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I've thought this for a whileChinese billionaire Jack Ma is donating a million face masks and 500,000 coronavirus test kits to the US. I'm grateful for the support and hope that our government can work with people like him to tap into international sources for desperately needed medical supplies.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/tech/jack-ma-face-masks-us-donation/index.html
This is really out there and sounds like a bonkers conspiracy theory, but can anyone shoot down my thought that testing is being throttled not just for lack of resources but because the fewer people who get tested, the lower the number of confirmed cases and the better the numbers look politically?
It's dark and rainy here, and I've been sitting by myself all day recovering from trying to find tomato sauce for dinner and finding the apocalypse playing out at Safeway. My thoughts are dark.
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Chinese billionaire Jack Ma is donating a million face masks and 500,000 coronavirus test kits to the US. I'm grateful for the support and hope that our government can work with people like him to tap into international sources for desperately needed medical supplies.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/tech/jack-ma-face-masks-us-donation/index.html
This is really out there and sounds like a bonkers conspiracy theory, but can anyone shoot down my thought that testing is being throttled not just for lack of resources but because the fewer people who get tested, the lower the number of confirmed cases and the better the numbers look politically?
It's dark and rainy here, and I've been sitting by myself all day recovering from trying to find tomato sauce for dinner and finding the apocalypse playing out at Safeway. My thoughts are dark.
I mean, the Pres flat out said he wanted to keep those poor people on the cruise ship because he didn't want them included in our numbers, so I don't think it's really out there to suggest it
I'm relying on memes to keep my thoughts on the lighter side. Lots and lots of memes.19 -
Chinese billionaire Jack Ma is donating a million face masks and 500,000 coronavirus test kits to the US. I'm grateful for the support and hope that our government can work with people like him to tap into international sources for desperately needed medical supplies.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/tech/jack-ma-face-masks-us-donation/index.html
This is really out there and sounds like a bonkers conspiracy theory, but can anyone shoot down my thought that testing is being throttled not just for lack of resources but because the fewer people who get tested, the lower the number of confirmed cases and the better the numbers look politically?
It's dark and rainy here, and I've been sitting by myself all day recovering from trying to find tomato sauce for dinner and finding the apocalypse playing out at Safeway. My thoughts are dark.
I mean, the Pres flat out said he wanted to keep those poor people on the cruise ship because he didn't want them included in our numbers, so I don't think it's really out there to suggest it
I'm relying on memes to keep my thoughts on the lighter side. Lots and lots of memes.
Yeah the cruise ship thing is what got me started on that train of thought.5 -
This one amused me today.Chinese billionaire Jack Ma is donating a million face masks and 500,000 coronavirus test kits to the US. I'm grateful for the support and hope that our government can work with people like him to tap into international sources for desperately needed medical supplies.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/tech/jack-ma-face-masks-us-donation/index.html
This is really out there and sounds like a bonkers conspiracy theory, but can anyone shoot down my thought that testing is being throttled not just for lack of resources but because the fewer people who get tested, the lower the number of confirmed cases and the better the numbers look politically?
It's dark and rainy here, and I've been sitting by myself all day recovering from trying to find tomato sauce for dinner and finding the apocalypse playing out at Safeway. My thoughts are dark.
I mean, the Pres flat out said he wanted to keep those poor people on the cruise ship because he didn't want them included in our numbers, so I don't think it's really out there to suggest it
I'm relying on memes to keep my thoughts on the lighter side. Lots and lots of memes.
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lynn_glenmont wrote: »But in terms of raw numbers of people actually dying, it doesn't matter whether its 6% of 100,000 or 1% of 600,000 people. It's still 6,000 people dead (numbers for illustrative purposes only).
Kind of how whether or not you're counting and logging all you calories accurately, the effect on the scale will be the same, because your body is still counting. The number of people who actually die doesn't depend on our getting the math right. The scale's reaction to our actual energy surplus or deficit doesn't depend on our getting the math right.
true; it is easy to forget the human component in all thisPSA regarding the https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html John Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Centre interactive map to which I posted a link the other day.
The previous link IS directly to the John Hopkins map as is the one above.
They ARE legit and do not contain malware. The map will display immediately in your browser without any prompts asking you to download, save, or install anything.
