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kshama2001 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »
My husband was just lamenting not being able to get a haircut, and he's getting pretty shaggy.
I'm incredibly grateful that I have a job that allows me to work from home and places me ina much better position than so many but the reality I'd these times is tough to deal with sometimes. We're so used to having easy access to so much that it's strange to have to adjust basic things like grocery shopping.
My OH wants me to cut his hair. BAD idea, lol.
Lots of memes about this in https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10789131/coronavirus-memes/p1
Maybe suggest he would look great in a man-bun?
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The people who live at the end of my street are having a *kitten* GARAGE SALE today
Wow.
I was feeling pretty down this morning, but today was the day some of us were group calling people in the neighborhood (technically, the ward) to see if anyone needed help the alderman's office might be able to provide (getting supplies, information, financial resources or help signing up for stuff, etc.), as well as just to reach out and check in with people and ask if they were interested in volunteering if they were in a position to do so. It made me feel a lot better, and most people seemed pretty happy to get the call (some not, of course). I hate the phone/calling people, so didn't know what it would be like, but it wasn't bad at all.10 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »
That’s not quite it, though (introvert here). There’s a difference between feeling drained by socializing and faking enjoyment. I enjoy the heck out of many social situations. Then I go home and collapse and need to recharge. Extroverts feel charged by socializing.lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
That’s my question... because, I admit quite selfishly, I don’t want to use my pretty fabric if they are just going to be tossedbmeadows380 wrote: »@AnnPT77 my pastor just put out a call saying his wife is asking church members to help her make masks based upon a few patterns she's found online. Are these masks considered disposable, or can they be washed and re-used, or bleached or something?
I have a resource for quite a bit of older fabric I was told I could have, though!
ETA: thanks for the added info! I was posting and hubby came in from work so there was a few minutes lag, enough time for others to chime in!
My mother and I were just laughing yesterday about people making fabric masks. We're pretty sure every quilter on the planet of Earth is probably chortling about how this is the time they've been waiting for all their lives--a deep societal need for items made from all the fabric remnants they've been stashing for years!
I know the introverts thought this was their time to shine, but it looks like it's the quilters that are going to save the world!
Being a crafter myself, I feel like the Venn diagram of quilters and introverts has a pretty decent-sized overlap.
There are a bunch of introverts who don't quilt . . . but my experience suggests that quite a fraction of quilters are introverts.
My mother quilted at home alone, but for my grandmother, aunt, and sister, it is at least in part a social pursuit. Of course they work on stuff at home alone, but they also work together on projects with other people, sometimes quilting a single quilt together (what used to be called a quilting bee), other times getting together for classes on new techniques for making blocks, or going on trips together to various quilting destinations, gathering for quilt shows, etc.
Respectfully, I don't think socializing (or not) is the measure of introversion.
I'm extremely very introverted, and I socialize - I'm kind of OK at it, actually, happily talking to strangers, being assertive when needful, have plenty friends of various cognitive styles, all that stuff. Yes, most crafters have gatherings available to them, and they're well-attended. I attend some (local and statewide versions), plus regional/national shows and whatnot for my crafts. That's fun.
In my understanding, and oversimplifying, introversion vs. extroversion is more about mental orientation toward one's own thoughts and perceptions, vs. orientation to external interactions. Still overgeneralizing, introverts tend to spend energy while socializing, while extroverts gain energy while socializng. On that same cartoonish kind of continuum, introverts are more likely to feel contented in solo activity, and extroverts more likely to become bored more rapidly. Most people are at no particular extreme of these, but are on some kind of continuum, sometimes in different spots at different times/situations.
I'm not saying that no extrovert quilts/crafts. They do. But, based on the pretty large number of crafters I know - including quilters, which I have in the past been one of myself - the percentage of introverts is higher in the crafts-hobby world than in the overall population. (Yes, this is not a scientific sample.) This is the case even among the crafters I know who are quite social, i.e., pursue lots of group crafting activities.
Bringing this whole tiresome ramble back to the thread: I'm at home alone, watching local friends through Facebook, phone calls, text messages, etc.
Those more introverted are sometimes very anxious about the virus and what will happen, but otherwise kind of "it's a pain that I don't get to see my friends for crafting except on Skype/Zoom, but at least I have plenty of supplies, so meh". The extroverts are much more clearly under stress from isolation, even those who don't live alone. They're posting things like (real quote) "I miss hugs from everyone. Sorry just feeling so isolated." And that's someone who's more self aware: Some of my friends are obviously working out distress through things like unfocused anger, over-drinking, etc.
