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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Also, fun fact: if I got a relatively mildish case, there's a very good chance I could easily mistake it for an ME/CFS flare, 'flu-like symptoms' are a regular occurrence for me (like right now I'm a bit tired (er than my usual tired), and have a slightly sore throat).
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Same here. I never know when I am actually sick like with a virus. Especially lately since work has been so stressful, I have been putting in extra hours, and my anxiety has been so high. Anxiety + Pandemic is not a good combination. Even though I am normally a very logical person, the chaos of the last few days did get to me and send my anxiety through the roof. I was wiped out today for example. Just exhausted and achy. But that is a pretty normal feeling for me due to CFS.
I am really hoping the grocery panic settles down over the next week or so. I live in an apartment. I have a small freezer and not a ton of extra storage. With my health issues I have food restrictions and need to try and eat healthy. I was able to get some groceries this weekend and have enough that I can put together meals for 2 weeks, but they wouldn't be the best for me. I know that may be an odd thing to worry about right now, but I was just starting to see improvements in my health and some of my medical problems.
I am in Indiana. We are barely testing. As of this morning the updated stats on the Department of Health site said we had tested a whole 89 people. 89. All that says to me is that there many more cases out there that we have no idea about. There is no way to KNOW if you should self quarantine because you can't know if you have been around someone with it. At least, until you are sick. But you can shed the virus before you show symptoms. You can also shed the virus AFTER you are no longer symptomatic.
My work hasn't allowed us to start working from home unless we are directed to self quarantine by a medical professional. Which is stupid. Most of my department (if not all) can easily do our jobs from home. We have laptops. We have a VPN. We can bring equipment from our own set ups. But no. Lets just fill a building with thousands of people, in tight quarters (cubicles). It's not my bosses who are against it either. It's the people above them. Ugh! Sorry for the rant, but I am seriously concerned about getting this.
I can't even go visit my family, even though I don't have symptoms, because there are members who are in the high risk category and I just can't risk it. What if I do have it and am just not sick yet? Then I pass it on to them and they end up dying?
See what I mean about anxiety and this not being a good mix?18 -
He has 17,000 bottle of hand sanitizer and no where to sell them
Hoarding supplies that can help stem the spread of disease and potentially save lives isn't the same as selling the latest "it" toy for an exorbitant price. I think this person and people like him, taking advantage of a global pandemic (he's waiting on an order of 1,000 masks when they are in short supply for medical professionals and others who work with ill and vulnerable people), represent the worst of who we are as people.
"Mr. Colvin said he was simply fixing 'inefficiencies in the marketplace.' Some areas of the country need these products more than others, and he’s helping send the supply toward the demand ... He thought about it more. 'I honestly feel like it’s a public service,' he added. 'I’m being paid for my public service.'" Note: I did cherry pick his worst two quotes.9 -
slimgirljo15 wrote: »I can't help but wonder about the single people with no family or close friends to check on them, in self isolation who get sick.. laying in bed progressively getting worse.. may die there with nobody to know
Sorry, sad thought I know
Thanks--that's me. Though not in isolation and still going to work. Single and NOT so ready to mingle any more.8 -
I had been hearing and reading statements from medical authorities saying they hoped, based on other viruses, that those who recover from covid 19 would have immunity for some period of time, but that so far they didn't have any idea how long that immunity might last. Lay questioners on talk shows seemed to assume that it was a question of whether immunity would last for just a few years (like vaccines that you need boosters for) or for essentially your whole life. but I noticed the experts' responses didn't seem to commit to even "a few years." I guess they were right.
ETA: on the other hand, from the article PAV8888 posted, it appears they've only seen one case of presumed reinfection so far, and it's not clear that this individual ever tested negative. just that they were discharged from the hospital after "showing signs of recovery." I don't know how they decide whether it's a (so-far) rare case of reinfection, or a (rare?) case of an individual who has remained infected for a long time without fully recovering, just going through ups and downs as their body fights the disease.
EATA: Unlike the headline and the paraphrasing by the writer, the actual quotes from medical experts in the story PAV8888 linked seem to be speaking about relapse, not reinfection from another individual.7 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »yikes - the CDC's map is very behind, apparently, because its still showing 4 states without any confirmed cases. The CDC's map hasn't been updated since 3/12. Also, the CDC's website is very behind on total cases, too.
But I went back and found the link that someone had posted to John Hopkins' map which was updated today at 4 pm, and Idaho is now showing 1 confirmed case and Alabama is showing 6 confirmed cases, so we're down to only 2 states with no confirmed cases: Alaska and West Virginia.
The CDC's website is still saying 1,629 cases with 41 dead in the US, while the John Hopkins map has 2,572 cases with 51 dead.
