Coronavirus prep
Replies
-
You can find KN 95 masks, which the CDC won't approve, though 3M has said they are a very suitable substitute for N95 masks. Most are from China, which I think has a lot to do with it, because many healthcare providers are saying just buy us KN 95 masks, we don't care, get us something. I have an N95 I bought a while back for sanding, but I know an older couple down the street and I was researching options for them. Our one friend, 72, has two compromised older sisters she's very worried about, for good reason.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kenbensinger/coronavirus-kn95-masks-us-wont-import-china
This makes no sense, as we (taxpayers) are paying five times as much for N95 masks as we might pay for KN95 masks. Just read that someone bought the Detroit Police Dept 100K KN95 masks and donated them. They gladly took them and didn't care that the CDC wouldn't approve them.4 -
Tucson's KGUN news wrote about a local nursing home that, though much smaller I think than the Seattle one, has been hit much the same way. I don't believe this will be the last story like this one you hear. All while students this week at the U of A, or U Arizona
, have been having house parties. Other students smartly alerted authorities. We need to fine people huge money to stop the idiocy out there.
https://www.kgun9.com/news/coronavirus/24-residents-3-staff-members-test-positive-for-covid-19-at-tucson-nursing-home8 -
At the governor of Minnesota’s press conference yesterday, he said people should notify local law enforcement of violations like this.MikePfirrman wrote: »Tucson's KGUN news wrote about a local nursing home that, though much smaller I think than the Seattle one, has been hit much the same way. I don't believe this will be the last story like this one you hear. All while students this week at the U of A, or U Arizona, have been having house parties. Other students smartly alerted authorities. We need to fine people huge money to stop the idiocy out there.
https://www.kgun9.com/news/coronavirus/24-residents-3-staff-members-test-positive-for-covid-19-at-tucson-nursing-home
4 -
For all of you US folks who have found that your fascination with exponential curve charts has grown exponentially since February, check this link out. It is from UnivWashington and is one of the data sets that governors are using to plan resources. It provides info by state as well as a national snapshot. https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections
My county has tested fewer than 1% of the population, so clearly the majority of infections are not being tracked. Our public health department has stated that everyone should assume that they have likely been exposed to the virus when they are out where other people are when running essential errands (food shopping, for example). That makes total sense to me and helps me be at peace with the physical distance admonitions that are likely going to be in place for another two months.
In terms of handling groceries, I don't wash packages down but I do wash my hands after handling packages. I wash fresh produce the same way I always have given the prevalence of food-borne illnesses (included fruits that are peeled before eating uncooked).
This is a marathon, not a sprint. My expectation is that there will be periodic episodes of break-outs over the next 18-24 months until a) more people develop immunity and b) vaccines are available, likely also influenced by what sorts of mutations (if any) develop.
7 -
lynn_glenmont wrote: »rheddmobile wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
Dummy me left both my homemade mask and hat at home yesterday when I finally ventured out to the grocery store for the first time in two weeks - if it weren’t 20 minutes from home, and needing to get in and out ASAP because kids were home alone, I would have gone back for them. (The hat because my germaphobe mind imagines cooties crawling around in my hair much like lice I guess). I sat in the car and seriously pondered what to do... ended up just taking a deep breath and headed in, strategically holding my breath when I passed people. Probably a feeble attempt at protecting myself but better than nothing (thankfully it wasn’t a madhouse).snowflake954 wrote: »@snowflake954 Lol! The mask is going to be the fashion accessory to have in 2020 and beyond.
Can't you just see the fashion models walking the catwalk next year in masks? We'll all be wearing them.
That is precisely what I pictured....."I'm too sexy for this mask.....too sexy for this mask....so sexy it hurts"
- Right Said Fred
I'm in the middle of my second book about the 1918 flu epidemic, and both talk about people starting to wear masks anytime they went out, and the first had photos of some US city (I forget which) in which everyone is wearing masks.
My sister took her dh shopping the other day, they both wore masks(you're not seeing it much here....yet). Somebody yelled across the aisle at her, telling her she's not supposed to be using them, they're for other people.
She's 75 and her dh is 80, has Alzheimer's. Seriously??? And I've offered to stay with him or get food for them countless times. But until Friday, when her dd sent her a couple more masks for extra caregivers to wear, she wouldn't allow me in their home.