Thank you! I did actually go back and look up the link in this thread when I opened the map up today, so I'm safe. But I'm glad you said this, because if I hadn't been able to do that, I would have started a google search, and who knows where I may have ended up!
I can't get in because I refuse to turn off my ad-blocker. What was the headline?lightenup2016 wrote: »Also, there’s a new article on CNN indicating that people are indeed likely spreading COVID-19 before they’re symptomatic. A previous study indicating such, had been subsequently contradicted, so its been difficult to know for sure. They’re now saying that people have high viral load 2.5 days prior to showing symptoms. I do wonder, how do they spread it? Random sneezes, couples kissing, germy hands from saliva?
I think it would the be the same way we spread the flu or cold before we start showing symptoms. Apparently, just the act of talking, since that involves breathing out, can spread it.
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/spread.htm
Similar to how Typhoid Mary spread typhoid wherever she went even though she never had the symptoms of the disease.1 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »
And aside from that, in NZ at least, the government have the power to actually quarantine (as in put in a facility) anyone who is not abiding by the conditions of self isolation. So if you're in precautionary self isolation (eg, recently arrived from overseas), you have the choice of being a decent human being and getting a little bit of freedom, or being a jerk and getting none.3 -
I was wondering about that.
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Chinese billionaire Jack Ma is donating a million face masks and 500,000 coronavirus test kits to the US. I'm grateful for the support and hope that our government can work with people like him to tap into international sources for desperately needed medical supplies.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/tech/jack-ma-face-masks-us-donation/index.html
This is really out there and sounds like a bonkers conspiracy theory, but can anyone shoot down my thought that testing is being throttled not just for lack of resources but because the fewer people who get tested, the lower the number of confirmed cases and the better the numbers look politically?
It's dark and rainy here, and I've been sitting by myself all day recovering from trying to find tomato sauce for dinner and finding the apocalypse playing out at Safeway. My thoughts are dark.
I guess it's just me, but I think that would require a pretty large-scale, multi-participant conspiracy, a thing that humans are historically pretty bad at sustaining for very long.
And it would have to happen, now, in a leak-ridden political environment where plenty of journalists (and journalistic bottom-feeders besides) would be all too happy to find an break a well-documented version of that story . . . maybe even a poorly-documented one.
If that political conspiracy is happening, it can't hold, IMO.5 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »If we don't have enough tests, we're undertesting, and don't know whether the incidence of XYZ virus in the population is higher or lower than the (number of positive tests) divided by (number of tests) . . . but because we're rationing tests to the most severe cases, we're mostly testing highly symptomatic people and getting a high percentage of positive tests, compared to the number of test performed. And, because we're testing the most severe cases as more testing kits become available, the jump in confirmed cases is extra-dramatic.
so once we get a test that is widely available and can be used on much more people, the death toll percentage will fall and eventually level out to a more accurate number which could well be less than the 4-6% estimated now. Right?
Yes, but the infection rate will be higher (and the threat of spread). The concern is in part that even lower infection rates will be devastating if some huge percentage of the population contracts it, and apparently a much higher percentage than the death rate need medical care (although we don't have a real clue about percentages now, IMO).
The fact that a large percentage of patients need advanced care is a problem. Sure you probably won't die, but if you're one of the up to 20% who need hospitalization, you could be looking at a devastating medical bill if you're in the USA.8 -
How do we keep people that are quarantined home though? Is that possible? I don't think it is. What would stop an infected person from being out and sharing germs?
It depends on laws in a particular place. In the U.S., nothing. Take, for example, the JetBlue passenger that had shown symptoms and been tested. Despite currently waiting on test results, he took the flight anyway and got the text message on the plane.0 -
bmeadows380 wrote: »And you can tell its election season:
I get a voicemail on my phone today from one of my congressmen, as a robocall to update on the virus. It really irked me because he was constantly throwing in there all HE was doing and to call HIS office for updates.....
I'm just thinking how low can you go to use something like this as a springboard for your campaign?
Better than the call I got from Donald trump asking me to donate to the wall.11 -
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corinasue1143 wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »And you can tell its election season:
I get a voicemail on my phone today from one of my congressmen, as a robocall to update on the virus. It really irked me because he was constantly throwing in there all HE was doing and to call HIS office for updates.....