With Maryland's 28, Virginia's 31, Pennsylvania's 47, Ohio's 26, and Kentucky's 14, its gotta be just a matter of time until it finally gets here.
Down to one now: Alaska.0 -
How do we keep people that are quarantined home though? Is that possible? I don't think it is. What would stop an infected person from being out and sharing germs?
We don't. That's the scary part for me--we are counting on human behavior to keep us safe. Example: a co-worker was telling us his niece just got back from Italy (about ten days ago). His sister is a teacher and the system asked her not to come in for 14 days. However, he blithely continued to say his sister and her niece were still going out and eating and shopping. I asked how they thought being ask to isolate from school still meant they could jaunt all over town? He just shrugged.10 -
For pi day, our local grocery had pre-baked pie on sale for $3.14. We bought one. Ever since my spring marathon was cancelled, I've been depressed and my eating has gone awry. We also went out to dinner because I worry that restaurants will be closed down in the next few weeks. I'm not too worried about getting sick, since there haven't been any cases in my county, though that will undoubtedly change. I did run today, so at least some of the extra calories were burned off.
No paper products at the grocery (TP and paper towels), and almost no meat or frozen vegetables. The bread shelves were almost empty, despite a limit of 2 per customer. We bought bagels instead. The rest wasn't too badly depleted, but we were there after dinner and they were busy restocking what they could.
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bmeadows380 wrote: »yikes - the CDC's map is very behind, apparently, because its still showing 4 states without any confirmed cases. The CDC's map hasn't been updated since 3/12. Also, the CDC's website is very behind on total cases, too.
But I went back and found the link that someone had posted to John Hopkins' map which was updated today at 4 pm, and Idaho is now showing 1 confirmed case and Alabama is showing 6 confirmed cases, so we're down to only 2 states with no confirmed cases: Alaska and West Virginia.
The CDC's website is still saying 1,629 cases with 41 dead in the US, while the John Hopkins map has 2,572 cases with 51 dead.
With Maryland's 28, Virginia's 31, Pennsylvania's 47, Ohio's 26, and Kentucky's 14, its gotta be just a matter of time until it finally gets here.
Down to one now: Alaska.
really? If that's true that a case has appeared in WV, then even the John Hopkins map is off, when it said it was updated as of 10:13 this evening.
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apparently still no confirmed cases in WV:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/14/us/weve-got-a-monster-thats-looming-west-virginia-is-the-last-state-without-a-coronavirus-case.html
https://dhhr.wv.gov/News/Pages/COVID-19-Daily-Update-3-14-2020.aspx
I agree with the sentiments of the 1st article, though - its gotta be here and we just haven't found it yet.
The articles says WV is last, but I don't see any confirmed cases in Alaska, either - or are people forgetting Alaska is a state?2 -
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bmeadows380 wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »yikes - the CDC's map is very behind, apparently, because its still showing 4 states without any confirmed cases. The CDC's map hasn't been updated since 3/12. Also, the CDC's website is very behind on total cases, too.
But I went back and found the link that someone had posted to John Hopkins' map which was updated today at 4 pm, and Idaho is now showing 1 confirmed case and Alabama is showing 6 confirmed cases, so we're down to only 2 states with no confirmed cases: Alaska and West Virginia.
The CDC's website is still saying 1,629 cases with 41 dead in the US, while the John Hopkins map has 2,572 cases with 51 dead.
With Maryland's 28, Virginia's 31, Pennsylvania's 47, Ohio's 26, and Kentucky's 14, its gotta be just a matter of time until it finally gets here.
Down to one now: Alaska.
really? If that's true that a case has appeared in WV, then even the John Hopkins map is off, when it said it was updated as of 10:13 this evening.
Ah - wait - I just looked it up; the confirmed case is a different type of coronovirus and not the pandemic one.
Talk about confusing everyone!
I was wrong--WV is the one without any reported cases. Even Alaska has a reported case.2 -
lightenup2016 wrote: »Getting emails from local groceries and fast food joints about what they doing to combat the virus.
One local big grocery store request to buy only a day necessary items and don't stock up so the supply doesn't get sold out quickly. Good luck with that.
Taco bell might do drive thru only .. 😬
We have a nearby Chick-fil-a doing drive-thru only. I’m wondering when restaurants will begin closing. We have 26 confirmed cases in our state, with 11 of those in our county.
Which state are ya? I'm in MD so far the CFA where I go to still serves dine ins.
