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MikePfirrman wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »Our head immunologists are saying that a drug used in treating reumatoide arthritis is helpful in treating COV19. It can get people off the respirator and into regular care. The drug is manufactured by Rouche here in Italy, they will give it for free (if I'm understanding this right), sorry, but this is fresh news. China is working closely with us and this is what they started using. I will keep you posted if there is any other news on this front.
Great information. The drug (Actemra) you're alluding to is an Interleukin 6 inhibitor. There are natural ones as well -- most of them are Polyphenols. I'm LOADED up on Polyphenols. But this article, while this guy is controversial, gives a nice list of more natural IL-6 inhibitors.
It wouldn't hurt to have some Polyphenols on hand. Amla is a very powerful one. The article lists many more. Personally, I also think AHCC (a special mushroom supplement) and Monolaurin (both coconut derivatives shown to restrict virus growth) would help too.
https://selfhack.com/blog/interleukin-6/
Here's related to the Actemra find. I don't understand enough about the basic science to know why this would help. From what little I know about IL-6 inhibitors, they lower part of your immunity, which, at first glance, seems counterintuitive. But I'm not a scientist. I'm guessing that, at a point, the progression in the lungs acts like an Autoimmune disease, with your body's own defenses making things worse.
http://www.pmlive.com/pharma_news/china_backs_use_of_roches_actemra_for_coronavirus_1328014
From section 3.4 of this article
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2095177920302045
The immune reaction is too strong and causes damage
"The cytokine storm will trigger a violent attack by the immune system to the body, cause acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) and multiple organ failure, and finally lead to death in severe cases of SARS-CoV-2 infection, just like what occurs in SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV infection"
Definition of cytokine storm
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/02/140227142250.htm2 -
I'm not downplaying the coronavirus at all. It's serious and deadly for some people. The thing that gets me, though, is comparing the reaction of people to Covid-19 -- stripping the shelves in stores and closing gatherings and schools -- comparing this reaction to the way people react to the flu.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-big-numberthe-flu-has-hit-at-least-22-million-people-in-the-us-so-far/2020/02/14/3a83c0cc-4e7f-11ea-b721-9f4cdc90bc1c_story.html
I live in the United States. According to this article, written in mid-February, the flu infected between 22 million to 31 million in the USA this past flu season, and killed at least 12,000 as of Feb. 7. I don't have figures to mid-March. We're advised to get a flu shot. Elderly people are advised to avoid big gatherings where they could get sick. Basically, though, I hear almost nothing about the flu. Why the extreme panic now when we don't panic over flu?
I think it’s because we have a vaccine for the flu - not covid-19. Maybe?1 -
Safari_Gal_ wrote: »I'm not downplaying the coronavirus at all. It's serious and deadly for some people. The thing that gets me, though, is comparing the reaction of people to Covid-19 -- stripping the shelves in stores and closing gatherings and schools -- comparing this reaction to the way people react to the flu.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-big-numberthe-flu-has-hit-at-least-22-million-people-in-the-us-so-far/2020/02/14/3a83c0cc-4e7f-11ea-b721-9f4cdc90bc1c_story.html
I live in the United States. According to this article, written in mid-February, the flu infected between 22 million to 31 million in the USA this past flu season, and killed at least 12,000 as of Feb. 7. I don't have figures to mid-March. We're advised to get a flu shot. Elderly people are advised to avoid big gatherings where they could get sick. Basically, though, I hear almost nothing about the flu. Why the extreme panic now when we don't panic over flu?
I think it’s because we have a vaccine for the flu - not covid-19. Maybe?
Exactly, and people have developed varying levels of immunity to the flu from past flu seasons over the years. COVID-19 is new and people haven't yet developed (or are only starting to develop) immunity.5 -
cmriverside wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »School is still in session today but spring break is next week and I think they're thinking of just having virtual school after that, although it hasn't been announced yet in my district. Stores are being wiped completely clean of all paper products, clorox wipes, bleach etc. It's pretty *kitten*. Let's just share guys... I was legitimately running out of toilet paper at my house lol. I have to work still, I'm in a small office but so many people have been sick over the last couple weeks including me (not corona that I'm aware of?? No one is getting tested for that here!) I don't like sending my kids to daycare but what is there for me to do
Here in Italy, when all schools and universities were closed, the government set up a voucher system to pay for babysitters for people that have no other option. Hopefully your government will do the same.
If we're talking about the US government, I wouldn't be optimistic about that.
With the closure of the schools mandatory in three counties in WA they have also made provisions in the mandate to provide child care for the children of first responders and medical professionals.
