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  • bmeadows380
    bmeadows380 Posts: 2,981 Member
    But in terms of raw numbers of people actually dying, it doesn't matter whether its 6% of 100,000 or 1% of 600,000 people. It's still 6,000 people dead (numbers for illustrative purposes only).

    Kind of how whether or not you're counting and logging all you calories accurately, the effect on the scale will be the same, because your body is still counting. The number of people who actually die doesn't depend on our getting the math right. The scale's reaction to our actual energy surplus or deficit doesn't depend on our getting the math right.

    true; it is easy to forget the human component in all this
    PAV8888 wrote: »
    PSA regarding the https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html John Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Centre interactive map to which I posted a link the other day.

    The previous link IS directly to the John Hopkins map as is the one above.

    They ARE legit and do not contain malware. The map will display immediately in your browser without any prompts asking you to download, save, or install anything.

    Thank you! I did actually go back and look up the link in this thread when I opened the map up today, so I'm safe. But I'm glad you said this, because if I hadn't been able to do that, I would have started a google search, and who knows where I may have ended up!


    PAV8888 wrote: »

    I can't get in because I refuse to turn off my ad-blocker. What was the headline?
    Also, there’s a new article on CNN indicating that people are indeed likely spreading COVID-19 before they’re symptomatic. A previous study indicating such, had been subsequently contradicted, so its been difficult to know for sure. They’re now saying that people have high viral load 2.5 days prior to showing symptoms. I do wonder, how do they spread it? Random sneezes, couples kissing, germy hands from saliva?

    I think it would the be the same way we spread the flu or cold before we start showing symptoms. Apparently, just the act of talking, since that involves breathing out, can spread it.

    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/spread.htm

    Similar to how Typhoid Mary spread typhoid wherever she went even though she never had the symptoms of the disease.
  • Nony_Mouse
    Nony_Mouse Posts: 5,646 Member
    sdavis484 wrote: »
    How do we keep people that are quarantined home though? Is that possible? I don't think it is. What would stop an infected person from being out and sharing germs?

    A conscience?

    And aside from that, in NZ at least, the government have the power to actually quarantine (as in put in a facility) anyone who is not abiding by the conditions of self isolation. So if you're in precautionary self isolation (eg, recently arrived from overseas), you have the choice of being a decent human being and getting a little bit of freedom, or being a jerk and getting none.
  • T1DCarnivoreRunner
    T1DCarnivoreRunner Posts: 11,502 Member
    sdavis484 wrote: »
    How do we keep people that are quarantined home though? Is that possible? I don't think it is. What would stop an infected person from being out and sharing germs?

    It depends on laws in a particular place. In the U.S., nothing. Take, for example, the JetBlue passenger that had shown symptoms and been tested. Despite currently waiting on test results, he took the flight anyway and got the text message on the plane.
  • lx1x
    lx1x Posts: 38,340 Member
    And you can tell its election season:

    I get a voicemail on my phone today from one of my congressmen, as a robocall to update on the virus. It really irked me because he was constantly throwing in there all HE was doing and to call HIS office for updates.....

    I'm just thinking how low can you go to use something like this as a springboard for your campaign?

    Better than the call I got from Donald trump asking me to donate to the wall.

    858 area number by any chance?
  • mph323
    mph323 Posts: 3,563 Member
    AnnPT77 wrote: »
    mph323 wrote: »
    Chinese billionaire Jack Ma is donating a million face masks and 500,000 coronavirus test kits to the US. I'm grateful for the support and hope that our government can work with people like him to tap into international sources for desperately needed medical supplies.

    https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/tech/jack-ma-face-masks-us-donation/index.html

    This is really out there and sounds like a bonkers conspiracy theory, but can anyone shoot down my thought that testing is being throttled not just for lack of resources but because the fewer people who get tested, the lower the number of confirmed cases and the better the numbers look politically?

    It's dark and rainy here, and I've been sitting by myself all day recovering from trying to find tomato sauce for dinner and finding the apocalypse playing out at Safeway. My thoughts are dark.

    I guess it's just me, but I think that would require a pretty large-scale, multi-participant conspiracy, a thing that humans are historically pretty bad at sustaining for very long.

    And it would have to happen, now, in a leak-ridden political environment where plenty of journalists (and journalistic bottom-feeders besides) would be all too happy to find an break a well-documented version of that story . . . maybe even a poorly-documented one.

    If that political conspiracy is happening, it can't hold, IMO.

    You make a compelling point.
  • lx1x
    lx1x Posts: 38,340 Member
    Getting emails from local groceries and fast food joints about what they doing to combat the virus.

    One local big grocery store request to buy only a day necessary items and don't stock up so the supply doesn't get sold out quickly. Good luck with that.

    Taco bell might do drive thru only .. 😬
  • lx1x
    lx1x Posts: 38,340 Member
    lx1x wrote: »
    Getting emails from local groceries and fast food joints about what they doing to combat the virus.

    One local big grocery store request to buy only a day necessary items and don't stock up so the supply doesn't get sold out quickly. Good luck with that.