If you read the CDC website, they do not recommend wearing masks...they are of little to no value to the general public in coronavirus protection. This is not an airborne virus and masks only really serve as a false sense of security. They are necessary for medical workers as they can obviously not socially distance themselves from their patients and there is more aerosol transfer in a hospital setting.
Yeah, the thing is, the CDC is lying about this. There have been several articles in various major news sources about how their messaging changes as the availability of masks changes. In particular the message “a normal person (as you just quoted ‘member of the general public’) couldn’t possibly use a mask properly, only trained medical professionals get any benefit from them.” Yeah, that’s baloney. It’s not that hard, and if they wanted us to know, they would be sharing mask-training videos instead of telling us not to buy masks. It doesn’t help the public confidence when any child can see through what’s being said by the experts.
Masks don’t stop aerosols, and viruses go right through them, but they do stop droplets. There’s no hard data about protection levels, but in Asian countries which commonly use masks, studies have found they make it about 80% less likely to get the seasonal flu. All of the countries which have successfully suppressed Covid-19 have also put their whole populations into masks in public. Masks aren’t perfect but they do help. The question is, who gets them?
Right now there are hospitals which are requiring doctors to wear masks and not allowing nurses to wear them because “they aren’t necessary.” Who spends more time with patients? Clearly the nurse. In terms of exposure the nurse is more exposed. But doctors are presumably regarded as more essential.
I'm way behind in this thread, so I'll probably find it's already been mentioned further down, but the Washington Post has reported thatOfficials at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are considering altering official guidance to encourage people to wear masks in public.
Unfortunately it's just in a bullet list of coronavirus news highlights, with no further info I can find. There's a hyperlink in the paragraph on the CDC, but it's to a story that's nearly two weeks old and not about the masks. Also, just noticed, between the first time I read the paragraph I quoted and came back from looking at the old story they linked to, they deleted a sentence about how encouraging people to wear masks in public would be more in line with official policy in other countries.
I'll put the link here, but no guarantee the entire paragraph won't disappear, I guess.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/03/31/coronavirus-latest-news/
Also way behind. So maybe this has been said already, but even sinple hankerchief masks or something that stops drops (not aerosol) is still better than nothing at all. Every little thing that we can do to slow this down, especially when covering up with a hankerchief causes no harm, should be taken. Lots of little actions can still help, even if that is 1 less person in 20 to get the virus. The only way to contain this is to get the R0 below 1.0 for long enough to die out. So any action to lower the R0 is important.5 -
It is interesting when realizing how close one has become to getting infected because of the long incubation period and learning about spread weeks after it has already happened.
Example: I ran a marathon in Albany, GA on Mar. 7. I didn't take any extra precautions and wasn't really worried at the time. Little did I know that I was running through a hotspot in progress, went to a street fair after the race as well.
Story: Days After a Funeral in a Georgia Town, Coronavirus ‘Hit Like a Bomb’ https://nyti.ms/2WX2F2r7 -
VA governor saw too many people at parks and beaches, so... We have a Stay at Home order until... June 10
One of the widely circulated photos of idiots at the beach was local here in Virginia Beach. I was shopping for essentials yesterday and I think a couple of them that crowded the beach were in the store with me. While the vast majority were aware and using social distancing, two of them in particular needed to be slapped.
Sadly the morons from the populated areas will head to the quieter areas if they don't impose the "Stay at home" order, so just be glad we are stuck with most of them.3 -
I don't recall seeing this yet, my Dad's rebuilding a computer and ordered a part from EBay. Turns out it's from China and it was stopping at the border because of the virus.
On salad, I just finished eating cabbage for lettuce. My stores were out of the bins of spring greens, spinach, and kale plus all the bagged lettuce was gone. I don't eat the bagged stuff aside of spinach or baby kale and I'm guessing since more people are eating at home they want salads with dinner. My cabbage lasted two weeks so I had something left out of running out of Romaine.4 -
On the curve and where the US is and so on, I thought this was useful in thinking about it: https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/look-beneath-the-national-numbers
"Let me note one of the known unknowns we should be thinking about as we roll into the coming brutal weeks. We are looking at national statistics – infections, tests, fatalities, hospitalizations. But these are likely illusory. There really is no national outbreak. There’s a big New York outbreak which still dominates the national statistics and will have its own discrete dynamics. It seems very likely you will have a series of other regional and metropolitan area outbreaks unfolding across the country in the coming weeks. So the national numbers will be misleading. In epidemiological terms the US is more like Europe as a whole, rather than any individual country, especially when states are playing such an outsized role combating the disease because of a significantly distracted federal response....