I'm just thinking how low can you go to use something like this as a springboard for your campaign?
Better than the call I got from Donald trump asking me to donate to the wall.
858 area number by any chance?0 -
This evening's observations:
1. The NYT published a story today with charts to demonstrate different levels of response and how they will effect overall outcomes in the US. In every scenario, the peak of outbreak numbers are in July: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/13/opinion/coronavirus-trump-response.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
2. Potatoes are absolutely cleaned out at my local supermarkets, but not fish. No one wants fish.
3. I decided to have a special-edition cheat day today and get back on the wagon tomorrow. Aldi's had plenty of chocolate-covered doughnuts for some reason, and I regret nothing.13 -
Chinese billionaire Jack Ma is donating a million face masks and 500,000 coronavirus test kits to the US. I'm grateful for the support and hope that our government can work with people like him to tap into international sources for desperately needed medical supplies.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/tech/jack-ma-face-masks-us-donation/index.html
This is really out there and sounds like a bonkers conspiracy theory, but can anyone shoot down my thought that testing is being throttled not just for lack of resources but because the fewer people who get tested, the lower the number of confirmed cases and the better the numbers look politically?
It's dark and rainy here, and I've been sitting by myself all day recovering from trying to find tomato sauce for dinner and finding the apocalypse playing out at Safeway. My thoughts are dark.
I guess it's just me, but I think that would require a pretty large-scale, multi-participant conspiracy, a thing that humans are historically pretty bad at sustaining for very long.
And it would have to happen, now, in a leak-ridden political environment where plenty of journalists (and journalistic bottom-feeders besides) would be all too happy to find an break a well-documented version of that story . . . maybe even a poorly-documented one.
If that political conspiracy is happening, it can't hold, IMO.
My honestly only lightly-educated understanding is that infectious disease control in the US all funnels through the CDC. They turned down the test kits the rest of the world is using, they initially required tests to be processed at the CDC and decided which patients were approved for testing, and they only recently authorized commercial labs to process test kits.
I'd guess it's more lack of foresight and/or lack of understanding of the role the CDC plays (leading to the CDC being woefully understaffed and underfunded), but if all decisions had to run through the CDC, I'm not sure it would be that hard for a handful of individuals to make decisions that prioritized the optics over sound judgement.
That is clearly my cynicism talking, which means I need more memes.
We had our first death attributed to covid-19 in VA yesterday, a man in his 70s whose point if infection is not clear, so is assumed to be community spread.
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Chinese billionaire Jack Ma is donating a million face masks and 500,000 coronavirus test kits to the US. I'm grateful for the support and hope that our government can work with people like him to tap into international sources for desperately needed medical supplies.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/14/tech/jack-ma-face-masks-us-donation/index.html
This is really out there and sounds like a bonkers conspiracy theory, but can anyone shoot down my thought that testing is being throttled not just for lack of resources but because the fewer people who get tested, the lower the number of confirmed cases and the better the numbers look politically?
It's dark and rainy here, and I've been sitting by myself all day recovering from trying to find tomato sauce for dinner and finding the apocalypse playing out at Safeway. My thoughts are dark.
I guess it's just me, but I think that would require a pretty large-scale, multi-participant conspiracy, a thing that humans are historically pretty bad at sustaining for very long.
And it would have to happen, now, in a leak-ridden political environment where plenty of journalists (and journalistic bottom-feeders besides) would be all too happy to find an break a well-documented version of that story . . . maybe even a poorly-documented one.
If that political conspiracy is happening, it can't hold, IMO.
You make a compelling point.2 -
Getting emails from local groceries and fast food joints about what they doing to combat the virus.
One local big grocery store request to buy only a day necessary items and don't stock up so the supply doesn't get sold out quickly. Good luck with that.
Taco bell might do drive thru only .. 😬0 -
This evening's observations:
1. The NYT published a story today with charts to demonstrate different levels of response and how they will effect overall outcomes in the US. In every scenario, the peak of outbreak numbers are in July: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/13/opinion/coronavirus-trump-response.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
2. Potatoes are absolutely cleaned out at my local supermarkets, but not fish. No one wants fish.
3. I decided to have a special-edition cheat day today and get back on the wagon tomorrow. Aldi's had plenty of chocolate-covered doughnuts for some reason, and I regret nothing.