    Taco bell might do drive thru only .. 😬

    We have a nearby Chick-fil-a doing drive-thru only. I’m wondering when restaurants will begin closing. We have 26 confirmed cases in our state, with 11 of those in our county.

    Which state are ya? I'm in MD so far the CFA where I go to still serves dine ins.
  • corinasue1143
    corinasue1143 Posts: 7,460 Member
    lx1x wrote: »
    And you can tell its election season:

    I get a voicemail on my phone today from one of my congressmen, as a robocall to update on the virus. It really irked me because he was constantly throwing in there all HE was doing and to call HIS office for updates.....

    I'm just thinking how low can you go to use something like this as a springboard for your campaign?

    Better than the call I got from Donald trump asking me to donate to the wall.

    858 area number by any chance?

    I don’t remember. Where is 858?


  • Psychgrrl
    Psychgrrl Posts: 3,177 Member
    I've been following this thread for a few days now and finally decided to post something. This is from on the ground here in So Cal. We have 2 children in CO and another one in San Francisco with their spouses and children. Normally I spend a lot of time in both places. Hubby and I are almost 72 and 70 respectively and I'm probably the healthiest of the two of us.

    Here I am with both an expected, and what I hoped would be an unannounced, report from here in So CA. Our daughter in SF who is at risk for COVID-19 because of her lung issues (asthma, bronchitis and pneumonia since 2) who is now 40, is running a fever and has a cough. She's been working from home since Tuesday, as has her legally blind lawyer husband. They both work in the public sector working with folks with disabilities and the homeless as advocates.

    Anywhoo, they are both in self isolation although so far my daughter is the only one sick and is hoping to be tested. They have Kaiser insurance and are waiting for an answer. We're sending them some supplies from here as even buying groceries and essentials is tough online for them right now. Lots of empty shelves and missing products online.

    I want to go up there to help but I can't leave my husband who has his own health issues even though we feel safe here in our little environment. We work from home and are able to keep a low profile regarding spreading germs.

    Hoping you all stay safe and healthy and remember that you may be helping someone else even if you have no symptoms!

    Fellow SoCal commiserator here. So sorry for all the stress issues, health issues, and your kids being spread out. I work at a UC and am still reporting to work. We have students who have no where else to go. We are disinfecting like crazy and trying help the students make sure they have what they need for online classes. While disinfecting everything many times a day. And trying to keep folks calm and focused on what they can control.

    Stores are picked clean, reminds me of winter storm warnings back east and in the Midwest when everyone panic bought before we got snowed/iced in.

    Stay safe yourselves!
  • lx1x
    lx1x Posts: 38,340 Member
    edited March 2020
    lx1x wrote: »
    And you can tell its election season:

    I get a voicemail on my phone today from one of my congressmen, as a robocall to update on the virus. It really irked me because he was constantly throwing in there all HE was doing and to call HIS office for updates.....

    I'm just thinking how low can you go to use something like this as a springboard for your campaign?

    Better than the call I got from Donald trump asking me to donate to the wall.

    858 area number by any chance?

    I don’t remember. Where is 858?


    Don't know.. just saw a fake/prank call website about asking for "wall donation".


    Eta

    Was curious and saw the website since I haven't heard or received telemarketing of such thing asking for donation.
  • Psychgrrl
    Psychgrrl Posts: 3,177 Member
    kshama2001 wrote: »
    I think that people 1) don't understand the rapid timeline of the virus and 2) don't understand the process of creating testing resources.

    Dec 31, 2019 - a few dozen in China have the virus
    Jan 11, 2020 - 1st death in China
    Jan 23 - Wuhan quarantined
    Jan 30 - WHO declares an emergency
    Jan 31 - US declares travel restrictions from those who visited China
    Feb 2 - first non-Chinese death
    Feb 14 - first European death
    Feb 23 - Italy shuts down
    Feb 29 - first death in US, further US travel restrictions

    This is just 73 days into this, it moved at a breakneck pace, and even given our current knowledge, there are millions crying foul about the current measures being taken (schools off, entertainment events canceled, etc.)

    To go from having a brand new virus sprung on the world to having tests for billions doesn't happen instantly, they have to be safe, reliable, and then mass-produced.

    I don't want to get into political discussions, but every country in the World has moved faster than us on testing. Even S Korea. I find it really hard to believe we couldn't come up with tests. WHO offered them, we turned them down. Strongly feel it was because its danger was so extremely underestimated. The CDC knew how dangerous it was, Italian docs and Chinese docs have been screaming from the rooftops on deaf ears. Europeans see Americans as overly arrogant, without great reason. That American arrogance will be unimaginably costly to all of us. We, as a nation (hopefully united better by this), will be very humbled soon.

    We are a great country, don't get me wrong, but this will tax everyone and we will have to rely on other countries for help now.

    Yes, we could have bought tests from the WHO to use as a bridge before our own tests were on line and not doing that set us back weeks for testing. Penny wise, pound foolish.

    Stanford, Johns Hopkins, and the UC medical centers have developed their own and are testing current patients, hoping to expend.