I’ve seen estimates that the ‘peak’ in the US is likely to come in mid-April. It’s hard for me to make sense of those projections. It’s supposed to come roughly around then in New York. But as you can see for now New York is close to half the current ‘national’ outbreak despite the state making up less than 6% of the US population. If you have anything like what is currently happening in New York happen in large sections of the rest of the country these numbers are likely to be dwarfed by what is to come and the peak of infections and fatalities significantly further out into the future.
Again, known unknowns. One of the reasons it’s hard to make sense of these graphs is that testing is not at all evenly spread around the country. The US is no longer clearly behind most countries in testing. The US is approaching a million tests and has been testing about 100,000 people a day since late last week. But the numbers are very unevenly spread around the country...."3 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »You can find KN 95 masks, which the CDC won't approve, though 3M has said they are a very suitable substitute for N95 masks. Most are from China, which I think has a lot to do with it, because many healthcare providers are saying just buy us KN 95 masks, we don't care, get us something. I have an N95 I bought a while back for sanding, but I know an older couple down the street and I was researching options for them. Our one friend, 72, has two compromised older sisters she's very worried about, for good reason.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/kenbensinger/coronavirus-kn95-masks-us-wont-import-china
This makes no sense, as we (taxpayers) are paying five times as much for N95 masks as we might pay for KN95 masks. Just read that someone bought the Detroit Police Dept 100K KN95 masks and donated them. They gladly took them and didn't care that the CDC wouldn't approve them.
In Europe - Spain I think - they bought Chinese masks and found that they had a huge failure rate. Same with the tests. If only 30% work as they should, there are going to be a lot of sick health care providers.3 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »cwolfman13 wrote: »moonangel12 wrote: »
Dummy me left both my homemade mask and hat at home yesterday when I finally ventured out to the grocery store for the first time in two weeks - if it weren’t 20 minutes from home, and needing to get in and out ASAP because kids were home alone, I would have gone back for them. (The hat because my germaphobe mind imagines cooties crawling around in my hair much like lice I guess). I sat in the car and seriously pondered what to do... ended up just taking a deep breath and headed in, strategically holding my breath when I passed people. Probably a feeble attempt at protecting myself but better than nothing (thankfully it wasn’t a madhouse).snowflake954 wrote: »@snowflake954 Lol! The mask is going to be the fashion accessory to have in 2020 and beyond.
Can't you just see the fashion models walking the catwalk next year in masks? We'll all be wearing them.
That is precisely what I pictured....."I'm too sexy for this mask.....too sexy for this mask....so sexy it hurts"
- Right Said Fred
I'm in the middle of my second book about the 1918 flu epidemic, and both talk about people starting to wear masks anytime they went out, and the first had photos of some US city (I forget which) in which everyone is wearing masks.
My sister took her dh shopping the other day, they both wore masks(you're not seeing it much here....yet). Somebody yelled across the aisle at her, telling her she's not supposed to be using them, they're for other people. She's 75 and her dh is 80, has Alzheimer's. Seriously??? And I've offered to stay with him or get food for them countless times. But until Friday, when her dd sent her a couple more masks for extra caregivers to wear, she wouldn't allow me in their home.
If you read the CDC website, they do not recommend wearing masks...they are of little to no value to the general public in coronavirus protection. This is not an airborne virus and masks only really serve as a false sense of security. They are necessary for medical workers as they can obviously not socially distance themselves from their patients and there is more aerosol transfer in a hospital setting.
I assume that when you say it is not an airborne virus you mean that it is not aerosolized and sinks to surfaces very quickly, but without that explanation, I think saying it is not airbone can be misleading, as people are liable to think that means it can't pass through the air, and that everything they've heard about the dangers of someone coughing or sneezing on them or just being within six feet of them is not true.
I also think that the folks in the store yelling at elderly people (clearly at high risk, and thus not the general population) for taking whatever added precaution they can, even if the protective value is small, were jerks. Sure they should stay home if they possibly can, but to assume anyone you see out in the world has a less valid reason than you do for being there is at least at self-centered as one elderly couple using two masks that are supposed to be "for other people." Why not suggest the elderly couple go back to the car and offer to do the shopping and bring it out to them?
