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rheddmobile wrote: »
The current projection from epidemiologists - actual experts on contagious disease - is that unless something dramatically changes, such as a mutation or new treatment, about 70% of Americans are likely to get Coronavirus in the first year, and it’s looking like a 3.4% death rate - some places less, some more, but none less than 1%. 20 percent require hospitalization.I'm not downplaying the coronavirus at all. It's serious and deadly for some people. The thing that gets me, though, is comparing the reaction of people to Covid-19 -- stripping the shelves in stores and closing gatherings and schools -- comparing this reaction to the way people react to the flu.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-big-numberthe-flu-has-hit-at-least-22-million-people-in-the-us-so-far/2020/02/14/3a83c0cc-4e7f-11ea-b721-9f4cdc90bc1c_story.html
I live in the United States. According to this article, written in mid-February, the flu infected between 22 million to 31 million in the USA this past flu season, and killed at least 12,000 as of Feb. 7. I don't have figures to mid-March. We're advised to get a flu shot. Elderly people are advised to avoid big gatherings where they could get sick. Basically, though, I hear almost nothing about the flu. Why the extreme panic now when we don't panic over flu?
If you run those numbers past the population of the United States, which is 300 million, that’s roughly 200 million illnesses, with 40 million hospitalizations and 7 MILLION deaths. Not some number in the thousands, a number in the millions,
This is what's starting to tick me off. People who say it's just like the flu can't back that up with a legit source they got it from, they just heard it on TV or read it somewhere. But every epidemiologist, contagious disease researcher, or ER specialist I've seen or read has been desperately clear that no this is NOT just like the seasonal flu. It is similar but is presenting and spreading differently enough that extreme care is necessary. Until this thing has run it's course for awhile, we can't be sure about any number of variables, and no one should take for granted that they have nothing to worry about. Feel free not to panic, but don't be flippant or careless either.20 -
My company has shut down for 2 weeks... to save money (we're a live sound company, almost all of our tours/shows/festivals have been canceled.. so there's no work to do) and to let all our equipment that travels the world to sit in our warehouse, letting time disinfect it. We weren't told to stay home and be quarantined the 2 weeks, but are encouraged to stay away from big crowds, keep ourselves healthy. Scary time, hope life returns to normal soon!12
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TX governor just declared a state of emergency. Our public schools have meetings this afternoon with city officials and each other and will release an open/close decision today. One of our firefighters is self-quarantined as of today will flu-like symptoms and will be tested for covid-19.
According to our governor, with the help of our mayor, San Antonio will be the first city in the state to have a drive-thru testing station, possibly as soon as today, but more likely early next week.7 -
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rheddmobile wrote: »
The current projection from epidemiologists - actual experts on contagious disease - is that unless something dramatically changes, such as a mutation or new treatment, about 70% of Americans are likely to get Coronavirus in the first year, and it’s looking like a 3.4% death rate - some places less, some more, but none less than 1%. 20 percent require hospitalization.I'm not downplaying the coronavirus at all. It's serious and deadly for some people. The thing that gets me, though, is comparing the reaction of people to Covid-19 -- stripping the shelves in stores and closing gatherings and schools -- comparing this reaction to the way people react to the flu.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-big-numberthe-flu-has-hit-at-least-22-million-people-in-the-us-so-far/2020/02/14/3a83c0cc-4e7f-11ea-b721-9f4cdc90bc1c_story.html
I live in the United States. According to this article, written in mid-February, the flu infected between 22 million to 31 million in the USA this past flu season, and killed at least 12,000 as of Feb. 7. I don't have figures to mid-March. We're advised to get a flu shot. Elderly people are advised to avoid big gatherings where they could get sick. Basically, though, I hear almost nothing about the flu. Why the extreme panic now when we don't panic over flu?
If you run those numbers past the population of the United States, which is 300 million, that’s roughly 200 million illnesses, with 40 million hospitalizations and 7 MILLION deaths. Not some number in the thousands, a number in the millions,
This is what's starting to tick me off. People who say it's just like the flu can't back that up with a legit source they got it from, they just heard it on TV or read it somewhere. But every epidemiologist, contagious disease researcher, or ER specialist I've seen or read has been desperately clear that no this is NOT just like the seasonal flu. It is similar but is presenting and spreading differently enough that extreme care is necessary. Until this thing has run it's course for awhile, we can't be sure about any number of variables, and no one should take for granted that they have nothing to worry about. Feel free not to panic, but don't be flippant or careless either.