I had no idea -- that's great.0 -
I'm not downplaying the coronavirus at all. It's serious and deadly for some people. The thing that gets me, though, is comparing the reaction of people to Covid-19 -- stripping the shelves in stores and closing gatherings and schools -- comparing this reaction to the way people react to the flu.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-big-numberthe-flu-has-hit-at-least-22-million-people-in-the-us-so-far/2020/02/14/3a83c0cc-4e7f-11ea-b721-9f4cdc90bc1c_story.html
I live in the United States. According to this article, written in mid-February, the flu infected between 22 million to 31 million in the USA this past flu season, and killed at least 12,000 as of Feb. 7. I don't have figures to mid-March. We're advised to get a flu shot. Elderly people are advised to avoid big gatherings where they could get sick. Basically, though, I hear almost nothing about the flu. Why the extreme panic now when we don't panic over flu?
We have herd immunity to the flew and vaccinations and the health care system plans for seasonal flu and roughly how many people will require treatment. It is also spread over time...ie flu season whereas Covid-19 is spread much more rapidly given no herd immunity or vaccine so it can quickly overwhelm the heath care system. The best way to slow the spread and make it manageable is to practice social distancing. It's not really about the illness itself or mortality...it's that it can spread so quickly (weeks) and overwhelm the system.5 -
I think that people 1) don't understand the rapid timeline of the virus and 2) don't understand the process of creating testing resources.
Dec 31, 2019 - a few dozen in China have the virus
Jan 11, 2020 - 1st death in China
Jan 23 - Wuhan quarantined
Jan 30 - WHO declares an emergency
Jan 31 - US declares travel restrictions from those who visited China
Feb 2 - first non-Chinese death
Feb 14 - first European death
Feb 23 - Italy shuts down
Feb 29 - first death in US, further US travel restrictions
This is just 73 days into this, it moved at a breakneck pace, and even given our current knowledge, there are millions crying foul about the current measures being taken (schools off, entertainment events canceled, etc.)
To go from having a brand new virus sprung on the world to having tests for billions doesn't happen instantly, they have to be safe, reliable, and then mass-produced.17 -
I'm in Florida. Disney World and Universal Studios have shut down for the remainder of the month. All universities are to switch to online classes until at least April 6th. All events are being cancelled.
My fiancé and all our closest friends work at Publix here. My friend just told us that her store won't receive shipments of toilet paper until maybe June or July...
Reading all the various articles, it's upsetting how far behind the US is in testing for Covid-19. The CDC completed 100 tests in the last 3 days I believe. I believe that the true numbers of positive cases are higher here, but there is no way to know if not tested. If our ability to test is hindered, I'm thankful for the other measures being taken to limit chances of this spreading through large crowds.
While I may only experience mild symptoms if I were to get Covid-19, I could not imagine the pain of losing my grandparents to something like this.
I heard even less numbers being tested by the CDC. Which goes to show you can’t trust the ever changing numbers being reported.
All the state sports title tournaments have been cancelled.
I’d be willing to bet there are way more cases, which state/federal health departments are unwilling to admit, trying to avoid panic, which clearly isn’t working.3 -
Bry_Fitness70 wrote: »I think that people 1) don't understand the rapid timeline of the virus and 2) don't understand the process of creating testing resources.
Dec 31, 2019 - a few dozen in China have the virus
Jan 11, 2020 - 1st death in China
Jan 23 - Wuhan quarantined
Jan 30 - WHO declares an emergency
Jan 31 - US declares travel restrictions from those who visited China
Feb 2 - first non-Chinese death
Feb 14 - first European death
Feb 23 - Italy shuts down
Feb 29 - first death in US, further US travel restrictions
This is just 73 days into this, it moved at a breakneck pace, and even given our current knowledge, there are millions crying foul about the current measures being taken (schools off, entertainment events canceled, etc.)
To go from having a brand new virus sprung on the world to having tests for billions doesn't happen instantly, they have to be safe, reliable, and then mass-produced.
I don't want to get into political discussions, but every country in the World has moved faster than us on testing. Even S Korea. I find it really hard to believe we couldn't come up with tests. WHO offered them, we turned them down. Strongly feel it was because its danger was so extremely underestimated. The CDC knew how dangerous it was, Italian docs and Chinese docs have been screaming from the rooftops on deaf ears. Europeans see Americans as overly arrogant, without great reason. That American arrogance will be unimaginably costly to all of us. We, as a nation (hopefully united better by this), will be very humbled soon.
We are a great country, don't get me wrong, but this will tax everyone and we will have to rely on other countries for help now.18 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »Interestingly... all the Catholic schools and charter schools in NYC are closing next week, while the public schools remain open.
That's how it is in Chicago, but the teachers union is now demanding that CPS shut down too. I bet they do very soon.3 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »Interestingly... all the Catholic schools and charter schools in NYC are closing next week, while the public schools remain open.
That's how it is in Chicago, but CTU is now demanding that CPS shut down too. I bet they do very soon.