I would think people would know the difference. I'm not remotely a health care professional and I know the difference.
The same populace that can't keep simple carbs and complex carbs straight will clearly understand the difference between "airborne" and "aerosolized".
🤨
I have to think people know the difference between a virus floating around in the air and getting directly sneezed or coughed on...I have to think that or I have to lose all faith in humanity...it's one or the other.11 -
I am honestly disgusted with some people in my community. The grocery store parking lots are littered with disposable gloves, people are just stripping them off and dropping them wherever. There's dog poop on the sidewalks, and cars and trucks zooming down residential streets running stop signs and red lights.
This is a very small city, mostly residential and rural. I don't know what to make of this behavior. There's always littering, irresponsible dog owners and speeders of course, but it's almost like it's become acceptable to abandon socially responsible behavior as long as one is following physical distance rules.26 -
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/31/virologists-to-turn-germany-worst-hit-district-into-coronavirus-laboratory
"German scientists have announced what they described as a first-of-its-kind study into how coronavirus spreads and how it can be contained, using the country’s worst-hit district as a real-life laboratory.
The virus has spread more widely among the 250,000 residents of Heinsberg – a district in North Rhine-Westphalia bordering the Netherlands – than anywhere else in Germany, with 1,281 confirmed infections and 34 deaths. More than 550 people have recovered from the illness so far. The advance of the virus in Heinsberg, nicknamed “Germany’s Wuhan” after the Chinese city where the global pandemic emerged, is between two to two and a half weeks ahead of the rest of the country.
Over the coming weeks the district will be used by leading virologists and a team of 40 medical students as a sort of laboratory for studying the virus. The “Covid-19 case cluster study”, launched on Tuesday morning, will follow 1,000 people who have been chosen because they are representative of the German population as a whole...."
(The rest at the link -- looks like likely to be a really informative study.)10 -
I am honestly disgusted with some people in my community. The grocery store parking lots are littered with disposable gloves, people are just stripping them off and dropping them wherever. There's dog poop on the sidewalks, and cars and trucks zooming down residential streets running stop signs and red lights.
This is a very small city, mostly residential and rural. I don't know what to make of this behavior. There's always littering, irresponsible dog owners and speeders of course, but it's almost like it's become acceptable to abandon socially responsible behavior as long as one is following physical distance rules.
I suspect it has something to do with societal norms being a bit topsy turvy right now. People who would normally feel peer pressure to act in socially acceptable ways are showing their true nature when nobody is there to see and/or they observe others behaving the same way.
I read this article a long time ago and dug it back up, because it seems applicable here:
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/anthropology-in-practice/why-dont-people-return-their-shopping-carts/
I'm a cart-returning rule-follower even when no one is around to see. *I* still know that I didn't return that cart (insert other social situation of your choice), and it eats me up inside.12 -
So is there anywhere that you can get any kind of masks? I'd like to get some for my parents to wear when they go to the grocery store (they refuse to let me shop for them, grrrr). I don't have a sewing machine or I'd try to figure out how to do something from scratch.4
-
Potentially changing information on it being “airborne” or not...
https://www.fox5dc.com/news/coronavirus-could-be-airborne-study-suggests2 -
You might try one of these:So is there anywhere that you can get any kind of masks? I'd like to get some for my parents to wear when they go to the grocery store (they refuse to let me shop for them, grrrr). I don't have a sewing machine or I'd try to figure out how to do something from scratch.
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/how-to-make-face-mask-from-fabric-covid-19-162753601.html1 -
You might try one of these:So is there anywhere that you can get any kind of masks? I'd like to get some for my parents to wear when they go to the grocery store (they refuse to let me shop for them, grrrr). I don't have a sewing machine or I'd try to figure out how to do something from scratch.
https://www.yahoo.com/huffpost/how-to-make-face-mask-from-fabric-covid-19-162753601.html
Thanks!1 -
I wonder if something like this would be of any use? I have one I bought for my hair. It's polyester but definitely big enough to double up and add some sort of filter material between the layers. Of course, at some point you can't breathe...
https://www.amazon.com/Unisex-Original-Multifunctional-Headwear-Graphite/dp/B07BJ3D4PD/1 -
I am honestly disgusted with some people in my community. The grocery store parking lots are littered with disposable gloves, people are just stripping them off and dropping them wherever. There's dog poop on the sidewalks, and cars and trucks zooming down residential streets running stop signs and red lights.