I don't understand in my gut how it feels to be an extrovert, but I sympathize with (and am concerned for) my more extroverted friends, in a different way than I'm concerned for my more introverted friends.
Point taken on introvert/extrovert being an internal state. I made my judgment based on what I saw in people seeking out social situations and appearing to genuinely enjoy them, and assuming that was a reflection of genuine desire for social interaction, which to me seems like an odd desire to have on a fairly regular basis (typically the quilters I know have gone to at least one weekly quilt-related social event, on top of other social things in their life) if it's a draining experience. But I don't think most of us know that many people well enough to really know what's going on inside their heads. I don't doubt some of them are faking enjoyment in social situations. I fake it sometimes myself. But I don't usually seek out on a repeating basis situations in which I have to fake enjoyment and disguise the fact that it's a draining experience.
I think this example comes from a Myer/Briggs book I read a while ago. Imagine an introvert and an extrovert trying to get some studying done at a library. The introvert gets tired by having to interact with other people at the library and wants to go sit alone with a book to recharge. The extrovert gets exhausted from sitting alone with the book and looks for excuses to take a study break so she can go talk to someone to recharge.
OK. I've been drained in social situations. I don't find that enjoyable. I guess everyone's different, though, so again, my point on making assumptions about what's going on inside other people's heads.
What happens for me (and why I think I am slightly more introvert than extrovert, although not strongly so) is that after interacting a lot with people I often feel tired/overwhelmed and like I need to recharge, but during the actual interacting it's usually pleasurable.4 -
rheddmobile wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
Dummy me left both my homemade mask and hat at home yesterday when I finally ventured out to the grocery store for the first time in two weeks - if it weren’t 20 minutes from home, and needing to get in and out ASAP because kids were home alone, I would have gone back for them. (The hat because my germaphobe mind imagines cooties crawling around in my hair much like lice I guess). I sat in the car and seriously pondered what to do... ended up just taking a deep breath and headed in, strategically holding my breath when I passed people. Probably a feeble attempt at protecting myself but better than nothing (thankfully it wasn’t a madhouse).snowflake954 wrote: »@snowflake954 Lol! The mask is going to be the fashion accessory to have in 2020 and beyond.
Can't you just see the fashion models walking the catwalk next year in masks? We'll all be wearing them.
That is precisely what I pictured....."I'm too sexy for this mask.....too sexy for this mask....so sexy it hurts"
- Right Said Fred
I'm in the middle of my second book about the 1918 flu epidemic, and both talk about people starting to wear masks anytime they went out, and the first had photos of some US city (I forget which) in which everyone is wearing masks.
My sister took her dh shopping the other day, they both wore masks(you're not seeing it much here....yet). Somebody yelled across the aisle at her, telling her she's not supposed to be using them, they're for other people.
She's 75 and her dh is 80, has Alzheimer's. Seriously??? And I've offered to stay with him or get food for them countless times. But until Friday, when her dd sent her a couple more masks for extra caregivers to wear, she wouldn't allow me in their home.
If you read the CDC website, they do not recommend wearing masks...they are of little to no value to the general public in coronavirus protection. This is not an airborne virus and masks only really serve as a false sense of security. They are necessary for medical workers as they can obviously not socially distance themselves from their patients and there is more aerosol transfer in a hospital setting.
Yeah, the thing is, the CDC is lying about this. There have been several articles in various major news sources about how their messaging changes as the availability of masks changes. In particular the message “a normal person (as you just quoted ‘member of the general public’) couldn’t possibly use a mask properly, only trained medical professionals get any benefit from them.” Yeah, that’s baloney. It’s not that hard, and if they wanted us to know, they would be sharing mask-training videos instead of telling us not to buy masks. It doesn’t help the public confidence when any child can see through what’s being said by the experts.
Masks don’t stop aerosols, and viruses go right through them, but they do stop droplets. There’s no hard data about protection levels, but in Asian countries which commonly use masks, studies have found they make it about 80% less likely to get the seasonal flu. All of the countries which have successfully suppressed Covid-19 have also put their whole populations into masks in public. Masks aren’t perfect but they do help. The question is, who gets them?