I agree! The City council here is demanding public schools closed, but the mayor and chancellor of education are budging. I have a good feeling by Monday the pressure to close will be there.3 -
Safari_Gal_ wrote: »I'm not downplaying the coronavirus at all. It's serious and deadly for some people. The thing that gets me, though, is comparing the reaction of people to Covid-19 -- stripping the shelves in stores and closing gatherings and schools -- comparing this reaction to the way people react to the flu.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-big-numberthe-flu-has-hit-at-least-22-million-people-in-the-us-so-far/2020/02/14/3a83c0cc-4e7f-11ea-b721-9f4cdc90bc1c_story.html
I live in the United States. According to this article, written in mid-February, the flu infected between 22 million to 31 million in the USA this past flu season, and killed at least 12,000 as of Feb. 7. I don't have figures to mid-March. We're advised to get a flu shot. Elderly people are advised to avoid big gatherings where they could get sick. Basically, though, I hear almost nothing about the flu. Why the extreme panic now when we don't panic over flu?
I think it’s because we have a vaccine for the flu - not covid-19. Maybe?
And we have decades of experience showing us that the seasonal flue does not generally lead to supply chain issues that disrupt the availability of consumer products nor to panicked buying by other people that will clear the shelves.10 -
Chef_Barbell wrote: »Interestingly... all the Catholic schools and charter schools in NYC are closing next week, while the public schools remain open.
That's how it is in Chicago, but the teachers union is now demanding that CPS shut down too. I bet they do very soon.
Today's the last in-school day for all the k-12 kids in Michigan until April.2 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Today in Italy we had a delivery from China. They arrived with 9 of their COV19 experts and bales of masks and respirators. The EU isn't doing much for us--especially the European Bank.
While I was in line waiting to enter the grocery store (45 min, I got there before they opened, but there was already a line half a block long). I was interviewed by French TV. I told them they shouldn't be voting on Sunday. They responded that precautions were being taken and the Americans are worse in this crisis. They'll learn.
Italian TV just showed buildings with courtyards and the inhabitants all standing in their windows and singing together. There's a lot of solidarity. We have many programs for different age levels on now to entertain while homebound. Museums are giving virtual visits of their wonders. tourvirtuale.museicapitolini.org. tourvirtuale.mercatiditraiano.it. tourvirtuale.arapacis.it. www.romartguide.it
My daughter showed me that video this morning. It made me cry. It was taken in Siena, with the people singing a local folksong that is (in English) entitled, "Long Live Our Siena." Here's a link:
https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/fhq000/people_of_siena_italy_sing_a_popular_song_from/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x
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DecadeDuchess wrote: »
Where do bidets fall on the civilisation continuum? I'm thinking bidet > toilet paper > newspaper > corncobs (but really, isn't anything beyond poison oak/ivy/sumac greater than a corncob??)@earlnabby Having an issue isolating the quote, but your comment made me think of this:
https://www.wdrb.com/news/national/the-psychology-behind-why-toilet-paper-of-all-things-is/article_277db5d4-6255-11ea-a9a5-cb183ea659db.html
That was interesting. Still didn't answer the question of why toilet paper. This is not a new thing as those of us who live in the frozen north know well.
I just figure it's one of those things that separates us from the animals.
I think somebody else mentioned that early on in the thread... it's the mark of civilized society. 
Bidet > Charmin Ultrasoft Mega > Other consumer TP > commercial TP which is all that's now available in stores near me > newspaper > moss (early medieval) > corncob > left hand
Charmin, means that dryer lint's also an option!
*Frantically starts washing towels*
Use the towels to wipe your butt, then wash them to create clean towels *and* precious lint. 2 (dirty) birds, 1 stone. 7 -
snowflake954 wrote: »Today in Italy we had a delivery from China. They arrived with 9 of their COV19 experts and bales of masks and respirators. The EU isn't doing much for us--especially the European Bank.
While I was in line waiting to enter the grocery store (45 min, I got there before they opened, but there was already a line half a block long). I was interviewed by French TV. I told them they shouldn't be voting on Sunday. They responded that precautions were being taken and the Americans are worse in this crisis. They'll learn.
Italian TV just showed buildings with courtyards and the inhabitants all standing in their windows and singing together. There's a lot of solidarity. We have many programs for different age levels on now to entertain while homebound. Museums are giving virtual visits of their wonders. tourvirtuale.museicapitolini.org. tourvirtuale.mercatiditraiano.it. tourvirtuale.arapacis.it. www.romartguide.it
American politicians are worse in this, not our citizens.
Many thanks to original OP (for beginning the topic) folks like you (for reporting from the front line), and informed MFP members, for getting information out. Greatly appreciated by many world citizens ❤️
We are being lied to folks, intentionally, or by omission, it really doesn’t matter. End results is the same.