This is a very small city, mostly residential and rural. I don't know what to make of this behavior. There's always littering, irresponsible dog owners and speeders of course, but it's almost like it's become acceptable to abandon socially responsible behavior as long as one is following physical distance rules.
I suspect it has something to do with societal norms being a bit topsy turvy right now. People who would normally feel peer pressure to act in socially acceptable ways are showing their true nature when nobody is there to see and/or they observe others behaving the same way.
I read this article a long time ago and dug it back up, because it seems applicable here:
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/anthropology-in-practice/why-dont-people-return-their-shopping-carts/
I'm a cart-returning rule-follower even when no one is around to see. *I* still know that I didn't return that cart (insert other social situation of your choice), and it eats me up inside.
Thanks for the link - I'm going to sit down and enjoy the read this afternoon 😊
I'm a rule-follower too, and tend to think in terms of how my behavior might adversely affect other people. I think I'm taking some of this community disrespect personally and I really need to let that go. I have enough stress in life right now 🙄12 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »
I assume that when you say it is not an airborne virus you mean that it is not aerosolized and sinks to surfaces very quickly, but without that explanation, I think saying it is not airborne can be misleading, ...
I would think people would know the difference. I'm not remotely a health care professional and I know the difference.
I have an MA in English, and I work adjacent to public safety. Before this pandemic, I was not aware of this distinction between airborne and aerosolized in the context of contagions.
M-W's definition of airborne is
1. done or being in the air : being off the ground: such as
a: carried through the air (as by an aircraft)
b: supported especially by aerodynamic forces or propelled through the air by force
(a plane becoming airborne)
c: transported or carried by the air
(airborne allergens)
Given that, I would simply have assumed aerosolized to be a synonym of airborne. Or, possibly, aerosolization is the process by which something becomes airborne.
I queried a few of my smart friends; they didn't know the difference either.
So I'm going to side with lynn_glenmont and say that this is confusing for many, if not most.
20 -
https://thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/sweden-decides-to-let-coronavirus-play-out-in-country-without-destroying-its-economy-or-future/
Now we have Sweden as our research control. Every study needs a control to yield more meaningful data.5 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/sweden-decides-to-let-coronavirus-play-out-in-country-without-destroying-its-economy-or-future/
Now we have Sweden as our research control. Every study needs a control to yield more meaningful data.
I would like to know if the Swedish people view this with such detached fascination.7 -
Today Connecticut is up to 3,127 (16 days ago we had only 41 known) confirmed cases of coronavirus, and this is still just the beginning. We have been seeing a greater number of New Yorkers heading to their beach homes. You see New York plates everywhere, and I don't think people are grasping that they could be carrying this with them here(or to any other states they are fleeing to). I don't believe everyone is following the two-week isolation request... and there doesnt seem to be any way to enforce it.
New York had been receiving a majority of resources as they have over half of the country's cases. This isn't great news for us here...
"Gov. Ned Lamont had more bad news about inadequate supplies of personal protective equipment (PPE) and ventilators critical for helping dangerously ill coronavirus patients: “The national strategic stockpile is empty,” Lamont said, meaning Connecticut won’t be receiving any more federal equipment."
" Asked what he would say to Connecticut residents frightened by the pandemic’s growth, Lamont said, “I’m a little scared as well.” He said Connecticut is “now the 4th most COVID-infected state in the country per capita” behind New York, New Jersey and Louisiana. "
https://ctmirror.org/2020/03/31/coronavirus-outbreak-hits-state-mental-health-facilities-as-mobile-hospitals-go-up-across-connecticut/
We were one of the later states to develop cases, and are catching up to the others. They expect our state to reach peak between april 11-14th with case numbers expected to double every 3-5days(I think this may be even faster).
There are cases developing in our states prisons and mental hospitals. One of the associates in my store has had a diagnosed case as of Friday, but has been self quarantining since the 11th, the health department believes that it is unlikely that it was spread at the store level due to the amount of time the employee was out. It's definitely overwhelming...
Stay safe everyone!
9 -
GaleHawkins wrote: »https://thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/sweden-decides-to-let-coronavirus-play-out-in-country-without-destroying-its-economy-or-future/
Now we have Sweden as our research control. Every study needs a control to yield more meaningful data.