Right now there are hospitals which are requiring doctors to wear masks and not allowing nurses to wear them because “they aren’t necessary.” Who spends more time with patients? Clearly the nurse. In terms of exposure the nurse is more exposed. But doctors are presumably regarded as more essential.
The homemade masks are said to filter approximately 50% of droplets from the air. https://smartairfilters.com/en/blog/best-materials-make-diy-face-mask-virus/?fbclid=IwAR3jpN55rjfBv1QRbzKd4inbDUVM-z-DBhpEPL0ojAb08MTDHAhLVxdLjRU I have been wearing one to work, myself, and offering to make more for my co-workers, who are all a pack of rabid wolverines. The co-workers who ASKED me to make them masks have not been wearing them, people sit immediately next to one another at break, a manager and co-worker were sharing a vape on Friday!!!
So I wear my mask, and I'm making more for anyone who asks. I am not taking them out of circulation where medical professionals need them. Illinois is not accepting homemade masks, at this time. Different organizations have different specifications for the masks they will accept. Some must have pockets for filter media, others require a metal nose wire. Some specify no elastic, fabric ties only. Please be sure of the specifications before you make a ton of masks to donate.
The ones I'm making meet the requirements for a hospital in Nashville, TN. But they're not accepting mailed donations. If anyone reading this would be willing to accept a package and deliver in person, please shoot me a PM.14 -
Italy News. Today a 102 year old woman was interviewed in Genova. She had had COV19 and was being dismissed from the hospital. The doctors said that she had a mild case, and that she was nicknamed "Highlander" by the hospital staff because they considered her immortal. 29
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Last night around 8 pm there was a big thunderstorm, and towards the end of it our power went out. Uninterrupted power supply beeping, lights flashed on and off for about thirty seconds before finally giving up the ghost. If you had been at my house you would have heard my husband and me screaming and shouting and calling on the name of Jesus. We JUST finally found meat at the grocery and spent a whole bunch of money so as not to have to go shopping for a while! We sat in darkness for about thirty seconds, then like a miracle, the lights came back on. Heartfelt prayers of thanksgiving.
According to the outage map, most of our neighbors - about 4000 of them - weren’t so lucky. Of those about 400 still don’t have power at 2 pm the next day. Bye bye anything perishable that’s not in a freezer, and that’s starting to be long enough to shorten the life of freezer food. I wonder how many lost a whole load of groceries which they couldn’t afford to buy all at once and will have to risk their lives running all over town trying to replace.
Just a small disaster, made bigger by proximity to a larger disaster. And it’s just the start of tornado warning season!17 -
kshama2001 wrote: »missysippy930 wrote: »
My husband was just lamenting not being able to get a haircut, and he's getting pretty shaggy.
I'm incredibly grateful that I have a job that allows me to work from home and places me ina much better position than so many but the reality I'd these times is tough to deal with sometimes. We're so used to having easy access to so much that it's strange to have to adjust basic things like grocery shopping.
My OH wants me to cut his hair. BAD idea, lol.
Lots of memes about this in https://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10789131/coronavirus-memes/p1
I cut my husband's hair for the first time ever this week. While not the best haircut he's ever had, it wasn't a disaster and we are still married, so I consider that a success. If this goes on for a long time, you might decide to give it a try ;-)9 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
Dummy me left both my homemade mask and hat at home yesterday when I finally ventured out to the grocery store for the first time in two weeks - if it weren’t 20 minutes from home, and needing to get in and out ASAP because kids were home alone, I would have gone back for them. (The hat because my germaphobe mind imagines cooties crawling around in my hair much like lice I guess). I sat in the car and seriously pondered what to do... ended up just taking a deep breath and headed in, strategically holding my breath when I passed people. Probably a feeble attempt at protecting myself but better than nothing (thankfully it wasn’t a madhouse).snowflake954 wrote: »@snowflake954 Lol! The mask is going to be the fashion accessory to have in 2020 and beyond.
Can't you just see the fashion models walking the catwalk next year in masks? We'll all be wearing them.
That is precisely what I pictured....."I'm too sexy for this mask.....too sexy for this mask....so sexy it hurts"
- Right Said Fred
I'm in the middle of my second book about the 1918 flu epidemic, and both talk about people starting to wear masks anytime they went out, and the first had photos of some US city (I forget which) in which everyone is wearing masks.