On Pi day?
:laugh:8 -
Getting emails from local groceries and fast food joints about what they doing to combat the virus.
One local big grocery store request to buy only a day necessary items and don't stock up so the supply doesn't get sold out quickly. Good luck with that.
Taco bell might do drive thru only .. 😬
We have a nearby Chick-fil-a doing drive-thru only. I’m wondering when restaurants will begin closing. We have 26 confirmed cases in our state, with 11 of those in our county.5 -
lightenup2016 wrote: »Getting emails from local groceries and fast food joints about what they doing to combat the virus.
One local big grocery store request to buy only a day necessary items and don't stock up so the supply doesn't get sold out quickly. Good luck with that.
Taco bell might do drive thru only .. 😬
We have a nearby Chick-fil-a doing drive-thru only. I’m wondering when restaurants will begin closing. We have 26 confirmed cases in our state, with 11 of those in our county.
Which state are ya? I'm in MD so far the CFA where I go to still serves dine ins.0 -
corinasue1143 wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »And you can tell its election season:
I get a voicemail on my phone today from one of my congressmen, as a robocall to update on the virus. It really irked me because he was constantly throwing in there all HE was doing and to call HIS office for updates.....
I'm just thinking how low can you go to use something like this as a springboard for your campaign?
Better than the call I got from Donald trump asking me to donate to the wall.
858 area number by any chance?
I don’t remember. Where is 858?
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fitlulu4150 wrote: »I've been following this thread for a few days now and finally decided to post something. This is from on the ground here in So Cal. We have 2 children in CO and another one in San Francisco with their spouses and children. Normally I spend a lot of time in both places. Hubby and I are almost 72 and 70 respectively and I'm probably the healthiest of the two of us.
Here I am with both an expected, and what I hoped would be an unannounced, report from here in So CA. Our daughter in SF who is at risk for COVID-19 because of her lung issues (asthma, bronchitis and pneumonia since 2) who is now 40, is running a fever and has a cough. She's been working from home since Tuesday, as has her legally blind lawyer husband. They both work in the public sector working with folks with disabilities and the homeless as advocates.
Anywhoo, they are both in self isolation although so far my daughter is the only one sick and is hoping to be tested. They have Kaiser insurance and are waiting for an answer. We're sending them some supplies from here as even buying groceries and essentials is tough online for them right now. Lots of empty shelves and missing products online.
I want to go up there to help but I can't leave my husband who has his own health issues even though we feel safe here in our little environment. We work from home and are able to keep a low profile regarding spreading germs.
Hoping you all stay safe and healthy and remember that you may be helping someone else even if you have no symptoms!
Fellow SoCal commiserator here. So sorry for all the stress issues, health issues, and your kids being spread out. I work at a UC and am still reporting to work. We have students who have no where else to go. We are disinfecting like crazy and trying help the students make sure they have what they need for online classes. While disinfecting everything many times a day. And trying to keep folks calm and focused on what they can control.
Stores are picked clean, reminds me of winter storm warnings back east and in the Midwest when everyone panic bought before we got snowed/iced in.
Stay safe yourselves!2 -
NZ has its 7th case, Australian who had recently been to France, returned to Aus, was tested there because he's been to Europe, already had a trip here to see his son planned, found out the day after he got here. Sounds like he hadn't really gotten around much as of yet. This one is in Wellington, for a change of pace, and much closer to me (I'm an hour north).
Also, fun fact: if I got a relatively mildish case, there's a very good chance I could easily mistake it for an ME/CFS flare, 'flu-like symptoms' are a regular occurrence for me (like right now I'm a bit tired (er than my usual tired), and have a slightly sore throat). Does make me wonder if I should switch to working from home if/when more cases crop up here (my people contact is very limited, even when at work, I share a 'portacom' office with one other person, and our desks are at opposite ends).
