Coronavirus prep
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We have our first two cases in Virginia. One was a military officer who came back from overseas and was quarantined immediately. The other was an elderly gentleman who came back from a Nile cruise. Supposedly there were also a handful of Marylanders on the same cruise that tested positive and all were handled appropriately when they arrived back.
I had dinner with my parents who are in their 70s over the weekend, and tried to feel out what their take on the situation was, and was pleasantly surprised to find they weren't panicked but also weren't buying in to the hoax thing. They are going to continue to babysit the grandkids regardless, so I just have to keep my fingers crossed those huggable little petri dishes don't give it to them.
5 total in MD..
Couple went to public events after they got back from the trip.. one in PA school and one in old folks home/retirement community function in same county. Md governor supposed to have another press briefing today. With the info of the recent two that tested positive
There should really be some kind of special protocol developed for nursing/retirement/rehab facilities, as it seems that age group is the most vulnerable!
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As level headed as this thread has managed to remain, I would hope we can all just keep having a friendly conversation and not get bogged down in feeding the you-know-whats. All it will accomplish is making the thread unreadable, and I personally am benefiting from the information I'm getting here.
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I can't attest to the accuracy of coronavirus statistics, but the use of the "ignore" button has improved the quality of my life by 35%.
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More on the St. Louis student (from the Chi Trib):
"Health officials in Illinois and Missouri are trying to track down who came into close contact with a St. Louis woman who tested positive for the coronavirus after flying into O’Hare International Airport, staying with a friend here, then taking an Amtrak train to her home last week.
The woman, in her 20s, flew into O’Hare on Monday and took an Amtrak train to St. Louis on Wednesday, according to Missouri and St. Louis County officials. Officials did not know where she stayed in the Chicago area, or how she got to Union Station to board the Amtrak 303 train....
Meanwhile, Amtrak issued a statement saying the rail service is “working in close contact with public health and emergency management teams to have the best available information to be able to share with our customers and employees who might be affected.”
Amtrak said it was notifying passengers and employees who may have been on the same train. “As a precaution, we have taken the train out of service for comprehensive cleaning and disinfection, and are also working to do a thorough disinfection of the Chicago and St. Louis stations,” the statement said."
Given the number of people who were brought home from programs in Italy, it seems like it would make sense to test them immediately (but we seem to not have enough tests for that). Locally, I know Loyola U brought home students who were studying in Rome, and so did various other local schools and U of I. And as mentioned earlier, one of the known cases in Chicago is a student who was brought home from a Vanderbilt (in Nashville) study abroad program in Italy.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-coronavirus-illinois-universities-20200301-qjd35y5e7zconarnyqrwuw6njq-story.html
Considering how many here in SE Wisconsin commute via Amtrak and/or go through O'Hare I am guessing it is just a matter of time.
Wen to the local Pig yesterday. Only empty shelves I saw were the hand sanitizer and my diet tonic water. Paper products and water were full. I suspect the tonic water has no relationship with the virus since it was only the diet that was empty (I drink a glass near bedtime to help with nocturnal cramps).
I am very sensitive to smells so I only use sanitizer when soap and water are not available. I have a small one I keep in my backpack and another I keep in my glove box and refill them from a larger bottle. I still have most of the 8 oz I bought 2 years ago.1 -
WinoGelato wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »I wrote the part about the government because they're trying to contain the northern outbreak by extending the quarantine. People found out about it late at night and those that live in the rest of Italy, especially college students, quickly packed up and flooded the train stations in the middle of the night and left Milan. They can be contagious and may spread the virus far and wide. Italians are used to doing what they want--the rules are for others, so now to see what happens.
We have our first case in my town (St Louis) because of a study abroad student returning in a hurry from Italy. Apparently she flew through Chicago, took an Amtrak home, and upon return did go to a local hospital for testing and the family was advised to self quarantine, only they didn’t... younger siblings went to school Friday and father took one of the daughters to a dance at a swanky hotel Saturday night. While they were there they got the confirmed presumptive positive diagnosis for the sister and immediately left but people here are outraged that they didn’t heed the recommendation for social quarantine to begin with.
The train stopped in our community between Chicago and St Louis so passengers getting off may have been exposed to her.2 -
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Just to stay on-topic, Ivory Soap is a Proctor and Gambles product. 2 -
Also, this is the third time I've come to MFP to log breakfast...4
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We have our first two cases in Virginia. One was a military officer who came back from overseas and was quarantined immediately. The other was an elderly gentleman who came back from a Nile cruise. Supposedly there were also a handful of Marylanders on the same cruise that tested positive and all were handled appropriately when they arrived back.
I had dinner with my parents who are in their 70s over the weekend, and tried to feel out what their take on the situation was, and was pleasantly surprised to find they weren't panicked but also weren't buying in to the hoax thing. They are going to continue to babysit the grandkids regardless, so I just have to keep my fingers crossed those huggable little petri dishes don't give it to them.
5 total in MD..
Couple went to public events after they got back from the trip.. one in PA school and one in old folks home/retirement community function in same county. Md governor supposed to have another press briefing today. With the info of the recent two that tested positive
There should really be some kind of special protocol developed for nursing/retirement/rehab facilities, as it seems that age group is the most vulnerable!
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As level headed as this thread has managed to remain, I would hope we can all just keep having a friendly conversation and not get bogged down in feeding the you-know-whats. All it will accomplish is making the thread unreadable, and I personally am benefiting from the information I'm getting here.