My sister took her dh shopping the other day, they both wore masks(you're not seeing it much here....yet). Somebody yelled across the aisle at her, telling her she's not supposed to be using them, they're for other people. She's 75 and her dh is 80, has Alzheimer's. Seriously??? And I've offered to stay with him or get food for them countless times. But until Friday, when her dd sent her a couple more masks for extra caregivers to wear, she wouldn't allow me in their home.
If you read the CDC website, they do not recommend wearing masks...they are of little to no value to the general public in coronavirus protection. This is not an airborne virus and masks only really serve as a false sense of security. They are necessary for medical workers as they can obviously not socially distance themselves from their patients and there is more aerosol transfer in a hospital setting.
Sorry, but I can't agree with you. Masks are useful, if not essential. However, there are not enough to go around, so they tell you that you don't need one. After watching the panic buying of TP, you can imagine what would happen with masks. Watch the news coming out of China--everyone has a mask. In Milan, the director of the largest hospital there (which is overwhelmed with serious cases) was asked if masks are necessary. He paused, looked uncomfortable, and then said "I can't answer that question for you". It was so obvious. Lockdown will not be lifted in Italy until the general public has masks, and then we will be required to wear them. It will be interesting to watch the gymnastics of our leaders, who assured us that they aren't necessary. The general public isn't buying it. People out and about are all wearing masks--even if they have to make their own. Look at photos of the Spanish flu epidemic--people are wearing masks.15 -
rheddmobile wrote: »Last night around 8 pm there was a big thunderstorm, and towards the end of it our power went out. Uninterrupted power supply beeping, lights flashed on and off for about thirty seconds before finally giving up the ghost. If you had been at my house you would have heard my husband and me screaming and shouting and calling on the name of Jesus. We JUST finally found meat at the grocery and spent a whole bunch of money so as not to have to go shopping for a while! We sat in darkness for about thirty seconds, then like a miracle, the lights came back on. Heartfelt prayers of thanksgiving.
According to the outage map, most of our neighbors - about 4000 of them - weren’t so lucky. Of those about 400 still don’t have power at 2 pm the next day. Bye bye anything perishable that’s not in a freezer, and that’s starting to be long enough to shorten the life of freezer food. I wonder how many lost a whole load of groceries which they couldn’t afford to buy all at once and will have to risk their lives running all over town trying to replace.
Just a small disaster, made bigger by proximity to a larger disaster. And it’s just the start of tornado warning season!
Up here, we had the rain/thunderstorm, then the tornado sirens were going off as well. Fortunately, we didn't lose power.2 -
For those needing haircuts, super easy if it has some length to it:
https://youtu.be/FAmE16ej9IU
You can probably find tutorials for shorter hair too.4 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
That’s my question... because, I admit quite selfishly, I don’t want to use my pretty fabric if they are just going to be tossedbmeadows380 wrote: »@AnnPT77 my pastor just put out a call saying his wife is asking church members to help her make masks based upon a few patterns she's found online. Are these masks considered disposable, or can they be washed and re-used, or bleached or something? I have a resource for quite a bit of older fabric I was told I could have, though!
ETA: thanks for the added info! I was posting and hubby came in from work so there was a few minutes lag, enough time for others to chime in!
My mother and I were just laughing yesterday about people making fabric masks. We're pretty sure every quilter on the planet of Earth is probably chortling about how this is the time they've been waiting for all their lives--a deep societal need for items made from all the fabric remnants they've been stashing for years!
I know the introverts thought this was their time to shine, but it looks like it's the quilters that are going to save the world!
Being a crafter myself, I feel like the Venn diagram of quilters and introverts has a pretty decent-sized overlap.
There are a bunch of introverts who don't quilt . . . but my experience suggests that quite a fraction of quilters are introverts.
My mother quilted at home alone, but for my grandmother, aunt, and sister, it is at least in part a social pursuit. Of course they work on stuff at home alone, but they also work together on projects with other people, sometimes quilting a single quilt together (what used to be called a quilting bee), other times getting together for classes on new techniques for making blocks, or going on trips together to various quilting destinations, gathering for quilt shows, etc.
Respectfully, I don't think socializing (or not) is the measure of introversion.
I'm extremely very introverted, and I socialize - I'm kind of OK at it, actually, happily talking to strangers, being assertive when needful, have plenty friends of various cognitive styles, all that stuff. Yes, most crafters have gatherings available to them, and they're well-attended. I attend some (local and statewide versions), plus regional/national shows and whatnot for my crafts. That's fun.
