals are to keep possibly infected people from spreading it around in the waiting room. Also people go to the emergency room for anything. In the tents they will be divided into possible Corona Virus--emergency protocol, other serious illness or injury--normal protocol, and people with nothing serious--sent home. Our doctors and nurses are heros, they work non-stop around the clock. There are a few fools, as in other professions, but I give them overall high votes on professional comportment.
We, in Italy, like Japan, have the highest percentage of seniors in our population plus Italy has a lot of smokers. It's obvious that we're going to have more deaths. We also went through the phase of the government saying one thing--the experts another. This was to reassure the general population. Just look at the TP hoarding. It takes nothing for people to go off the rails. I told my husband "don't listen to all that crap on the TV, just take a look at what they're doing--closing schools, quarantining areas, etc". That is what will tell you everything.9 -
snowflake954 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »It’s in Memphis now, they announced a case earlier today. They are treating the case at Baptist hospital. My concern is that I’ve had many relatives in and out of Baptist and been in myself so I know they are just downright slap-happy about contagion - my dad got MRSA there, my mom kept getting urinary tract infections while recovering from major surgery, I constantly had to ask people to put on gloves before handling various lines and usually got an eye-roll in response.
I did witness a lady yesterday cough into her elbow, for the first time ever. Not that she had sense enough not to go out to eat even though she had a constant dry cough, but this is literally the first time I’ve ever seen a local person make a real effort to cover a cough. So... progress?
Also, washing my hands in the restroom next to two other ladies and handwashing has become sincere instead of a performative act. Both ladies were cursing the sinks at Shelby Farms which are made so it’s almost impossible to wash your hands properly. You bonk the top of the faucet and it comes on for about five seconds in a tiny dribble, then automatically shuts off. Also the faucet is so short that you have to bend your wrists and try really hard not to touch the side of the sink while holding your hands under the water. And there are never paper towels in the ladies’. As someone who washes hands I have known this for a while but it was new to everyone else who was just doing the “token finger dip” previously.
There’s a permanent professional sign next to the sinks bragging about how they are brand new and water efficient. “How are we supposed to get our hands clean if we keep having to touch this thing?” one lady complained. “If we’re supposed to wash for 20 seconds, why doesn’t the faucet stay on for that long?”
It is a mystery, dear lady. Truly a mystery.
I don't think it's an issue that's limited to that one hospital in Memphis. I heard on the news today that Italian hospitals have set up tents for triage outside of the hospitals to keep from infecting people who are in the hospitals for other health issues. What in the world?!? If you can't keep hospital staff from transmitting coronavirus from one patient to other, then you can't keep them from transmitting anything contagious (such as staph) from one patient to another. This is just insane. Public health officials are reminding ordinary people to wash their hands when they can't get doctors and nurses to do the same. (This is not a dig at Italian medical professionals. In decades of personal medical appointments and many times acting as the advocate for older relatives in hospitals in the U.S., I have hardly ever seen a doctor or nurse wash their hands or use the hand sanitizer that has in more recent years been installed in most hospital rooms. Dentists, yes. Physicians, no.)
And I too have known relatives, friends, acquaintances who picked up infections in the hospital. This shouldn't be such a common thing if the staff were following best practices.
The triage tents outside hospitals are to keep possibly infected people from spreading it around in the waiting room. Also people go to the emergency room for anything. In the tents they will be divided into possible Corona Virus--emergency protocol, other serious illness or injury--normal protocol, and people with nothing serious--sent home. Our doctors and nurses are heros, they work non-stop around the clock. There are a few fools, as in other professions, but I give them overall high votes on professional comportment.
We, in Italy, like Japan, have the highest percentage of seniors in our population plus Italy has a lot of smokers. It's obvious that we're going to have more deaths. We also went through the phase of the government saying one thing--the experts another. This was to reassure the general population. Just look at the TP hoarding. It takes nothing for people to go off the rails. I told my husband "don't listen to all that crap on the TV, just take a look at what they're doing--closing schools, quarantining areas, etc". That is what will tell you everything.