The nursing home attached to the hospital where I'm interning at has introduced a 'closed doors' policy. Visits are very limited to only the closest family members, and they have to leave proof of ID at the main desk. Kitchen is closed to all non-kitchen staff members (we used to be able to just walk in and drop off the documents we needed to). Children are only allowed if announced ahead of time and are not allowed up onto the residence floor. Hygiene measures are being strictly monitored. I hope none of them catch it.
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ladyreva78 wrote: »
It's possible those numbers will go up over time, as the use of the button spreads to more threads.8 -
I forgot to mention a stat from my Netflix doc last night that I was unaware of.
More people died from the Spanish Flu in 1918 than died in both WWI and WWII. And during a much less "global" time. If you don't like the stat take it up with the producers....just the messenger. Off to wash my hands.....with my ivory soap.🧼6 -
https://marinij.com/2020/03/08/more-than-just-the-flu/
Evolution of microbes is not something we can not predict and prepare for very well.0 -
I can't attest to the accuracy of coronavirus statistics, but the use of the "ignore" button has improved the quality of my life by 35%.
I prefer to have a clear picture of what they're up to, partly in the pursuit of not letting their pulpit grow unchecked . . . but I do tend to be fairly calm in the face of the surreal, so that comes at a low personal cost. Also, I find it vaguely entertaining.
Unfortunately, unless you've ignored me (how would I know? ), that probably means you'll see me quote them sometimes. Apologies in advance. 12 -
I forgot to mention a stat from my Netflix doc last night that I was unaware of.
More people died from the Spanish Flu in 1918 than died in both WWI and WWII. And during a much less "global" time. If you don't like the stat take it up with the producers....just the messenger. Off to wash my hands.....with my ivory soap.🧼
I've seen that stat on multiple historical info sites, and before this new virus became a thing. Wow.
And my understanding is that while it was bad in the beginning of 1918, when it re-emerged in the fall it was worse. Obviously it had it's own specific traits and was a different virus than the current one so I'm not drawing any parallels. Supposedly it was unexpectedly deadly among young healthy adults, which the current coronavirus doesn't seem to be. And I'd like to think the lack of sanitary conditions and difficulty in getting information to the masses played a role in that pandemic that is a bit alleviated now, at least in many places. But it's a reminder that "it's just a flu" and "it's just 2%" are disrespectful of what that means in number of lives taken and number of people affected. There's no harm in being vigilant just in case, as long as it's not taken to an extreme
ETA: Perhaps after watching a few dystopian apocalypse movies, I should get a book on the 1918 spanish flu.
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I think it's interesting (and good, obviously) that there are not a lot of children getting sick.
A doctor friend of mine told me she thinks this virus is similar to the "kid" cold viruses that go through schools all the time, so most children have some immunity to viruses in this category. They can definitely carry it, though, and pass it along to others.4 -
I have a dry cough right now due to sinus drip from allergies. I've been loading up on cough drops before going out in public trying not to add to people's anxiety over getting infected in public places. I religiously cough into my elbow but it could easily be triggering for others. I should add we're in farm country and they're plowing the fields so a lot of people are coughing.
I am disgusted with the opportunists, many of them religious leaders, who are targeting vulnerable people with fake cures and preventative crap. I think that those cynical sobs hawking this stuff should be subject to a jail sentence and not just a cease and desist order.
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I forgot to mention a stat from my Netflix doc last night that I was unaware of.
More people died from the Spanish Flu in 1918 than died in both WWI and WWII. And during a much less "global" time. If you don't like the stat take it up with the producers....just the messenger. Off to wash my hands.....with my ivory soap.🧼
There've been some interesting history pieces recently about the 1918 flu pandemic. I forget where I saw it, and didn't cross-check the facts in detail**, but one compared two US cities' reactions (I think St. Louis and one of the major cities in PA), and the contagion results in the city. One "over-reacted" (to use a loaded term intentionally) and went into city-wide social distancing and shutdowns within 2 days of the first cases; the other waited more like 2 weeks. Substantially greater infection/death rates in the latter.
** A quick check showed multiple sources - not all Big 6 MSM - saying that results between cities in 1918 differered materially, based on policies they adopted, but I didn't try to find these specific 2 cities.
Repeating, for those not reading as closely: This was about the 1918 flu epidemic, not COVID-19.8 -
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GaleHawkins wrote: »Since the ones that are dying seem to have had preexisting health issues it seems while a good stock of toilet paper and canned tuna are nice that working to improve general health is the best goal 24/7/365. The first case in KY and TN have been announced. Locally it is expected to arrive mid April so at least we will have winter behind us.
Maybe being old is a factor at our house but who does not have 24+ of toilet paper on hands at all times?
I don't think whether it's winter or not matters...it's hitting in the southern hemisphere where it is currently summer.2 -
There are quite a few Social Distancing suggestions and actions right now in Seattle and the surrounding area. Older people are being told to stay home. All the senior centers are closed.
Obviously the Big Money makers are taking the biggest action. Microsoft, Amazon, Boeing and (at least) the Northshore School District have taken measures to have their employees and students work from home. Schools, including the Universities are closed for the rest of the month. ComicCon is cancelled, and I'm sure other large gatherings. The professional sports teams haven't made any official decisions but some out-of-area school sports teams have chosen not to come to Seattle - and I can't blame them. I guess it's good that this is a very tech-y community in that a lot of the work can be done in isolation/at home.
I'm torn, it's hard to stay distant. I'm hoping this containment action will help, but no way to know right now.
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