In my understanding, and oversimplifying, introversion vs. extroversion is more about mental orientation toward one's own thoughts and perceptions, vs. orientation to external interactions. Still overgeneralizing, introverts tend to spend energy while socializing, while extroverts gain energy while socializng. On that same cartoonish kind of continuum, introverts are more likely to feel contented in solo activity, and extroverts more likely to become bored more rapidly. Most people are at no particular extreme of these, but are on some kind of continuum, sometimes in different spots at different times/situations.
I'm not saying that no extrovert quilts/crafts. They do. But, based on the pretty large number of crafters I know - including quilters, which I have in the past been one of myself - the percentage of introverts is higher in the crafts-hobby world than in the overall population. (Yes, this is not a scientific sample.) This is the case even among the crafters I know who are quite social, i.e., pursue lots of group crafting activities.
Bringing this whole tiresome ramble back to the thread: I'm at home alone, watching local friends through Facebook, phone calls, text messages, etc.
Those more introverted are sometimes very anxious about the virus and what will happen, but otherwise kind of "it's a pain that I don't get to see my friends for crafting except on Skype/Zoom, but at least I have plenty of supplies, so meh". The extroverts are much more clearly under stress from isolation, even those who don't live alone. They're posting things like (real quote) "I miss hugs from everyone. Sorry just feeling so isolated." And that's someone who's more self aware: Some of my friends are obviously working out distress through things like unfocused anger, over-drinking, etc.
I don't understand in my gut how it feels to be an extrovert, but I sympathize with (and am concerned for) my more extroverted friends, in a different way than I'm concerned for my more introverted friends.
Point taken on introvert/extrovert being an internal state. I made my judgment based on what I saw in people seeking out social situations and appearing to genuinely enjoy them, and assuming that was a reflection of genuine desire for social interaction, which to me seems like an odd desire to have on a fairly regular basis (typically the quilters I know have gone to at least one weekly quilt-related social event, on top of other social things in their life) if it's a draining experience. But I don't think most of us know that many people well enough to really know what's going on inside their heads. I don't doubt some of them are faking enjoyment in social situations. I fake it sometimes myself. But I don't usually seek out on a repeating basis situations in which I have to fake enjoyment and disguise the fact that it's a draining experience.
Not to belabor it, but I think that just like I don't really understand what it feels like to be an extrovert, you may not be as attuned to introversion. Obviously, different people feel differently, regardless of where they are on that continuum, so I'm not going to psychoanalyze anyone else.
Speaking for myself: I'm strongly introverted by nature, but I enjoy social situations (not faking), to a certain extent, just as (I suspect) many/most extroverts enjoy being alone sometimes. I do lots of things that take energy, and enjoy them. Socializing is one of those. It's stimulating and fun, but it takes energy. At a certain point, I burn out on it, get overloaded, whatever you want to call it, and need to recharge nonsocially. I go to, and enjoy, local craft group meetings weekly (plus), no faking or disguising anything involved.
But this is off-topic to the thread, other than the observation that, as one of the memes joked, introverts have been "Training for this stay-at-home order their whole lives". (But it's a joke, right? )
You seem to be assuming I'm an extrovert, which just goes to my point about not knowing what's going on inside someone else's head.
Yes, I did, for which I apologize. I really can't understand being an introvert, but believing that (all?) introverts who socialize are doing something they would truly prefer not to do, or are faking social enjoyment. (<= This is a an admission of my limitations when it comes to understanding what's going on inside others' heads, not a critique of you.)
I'm sure there are some people who are far enough along the introversion continuum that they would not enjoy such social interactions at all, of course. By definition, it's less likely that I've met them at craft meetings/conferences. BTW, I'm not saying that my crafter friends are mostly introverts because I infer that; I'm saying it because it's a thing people talk about, and they've said that . . . and are posting about it in social media now, as people talk about impacts of isolation.1 -
Numbers are starting to increase even faster here: IL up to 4596+ (2026 in Chi alone, another 1419 in suburban Cook County), with 65 deaths (16 in Chi and 24 more in suburban Cook). Outside of Chicago metro, the next biggest cluster is the counties near St Louis, but they still have far fewer cases (or perhaps much less testing).4
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As to the introvert and extrovert discussion above, I think I am in the middle. I do draw energy from being around my people (aka friends and groups) but do not enjoy large groups of strangers. I go home and need to be alone to recharge. Dunno what that makes me. But I do know that my family - both kids and spouse are introverts. They do not seem to mind being self-quarantined. I am getting a bit stir crazy and missing my social groups.