Agreed. The complete irony is that there's been a war on science and global knowledge recently. Those two things will have to save us all in this case.11 -
Hopefully, we will see more of this kind of thing:
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Culture/nba-star-kevin-love-donates-100000-support-arena/story?id=69577353&cid=clicksource_4380645_13_hero_headlines_bsq_hed2 -
Mayo Clinic in Rochester opened a drive through testing site and they have developed a test to ease the burden on the CDC testing.3
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missysippy930 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »Today in Italy we had a delivery from China. They arrived with 9 of their COV19 experts and bales of masks and respirators. The EU isn't doing much for us--especially the European Bank.
While I was in line waiting to enter the grocery store (45 min, I got there before they opened, but there was already a line half a block long). I was interviewed by French TV. I told them they shouldn't be voting on Sunday. They responded that precautions were being taken and the Americans are worse in this crisis. They'll learn.
Italian TV just showed buildings with courtyards and the inhabitants all standing in their windows and singing together. There's a lot of solidarity. We have many programs for different age levels on now to entertain while homebound. Museums are giving virtual visits of their wonders. tourvirtuale.museicapitolini.org. tourvirtuale.mercatiditraiano.it. tourvirtuale.arapacis.it. www.romartguide.it
American politicians are worse in this, not our citizens.
Many thanks to original OP (for beginning the topic) folks like you (for reporting from the front line), and informed MFP members, for getting information out. Greatly appreciated by many world citizens ❤️
We are being lied to folks, intentionally, or by omission, it really doesn’t matter. End results is the same.
PS @snowflake954 is someone checking up on your elderly mother?
Yup, thanks, all my siblings are in Minnesota--6 of them and 2 of my brothers are divorced and live on the farm with my Mother. We're sturdy farm folks. Our farm is roughly between Belle Plaine and New Prague. My Mom was a nurse at the New Prague Hospital until her retirement. She's almost 91, but still drives and goes to the fitness center. She loves Zumba.17 -
Thanks "@snowflake954 for keeping us up to date on what is happening in Italy. Hope you stay safe also.5
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The governor of WV has closed our public schools indefinitely this morning, in effect at end of school today. No confirmed cases yet.
Yet I was just talking to a woman a minute ago who was mad as all get out because this was her daughter's senior year and they had just bought her prom dress and they'd better not have to go into the summer and this was in her words stupid and extreme. I'm just shaking my head at that attitude, thinking which is better-your daughter finishing her senior year on your terms and going to prom in spite of all this and risking catching this and spreading it throughout your family and community?
*shakes head* I'm a vendor at a craft show today and am listening to the conversations about this virus and find it sad the number of people who are not taking it seriously. I've heard several times today including from my mother that the media is just whipping up a panic and that this is no worse than the flu and is being made into more than it is and that all these quarantine measures are panic measures and this will blow over.
*sigh* wish they'd listen to people living in areas where it's hit hard, but even that doesn't work because so many people will blow it off until it hits close to home, which sadly has been proven several times over how much worse it gets when you do that and don't take preventive measures seriously.
Course you have a few folks here already panicking (like my sister), believing everything they see on Facebook.
Right now, sadly, there aren't a lot of folks being sensible about this. People are not taking the potential death toll seriously at all. And with most people in this state being elderly, when it gets here it's going to hit hard.6 -
@snowflake954
Good to hear! I love Zumba too! She sounds like a spry one. That’s only about 40 miles from us.
I just texted a neighbor whose husband died a year ago to see if she needed anything from town, as I’m shopping tomorrow. She’s only about 5 years older than me, but as long as I’m going anyway.9 -
My apartment complex's closing our community areas, I assume that that'd also include the playgrounds but I am uncertain since unlike their community room, there aren't gates or doors to close. Via my apartment, I don't see caution tape barricading 1 of the playground's entrances yet. Also only emergency & essential maintenance, might occur. There's no end date but the notice's date's via yesterday.1
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Our healthcare system just tightened visitor restrictions. I believe we now have 16 confirmed cases in NC, which I want to say has basically doubled, overnight. Nobody under 18 can visit. Only one visitor at a time per patient, peds patients can have up to two guardians with them. Cough, cold or flu symptoms may not enter to visit, work or volunteer. Speaking of volunteers, higher risk individuals are being discouraged from coming in, as are any who are not in direct support of patient care.