PS @snowflake954 is someone checking up on your elderly mother?15 -
The current projection from epidemiologists - actual experts on contagious disease - is that unless something dramatically changes, such as a mutation or new treatment, about 70% of Americans are likely to get Coronavirus in the first year, and it’s looking like a 3.4% death rate - some places less, some more, but none less than 1%. 20 percent require hospitalization.I'm not downplaying the coronavirus at all. It's serious and deadly for some people. The thing that gets me, though, is comparing the reaction of people to Covid-19 -- stripping the shelves in stores and closing gatherings and schools -- comparing this reaction to the way people react to the flu.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-big-numberthe-flu-has-hit-at-least-22-million-people-in-the-us-so-far/2020/02/14/3a83c0cc-4e7f-11ea-b721-9f4cdc90bc1c_story.html
I live in the United States. According to this article, written in mid-February, the flu infected between 22 million to 31 million in the USA this past flu season, and killed at least 12,000 as of Feb. 7. I don't have figures to mid-March. We're advised to get a flu shot. Elderly people are advised to avoid big gatherings where they could get sick. Basically, though, I hear almost nothing about the flu. Why the extreme panic now when we don't panic over flu?
If you run those numbers past the population of the United States, which is 300 million, that’s roughly 200 million illnesses, with 40 million hospitalizations and 7 MILLION deaths. Not some number in the thousands, a number in the millions,
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It's nice to have a thread that we can check into regularly to see what's going on in other parts of the country and world.
It's oddly comforting to know that there are so many of us out there who are dealing with the same things.
@snowflake954 thank you for sharing what is happening in your neck of the woods, too.12 -
missysippy930 wrote: »snowflake954 wrote: »Today in Italy we had a delivery from China. They arrived with 9 of their COV19 experts and bales of masks and respirators. The EU isn't doing much for us--especially the European Bank.
While I was in line waiting to enter the grocery store (45 min, I got there before they opened, but there was already a line half a block long). I was interviewed by French TV. I told them they shouldn't be voting on Sunday. They responded that precautions were being taken and the Americans are worse in this crisis. They'll learn.
Italian TV just showed buildings with courtyards and the inhabitants all standing in their windows and singing together. There's a lot of solidarity. We have many programs for different age levels on now to entertain while homebound. Museums are giving virtual visits of their wonders. tourvirtuale.museicapitolini.org. tourvirtuale.mercatiditraiano.it. tourvirtuale.arapacis.it. www.romartguide.it
American politicians are worse in this, not our citizens.
I would have thought so too, but the comments I've been seeing on local news media sites are overwhelmingly... uninformed. It's a stark contrast to the measured discussion taking place here.
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rheddmobile wrote: »
The current projection from epidemiologists - actual experts on contagious disease - is that unless something dramatically changes, such as a mutation or new treatment, about 70% of Americans are likely to get Coronavirus in the first year, and it’s looking like a 3.4% death rate - some places less, some more, but none less than 1%. 20 percent require hospitalization.I'm not downplaying the coronavirus at all. It's serious and deadly for some people. The thing that gets me, though, is comparing the reaction of people to Covid-19 -- stripping the shelves in stores and closing gatherings and schools -- comparing this reaction to the way people react to the flu.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/the-big-numberthe-flu-has-hit-at-least-22-million-people-in-the-us-so-far/2020/02/14/3a83c0cc-4e7f-11ea-b721-9f4cdc90bc1c_story.html
I live in the United States. According to this article, written in mid-February, the flu infected between 22 million to 31 million in the USA this past flu season, and killed at least 12,000 as of Feb. 7. I don't have figures to mid-March. We're advised to get a flu shot. Elderly people are advised to avoid big gatherings where they could get sick. Basically, though, I hear almost nothing about the flu. Why the extreme panic now when we don't panic over flu?
If you run those numbers past the population of the United States, which is 300 million, that’s roughly 200 million illnesses, with 40 million hospitalizations and 7 MILLION deaths. Not some number in the thousands, a number in the millions,
This is what's starting to tick me off. People who say it's just like the flu can't back that up with a legit source they got it from, they just heard it on TV or read it somewhere. But every epidemiologist, contagious disease researcher, or ER specialist I've seen or read has been desperately clear that no this is NOT just like the seasonal flu. It is similar but is presenting and spreading differently enough that extreme care is necessary. Until this thing has run it's course for awhile, we can't be sure about any number of variables, and no one should take for granted that they have nothing to worry about. Feel free not to panic, but don't be flippant or careless either.20 -
My company has shut down for 2 weeks... to save money (we're a live sound company, almost all of our tours/shows/festivals have been canceled.. so there's no work to do) and to let all our equipment that travels the world to sit in our warehouse, letting time disinfect it. We weren't told to stay home and be quarantined the 2 weeks, but are encouraged to stay away from big crowds, keep ourselves healthy. Scary time, hope life returns to normal soon!12
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