I read this book called Quiet that was pretty helpful to understand them. Lots of research in there and very interesting.3 -
I was trying to figure out why they were saying masks weren’t useful, even if not 100% surely they would help at least a little (both keeping your germs in and other peoples out, plus making it near impossible to directly touch your nose and mouth inadvertently or out of habit) but it makes sense now...snowflake954 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
Dummy me left both my homemade mask and hat at home yesterday when I finally ventured out to the grocery store for the first time in two weeks - if it weren’t 20 minutes from home, and needing to get in and out ASAP because kids were home alone, I would have gone back for them. (The hat because my germaphobe mind imagines cooties crawling around in my hair much like lice I guess). I sat in the car and seriously pondered what to do... ended up just taking a deep breath and headed in, strategically holding my breath when I passed people. Probably a feeble attempt at protecting myself but better than nothing (thankfully it wasn’t a madhouse).snowflake954 wrote: »@snowflake954 Lol! The mask is going to be the fashion accessory to have in 2020 and beyond.
Can't you just see the fashion models walking the catwalk next year in masks? We'll all be wearing them.
That is precisely what I pictured....."I'm too sexy for this mask.....too sexy for this mask....so sexy it hurts"
- Right Said Fred
I'm in the middle of my second book about the 1918 flu epidemic, and both talk about people starting to wear masks anytime they went out, and the first had photos of some US city (I forget which) in which everyone is wearing masks.
My sister took her dh shopping the other day, they both wore masks(you're not seeing it much here....yet). Somebody yelled across the aisle at her, telling her she's not supposed to be using them, they're for other people. She's 75 and her dh is 80, has Alzheimer's. Seriously??? And I've offered to stay with him or get food for them countless times. But until Friday, when her dd sent her a couple more masks for extra caregivers to wear, she wouldn't allow me in their home.
If you read the CDC website, they do not recommend wearing masks...they are of little to no value to the general public in coronavirus protection. This is not an airborne virus and masks only really serve as a false sense of security. They are necessary for medical workers as they can obviously not socially distance themselves from their patients and there is more aerosol transfer in a hospital setting.
Sorry, but I can't agree with you. Masks are useful, if not essential. However, there are not enough to go around, so they tell you that you don't need one. After watching the panic buying of TP, you can imagine what would happen with masks. Watch the news coming out of China--everyone has a mask. In Milan, the director of the largest hospital there (which is overwhelmed with serious cases) was asked if masks are necessary. He paused, looked uncomfortable, and then said "I can't answer that question for you". It was so obvious. Lockdown will not be lifted in Italy until the general public has masks, and then we will be required to wear them. It will be interesting to watch the gymnastics of our leaders, who assured us that they aren't necessary. The general public isn't buying it. People out and about are all wearing masks--even if they have to make their own. Look at photos of the Spanish flu epidemic--people are wearing masks.
I read an article on medium.com (no clue about the site, it was via another platform and it made a lot of sense. This is the opening quote that I feel summarizes it decently (the article was far more detailed)
“The official recommendation in the United States (and other Western countries) that the public should not wear face masks was motivated by the need to save respirator masks for health care workers. There is no scientific support for the statement that masks worn by non-professionals are “not effective”. In contrary, in view of the stated goal to “flatten the curve”, any additional, however partial reduction of transmission would be welcome — even by surgical masks or home-made (DIY) masks, which would not exacerbate the supply problem. The latest biological findings on SARS-Cov-2 viral entry into human tissue and cough-droplet ballistics suggest that the major transmission mechanism are not fine aerosols but large droplets, and thus, warrant the wearing of surgical masks by everyone.”
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moonangel12 wrote: »
I was trying to figure out why they were saying masks weren’t useful, even if not 100% surely they would help at least a little (both keeping your germs in and other peoples out, plus making it near impossible to directly touch your nose and mouth inadvertently or out of habit) but it makes sense now...snowflake954 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
Dummy me left both my homemade mask and hat at home yesterday when I finally ventured out to the grocery store for the first time in two weeks - if it weren’t 20 minutes from home, and needing to get in and out ASAP because kids were home alone, I would have gone back for them. (The hat because my germaphobe mind imagines cooties crawling around in my hair much like lice I guess). I sat in the car and seriously pondered what to do... ended up just taking a deep breath and headed in, strategically holding my breath when I passed people. Probably a feeble attempt at protecting myself but better than nothing (thankfully it wasn’t a madhouse).snowflake954 wrote: »@snowflake954 Lol! The mask is going to be the fashion accessory to have in 2020 and beyond.