North Carolina. They only mentioned this one location, but I bet more will follow.1 -
Chinese billionaire Jack Ma is donating a million face masks and 500,000 coronavirus test kits to the US. I'm grateful for the support and hope that our government can work with people like him to tap into international sources for desperately needed medical supplies.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/tech/jack-ma-face-masks-us-donation/index.html
This is really out there and sounds like a bonkers conspiracy theory, but can anyone shoot down my thought that testing is being throttled not just for lack of resources but because the fewer people who get tested, the lower the number of confirmed cases and the better the numbers look politically?
It's dark and rainy here, and I've been sitting by myself all day recovering from trying to find tomato sauce for dinner and finding the apocalypse playing out at Safeway. My thoughts are dark.
I've thought this for a whileChinese billionaire Jack Ma is donating a million face masks and 500,000 coronavirus test kits to the US. I'm grateful for the support and hope that our government can work with people like him to tap into international sources for desperately needed medical supplies.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/tech/jack-ma-face-masks-us-donation/index.html
This is really out there and sounds like a bonkers conspiracy theory, but can anyone shoot down my thought that testing is being throttled not just for lack of resources but because the fewer people who get tested, the lower the number of confirmed cases and the better the numbers look politically?
It's dark and rainy here, and I've been sitting by myself all day recovering from trying to find tomato sauce for dinner and finding the apocalypse playing out at Safeway. My thoughts are dark.
I don't know why anyone would think this. It's not as though the president of the United States didn't say publicly that he would have liked to keep the people on that cruise ship that finally disembarked in Oakland on the ship because he didn't want them to increase the official number of infected people in the U.S. Oh, wait, he did say that.15 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »
And aside from that, in NZ at least, the government have the power to actually quarantine (as in put in a facility) anyone who is not abiding by the conditions of self isolation. So if you're in precautionary self isolation (eg, recently arrived from overseas), you have the choice of being a decent human being and getting a little bit of freedom, or being a jerk and getting none.
State and local public health departments generally have this authority in the U.S. as well (although I think in practice they are likely to put signs and yellow tape on your windows and doors before moving to providing you with room and board at a facility of the government's choice).1 -
Update from Oklahoma
Our governor made a statement, but didn’t really say a lot. OKC mayor said Friday no mandatory shutdowns yet, but it’s early days. Shutdowns may come later. Then Friday night a lady from OKC who recently visited Florida tested positive. Our fourth. Mayors in Tulsa and Norman banned public gatherings of over 250. Our second victim has now been pronounced over it, so we are back to 3 who have it.
Rudy Gobert pledged money to part-time employees at the ball game who lost wages.
Frontier City (six flags park) has postponed opening and zoo is closed.
The Memorial service (OKC bombing) and the Memorial races have been rescheduled for October.
I didn’t venture out today, it was rainy, foggy, dreary looking, so I don’t know how the stores were.
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Chinese billionaire Jack Ma is donating a million face masks and 500,000 coronavirus test kits to the US. I'm grateful for the support and hope that our government can work with people like him to tap into international sources for desperately needed medical supplies.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/tech/jack-ma-face-masks-us-donation/index.html
This is really out there and sounds like a bonkers conspiracy theory, but can anyone shoot down my thought that testing is being throttled not just for lack of resources but because the fewer people who get tested, the lower the number of confirmed cases and the better the numbers look politically?
It's dark and rainy here, and I've been sitting by myself all day recovering from trying to find tomato sauce for dinner and finding the apocalypse playing out at Safeway. My thoughts are dark.
I guess it's just me, but I think that would require a pretty large-scale, multi-participant conspiracy, a thing that humans are historically pretty bad at sustaining for very long.
And it would have to happen, now, in a leak-ridden political environment where plenty of journalists (and journalistic bottom-feeders besides) would be all too happy to find an break a well-documented version of that story . . . maybe even a poorly-documented one.
If that political conspiracy is happening, it can't hold, IMO.
Or, in lieu of a conspiracy, an administration that straight out tells you what they're going to do, then two minutes later denies they ever said what they said, and accuses you of a hoax and fake news. But that would never happen.9 -
Chinese billionaire Jack Ma is donating a million face masks and 500,000 coronavirus test kits to the US. I'm grateful for the support and hope that our government can work with people like him to tap into international sources for desperately needed medical supplies.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/tech/jack-ma-face-masks-us-donation/index.html
This is really out there and sounds like a bonkers conspiracy theory, but can anyone shoot down my thought that testing is being throttled not just for lack of resources but because the fewer people who get tested, the lower the number of confirmed cases and the better the numbers look politically?
It's dark and rainy here, and I've been sitting by myself all day recovering from trying to find tomato sauce for dinner and finding the apocalypse playing out at Safeway. My thoughts are dark.