As you say, people go to the emergency room for anything, even with contagious diseases that are far worse than COVID-19. If the current measures are necessary to protect other patients from people arriving at emergency rooms with contagious diseases, they should be in place all the time. If they are necessary and are not employed at other times, then the medical professionals are putting the health of the public at risk at other times. If they aren't necessary at other times, they aren't necessary now. And in any case, it's just moving the risk from the emergency room waiting rooms to the waiting areas for the triage tents. As I said before, this isn't a dig at Italian medical professionals in particular. It's a problem that can be found all over the world in measures taken just to make the public feel like authorities are doing something to protect them but which are in many respect more spectacle than protection.5 -
snowflake954 wrote: »I wrote the part about the government because they're trying to contain the northern outbreak by extending the quarantine. People found out about it late at night and those that live in the rest of Italy, especially college students, quickly packed up and flooded the train stations in the middle of the night and left Milan. They can be contagious and may spread the virus far and wide. Italians are used to doing what they want--the rules are for others, so now to see what happens.
We have our first case in my town (St Louis) because of a study abroad student returning in a hurry from Italy. Apparently she flew through Chicago, took an Amtrak home, and upon return did go to a local hospital for testing and the family was advised to self quarantine, only they didn’t... younger siblings went to school Friday and father took one of the daughters to a dance at a swanky hotel Saturday night. While they were there they got the confirmed presumptive positive diagnosis for the sister and immediately left but people here are outraged that they didn’t heed the recommendation for social quarantine to begin with.10 -
WinoGelato wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »I wrote the part about the government because they're trying to contain the northern outbreak by extending the quarantine. People found out about it late at night and those that live in the rest of Italy, especially college students, quickly packed up and flooded the train stations in the middle of the night and left Milan. They can be contagious and may spread the virus far and wide. Italians are used to doing what they want--the rules are for others, so now to see what happens.
We have our first case in my town (St Louis) because of a study abroad student returning in a hurry from Italy. Apparently she flew through Chicago, took an Amtrak home, and upon return did go to a local hospital for testing and the family was advised to self quarantine, only they didn’t... younger siblings went to school Friday and father took one of the daughters to a dance at a swanky hotel Saturday night. While they were there they got the confirmed presumptive positive diagnosis for the sister and immediately left but people here are outraged that they didn’t heed the recommendation for social quarantine to begin with.
One of our cases (we have 7 now) is the same reason -- Vanderbilt student returning home from a study abroad in Italy program. They apparently reached out to the people sitting around him in the plane for testing.0 -
I just got a work email asking employees to stop stealing the hand sanitizer gel that's left on top of filing cabinets.4
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Good hopeful news for a change:
https://komonews.com/news/local/behind-the-scenes-scientists-prep-for-covid-19-vaccine-test-03-08-20200 -
Their testing on monkeys 🐒 🐵 here in Texas to find a cure. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-07/texas-baboon-troop-enlisted-in-humankind-s-war-on-coronavirus
Glad it’s not bad in children that’s a blessing at least.
School closures I don’t fully get. I’m vulnerable my mother had chemo back in the day until she died (she lived 30+ yrs with a cancer they gave her a year to live with ). I wore a mask to school for myself y later in the year on her chemo weeks. Later I homeschooled but more to be her caregiver.
Sorry your coworkers are stealing the hand sanitizer lol 😂 sounds like you got a money saving dooms day prepper . Just bring a bar of soap in a ziplock bag in your pocket so you got something.
At Louis my Aunt y Cousins live there. Sure you don’t have more cases my cousin emailed me this one a few hours ago when it first came out . Family breaks quarantine to attend Father Daughter dance now whole school is closed down. Their forcing him by law to stay home now or it’s a felony . Was a Ascension Catholic School
https://www.kmov.com/news/st-louis-county-coronavirus-family-attends-villa-duchesne-dance/article_41ec34a4-6179-11ea-b3e3-6fbf809e7778.html1 -
The news itself may not be inflammatory but the teasers I briefly saw this morning were. I think that may be causing some of the perception that it is not being properly handled.