Can't you just see the fashion models walking the catwalk next year in masks? We'll all be wearing them.
That is precisely what I pictured....."I'm too sexy for this mask.....too sexy for this mask....so sexy it hurts"
- Right Said Fred
I'm in the middle of my second book about the 1918 flu epidemic, and both talk about people starting to wear masks anytime they went out, and the first had photos of some US city (I forget which) in which everyone is wearing masks.
My sister took her dh shopping the other day, they both wore masks(you're not seeing it much here....yet). Somebody yelled across the aisle at her, telling her she's not supposed to be using them, they're for other people. She's 75 and her dh is 80, has Alzheimer's. Seriously??? And I've offered to stay with him or get food for them countless times. But until Friday, when her dd sent her a couple more masks for extra caregivers to wear, she wouldn't allow me in their home.
If you read the CDC website, they do not recommend wearing masks...they are of little to no value to the general public in coronavirus protection. This is not an airborne virus and masks only really serve as a false sense of security. They are necessary for medical workers as they can obviously not socially distance themselves from their patients and there is more aerosol transfer in a hospital setting.
Sorry, but I can't agree with you. Masks are useful, if not essential. However, there are not enough to go around, so they tell you that you don't need one. After watching the panic buying of TP, you can imagine what would happen with masks. Watch the news coming out of China--everyone has a mask. In Milan, the director of the largest hospital there (which is overwhelmed with serious cases) was asked if masks are necessary. He paused, looked uncomfortable, and then said "I can't answer that question for you". It was so obvious. Lockdown will not be lifted in Italy until the general public has masks, and then we will be required to wear them. It will be interesting to watch the gymnastics of our leaders, who assured us that they aren't necessary. The general public isn't buying it. People out and about are all wearing masks--even if they have to make their own. Look at photos of the Spanish flu epidemic--people are wearing masks.
I read an article on medium.com (no clue about the site, it was via another platform and it made a lot of sense. This is the opening quote that I feel summarizes it decently (the article was far more detailed)
“The official recommendation in the United States (and other Western countries) that the public should not wear face masks was motivated by the need to save respirator masks for health care workers. There is no scientific support for the statement that masks worn by non-professionals are “not effective”. In contrary, in view of the stated goal to “flatten the curve”, any additional, however partial reduction of transmission would be welcome — even by surgical masks or home-made (DIY) masks, which would not exacerbate the supply problem. The latest biological findings on SARS-Cov-2 viral entry into human tissue and cough-droplet ballistics suggest that the major transmission mechanism are not fine aerosols but large droplets, and thus, warrant the wearing of surgical masks by everyone.”
Two weeks ago we had a team of Chinese experts arrive to help with COV19 expertise. They were asked to come by the Italian government. They toured all facilities and talked to all our coordinaters here. One of the main points they made was that people are out in public without masks.14 -
snowflake954 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
I was trying to figure out why they were saying masks weren’t useful, even if not 100% surely they would help at least a little (both keeping your germs in and other peoples out, plus making it near impossible to directly touch your nose and mouth inadvertently or out of habit) but it makes sense now...snowflake954 wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
Dummy me left both my homemade mask and hat at home yesterday when I finally ventured out to the grocery store for the first time in two weeks - if it weren’t 20 minutes from home, and needing to get in and out ASAP because kids were home alone, I would have gone back for them. (The hat because my germaphobe mind imagines cooties crawling around in my hair much like lice I guess). I sat in the car and seriously pondered what to do... ended up just taking a deep breath and headed in, strategically holding my breath when I passed people. Probably a feeble attempt at protecting myself but better than nothing (thankfully it wasn’t a madhouse).snowflake954 wrote: »@snowflake954 Lol! The mask is going to be the fashion accessory to have in 2020 and beyond.
Can't you just see the fashion models walking the catwalk next year in masks? We'll all be wearing them.