ETA: number 8 just announced at daily press conference (7 was first reported in Aus news), plus another possible on a floating petri dish.8 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »This evening's observations:
1. The NYT published a story today with charts to demonstrate different levels of response and how they will effect overall outcomes in the US. In every scenario, the peak of outbreak numbers are in July: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/13/opinion/coronavirus-trump-response.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
2. Potatoes are absolutely cleaned out at my local supermarkets, but not fish. No one wants fish.
3. I decided to have a special-edition cheat day today and get back on the wagon tomorrow. Aldi's had plenty of chocolate-covered doughnuts for some reason, and I regret nothing.
On Pi day?
:laugh:
It's a torus, not a doughnut. That mathematical enough for you?
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corinasue1143 wrote: »corinasue1143 wrote: »bmeadows380 wrote: »And you can tell its election season:
I get a voicemail on my phone today from one of my congressmen, as a robocall to update on the virus. It really irked me because he was constantly throwing in there all HE was doing and to call HIS office for updates.....
I'm just thinking how low can you go to use something like this as a springboard for your campaign?
Better than the call I got from Donald trump asking me to donate to the wall.
858 area number by any chance?
I don’t remember. Where is 858?
Don't know.. just saw a fake/prank call website about asking for "wall donation".
Eta
Was curious and saw the website since I haven't heard or received telemarketing of such thing asking for donation.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »Bry_Fitness70 wrote: »I think that people 1) don't understand the rapid timeline of the virus and 2) don't understand the process of creating testing resources.
Dec 31, 2019 - a few dozen in China have the virus
Jan 11, 2020 - 1st death in China
Jan 23 - Wuhan quarantined
Jan 30 - WHO declares an emergency
Jan 31 - US declares travel restrictions from those who visited China
Feb 2 - first non-Chinese death
Feb 14 - first European death
Feb 23 - Italy shuts down
Feb 29 - first death in US, further US travel restrictions
This is just 73 days into this, it moved at a breakneck pace, and even given our current knowledge, there are millions crying foul about the current measures being taken (schools off, entertainment events canceled, etc.)
To go from having a brand new virus sprung on the world to having tests for billions doesn't happen instantly, they have to be safe, reliable, and then mass-produced.
I don't want to get into political discussions, but every country in the World has moved faster than us on testing. Even S Korea. I find it really hard to believe we couldn't come up with tests. WHO offered them, we turned them down. Strongly feel it was because its danger was so extremely underestimated. The CDC knew how dangerous it was, Italian docs and Chinese docs have been screaming from the rooftops on deaf ears. Europeans see Americans as overly arrogant, without great reason. That American arrogance will be unimaginably costly to all of us. We, as a nation (hopefully united better by this), will be very humbled soon.
We are a great country, don't get me wrong, but this will tax everyone and we will have to rely on other countries for help now.
Yes, we could have bought tests from the WHO to use as a bridge before our own tests were on line and not doing that set us back weeks for testing. Penny wise, pound foolish.
Stanford, Johns Hopkins, and the UC medical centers have developed their own and are testing current patients, hoping to expend.3 -
hmmm. a post I put up an hour ago never appeared here. My luck, it'll show up tomorrow and be repeated 6 times.....
pi day, but I didn't have any pie ;(
I was in McDonald's today and was just wondering if they would go to drive thru only. I would be behind that - they could focus on the kitchen and prep areas and not have to worry about constantly trying to keep the lobby clean, and they would be limiting the number of people the crew would be exposed to. That particular McDonald's actually did that last summer during their remodel, as did the local Arby's, so the precedent and procedures are there for it.5 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »This evening's observations:
1. The NYT published a story today with charts to demonstrate different levels of response and how they will effect overall outcomes in the US. In every scenario, the peak of outbreak numbers are in July: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/03/13/opinion/coronavirus-trump-response.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage
2. Potatoes are absolutely cleaned out at my local supermarkets, but not fish. No one wants fish.
3. I decided to have a special-edition cheat day today and get back on the wagon tomorrow. Aldi's had plenty of chocolate-covered doughnuts for some reason, and I regret nothing.
On Pi day?
:laugh:
It's a torus, not a doughnut. That mathematical enough for you?
Volume calculation for a torus requires Pi, so I suppose it is passable. This time. Plus some exercise calories for all that stretching. 6
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