I see no point in dwelling on it or monitoring it that closely. I am taking reasonable precautions for my risk level and beyond that I am mostly ignoring it and continuing to live my life. I mentioned to someone that it was just a matter of time before it was reported in my state and they said it already had been reported so I am blissfully behind in my knowledge.
It is irrational and irresponsible for me to behave as if I stand the chance of dying from this. If I do and I start hoarding or just failing to carry on doing what I do I make it harder for people who are actually at risk to take steps to protect themselves. Of course this is not the only infectious disease that is taking the lives of people in the higher risk categories so I would hope they normally take reasonable precautions.
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So rather than watch the news last night with all of the various scary stories etc., I chose to watch a NetFlix Documentary and geek out. Yes....so it was called "Pandemic". I guess I can't look away from this stuff!
But that being said, it was pretty good. Follows various front line warriors in the fight against pandemics around the world, from doctors' perspectives, to universal vaccine researchers to the "anti-vaxxer" perspective. I found it interesting. Not nearly as fun as "Outlander" though.
Also found this to be interesting.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2020-03-05/how-bad-is-the-coronavirus-let-s-compare-with-sars-ebola-flu2 -
WinoGelato wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »I wrote the part about the government because they're trying to contain the northern outbreak by extending the quarantine. People found out about it late at night and those that live in the rest of Italy, especially college students, quickly packed up and flooded the train stations in the middle of the night and left Milan. They can be contagious and may spread the virus far and wide. Italians are used to doing what they want--the rules are for others, so now to see what happens.
We have our first case in my town (St Louis) because of a study abroad student returning in a hurry from Italy. Apparently she flew through Chicago, took an Amtrak home, and upon return did go to a local hospital for testing and the family was advised to self quarantine, only they didn’t... younger siblings went to school Friday and father took one of the daughters to a dance at a swanky hotel Saturday night. While they were there they got the confirmed presumptive positive diagnosis for the sister and immediately left but people here are outraged that they didn’t heed the recommendation for social quarantine to begin with.
This is typical behavior which got us in big trouble and it's still going on. An expert said something so true today (regarding negative comments here on the health care system), he said that you can have the best healthcare system in the world, but there is a point where it will be overwelmed. He said that's why their doing their best to slow down the advance, to give the hospitals time to work.3 -
Here's a CDC report as of March 3. Lean in on the 4th paragraph for details.
https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2020/s-0303-Additional-COVID-19-infections.html?deliveryName=USCDC_1_3-DM219252 -
WinoGelato wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »I wrote the part about the government because they're trying to contain the northern outbreak by extending the quarantine. People found out about it late at night and those that live in the rest of Italy, especially college students, quickly packed up and flooded the train stations in the middle of the night and left Milan. They can be contagious and may spread the virus far and wide. Italians are used to doing what they want--the rules are for others, so now to see what happens.
We have our first case in my town (St Louis) because of a study abroad student returning in a hurry from Italy. Apparently she flew through Chicago, took an Amtrak home, and upon return did go to a local hospital for testing and the family was advised to self quarantine, only they didn’t... younger siblings went to school Friday and father took one of the daughters to a dance at a swanky hotel Saturday night. While they were there they got the confirmed presumptive positive diagnosis for the sister and immediately left but people here are outraged that they didn’t heed the recommendation for social quarantine to begin with.
I feel there are MANY people who aren't staying quarantined when they should be.
I bet the majority of us, at any given time, stay in denial(about anything) until it smacks us in the face and we can no longer ignore it.
I mentioned in another post on the forums that some of our high school students were on an overseas trip to Italy, right before chaos ensued there. They were flown right back out(supposedly they weren't in the affected area??) and I *thought* they'd been in quarantine since then. Nope, just monitored for symptoms. They can be contagious during that period of time!! Soooo, if just 1 student shows symptoms the whole school, staff(which my dh is one and probably very vulnerable), families, etc., etc. have been exposed. That's how this thing is gaining momentum. There are over 1000 students at the h.s. 