That is precisely what I pictured....."I'm too sexy for this mask.....too sexy for this mask....so sexy it hurts"
- Right Said Fred
I'm in the middle of my second book about the 1918 flu epidemic, and both talk about people starting to wear masks anytime they went out, and the first had photos of some US city (I forget which) in which everyone is wearing masks.
My sister took her dh shopping the other day, they both wore masks(you're not seeing it much here....yet). Somebody yelled across the aisle at her, telling her she's not supposed to be using them, they're for other people. She's 75 and her dh is 80, has Alzheimer's. Seriously??? And I've offered to stay with him or get food for them countless times. But until Friday, when her dd sent her a couple more masks for extra caregivers to wear, she wouldn't allow me in their home.
If you read the CDC website, they do not recommend wearing masks...they are of little to no value to the general public in coronavirus protection. This is not an airborne virus and masks only really serve as a false sense of security. They are necessary for medical workers as they can obviously not socially distance themselves from their patients and there is more aerosol transfer in a hospital setting.
Sorry, but I can't agree with you. Masks are useful, if not essential. However, there are not enough to go around, so they tell you that you don't need one. After watching the panic buying of TP, you can imagine what would happen with masks. Watch the news coming out of China--everyone has a mask. In Milan, the director of the largest hospital there (which is overwhelmed with serious cases) was asked if masks are necessary. He paused, looked uncomfortable, and then said "I can't answer that question for you". It was so obvious. Lockdown will not be lifted in Italy until the general public has masks, and then we will be required to wear them. It will be interesting to watch the gymnastics of our leaders, who assured us that they aren't necessary. The general public isn't buying it. People out and about are all wearing masks--even if they have to make their own. Look at photos of the Spanish flu epidemic--people are wearing masks.
I read an article on medium.com (no clue about the site, it was via another platform and it made a lot of sense. This is the opening quote that I feel summarizes it decently (the article was far more detailed)
“The official recommendation in the United States (and other Western countries) that the public should not wear face masks was motivated by the need to save respirator masks for health care workers. There is no scientific support for the statement that masks worn by non-professionals are “not effective”. In contrary, in view of the stated goal to “flatten the curve”, any additional, however partial reduction of transmission would be welcome — even by surgical masks or home-made (DIY) masks, which would not exacerbate the supply problem. The latest biological findings on SARS-Cov-2 viral entry into human tissue and cough-droplet ballistics suggest that the major transmission mechanism are not fine aerosols but large droplets, and thus, warrant the wearing of surgical masks by everyone.”
Two weeks ago we had a team of Chinese experts arrive to help with COV19 expertise. They were asked to come by the Italian government. They toured all facilities and talked to all our coordinaters here. One of the main points they made was that people are out in public without masks.
As with test kits, there are not enough to go around. Not surprising that they want them to go to health care professionals that are at more risk. Lying, or are they trying to avoid panic in the general population?
The president has finally pushed the date to April 30th. This is a very serious issue and we all have to try our best to follow guidelines to keep ourselves, and our families well.8 -
In WV, with an active stay-at-home order. My husband took the boys fishing (outdoor activities are OK as long as it is your own household and 6’ from anyone else) and passed a local park and said at least a dozen people were out playing basketball *face palm* then he got to the mostly empty ramp and noticed a group in the distance out fishing and playing together, thought it was nice for a family to be out together... until they separated into 3 separate vehicles when they left... oi! THAT’s why the neighbor kids aren’t allowed over right now, because who knows!
I am not feeling great today, temp has been running low to mid 96, now upper 97. Trying not to overthink, but also be very mindful.20 -
I've been cutting my husband's hair for years, but he likes it super short, so it's easy. I was lucky and got my hair cut just before everything shut down.
We're starting to see cases in my county - 0 to 3 to 5 to 7 to 13 in the past week. The Governor shut us down a bit more than a week ago, so it should flatten out in a week or so, hopefully.
I see walkers and runners all the time lately, which is rather fun since I rarely see any other runners. I think I saw more runners today than I normally see in a month.1 -
I expect other cities are doing something similar (at least I hope they are) but major props to the city of Milwaukee, WI for making sure citizens are able to vote even with the pandemic. Kudos to them. https://jsonline.com/picture-gallery/news/2020/03/28/drive-up-voting-milwaukee-draws-steady-stream-cars/2933272001/3
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It's still been cold enough within New Jersey, that I've been wearing a scarf during the morning. I always wrap it around my face 1st via the middle, even prior to this virus occurring.6
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