I guess it's just me, but I think that would require a pretty large-scale, multi-participant conspiracy, a thing that humans are historically pretty bad at sustaining for very long.
And it would have to happen, now, in a leak-ridden political environment where plenty of journalists (and journalistic bottom-feeders besides) would be all too happy to find an break a well-documented version of that story . . . maybe even a poorly-documented one.
If that political conspiracy is happening, it can't hold, IMO.
There's already been reporting on it. And yes, it was reported that they decided not to test as a political hunch that warmer weather would kill it.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-reportedly-rejected-aggressive-coronavirus-121835790.html
Anonymous sources, but I for one, wouldn't doubt this one bit.6 -
slimgirljo15 wrote: »I can't help but wonder about the single people with no family or close friends to check on them, in self isolation who get sick.. laying in bed progressively getting worse.. may die there with nobody to know
Sorry, sad thought I know
Thanks--that's me. Though not in isolation and still going to work. Single and NOT so ready to mingle any more.
Same here, though I suppose I would be working form home if I were self-quarantined. Someone would eventually notice that I'm not online, no longer responding to emails, etc.
But then again, this risk is there with or without Covid-19. As a type 1 diabetic, it is entirely possible that I just don't wake up one day due to a hypoglycemic event while sleeping. In fact, this has happened a few times over the years. Last time, a co-worker and friend noticed I didn't show up to work and knows about that risk. Back in 2009 when I was unemployed, this happened once and I "lost" about 2 weeks (but I didn't die at least). Perhaps my less concerned view on Covid-19 is because I focus on data rather than emotions and panic. Perhaps it is because the risk of dying is something that I am more acutely conscious of than most people Even though the risk of dying from Covid-19 is rather small, I get the sense that a whole lot of people believe otherwise. Since that is new to those people, maybe that is what is drawing panic.
On the other hand, I'm not convinced that I'll care after I die whether I was alone or asleep at the time or with others and/or awake.
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Nony_Mouse wrote: »Also, fun fact: if I got a relatively mildish case, there's a very good chance I could easily mistake it for an ME/CFS flare, 'flu-like symptoms' are a regular occurrence for me (like right now I'm a bit tired (er than my usual tired), and have a slightly sore throat).
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Same here. I never know when I am actually sick like with a virus. Especially lately since work has been so stressful, I have been putting in extra hours, and my anxiety has been so high. Anxiety + Pandemic is not a good combination. Even though I am normally a very logical person, the chaos of the last few days did get to me and send my anxiety through the roof. I was wiped out today for example. Just exhausted and achy. But that is a pretty normal feeling for me due to CFS.
I am really hoping the grocery panic settles down over the next week or so. I live in an apartment. I have a small freezer and not a ton of extra storage. With my health issues I have food restrictions and need to try and eat healthy. I was able to get some groceries this weekend and have enough that I can put together meals for 2 weeks, but they wouldn't be the best for me. I know that may be an odd thing to worry about right now, but I was just starting to see improvements in my health and some of my medical problems.
I am in Indiana. We are barely testing. As of this morning the updated stats on the Department of Health site said we had tested a whole 89 people. 89. All that says to me is that there many more cases out there that we have no idea about. There is no way to KNOW if you should self quarantine because you can't know if you have been around someone with it. At least, until you are sick. But you can shed the virus before you show symptoms. You can also shed the virus AFTER you are no longer symptomatic.
My work hasn't allowed us to start working from home unless we are directed to self quarantine by a medical professional. Which is stupid. Most of my department (if not all) can easily do our jobs from home. We have laptops. We have a VPN. We can bring equipment from our own set ups. But no. Lets just fill a building with thousands of people, in tight quarters (cubicles). It's not my bosses who are against it either. It's the people above them. Ugh! Sorry for the rant, but I am seriously concerned about getting this.
I can't even go visit my family, even though I don't have symptoms, because there are members who are in the high risk category and I just can't risk it. What if I do have it and am just not sick yet? Then I pass it on to them and they end up dying?
See what I mean about anxiety and this not being a good mix?
We are actually sick
(but I know what you mean). I'm not sure if we're at higher risk of more severe viral symptoms or not, but I imagine the potential for a prolonged worsening of ME symptoms, even with a non-severe case, is high. I've only recently gotten back to a level of 'wellness' that, if I don't recover any further, I'm okay with, I bloody well refuse to be set back. So I totally get you on the wanting to be able to continue to eat well thing. I guess squeeze as much frozen vege into that wee freezer as you can?
I'm glad I don't have to deal with the level of crazy panic other countries are seeing![:\](https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
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On the bright side, Kroger just announced it's restricting number of things that people can buy to stop the hoarding and reselling of items like sanitizer and toilet paper.8
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