In the 19 years I have worked here, I have never seen anything like this at all.
I am relieved that they are doing this, and hope that our schools and churches will follow suit. Many community activities were cancelled earlier today.
It's my husband's birthday tomorrow, and daughter, her bf and our grandson wanted to take us out to eat for the occasion. I believe we are just going to take a raincheck and hang out at home. I'm stopping at the store to get some nice steaks for the occasion, assuming I can find any. Figure we'll cuddle up and binge watch his favorite movies and I'll cook.6 -
I'm so *kitten* pissed right now. I'm sitting in my office listening to two high-level managers having a conversation about covid-19 saying things like, "Well, so-and-so is in Rockport and so-and-so is in Nashville and so-and-so is in Vegas, and I think that's what we should be doing... living our lives." and "My husband says, 'I just hope this thing is real.'" and "It's like Y2K when everyone thought the world was ending." and "We still expect people to show up for work on Monday even if schools are closed - they need to do whatever they do with their kids during summer." and "Everyone is blowing this out of proportion and it's affecting US."
SMDH.... people just don't get it.20 -
juliemouse83 wrote: »Our healthcare system just tightened visitor restrictions. I believe we now have 16 confirmed cases in NC, which I want to say has basically doubled, overnight. Nobody under 18 can visit. Only one visitor at a time per patient, peds patients can have up to two guardians with them. Cough, cold or flu symptoms may not enter to visit, work or volunteer. Speaking of volunteers, higher risk individuals are being discouraged from coming in, as are any who are not in direct support of patient care.
In the 19 years I have worked here, I have never seen anything like this at all.
I am relieved that they are doing this, and hope that our schools and churches will follow suit. Many community activities were cancelled earlier today.
It's my husband's birthday tomorrow, and daughter, her bf and our grandson wanted to take us out to eat for the occasion. I believe we are just going to take a raincheck and hang out at home. I'm stopping at the store to get some nice steaks for the occasion, assuming I can find any. Figure we'll cuddle up and binge watch his favorite movies and I'll cook.
In the Seattle area two patients have now tested positive who have been in a locked psyche ward.
That's not good.
I mean, I know there are thousands of people walking around with this right now, no reason to believe that hospitals are any different, but if they have to start decontaminating hospitals at this late stage? In Seattle? It's going to be a very bad thing.6 -
Vacation in northern Vietnam in April definitely cancelled. Today it was announced that Vietnam will prohibit entry to anyone who has been in the UK or any Schengen country in the last 14 days. The good news is that means the travel insurance will pay out.
We had plans for a dinner party tomorrow night, but the other couple just called that they had to pick up their kid from daycare because she has a temperature of 41C and flu like symptoms. They might need to self isolate for two weeks.8 -
I'm in north Texas.
Had to go get my son's asthma controller medicine from the pharmacy today. A lady behind me in line was talking on her phone saying Costco is a mob scene, many things sold out, no meat etc. Huge lines.
I was going to try to go there in the morning for a few things but now I don't know. This Costco, only one in the area is in a county that's been declared a state of emergency.
Trying to figure out how to keep us reasonably stocked as a family with children. Trying to be calm but responsibly cautious. Things are getting trickier to navigate just for routine groceries etc.9 -
missysippy930 wrote: »Mayo Clinic in Rochester opened a drive through testing site and they have developed a test to ease the burden on the CDC testing.
Not surprising they are taking a lead in this. They are usually at the forefront.6 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »mhassan160 wrote: »Guys! I’m scared to go the gym tomorrow 🤣🤣🤣
Like is that your job or just an optional activity?
It’s optional, really scared to be around many people inside small room.1 -
It will be interesting, if this thread stays alive and kicking throughout this situation, to read it from the beginning to the end when the worst has past. We are already seeing things deteriorating, and in areas that aren't yet showing anyone testing positive.9
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Yep - neighbor kids just showed up at our house. I was already dreading summer because we are the yard to go to and it gets old after a while (we homeschool so usually we do school mostly in winter and summer months so we can play in spring and fall - opposite the school system... one girl rang the doorbell no less than 10 times one day despite me telling her they weren’t able to come out). I think I felt the color drain from my face when I realized that summer might have come early.... nooooooooo!bmeadows380 wrote: »The governor of WV has closed our public schools indefinitely this morning, in effect at end of school today. No confirmed cases yet.