You can only do so much to prevent this but besides practicing good hygiene, it's smart to aslo keep a social distance.7 -
More on the St. Louis student (from the Chi Trib):
"Health officials in Illinois and Missouri are trying to track down who came into close contact with a St. Louis woman who tested positive for the coronavirus after flying into O’Hare International Airport, staying with a friend here, then taking an Amtrak train to her home last week.
The woman, in her 20s, flew into O’Hare on Monday and took an Amtrak train to St. Louis on Wednesday, according to Missouri and St. Louis County officials. Officials did not know where she stayed in the Chicago area, or how she got to Union Station to board the Amtrak 303 train....
Meanwhile, Amtrak issued a statement saying the rail service is “working in close contact with public health and emergency management teams to have the best available information to be able to share with our customers and employees who might be affected.”
Amtrak said it was notifying passengers and employees who may have been on the same train. “As a precaution, we have taken the train out of service for comprehensive cleaning and disinfection, and are also working to do a thorough disinfection of the Chicago and St. Louis stations,” the statement said."
Given the number of people who were brought home from programs in Italy, it seems like it would make sense to test them immediately (but we seem to not have enough tests for that). Locally, I know Loyola U brought home students who were studying in Rome, and so did various other local schools and U of I. And as mentioned earlier, one of the known cases in Chicago is a student who was brought home from a Vanderbilt (in Nashville) study abroad program in Italy.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-coronavirus-illinois-universities-20200301-qjd35y5e7zconarnyqrwuw6njq-story.html3 -
One thing about all this: public spaces are getting cleaner than they've been in years, what with all the shut downs for disinfecting.....7
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »It’s in Memphis now, they announced a case earlier today. They are treating the case at Baptist hospital. My concern is that I’ve had many relatives in and out of Baptist and been in myself so I know they are just downright slap-happy about contagion - my dad got MRSA there, my mom kept getting urinary tract infections while recovering from major surgery, I constantly had to ask people to put on gloves before handling various lines and usually got an eye-roll in response.
I did witness a lady yesterday cough into her elbow, for the first time ever. Not that she had sense enough not to go out to eat even though she had a constant dry cough, but this is literally the first time I’ve ever seen a local person make a real effort to cover a cough. So... progress?
Also, washing my hands in the restroom next to two other ladies and handwashing has become sincere instead of a performative act. Both ladies were cursing the sinks at Shelby Farms which are made so it’s almost impossible to wash your hands properly. You bonk the top of the faucet and it comes on for about five seconds in a tiny dribble, then automatically shuts off. Also the faucet is so short that you have to bend your wrists and try really hard not to touch the side of the sink while holding your hands under the water. And there are never paper towels in the ladies’. As someone who washes hands I have known this for a while but it was new to everyone else who was just doing the “token finger dip” previously.
There’s a permanent professional sign next to the sinks bragging about how they are brand new and water efficient. “How are we supposed to get our hands clean if we keep having to touch this thing?” one lady complained. “If we’re supposed to wash for 20 seconds, why doesn’t the faucet stay on for that long?”
It is a mystery, dear lady. Truly a mystery.
I don't think it's an issue that's limited to that one hospital in Memphis. I heard on the news today that Italian hospitals have set up tents for triage outside of the hospitals to keep from infecting people who are in the hospitals for other health issues. What in the world?!? If you can't keep hospital staff from transmitting coronavirus from one patient to other, then you can't keep them from transmitting anything contagious (such as staph) from one patient to another. This is just insane. Public health officials are reminding ordinary people to wash their hands when they can't get doctors and nurses to do the same. (This is not a dig at Italian medical professionals. In decades of personal medical appointments and many times acting as the advocate for older relatives in hospitals in the U.S., I have hardly ever seen a doctor or nurse wash their hands or use the hand sanitizer that has in more recent years been installed in most hospital rooms. Dentists, yes. Physicians, no.)
And I too have known relatives, friends, acquaintances who picked up infections in the hospital. This shouldn't be such a common thing if the staff were following best practices.
Yes, last summer here in Massachusetts Mom's neighbor was in the hospital and his IV leaked, which did something to the tape, his nurse picked the tape off with her fingernails (no gloves), and he ended up with a nasty infection.0
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