10% of Swedes are obese. I think 35% of Americans are (I looked it up, might be outdated, but I saw 30%). I don't think it wise what they are doing, but they are a country that, as a whole, is much healthier than we in the US are.5 -
MikePfirrman wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/sweden-decides-to-let-coronavirus-play-out-in-country-without-destroying-its-economy-or-future/
Now we have Sweden as our research control. Every study needs a control to yield more meaningful data.
10% of Swedes are obese. I think 35% of Americans are. I don't think it wise what they are doing, but they are a country that, as a whole, is much healthier than we in the US are.
A true research control would have to be similar in other ways to the experimental group. If the USA or some other country were to do that, the results won't necessarily be like Sweden's. It's just not that simple.6 -
When the next generation review 2020 I am sure they will decide many unwise actions were taken in all nations. Good point about the obesity difference.6
-
MikePfirrman wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/sweden-decides-to-let-coronavirus-play-out-in-country-without-destroying-its-economy-or-future/
Now we have Sweden as our research control. Every study needs a control to yield more meaningful data.
10% of Swedes are obese. I think 35% of Americans are. I don't think it wise what they are doing, but they are a country that, as a whole, is much healthier than we in the US are.
A true research control would have to be similar in other ways to the experimental group. If the USA or some other country were to do that, the results won't necessarily be like Sweden's. It's just not that simple.
More to the point, the article doesn’t say that Swedes aren’t social distancing. It just says that they are doing it voluntarily, without having to be ordered to do so by the government.7 -
snowflake954 wrote: »lynn_glenmont wrote: »Found the full Washington Post story on the CDC considering changing guidance on masks for the general public
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/cdc-considering-recommending-general-public-wear-face-coverings-in-public/2020/03/30/6a3e495c-7280-11ea-87da-77a8136c1a6d_story.html
Read this--thanks for the link. I'm wearing a mask when I go out, and most people in Italy are. The discussion about the mask not protecting you from others, but wearing one will protect people you are in contact with if you are infected, is a no-brainer for me. If everyone wore one then you'd be protecting the rest of the populace. You can be infected and not know it for 2-3 weeks. That's why this virus is so hard to stop.
My mask is homemade. I sterilize it after every use and have a filtering material that I pin in the inner pocket. I throw the filter away after every use.
Another question, I've been told if we just let the mask sit for 3 days after we've used it, it's okay to use it again? I don't go outside the house very often so 3 days between usage is very doable.
My niece is having someone she knows make masks, with a pocket for the filter. If you have to throw the filter out after every use, where do you get more? Probably a dumb question.
And there again, if you just let it sit for 3 days, can you simply reuse it?
Thanks Snowflake. You've been on my mind. Wishing you and your family the very best.
Furnace filters can be used in the inside pockets. you can get it in H. Depot or hardware store.7 -
rheddmobile wrote: »MikePfirrman wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »https://thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/sweden-decides-to-let-coronavirus-play-out-in-country-without-destroying-its-economy-or-future/
Now we have Sweden as our research control. Every study needs a control to yield more meaningful data.
10% of Swedes are obese. I think 35% of Americans are. I don't think it wise what they are doing, but they are a country that, as a whole, is much healthier than we in the US are.
A true research control would have to be similar in other ways to the experimental group. If the USA or some other country were to do that, the results won't necessarily be like Sweden's. It's just not that simple.
More to the point, the article doesn’t say that Swedes aren’t social distancing. It just says that they are doing it voluntarily, without having to be ordered to do so by the government.
I just read an article about Sweden earlier today. It has more details: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/30/catastrophe-sweden-coronavirus-stoicism-lockdown-europe4
Categories
- All Categories
- 1.4M Health, Wellness and Goals
- 393.6K Introduce Yourself
- 43.8K Getting Started
- 260.3K Health and Weight Loss
- 175.9K Food and Nutrition
- 47.5K Recipes
- 232.6K Fitness and Exercise
- 431 Sleep, Mindfulness and Overall Wellness
- 6.5K Goal: Maintaining Weight
- 8.6K Goal: Gaining Weight and Body Building
- 153K Motivation and Support
- 8K Challenges
- 1.3K Debate Club
- 96.3K Chit-Chat
- 2.5K Fun and Games
- 3.8K MyFitnessPal Information
- 24 News and Announcements
- 1.1K Feature Suggestions and Ideas
- 2.6K MyFitnessPal Tech Support Questions