Yet I was just talking to a woman a minute ago who was mad as all get out because this was her daughter's senior year and they had just bought her prom dress and they'd better not have to go into the summer and this was in her words stupid and extreme. I'm just shaking my head at that attitude, thinking which is better-your daughter finishing her senior year on your terms and going to prom in spite of all this and risking catching this and spreading it throughout your family and community?
*shakes head* I'm a vendor at a craft show today and am listening to the conversations about this virus and find it sad the number of people who are not taking it seriously. I've heard several times today including from my mother that the media is just whipping up a panic and that this is no worse than the flu and is being made into more than it is and that all these quarantine measures are panic measures and this will blow over.
*sigh* wish they'd listen to people living in areas where it's hit hard, but even that doesn't work because so many people will blow it off until it hits close to home, which sadly has been proven several times over how much worse it gets when you do that and don't take preventive measures seriously.
Course you have a few folks here already panicking (like my sister), believing everything they see on Facebook.
Right now, sadly, there aren't a lot of folks being sensible about this. People are not taking the potential death toll seriously at all. And with most people in this state being elderly, when it gets here it's going to hit hard.
And I agree about the overheard conversations - I am both saddened and terrified by people’s attitudes nationwide.
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Our public schools are having different responses. Some have canceled classes for the next week and some haven't. I'd love to hear the rationale behind the decisions. How did these school districts meet with city health officials and have conversations with each other and come to different conclusions? Edit: Apparently the other school districts have come on board with cancelling class for the next week or two after seeing the response of some others.
On the other hand, Six Flags is closed through the end of the month, jury duty for the county is suspended for 30 days, and all local universities have extended SB a week and then are going to online only through mid-April.
I'd rather San Antonio doesn't become another Seattle or NY. If we can take preventative measures NOW, we can slow the spread, ideally limit the spread, and more drastic measures won't be required. People just aren't taking it seriously, because "it's only one case" at this point.7 -
Public school systems are closing for at least two weeks around here, the governor called it.
So for some dark humor, I've checked some books out of Overdrive to read while potentially self-quarantining:
The 900 Days: The Siege of Leningrad
The Stranger Beside Me (about Ted Bundy)
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I was going to go to Costco for potting soil, traffic was backed up for two lights in both directions and the parking lot was FULL - not a single visible parking spot, even at the road... I nope’d out of there pretty quick!
ETA: this was at 10:30 AM!7 -
Just had to share this. We are watching the championship of our state basketball tournament (televised- game is being played with limitations on spectators). During the player introductions, one player licked his fingers, wiped them on the bottom of his shoe, shook hands with the opposing player with the same hand, who then went and fist-bumped his teammates.
Sort of comical, but not, you know? 4 -
You know what I find interesting.... the amount of disagree reacts in this thread.Just had to share this. We are watching the championship of our state basketball tournament (televised- game is being played with limitations on spectators). During the player introductions, one player licked his fingers, wiped them on the bottom of his shoe, shook hands with the opposing player with the same hand, who then went and fist-bumped his teammates. Sort of comical, but not, you know?
That is just all kinds of gross regardless of what viruses are going around.8 -
We had a couple of ladies who had been in Italy about a week ago. They both have since come to church. I don't think they were in northern Italy but I'm still concerned, especially as we have so many older people in our church. I think we're ok but the potential is still there. Someone earlier mentioned that we as Americans needed to start thinking less individualistic and more communal; I think this is a good example of that need.
A gentleman in our church has also left to visit his daughter in Virginia who also just got back from a trip to Italy right before it closed. We'll have to see if he refrains from coming to church.5 -
Several people have covered what MD's response is, so I won't beat a dead horse. My workplace is planning on implementing social distancing measures. That includes having non-essential onsite personnel work from home and having essential onsite personnel (like me and everyone else who does lab work) split into two groups, where one group works 3 days (e.g Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday) and the other group works another 3 days (e.g Thursday, Friday, Saturday). The groups are not allowed contact with one another, except through phone/email.7
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You know what I find interesting.... the amount of disagree reacts in this thread.Just had to share this. We are watching the championship of our state basketball tournament (televised- game is being played with limitations on spectators). During the player introductions, one player licked his fingers, wiped them on the bottom of his shoe, shook hands with the opposing player with the same hand, who then went and fist-bumped his teammates. Sort of comical, but not, you know?
That is just all kinds of gross regardless of what viruses are going around.
Yes! But you seem them do it all the time. And you often see professional players wiping their hands on the bottom of their shoes and then taking out their mouth guard.
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